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Title: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Tweeter on November 10, 2017, 09:13:56 am
How about him for an A.D.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on November 10, 2017, 09:16:31 am
I like Hatfield, but I don't think we need a 74 year old man with no AD experience to run the ship.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: old_school_hawg on November 10, 2017, 09:20:11 am
That would be great! Ken Hatfield....I remember him vividly as the coach. He was a winner. And say what you will, we had stingy defenses when he was here. He was able to recruit what people say can't be recruited here...defensive players. That is what it is going to take to return us to respectability. Offense is nice, don't get me wrong, but we will never win anything again without emphasizing defense.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:48:15 pm
No thanks.

He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.

As a fan I have suffered through the consequences of his actions. Donít want him anywhere near the program I care about.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 12:49:45 pm
Shadow is right.

But the main reason now is his age.  Let him enjoy retirement.  We don't have to make an incestuous hire. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: GuvHog on November 10, 2017, 12:52:38 pm
That would be great! Ken Hatfield....I remember him vividly as the coach. He was a winner. And say what you will, we had stingy defenses when he was here. He was able to recruit what people say can't be recruited here...defensive players. That is what it is going to take to return us to respectability. Offense is nice, don't get me wrong, but we will never win anything again without emphasizing defense.

He would be good as the interim AD IMO and he would probably accept that but his age would prevent him from accepting the job full time.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 12:54:43 pm
Tubberville recently said he believes an AD should have come up through the ranks of a football coach so that he understands all of the nuances of running a successful program.  I'm not advocating Tubberville, but I think he makes a valid point and in this case we would hopefully get someone with ties to Arkansas.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ballz2thewall on November 10, 2017, 12:56:23 pm
i'm a bit worn out with piety oozing from the AD's office......

get a solid deal maker that knows some football.........
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:05:31 pm
As much as people here do not like it, the role of AD needs to be filled by someone with a business background, but more importantly for a school as big as the UofA, someone with prior AD experience.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Cotton on November 10, 2017, 01:07:09 pm
PSA: Not every football coach makes a great AD.


That is all.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 01:08:17 pm
As much as people here do not like it, the role of AD needs to be filled by someone with a business background, but more importantly for a school as big as the UofA, someone with prior AD experience.

agree, but also a willingness to learn about the culture of the school they are leading.
traditions mean nothing to long
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: snoblind on November 10, 2017, 01:10:19 pm
No thanks.

He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.

As a fan I have suffered through the consequences of his actions. Don’t want him anywhere near the program I care about.

InB4 the folks who don't know what they are talking about show up to claim JFB got rid of him.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Hog Fan...DOH! on November 10, 2017, 01:11:28 pm
As much as people here do not like it, the role of AD needs to be filled by someone with a business background, but more importantly for a school as big as the UofA, someone with prior AD experience.

But only if they're from Arkansas and if played on either the '64 or '77 team. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: GuvHog on November 10, 2017, 01:12:54 pm
As much as people here do not like it, the role of AD needs to be filled by someone with a business background, but more importantly for a school as big as the UofA, someone with prior AD experience.

That someone also needs to have a sports background and be good at hiring winning head coaches.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: wildhogman on November 10, 2017, 01:15:16 pm
InB4 the folks who don't know what they are talking about show up to claim JFB got rid of him.
JFB didn't get rid of him. But he did make demands of him to change his staff and to open his offense.  Like Nutt he was loyal to his people to a fault. So he mailed it in his last year or two while hunting quietly for a landing place. Which was Clemson.
Ironically, he took over  successful Team and had little success, while the coach he replaced ended up here a few years later and had the same success as Hatfield.  The game had passed both of them by then
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:23:09 pm
JFB didn't get rid of him. But he did make demands of him to change his staff and to open his offense. 


In DIRECT response to fans whining about the offense being boring.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:24:21 pm
That someone also needs to have a sports background and be good at hiring winning head coaches.


