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Title: Liangelo Ball
Post by: skinnypig on November 07, 2017, 09:09:51 pm
Liangelo Ball, Cody Riley, and Jalen Hill arrested
In China for shoplifting could face 3-10 years in Chinese prison.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hawg Red on November 07, 2017, 09:15:40 pm
Anytime you go to a Communist country, you gotta break the law and arrested.

So dumb. Especially considering the fact that you know Ball had spending money on him. Man, thatís dumb.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 07, 2017, 09:24:35 pm
Thrill seeking kids. Modern day joyride. Hope they didnít end their basketball careers with this stupid stunt.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: PORKULATOR on November 07, 2017, 09:26:47 pm
This could get political they could just sign to play basketball for China for like 3 years
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 07, 2017, 09:54:00 pm
What's sad is my first thought was that I wonder if Lavar could've set this up just to get his BBB name out more in an unsurmountable market. Why would he do something like that? Well...he IS the king of negative publicity is better than no publicity...
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: skinnypig on November 07, 2017, 10:11:36 pm
I donít understand stand why UCLA & GT are playing this game in China in the first place.  Might be a lot more people tuning in now though.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: rusvegashog on November 07, 2017, 11:19:41 pm
Ohh Balls, LemonJello Balls!! Already leads the Nation in steals I see.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hobhog on November 07, 2017, 11:22:14 pm
Thrill seeking kids. Modern day joyride. Hope they didnít end their basketball careers with this stupid stunt.

Too many try to justify behavior like this.

Meanwhile.....who cares🐗🐗🐗🐗
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MissippHog on November 08, 2017, 12:02:32 am
LaVar Ball: "I'm going to wait until I get more intel on what's going on" before he comments on LiAngelo Ball's arrest but said he's not worried. "He'll be fine," he said. "Everyone's making it a big deal. It ain't that big a deal."

Right LaVar, it's really not that big of a deal that your son was arrested for shoplifting.  I'm sure he's above that anyways, just like you taught him to be.  All I can say is, had I been caught shoplifting when I was a teen, I had better hoped I was in a communist country to protect me from my dad. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 12:10:46 am
LaVar Ball: "I'm going to wait until I get more intel on what's going on" before he comments on LiAngelo Ball's arrest but said he's not worried. "He'll be fine," he said. "Everyone's making it a big deal. It ain't that big a deal."

Right LaVar, it's really not that big of a deal that your son was arrested for shoplifting.  I'm sure he's above that anyways, just like you taught him to be.  All I can say is, had I been caught shoplifting when I was a teen, I had better hoped I was in a communist country to protect me from my dad.

I mean what is he suppose to say?  Is he suppose to throw his son under the bus to the media and say he's dumb and in big trouble?  Parents are going to defend their kids,  I wouldn't bash my kid to the media either, I'd probably just say something like he's going to be fine and we're going to wait for more details.  We know the Ball's aren't hurting for any money, looks like Liangelo was just trying to be cool with his teammates and fit in, horrible decision, hopefully doesn't ruin his college basketball career, because if true he's at least looking at a hefty suspension minimum. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MissippHog on November 08, 2017, 12:14:23 am
I mean what is he suppose to say?  Is he suppose to throw his son under the bus to the media and say he's dumb and in big trouble?  Parents are going to defend their kids,  I wouldn't bash my kid to the media either, I'd probably just say something like he's going to be fine and we're going to wait for more details.  We know the Ball's aren't hurting for any money, looks like Liangelo was just trying to be cool with his teammates and fit in, horrible decision, hopefully doesn't ruin his college basketball career, because if true he's at least looking at a hefty suspension minimum.
I don't know, how about a "if this is true, I would be disappointed in his decision" type of comment. 

Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 01:19:09 am
I don't know, how about a "if this is true, I would be disappointed in his decision" type of comment.

That's a fair comment.  I don't think that's lavar style though, he not going to say anything remotely negative about his sons. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Kevin on November 08, 2017, 06:52:50 am
lavar too busy taping his reality show. who wants to watch this guy & his family. tv programming for the most part stinks.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: labb on November 08, 2017, 07:49:01 am
Lack of Discipline and Respect of God, Family and Country being taught to our kids. It is a nation wide problem. JMO
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hogwood on November 08, 2017, 07:51:01 am
Liangelo Ball, Cody Riley, and Jalen Hill arrested
In China for shoplifting could face 3-10 years in Chinese prison.

Are these all UCLA players?

