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Title: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: snoot hoggy hog on November 08, 2017, 04:02:46 am
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: EastArkHog 47 on November 08, 2017, 04:13:02 am
No
Yes
Yes
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Hogcore on November 08, 2017, 04:14:32 am
I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: harrisburghog on November 08, 2017, 04:41:54 am
I’d take him back in a heartbeat!!!!!!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: code red on November 08, 2017, 04:51:01 am
But but but what about his recruiting lol.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Mike_e on November 08, 2017, 04:57:42 am
That boat sailed, sunk and is now an attraction down in Orlando.

Johnny Depp he ain't.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Porkchop#1 on November 08, 2017, 05:47:26 am
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?

1.  Too proud to recognize or admit we crapped in our nest by a Long shot.
2.  For sure
3.  No doubt

But really, at this point, it's probably best to just move on.  Still stunned 6 years down the road though at the lack of vision shown by our PTB's. 

Top 5 to bottom 5....hate that for the team and our fans.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: M L (bassplayer) on November 08, 2017, 06:46:06 am
1.  we crapped in our nest

No, he crapped in his nest.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: clew on November 08, 2017, 06:58:23 am
I loved watching the Hogs when he was captain of the boat, but this is stoopid.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hotdog hog on November 08, 2017, 07:05:58 am
The guy we should bring back won the West 3 times, gave us Matt Jones, Dmac, and all those other studs. Beat National Champion LSU at home, beat the teams he was supposed to beat. And even in his worst years, was competitive. My favorite years as a Hog fan! So before you haters blow me up, he loves that Helmet! Lmao
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: jgphillips3 on November 08, 2017, 07:12:28 am
No.  We shouldn’t have fired him, but neither should we bring him back.  We need the “next” guy.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Hog-Corleone on November 08, 2017, 07:26:28 am
Long will never bring him back.  Only way is with a new AD.  It’s more likely our next coach will be facing him at another SEC school real soon.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Pork Twain on November 08, 2017, 07:27:47 am
I am sure Louisville would appreciate it.  I only want Bobby back if we can ensure he has an amazing in-state group his first year here.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hoglady on November 08, 2017, 07:30:21 am
We need a fresh start.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Athog on November 08, 2017, 07:30:53 am
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?

Someone needing to stir up the small mass on Hogville. He is not ever coming back. Also he has just won one more game than Arkansas this year! Louisville is 5-4. So if we are going to change let us reach higher!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: East Clintwood on November 08, 2017, 07:35:12 am
No.

He shouldn't have been fired but that time has passed.  Too many fans still blame the whole mess on BP and will not ever forgive him for it.  There's no reason to try to start another head coach off with so many of the fans already against him.

Same reason Gus shouldn't be considered either.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on November 08, 2017, 07:43:27 am
No
Yes
Frito Pie
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: cjack on November 08, 2017, 07:51:11 am
No.

He shouldn't have been fired but that time has passed.  Too many fans still blame the whole mess on BP and will not ever forgive him for it.  There's no reason to try to start another head coach off with so many of the fans already against him.

Same reason Gus shouldn't be considered either.

My thoughts also
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on November 08, 2017, 07:57:34 am
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?

No!
No!
No!

Ain't happening on any level except that part of my brain that still yearns for the best offensive coach Arkansas has ever had.  Those answers may surprise folks who remember my many post on Hogville but at the end of the day I'm a realist and I know that ship sailed off into the sunset as I was settin on the dock of the bay hating Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: MJ2 on November 08, 2017, 08:14:04 am
Gotta move forward.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Cotton on November 08, 2017, 08:21:26 am
1.  Too proud to recognize or admit we crapped in our nest by a Long shot.
No, he crapped in his nest.
Actually he got caught crapping outside his nest. 
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Razorbackers on November 08, 2017, 08:23:21 am
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?

Nope
Nope
Hell nope
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hogsanity on November 08, 2017, 08:28:06 am
Why would we want a guy who is 5-7 in is last 12 games with the reigning Heisman winner at QB and who's team is giving up over 30ppg ( not quite but almost as bad as the Hogs D ).
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Gonzo on November 08, 2017, 08:29:52 am
The guy we should bring back won the West 3 times, gave us Matt Jones, Dmac, and all those other studs. Beat National Champion LSU at home, beat the teams he was supposed to beat. And even in his worst years, was competitive. My favorite years as a Hog fan! So before you haters blow me up, he loves that Helmet! Lmao

If only he didn't love himself more. I will always wonder how good he could have been if he hadn't let his ego and insecurity get in his way.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Gonzo on November 08, 2017, 08:33:39 am
No.  We shouldn’t have fired him, but neither should we bring him back.  We need the “next” guy.
No.