Of the current 130 fbs level ad's, which ones have been good at hiring winning football coaches ( we will limit it to football since that seems to be the only sport most care about ).
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: pigasaurus on November 10, 2017, 01:24:41 pm
JFB didn't get rid of him. But he did make demands of him to change his staff and to open his offense.  Like Nutt he was loyal to his people to a fault. So he mailed it in his last year or two while hunting quietly for a landing place. Which was Clemson.
Ironically, he took over  successful Team and had little success, while the coach he replaced ended up here a few years later and had the same success as Hatfield.  The game had passed both of them by then

He was 10-2 his last 2 years. Mailed it in. Jesus.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: NoogaHog on November 10, 2017, 01:28:36 pm
Tubberville recently said he believes an AD should have come up through the ranks of a football coach so that he understands all of the nuances of running a successful program.  I'm not advocating Tubberville, but I think he makes a valid point and in this case we would hopefully get someone with ties to Arkansas.

He said that because he is actively campaigning for an AD job. Auburn possibly.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on November 10, 2017, 01:29:43 pm
Tubberville recently said he believes an AD should have come up through the ranks of a football coach so that he understands all of the nuances of running a successful program.  I'm not advocating Tubberville, but I think he makes a valid point and in this case we would hopefully get someone with ties to Arkansas.

Its for this reason I would want a Switzer or Jimmy Johnson because of their experience as head coach.  BUT, AGE is a big factor and of course with Johnson some fences might need mending not sure with Switzer.  These are examples of course, but something along these lines who are younger and understand Football and the wonderful state of Arkansas and its heritage.  There has to be someone who fits this description out there.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: JLaHawg on November 10, 2017, 01:32:19 pm
He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.

Can somebody elaborate about how Hatfield did this?  I always heard that he was a pretty straightforward guy.  I certainly remember that he basically got fired for running the ball, despite his W/L being solid. Yes, he lost those bowl games and maybe his philosophy was not trendy, but aside from Petrino, which coach has had a trendy/effective offense?  Houston Nutt is the closest thing and that's mostly because of Gus. I there are people who hide in a closet with a dimly lit bulb, still studying the chronicles of Nutt/McFadden/Felix/Donna/Mitch and the Springdale 5/I called that play brutha, etc etc.  Plus Broyles buddied up with Nutt like he was a son or something while he was basically going senile and would not react to how poorly the football team was being managed.  Petrino got busted taking a bike ride with a hottie and got rightfully fired.  Nutt exchanged 16 zillion text messages with his "friend" Donna and they acted like that was business as usual.

What went on between Hatfield and Broyles?  I figure Hatfield was way more solid in the ethics and coaching departments than most of our coaches have ever dreamed of.


1984   Arkansas   12   7   4   1   .625   10.82   2.91            Liberty Bowl-L   
1985   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   13.12   0.79   15   4   12   Holiday Bowl-W   
1986   Arkansas   12   9   3   0   .750   9.48   0.40   19   8   15   Orange Bowl-L   
1987   Arkansas   13   9   4   0   .692   7.87   0.79   12   10      Liberty Bowl-L   
1988   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   10.95   1.37      8   12   Cotton Bowl-L   
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:32:20 pm
He was 10-2 his last 2 years. Mailed it in. Jesus.

IF that is mailing it in please lets get someone else to mail it in.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Fan1958 on November 10, 2017, 01:32:30 pm
JFB didn't get rid of him. But he did make demands of him to change his staff and to open his offense.  Like Nutt he was loyal to his people to a fault. So he mailed it in his last year or two while hunting quietly for a landing place. Which was Clemson.
Ironically, he took over  successful Team and had little success, while the coach he replaced ended up here a few years later and had the same success as Hatfield.  The game had passed both of them by then

Never had a losing season.  Worst was his first at 7-4-1 and was literally inches (Ole Miss) and seconds (Texas) from 9-3. Lost to Auburn and Bo Jackson 21-15 in the Liberty Bowl and had a big lead on TCU in the driving rain but somehow lost by a point.

Was a dropped interception in the end zone at Miami by a future All Pro safety away from playing for the national championship in 88.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 01:33:08 pm
Chuck Dicas a better choice.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: PorkRinds on November 10, 2017, 01:33:17 pm
Tubberville recently said he believes an AD should have come up through the ranks of a football coach so that he understands all of the nuances of running a successful program.  I'm not advocating Tubberville, but I think he makes a valid point and in this case we would hopefully get someone with ties to Arkansas.