Dumbasses probably stuck out like sore thumbs as they were doing it. Idiots.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Kevin on November 08, 2017, 07:52:46 am
if they did it, throw the book at them.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: LumberBacks on November 08, 2017, 08:21:42 am
I mean what is he suppose to say?  Is he suppose to throw his son under the bus to the media and say he's dumb and in big trouble?  Parents are going to defend their kids,  I wouldn't bash my kid to the media either, I'd probably just say something like he's going to be fine and we're going to wait for more details.  We know the Ball's aren't hurting for any money, looks like Liangelo was just trying to be cool with his teammates and fit in, horrible decision, hopefully doesn't ruin his college basketball career, because if true he's at least looking at a hefty suspension minimum.
You're joking right?  What is he supposed to say so he doesn't sound like another inept parent?  He stops at the intel comment.  But in typical Lavar fashion, he will exercise the Ball Privileged and claim "no big deal" for a crime in another county on a university-paid trip on a cultural exchange goodwill mission.  His schtick is getting tired now and he's actually the one that is no big deal.  I'm hoping one day that Lonzo will have the BALLS to part with his image-damaging dad and be his own man.  Lavar talks sh#$%t a mile a minute or is in a state of constipated notions, the prototype subject of Funkadelic's Promentalshitbackwashpychosis Enema Squad.

https://genius.com/Funkadelic-promentalshitbackwashpsychosis-enema-squad-the-doo-doo-chasers-lyrics (https://genius.com/Funkadelic-promentalshitbackwashpsychosis-enema-squad-the-doo-doo-chasers-lyrics)
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hogimus Prime on November 08, 2017, 08:43:45 am
What a DA.  I'm not surprised though with a father figure like LaVar is I'm sure the feeling of arrogance and entitlement flow like the dumb comments that come out of the dad's mouth.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 08, 2017, 09:04:04 am
if they did it, throw the book at them.

Just like Otto Warmbier. Lock em up and send them home to die. Maybe that will satisfy you.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:14 am
if they did it, throw the book at them.

They may have to spend a month over there just for the preliminary steps. This ain't America lol.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Kevin on November 08, 2017, 09:40:30 am
Just like Otto Warmbier. Lock em up and send them home to die. Maybe that will satisfy you.

if someone comes over here legally and did shoplifting, would you not want them prosecuted?  they difference is this, over here they would get a slap on the wrist.

over there, under their laws, their penalties are a lot harsher.

if they broke the law, then they should face the penalties of the country they are in.

I was just in Ireland, if I broke the law there, then I would expect to face their penalties.

don't go to the extreme, with bringing up otto warmbier.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hog_Swanson on November 08, 2017, 10:28:39 am
Found this tidbit with a simple google search.

"China
In China theft results in a minimum of 10 years imprisonment, life sentence, or even death penalty. "

The death penalty has more to do with theft of guns, ammo, and explosives.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hog_Swanson on November 08, 2017, 11:06:17 am
Out on bail.

www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/11/08/ucla-shoplifters-liangelo-ball-released-bail
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 01:10:22 pm
You're joking right?  What is he supposed to say so he doesn't sound like another inept parent?  He stops at the intel comment.  But in typical Lavar fashion, he will exercise the Ball Privileged and claim "no big deal" for a crime in another county on a university-paid trip on a cultural exchange goodwill mission.  His schtick is getting tired now and he's actually the one that is no big deal.  I'm hoping one day that Lonzo will have the BALLS to part with his image-damaging dad and be his own man.  Lavar talks sh#$%t a mile a minute or is in a state of constipated notions, the prototype subject of Funkadelic's Promentalshitbackwashpychosis Enema Squad.

https://genius.com/Funkadelic-promentalshitbackwashpsychosis-enema-squad-the-doo-doo-chasers-lyrics (https://genius.com/Funkadelic-promentalshitbackwashpsychosis-enema-squad-the-doo-doo-chasers-lyrics)

Again, no parent is going to throw their own kid under the bus to the media.  Those that were expecting him to come out and bash his own kid or say anything negative publicly about one of his kids is going to be sorely disappointed.  Say what you want about Lavar, but he knows how to play the game and market.  ESPN has a segment after ever Lakers game discussing Lonzo's performance.  I was watching skip and shannon they had a whole segment talking about his 0 point game.   Lonzo has one of the more boring personalities I've seen in a while, if it wasn't for his Dad nobody would be caring what he's doing.  Especially with his subpar performances as of late.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: AP85 on November 08, 2017, 01:32:09 pm
Deep down inside Iím hoping all three of these Ball idiots fail thanks to their big mouth thuggy Dad.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: rwspear on November 08, 2017, 01:44:13 pm
Thrill seeking kids. Modern day joyride. Hope they didnít end their basketball careers with this stupid stunt.