He shouldn't have been fired but that time has passed.  Too many fans still blame the whole mess on BP and will not ever forgive him for it.  There's no reason to try to start another head coach off with so many of the fans already against him.

Same reason Gus shouldn't be considered either.


I concur. That time was fun, but it is gone. Too much divisiveness to be workable.

Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hoghearted on November 08, 2017, 08:36:12 am
We need a fresh start.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: TM Hog on November 08, 2017, 08:37:34 am
There is absolutely 0% chance of that happening.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Kneph13 on November 08, 2017, 08:38:39 am
We do need a fresh start.  Organic and Fresh.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: nationwish on November 08, 2017, 08:42:41 am
The thing that bothers me are the people who say that he shouldn't have been fired in the first place. He would have been fired from any major corporation if that became public knowledge. Probably every major college would have fired him as well, with very minimal exceptions. Keeping the leader of the organization after something like that happens destroys any credibility you have, and everyone feels like everything goes. The people ranting that we should fire the AD for making that decision have done nothing but continue to divide the fan base and harm the program. We get it. He had a good two years, but he is the only person to blame for being fired.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Gonzo on November 08, 2017, 09:29:24 am
The thing that bothers me are the people who say that he shouldn't have been fired in the first place. He would have been fired from any major corporation if that became public knowledge. Probably every major college would have fired him as well, with very minimal exceptions. Keeping the leader of the organization after something like that happens destroys any credibility you have, and everyone feels like everything goes. The people ranting that we should fire the AD for making that decision have done nothing but continue to divide the fan base and harm the program. We get it. He had a good two years, but he is the only person to blame for being fired.

Just days before this incident transpired, in a more publicized story, Sean Payton was suspended for a year without pay for bountygate. which he both knew about and about which he lied to the NFL, in essence his boss. So much for every company/team would react the same way.

Firing BP was absolutely a reasonable option. However, it wasn't the only reasonable option.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: texas tush hog on November 08, 2017, 10:05:17 am
We do need a fresh start.  Organic and Fresh.


There is only one name that needs to be considered, Mike Norvelle. Until he says no,there needs to be no further discussion on the matter. The next Frank Broyles, and maybe even the next Bear Bryant. Jeffie can redeem his legacy forever with this one hire, as much as I hate to say it. Would no longer be a yankee carpetbagger, and could go from the outhouse to the penthouse with one fell swoop.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hogsanity on November 08, 2017, 10:09:31 am

There is only one name that needs to be considered, Mike Norvelle. Until he says no,there needs to be no further discussion on the matter. The next Frank Broyles, and maybe even the next Bear Bryant. Jeffie can redeem his legacy forever with this one hire, as much as I hate to say it. Would no longer be a yankee carpetbagger, and could go from the outhouse to the penthouse with one fell swoop.

Or he could be the next Butch Jones.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: GuvHog on November 08, 2017, 10:13:47 am
Actually I do believe bring Bobby back is a possibility but only if the U of A's top choices say no.

To put it bluntly: If it came down to either Bobby or Gus, I'd take Bobby in a heartbeat. Why? Because in 3 out of Bobby's 4 years at Arkansas, the Hogs beat the team Gus was with.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: forrest city joe on November 08, 2017, 10:15:01 am
We need a fresh start.
Yep. i was one of Bobby's biggest fans.but that part of Razorback football is history. need a fresh start with new people.from the A.D. on down.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: tusked on November 08, 2017, 10:18:21 am

29-10, the best 3 year stretch for the Hogs since joining the SEC.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hogsanity on November 08, 2017, 10:20:32 am
Actually I do believe bring Bobby back is a possibility but only if the U of A's top choices say no.

To put it bluntly: If it came down to either Bobby or Gus, I'd take Bobby in a heartbeat. Why? Because in 3 out of Bobby's 4 years at Arkansas, the Hogs beat the team Gus was with.

So you want a guy who is SEVENTH in the ACC, with the reiging Heisman winner at QB, to come back here?
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: GuvHog on November 08, 2017, 10:21:02 am
29-10, the best 3 year stretch for the Hogs since joining the SEC.

That's extremely hard to ague with but yet some on here will.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: GuvHog on November 08, 2017, 10:23:36 am
So you want a guy who is SEVENTH in the ACC, with the reiging Heisman winner at QB, to come back here?