Iíd take TT as an AD.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 01:33:17 pm
He said that because he is actively campaigning for an AD job. Auburn possibly.

No doubt he was campaigning but I think his premise was spot on.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 01:34:41 pm
Its for this reason I would want a Switzer or Jimmy Johnson because of their experience as head coach.  BUT, AGE is a big factor and of course with Johnson some fences might need mending not sure with Switzer.  These are examples of course, but something along these lines who are younger and understand Football and the wonderful state of Arkansas and its heritage.  There has to be someone who fits this description out there.

How I would love for Jimmy Johnson to be back involved with Arkansas.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 01:35:01 pm
Tubberville recently said he believes an AD should have come up through the ranks of a football coach so that he understands all of the nuances of running a successful program.  I'm not advocating Tubberville, but I think he makes a valid point and in this case we would hopefully get someone with ties to Arkansas.

Thing is, most HC's would have to take a large pay cut to become an AD. Also, there are about 1000 more headaches as AD, since you have to preside over the entire department.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 01:38:16 pm
Iíd take TT as an AD.

One of the concerns I would have about Tubberville are in the same talk he said we should continue games in L.R.  I think that ship has sailed and especially since WM needs extensive upgrades just to be approved by the SEC.  Also, with the stadium improvements in Fayetteville it would be hard to justify.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 10, 2017, 01:39:38 pm
He was 10-2 his last 2 years. Mailed it in. Jesus.

Didnít recruit. Anhilated the program as it headed toward being a member of the SEC. Left the cupboard bare on purpose.

More to a program than wins and losses.

Good grief!
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 01:42:10 pm
bring back chuck
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 10, 2017, 01:49:40 pm
Can somebody elaborate about how Hatfield did this?  I always heard that he was a pretty straightforward guy.  I certainly remember that he basically got fired for running the ball, despite his W/L being solid. Yes, he lost those bowl games and maybe his philosophy was not trendy, but aside from Petrino, which coach has had a trendy/effective offense?  Houston Nutt is the closest thing and that's mostly because of Gus. I there are people who hide in a closet with a dimly lit bulb, still studying the chronicles of Nutt/McFadden/Felix/Donna/Mitch and the Springdale 5/I called that play brutha, etc etc.  Plus Broyles buddied up with Nutt like he was a son or something while he was basically going senile and would not react to how poorly the football team was being managed.  Petrino got busted taking a bike ride with a hottie and got rightfully fired.  Nutt exchanged 16 zillion text messages with his "friend" Donna and they acted like that was business as usual.

What went on between Hatfield and Broyles?  I figure Hatfield was way more solid in the ethics and coaching departments than most of our coaches have ever dreamed of.


1984   Arkansas   12   7   4   1   .625   10.82   2.91            Liberty Bowl-L   
1985   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   13.12   0.79   15   4   12   Holiday Bowl-W   
1986   Arkansas   12   9   3   0   .750   9.48   0.40   19   8   15   Orange Bowl-L   
1987   Arkansas   13   9   4   0   .692   7.87   0.79   12   10      Liberty Bowl-L   
1988   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   10.95   1.37      8   12   Cotton Bowl-L

He knew he wanted out the last 2 seasons he was here. He pouted because Broyles asked him to revamp his system which required him to revamp his staff.

As a spite to Broyles, Hatfield mailed it in on the recruiting trail on purpose because he knew he wouldnít be here when the fruits of his negligence came around.

He did this knowing how much the Hogs mean to the state. He did t knowing we were headed to the SEC.