I hope they did end their careers. They deserve it.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hawg Red on November 08, 2017, 01:58:44 pm
I hope they did ended their careers. They deserve it.

For shoplifting?

Man, get a frigginí life.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: rwspear on November 08, 2017, 03:12:15 pm
pfft

they stole luxury glasses at a designer store next to their hotel, on their free trip to china to play basketball. one of them was already a multimillionaire.

they now look stupid, and they did a pretty good job looking stupid as ambassadors of ucla, college sports, and the united states.

they made a tremendously dumb and thoughtless move in front of the world and they had zero reason to do so.

you seem to think they stole a snickers at 711 on a sunday morning by accident.

Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: BigSexyHog on November 08, 2017, 03:12:37 pm
F all of them.  They can die in china
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 04:46:14 pm
For shoplifting?

Man, get a frigginí life.

We rarely agree, but I'm with you on this, kinda disturbing that so many adults wishing ill will on teenagers.  I just took it as teenagers being dumb, Liangelo was probably just trying to fit in, because I know people give him a hard time with his dad and trying to live up to Lonzo.  It was a dumb decision, he'll survive this and hopefully be able to put this behind him and learn from it.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Birminghog on November 08, 2017, 05:14:52 pm
Lack of Discipline and Respect of God, Family and Country being taught to our kids. It is a nation wide problem. JMO

I don't know about what you're teaching to your kids, but my kid was taught these values, as were the kids of many people I know. I also know kids who seem not to have been taught them. Can we please stop painting with a broad brush? Nearly every generation has had many who thought the following generation was going to perdition, including those kids who we now refer to as The Greatest Generation.


Dumbasses probably stuck out like sore thumbs as they were doing it. Idiots.

Have any of you ever been to China? Think about it. American kids over 6 feet tall among a society of people many of whom are 5'6" and under. You better believe they stuck out. Idiocy is not too strong a term.

Again, no parent is going to throw their own kid under the bus to the media.

He doesn't have to throw anybody under the bus to have a bit of contrition, such as was suggested by a previous poster. Contrition, it seems, is not in his DNA, which makes him somewhat of a DB. The idea that we need to give him credit for "knowing how to work the media and the market" is disgusting. He's a leech, pure and simple, making bucks off of the talent of his kids. I feel sorry for the kids, even though the current progeny of note seems to be, as we used to say in Malvern, "eat up with the DA".
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: cosmodrum on November 08, 2017, 05:17:16 pm
F all of them.  They can die in china

Wow. Swell fella.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Lady Razorback on November 08, 2017, 05:40:30 pm
I mean what is he suppose to say?  Is he suppose to throw his son under the bus to the media and say he's dumb and in big trouble?  Parents are going to defend their kids,  I wouldn't bash my kid to the media either, I'd probably just say something like he's going to be fine and we're going to wait for more details.  We know the Ball's aren't hurting for any money, looks like Liangelo was just trying to be cool with his teammates and fit in, horrible decision, hopefully doesn't ruin his college basketball career, because if true he's at least looking at a hefty suspension minimum.

I promise you that would not have been my response. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: husker71 on November 08, 2017, 06:10:24 pm
guy from the middle east was entering the Philippines just the other day.  I have been through customs here 7 or 8 times never much of a hassle .  Anyway they ask him why he was coming here and he said to meet his girlfriend and they asked where is she from (what part of the country) as supposedly he told them none of your business.  They asked what her name was and got the same response.  They kept him in custody until they could get him on a plane going back to his country of boarding and put him back on it and he is gone and in their black book for none desireables.  We are guests in these peoples countries and need to remember that .
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 07:32:45 pm
He doesn't have to throw anybody under the bus to have a bit of contrition, such as was suggested by a previous poster. Contrition, it seems, is not in his DNA, which makes him somewhat of a DB. The idea that we need to give him credit for "knowing how to work the media and the market" is disgusting. He's a leech, pure and simple, making bucks off of the talent of his kids. I feel sorry for the kids, even though the current progeny of note seems to be, as we used to say in Malvern, "eat up with the DA".