Yep, I'd take him back if the top targets said no because of what he accomplished here. I couldn't care less what he's done at Louisville.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: tusked on November 08, 2017, 10:31:27 am

So you know BP is having a rough season with the Heisman winner.  I find this fricking hilarious because you know, the hogs have had so many Heisman winners.

I mean there going to have to make space in the new museum for all the Heisman trophies
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: texas tush hog on November 08, 2017, 10:40:02 am
Or he could be the next Butch Jones.



Not hardly.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: GuvHog on November 08, 2017, 10:44:42 am

There is only one name that needs to be considered, Mike Norvelle. Until he says no,there needs to be no further discussion on the matter. The next Frank Broyles, and maybe even the next Bear Bryant. Jeffie can redeem his legacy forever with this one hire, as much as I hate to say it. Would no longer be a yankee carpetbagger, and could go from the outhouse to the penthouse with one fell swoop.

Norvell is a very good coach and would be a very good hire but concentrating on one coach is what got LSU stuck with Orgeron. It's best to have multiple options in case their top choice says no.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: HoggyCat on November 08, 2017, 12:40:07 pm
He's washed up. Used to be he couldn't win the big one. Now he can't the mediocre matchups.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hotdog hog on November 08, 2017, 05:10:18 pm
If only he didn't love himself more. I will always wonder how good he could have been if he hadn't let his ego and insecurity get in his way.


Go Hogs!
The one thing I did like about Houston Dale, he was a players coach that won. CBB is a players coach, but seems to have problems coaching period. I liked Ken Hatfield too. Still very approachable. Friends with a couple of guys that played for HDN and they can get you fired up with the stories about how Houston could make you believe they were going to win a ballgame. They loved the guy.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on November 08, 2017, 05:11:33 pm
However one feels about the whole issue and the specific questions, like the discussion of bringing back Nutt the whole thing is totally irrelevant 'cause it AIN'T gonna happen.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: JOKERHOG on November 08, 2017, 05:11:57 pm
No
Yes
Yes

Agreed
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Lady Razorback on November 08, 2017, 05:21:01 pm
It's been hard for me to get over this break up but I finally have.  Don't go bringing up his name now.  I think Norvell is a younger, better version.  Do NOT go crushing my hopes on this one.  Please.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: HogPharmer on November 08, 2017, 05:40:22 pm
It's been hard for me to get over this break up but I finally have.  Don't go bringing up his name now.  I think Norvell is a younger, better version.  Do NOT go crushing my hopes on this one.  Please.

Don't worry, nobody on here will crush your hopes on Norvell. Jeff Long will do it.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: rude1 on November 08, 2017, 05:57:04 pm
No way to undo what was done. If you were going to keep him, then you should have kept him then, even if it meant letting the AD go.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: farmhawg on November 08, 2017, 06:27:19 pm
Stupid thread.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: tusked on November 08, 2017, 06:31:49 pm
Stupid thread.

Insightful post.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Pork Twain on November 08, 2017, 11:40:02 pm
29-10, the best 3 year stretch for the Hogs since joining the SEC.
I forgot BP was just here for three years.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Next1_04 on November 09, 2017, 09:09:40 am
Why would we want a guy who is 5-7 in is last 12 games with the reigning Heisman winner at QB and who's team is giving up over 30ppg ( not quite but almost as bad as the Hogs D ).

Logic isn't welcome here. You know this.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: nationwish on November 09, 2017, 12:46:47 pm
Just days before this incident transpired, in a more publicized story, Sean Payton was suspended for a year without pay for bountygate. which he both knew about and about which he lied to the NFL, in essence his boss. So much for every company/team would react the same way.

Firing BP was absolutely a reasonable option. However, it wasn't the only reasonable option.


Go Hogs!

And that isn't an apples to apples comparison. There were people on national TV, mostly old-school guys, saying they dind't have a big problem with the bounty situation and that there was no evidence it led to dirty hits. It obviously wasn't a good idea and the NFL had to do something that gets those kinds of things out of their game.

Having said that, that program did not destroy the organization's culture. It did nothing to tell its employees that they'd be judged on things other than their merits. It was completely limited to the staff's philosophy about what was acceptable behavior on the field. What Petrino did went way beyond that, and yes, he would have been fired from the Saints under those circumstances. It is this kind of behavior that is likely the reason Petrino only ever has short-term success that fades after a few years, and why it is such a major rebuild any time he leaves. He is a program-destroyer. We've seen it with all of his recent jobs, and we are already seeing Louisville start to fall off again. He deserved to be fired, and to say he shouldn't have been is just not reasonable.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: GoHogs1091 on November 09, 2017, 01:45:17 pm
Would Arkansas consider bringing back Bobby P?
Could Arkansas bring back Bobby P?
Should Arkansas bring back BobbyP?