Completely selfish, total dicke move. Our program has never fully recovered from it.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 01:53:49 pm
Can somebody elaborate about how Hatfield did this?  I always heard that he was a pretty straightforward guy.  I certainly remember that he basically got fired for running the ball, despite his W/L being solid. Yes, he lost those bowl games and maybe his philosophy was not trendy, but aside from Petrino, which coach has had a trendy/effective offense?  Houston Nutt is the closest thing and that's mostly because of Gus. I there are people who hide in a closet with a dimly lit bulb, still studying the chronicles of Nutt/McFadden/Felix/Donna/Mitch and the Springdale 5/I called that play brutha, etc etc.  Plus Broyles buddied up with Nutt like he was a son or something while he was basically going senile and would not react to how poorly the football team was being managed.  Petrino got busted taking a bike ride with a hottie and got rightfully fired.  Nutt exchanged 16 zillion text messages with his "friend" Donna and they acted like that was business as usual.

What went on between Hatfield and Broyles?  I figure Hatfield was way more solid in the ethics and coaching departments than most of our coaches have ever dreamed of.


1984   Arkansas   12   7   4   1   .625   10.82   2.91            Liberty Bowl-L   
1985   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   13.12   0.79   15   4   12   Holiday Bowl-W   
1986   Arkansas   12   9   3   0   .750   9.48   0.40   19   8   15   Orange Bowl-L   
1987   Arkansas   13   9   4   0   .692   7.87   0.79   12   10      Liberty Bowl-L   
1988   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   10.95   1.37      8   12   Cotton Bowl-L

He didn't get fired.

1987 v Texas in WMS is what started it.  Fred Goldsmith DC believed in a passive defense with soft zone coverages.  Texas scored on the last play and Broyles wanted Hatfield to change his defensive staff.  Hatfield was loyal and refused.  Feud on.  The 88 and 89 teams were already on campus.  Hatfield's scorched earth showed up big time in 1990 especially on the defensive side.  Took us a decade to recover. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Seebs on November 10, 2017, 01:54:29 pm
Hatfield is deeeeeeelicious
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: EastArkHog 47 on November 10, 2017, 02:16:40 pm
Chuck Dicus would probably be a good AD and so would Terry Don Phillips if only short term to get the ship righted.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Gonzo on November 10, 2017, 02:23:07 pm
He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.


He had the highest winning percentage of any Hog coach and finished with back to back 10 win seasons. Not sure how you meant that so I won't say you're wrong but that's a pretty interesting take on his tenure.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Hogman2 on November 10, 2017, 02:27:20 pm
Ken has a degree in accounting and could do well as INTERIM AD!
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on November 10, 2017, 02:29:32 pm
He had the highest winning percentage of any Hog coach and finished with back to back 10 win seasons. Not sure how you meant that so I won't say you're wrong but that's a pretty interesting take on his tenure.


Go Hogs!

Situation and context not strengths of our fan base's thought process. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on November 10, 2017, 02:31:11 pm
But only if they're from Arkansas and if played on either the '64 or '77 team. 

Or '09. We were undefeated in '09. And obviously age is not an issue in this thread.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 02:33:14 pm
agree, but also a willingness to learn about the culture of the school they are leading.
traditions mean nothing to long

I don't know what traditions that Long has not held to.  There may be some , but I don't know what they are.
 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: snoblind on November 10, 2017, 02:34:28 pm
He knew he wanted out the last 2 seasons he was here. He pouted because Broyles asked him to revamp his system which required him to revamp his staff.

As a spite to Broyles, Hatfield mailed it in on the recruiting trail on purpose because he knew he wouldn't be here when the fruits of his negligence came around.

He did this knowing how much the Hogs mean to the state. He did t knowing we were headed to the SEC.

Completely selfish, total dicke move. Our program has never fully recovered from it.

You left out the part where he left his new contract on his desk (which he had indicated he would sign) when he left to take the Clemson job (campus unseen, etc.).  And that he left a week or 2 before national signing day with the intention of torpedoing the class.  Frank literally pulled Jack Crowe off the plane heading to South Carolina in an attempt to save the class.

What has always puzzled me is the 2 things that folks want to crucify Broyles for when it comes to Hatfield, discussing/recommending direction of job/focus and personnel/staffing, has been part of every job I've or my friends/acquaintances have ever had when having direct reports and reporting to a boss.

The irony is it appears that Alvarez exercised far greater supervision over BB.  We have learned the hard way how well he does without it.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 02:35:04 pm
Ken has a degree in accounting and could do well as INTERIM AD!