That's obviously your opinion that he's a leech.  His kids don't feel like that and that's all the matters.  He was their trainer that turned them into elite basketball players.  They've all acknowledged that.  Hate him or love him he's gotten 3 kids full rides to UCLA and one of them in the NBA, while also starting a business for his family.  One could also argue he talked Lonzo into the 2nd pick with the Lakers. He's definitely made him relevant to where shoe companies are fighting over him, because it's definitely not Lonzo's stats that are doing that.   

My suggestion to everybody that has a problem with Lavar is to stop talking about him.  Every time you talk about him on social media you give him publicity.  For somebody that may not have known who he is until they read this thread and googled him, guess what now they know about him and his BBB brand, you're doing exactly what he wants.  Me personally I don't care what he does one way or the other, I just see it for what it is, that he's using the media to advertise his family brand and promote his kids, not a bad strategy because it's worked perfectly so far, he's got a reality show, the most talked about rookie in the league, and he's getting free advertisement for his overpriced shoes and apparel. 


Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: WorfHog on November 08, 2017, 07:40:03 pm
guy from the middle east was entering the Philippines just the other day.  I have been through customs here 7 or 8 times never much of a hassle .  Anyway they ask him why he was coming here and he said to meet his girlfriend and they asked where is she from (what part of the country) as supposedly he told them none of your business.  They asked what her name was and got the same response.  They kept him in custody until they could get him on a plane going back to his country of boarding and put him back on it and he is gone and in their black book for none desireables.  We are guests in these peoples countries and need to remember that .

True, it's their right to treat people how they wish. I hope we treat the people visiting our country better.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 08, 2017, 09:38:27 pm
That's obviously your opinion that he's a leech.  His kids don't feel like that and that's all the matters.  He was their trainer that turned them into elite basketball players.  They've all acknowledged that.  Hate him or love him he's gotten 3 kids full rides to UCLA and one of them in the NBA, while also starting a business for his family.  One could also argue he talked Lonzo into the 2nd pick with the Lakers. He's definitely made him relevant to where shoe companies are fighting over him, because it's definitely not Lonzo's stats that are doing that.   

My suggestion to everybody that has a problem with Lavar is to stop talking about him.  Every time you talk about him on social media you give him publicity.  For somebody that may not have known who he is until they read this thread and googled him, guess what now they know about him and his BBB brand, you're doing exactly what he wants.  Me personally I don't care what he does one way or the other, I just see it for what it is, that he's using the media to advertise his family brand and promote his kids, not a bad strategy because it's worked perfectly so far, he's got a reality show, the most talked about rookie in the league, and he's getting free advertisement for his overpriced shoes and apparel.

I actually think Lonzo is an ok kid, but the dad has trained his kids to play basketball, all so he could pimp them out for his brand that he created.

Regarding what he said, the problem isn't what he DIDN'T say, the problem is what he DID say. He literally told everyone, "Everyone's making it a big deal. It ain't that big a deal."...to steal...in another country.

Wish ESPN would just stop shoving the camera in his face. He is only relevant cuz the media is using the nations distain for him as fuel for views.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hamsam on November 08, 2017, 09:47:20 pm
Give em 5 years... stealing is a top 5 crime. EARN what you have!!
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: BadHog on November 08, 2017, 09:52:53 pm
I'm not sure I can wrap my head around that much stupid!
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 10:38:48 pm
I actually think Lonzo is an ok kid, but the dad has trained his kids to play basketball, all so he could pimp them out for his brand that he created.

Regarding what he said, the problem isn't what he DIDN'T say, the problem is what he DID say. He literally told everyone, "Everyone's making it a big deal. It ain't that big a deal."...to steal...in another country.

Wish ESPN would just stop shoving the camera in his face. He is only relevant cuz the media is using the nations distain for him as fuel for views.

So he pimped out his kids by training them and helping them get scholarships to their hometown dream school of UCLA?  And he's pimping them by starting a business for their family and letting them design their own stuff? 

You're confused on the definition of pimping.  Pimping would have been him shopping his kids around to the highest bidding school.  Pimping would have been him forcing Lonzo to sign with the highest bidding shoe company, rather than starting his own business and letting Lonzo design his own shoes.  Pimping would have been using his kids as leverage to get an assistant coaching job or a position at a university.  Because believe me, there would have been some school that would have gave him a job to land his oldest and youngest who are both consensus 5-star players. 

If Lavar is guilty of anything it's babying his kids and being too defensive of them.  He's not going to let a single bad thing be said about his kids and he thinks nobody is better than his kids.  But saying he's pimping them is absolutely false, people have actually said he's cost his kids money by some of the things he's done, and everybody knows a pimp ain't going to let a dime go out of his sight.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: 1highhog on November 08, 2017, 10:50:06 pm
I don't know, how about a "if this is true, I would be disappointed in his decision" type of comment. 