Nope.  Robert Petrino can't even get the job done while even having a Heisman winning QB.

Also, if Robert returned, it would be the continuation of garbage defense that we have now with Bielema.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: hawgball40 on November 09, 2017, 03:45:33 pm
I forgot BP was just here for three years.
You're being facetious right? He was 5-7 that first year but after that we were alot better. hell in 2009 we should have knocked off number 1 florida for our first ever road win in gainesville but the refs bailed out the gators to keep them alive for the natty. overall he was 34-17 here. pretty respectable imo.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Gonzo on November 09, 2017, 03:53:38 pm
And that isn't an apples to apples comparison. There were people on national TV, mostly old-school guys, saying they dind't have a big problem with the bounty situation and that there was no evidence it led to dirty hits. It obviously wasn't a good idea and the NFL had to do something that gets those kinds of things out of their game.

Having said that, that program did not destroy the organization's culture. It did nothing to tell its employees that they'd be judged on things other than their merits. It was completely limited to the staff's philosophy about what was acceptable behavior on the field. What Petrino did went way beyond that, and yes, he would have been fired from the Saints under those circumstances. It is this kind of behavior that is likely the reason Petrino only ever has short-term success that fades after a few years, and why it is such a major rebuild any time he leaves. He is a program-destroyer. We've seen it with all of his recent jobs, and we are already seeing Louisville start to fall off again. He deserved to be fired, and to say he shouldn't have been is just not reasonable.

It is most certainly and apples to apples comparison. Just because you don't for the notion it refutes your claim that every organization would have reacted the same way doesn't make it invalid. Once again, the decision that was made was a reasonable option. However, I laugh my ass off in almost any discussion where absolutists try to portray their answer as the only rational position.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: nationwish on November 10, 2017, 09:54:08 am
It is most certainly and apples to apples comparison. Just because you don't for the notion it refutes your claim that every organization would have reacted the same way doesn't make it invalid. Once again, the decision that was made was a reasonable option. However, I laugh my ass off in almost any discussion where absolutists try to portray their answer as the only rational position.


Go Hogs!

One dealt with on the field issues. The other dealt with personnel decisions for staff. I'm sorry that you can't see that. Everyone in that position would have fired him once that was public knowledge. Even Alabama and Auburn. Even the Saints under those circumstances. Notice I said everyone in that position. Not fanatics who derive self worth from a sports team.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: nationwish on November 10, 2017, 11:09:58 am
Furthermore, we were hearing often how other teams were recruiting negatively against Arkansas on how Petrino was not the man they'd want setting an example for their kids. Imagine how much that would have escalated if he was retained. And that's not something NFL coaches have to deal with.

You also don't see coaches suspended for a season in college for the same reason. Coaching staffs are limited by NCAA rules. Suspending a coach for a season and forcing another coach to take over those duties takes him away from his primary duties of coaching position players. That would be a huge disadvantage. The only way a college team allows that to happen is if it is a health concern, and even that is rare.

The NFL and college games are just too different to be comparable, but even then, I would be shocked if an NFL team's coach hired a mistress to his staff and kept his job. Things that affect on the field play directly and things that tear apart organizational culture are two very different things. Plus, the league banned the defensive coordinator who ran the program, and if Payton had been proven to have involvement, I'm pretty confident he would have been terminated also, though I doubt the team looked into it any harder than they absolutely had to.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: Gonzo on November 10, 2017, 02:16:52 pm
Keep trying. It was shown Payton was involved.  Your absolute "everyone would have done it this way" simply doesn't hold up, but don't let me keep you from clinging to it.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 02:19:08 pm
No, don't want him back.  His personality sucks.
Title: Re: Woulda Coulda Shoulda
Post by: 12247 on November 10, 2017, 02:24:46 pm
We probably could bring Petrino back if Long leaves, otherwise, no.
I am not all for it though and many on here call me a Bobby lover. 
BP loses too much for me due to weaknesses in his defense. 
But for you weak minded who throw up the Heisman thing, try and remember it was Bobby who took the 3 star and coached him to the Heisman.  We could do far worse than BP for a coach.  We end up with a lazy, no knowledge, poor leadership, holds grudges, a-hole, you know what I mean.