My mother in Law has a degree in accounting.  She isn't qualified to run a hundred million dollar a year business and neither is Coach Hatfield even on an interim basis.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: jjsam on November 10, 2017, 02:35:29 pm
Bring Chuck Dicus back....he was all American & love the Hogs....bring back Gary Blair....bring back Ken Hatfield.... Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson , Barry Switzer should be on the selection committee to hire a new coach!!  WPS!
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: wildhogman on November 10, 2017, 02:55:30 pm
He was 10-2 his last 2 years. Mailed it in. Jesus.
There is aot more to keeping the program on the right track then this years record.For example I give you one CBB. Thinke 2014 and 2015 were good indicators where we would be today at the time?
He didn't recruit well during those last two years thus the teams crowe inherited.
I hated his boring offense but man I loved the winning. But truth is, he never beat anyone he wasn't supposed to. Never rose above and beyond.  "and jesus wept".  Had texas on the ropes and couldn't finish the job. And that was the response. 
A good Cristian man. a decent HC.  But his last act here hurt the program.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: greenie on November 10, 2017, 02:59:37 pm
I'm just curious, who would the folks on Hogville consider to be an example of a successful AD?  Who has the traits and a record of performance that should be used as a basis for comparison when evaluating candidates?  I'm not in the camp that thinks that someone without real AD experience should be hired to replace Long.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Cotton on November 10, 2017, 03:06:33 pm
I'm just curious, who would the folks on Hogville consider to be an example of a successful AD?  Who has the traits and a record of performance that should be used as a basis for comparison when evaluating candidates?  I'm not in the camp that thinks that someone without real AD experience should be hired to replace Long.
Most folks on here couldn't name 2 other ADs in the SEC or the country for that matter. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on November 10, 2017, 03:16:58 pm
Bring in the "Big Tuna" Bill Parcells.   No expierence as a AD and pretty dang old.    Everyone would be scared out of their minds.   lol
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hogsanity on November 10, 2017, 03:22:09 pm
I'm just curious, who would the folks on Hogville consider to be an example of a successful AD?  Who has the traits and a record of performance that should be used as a basis for comparison when evaluating candidates?  I'm not in the camp that thinks that someone without real AD experience should be hired to replace Long.

I asked that eariler in this thread and got nothing, nadda, zip, zilch in response
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: soso on November 10, 2017, 03:26:08 pm
No thanks.

He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.

As a fan I have suffered through the consequences of his actions. Donít want him anywhere near the program I care about.

Not to mention he wasn't very smart 30 years ago much less now. Plus he would be a constant reminder of the pain that we could have had Jimmy Johnson as a coach.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Athog on November 10, 2017, 03:28:10 pm
How about him for an A.D.
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Ken Hatfield is a great man! He has way to much integrity and sense to want that job!! (Especially at 74 years old).
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 03:29:48 pm
think hes too busy doing commercials for harps anyway
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: hassettsportsman on November 10, 2017, 03:44:18 pm
Let's face it...Arkansas is a unique fit...very unique.  Thus, it would work best with some sort of Arkansas fit, former Hog great, former Hog coach.  I think Bill Montgomery...and his golf game is solid...even at the Alotian.  I spoke to Coach Hatfield in an elevator in LR....after the game...I told him 'it would have been great to have you on the sideline tonight'.....he said 'I would have enjoyed that'.  Montgomery or Hatfield...2 good Arkansas choices both with plenty of love for the U of A. 
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Mr. Porkleone on November 10, 2017, 03:47:12 pm
No thanks.

He intentionally torpedoed the program to spite Broyles with zero regard that it would also hurt the average Hog fan.

As a fan I have suffered through the consequences of his actions. Donít want him anywhere near the program I care about.

Are you serious.


55-17-1
2 straight SWC titles
36-10 SWC record

Thatís hardly torpedoing the program

Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: PorkRinds on November 10, 2017, 03:49:29 pm
One of the concerns I would have about Tubberville are in the same talk he said we should continue games in L.R.  I think that ship has sailed and especially since WM needs extensive upgrades just to be approved by the SEC.  Also, with the stadium improvements in Fayetteville it would be hard to justify.
Thatís true too. I had forgotten that he said that.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ballz2thewall on November 10, 2017, 04:00:19 pm
Can somebody elaborate about how Hatfield did this?  I always heard that he was a pretty straightforward guy.  I certainly remember that he basically got fired for running the ball, despite his W/L being solid. Yes, he lost those bowl games and maybe his philosophy was not trendy, but aside from Petrino, which coach has had a trendy/effective offense?  Houston Nutt is the closest thing and that's mostly because of Gus. I there are people who hide in a closet with a dimly lit bulb, still studying the chronicles of Nutt/McFadden/Felix/Donna/Mitch and the Springdale 5/I called that play brutha, etc etc.  Plus Broyles buddied up with Nutt like he was a son or something while he was basically going senile and would not react to how poorly the football team was being managed.  Petrino got busted taking a bike ride with a hottie and got rightfully fired.  Nutt exchanged 16 zillion text messages with his "friend" Donna and they acted like that was business as usual.

What went on between Hatfield and Broyles?  I figure Hatfield was way more solid in the ethics and coaching departments than most of our coaches have ever dreamed of.


1984   Arkansas   12   7   4   1   .625   10.82   2.91            Liberty Bowl-L   
1985   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   13.12   0.79   15   4   12   Holiday Bowl-W   
1986   Arkansas   12   9   3   0   .750   9.48   0.40   19   8   15   Orange Bowl-L   
1987   Arkansas   13   9   4   0   .692   7.87   0.79   12   10      Liberty Bowl-L   
1988   Arkansas   12   10   2   0   .833   10.95   1.37      8   12   Cotton Bowl-L

a large part of it was personality. broyles was catching some fire for kenny preaching on tv, constantly. he'd ask kenny to tone it down [and broyles was a heavy methodist], and kenny wouldn't do it. broyles was catching heat because hatfield would not throw the ball, even when we had beer drinkers that could catch a hot greased anvil [shiebest].

kenny did not have a lot of former teammates that were friends, so his base was thin.

broyles knew that the offense needed to be modernized somewhat; kenny resisted.

but in the end, it was a long personality battles that toppled the cart.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: greenie on November 10, 2017, 04:00:37 pm
I asked that eariler in this thread and got nothing, nadda, zip, zilch in response

Sorry I missed your post.  I think that this is an interesting question, especially if you take a little time to research current AD's around the P5 programs and look at their hiring records.  One thing that is painfully obvious: hiring coaches is very hard.  As stated over and over, hiring (in any field, really) is a roll of the dice.  Few, if any, seem to be really good at it.
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: Hoggish1 on November 10, 2017, 04:01:03 pm
As much as people here do not like it, the role of AD needs to be filled by someone with a business background, but more importantly for a school as big as the UofA, someone with prior AD experience.

That's not necessary with all the legal council at the AD's disposal.  I'd take someone with clear expertise in football and experience.  I think that might be a former player, who has retired and has AD experience who might fill in on an interim basis.  Hummm...
Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: ballz2thewall on November 10, 2017, 04:01:46 pm
Let's face it...Arkansas is a unique fit...very unique.  Thus, it would work best with some sort of Arkansas fit, former Hog great, former Hog coach.  I think Bill Montgomery...and his golf game is solid...even at the Alotian.  I spoke to Coach Hatfield in an elevator in LR....after the game...I told him 'it would have been great to have you on the sideline tonight'.....he said 'I would have enjoyed that'.  Montgomery or Hatfield...2 good Arkansas choices both with plenty of love for the U of A.

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Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: phadedhawg on November 10, 2017, 04:03:19 pm
Hatfield was a great coach for Arkansas and did great things for us but that was a very long time ago.  Let him do his radio spots during Razorback broadcasts and leave the man in peace. 

Title: Re: Ken Hatfield
Post by: elviscat on November 10, 2017, 07:21:37 pm
How about Tom Bowen at the University of Memphis. He is the one who hired Justin Fuente and Mike Norvell, that would give us a football guy at AD and someone who knows how to hire coaches.