This ^^^^^ !!!
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: 1highhog on November 08, 2017, 10:51:35 pm
To bad it couldn't have been the Dad that got arrested for shoplifting and they put him in prison for 20 years.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 08, 2017, 11:00:27 pm
So he pimped out his kids by training them and helping them get scholarships to their hometown dream school of UCLA?  And he's pimping them by starting a business for their family and letting them design their own stuff? 

You're confused on the definition of pimping.  Pimping would have been him shopping his kids around to the highest bidding school.  Pimping would have been him forcing Lonzo to sign with the highest bidding shoe company, rather than starting his own business and letting Lonzo design his own shoes.  Pimping would have been using his kids as leverage to get an assistant coaching job or a position at a university.  Because believe me, there would have been some school that would have gave him a job to land his oldest and youngest who are both consensus 5-star players. 

If Lavar is guilty of anything it's babying his kids and being too defensive of them.  He's not going to let a single bad thing be said about his kids and he thinks nobody is better than his kids.  But saying he's pimping them is absolutely false, people have actually said he's cost his kids money by some of the things he's done, and everybody knows a pimp ain't going to let a dime go out of his sight.

Pimping as in Lavar is a blowhard nobody that no one would give a rats *** about if he didnít use his kids for his own personal gain. Pimping as in he does not care that he put a bulls eye on all of his kids just to promote himself and his brand. Lavar is a nobody who runs his mouth to sports legends while his kids have to do all the work and back up his trash talk. Lavar made life changing decisions for Melo so he could star in his own reality tv series. Why? So his invention, the BBB, would make more money?

Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 08, 2017, 11:17:59 pm
Pimping as in Lavar is a blowhard nobody that no one would give a rats *** about if he didnít use his kids for his own personal gain. Pimping as in he does not care that he put a bulls eye on all of his kids just to promote himself and his brand. Lavar is a nobody who runs his mouth to sports legends while his kids have to do all the work and back up his trash talk. Lavar made life changing decisions for Melo so he could star in his own reality tv series. Why? So his invention, the BBB, would make more money?

We'll agree to disagree.  If he was a so called pimp he definitely would have shopped them around to different colleges and signed with a big shoe company.  That would have been the more profitable situation and would have been less work for him.  Actually starting a business and giving your kids creative control is a lot more work and more risky financially.  I commend him on doing something outside the norm and not having to rely on the big shoe companies and starting something for his family.  A lot of people are too scared to take that risk.  And him promoting the family brand ain't pimping, it's called marketing.  If he didn't talk trash and say stuff nobody would put a mic in his face and nobody would know about their brand.  Him doing some playful trash talking about Jordan, helped them sell out on some $500 shoes.  Put a mic in front of my face right now to make a couple million dollars on shoe sales, and I'll tell you I can beat Michael Jordan 1 on 1.

And his kids are always going to have a target on their back if they truly want to be great.  Whether his dad talks or not isn't going to affect that, either you can play or you can't, it's that simple.   I haven't heard Lebron's dad say a single word and he's had the biggest target on his back his whole career.  You think people weren't coming after him when he was the proclaimed "King" and everybody was saying he was the face of the league at 18.  You think Jordan, Bird, Magic, and all those guys didn't have targets on their back every single game?  Heck Jeremy Lin had a target on his back one year when everybody was talking about Linsanity.  He even did an interview about it talking about how guys were coming extra hard at him.  If you want to be anybody you're going to have a target on your back and you're going to have to be able to overcome it.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on November 09, 2017, 12:12:32 am
Dumb dumb dumb.  That being said, I'm rooting for these kids to get sent back to the US, very serious stuff. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 06:38:25 am
We'll agree to disagree.  If he was a so called pimp he definitely would have shopped them around to different colleges and signed with a big shoe company.  That would have been the more profitable situation and would have been less work for him.  Actually starting a business and giving your kids creative control is a lot more work and more risky financially.  I commend him on doing something outside the norm and not having to rely on the big shoe companies and starting something for his family.  A lot of people are too scared to take that risk.  And him promoting the family brand ain't pimping, it's called marketing.  If he didn't talk trash and say stuff nobody would put a mic in his face and nobody would know about their brand.  Him doing some playful trash talking about Jordan, helped them sell out on some $500 shoes.  Put a mic in front of my face right now to make a couple million dollars on shoe sales, and I'll tell you I can beat Michael Jordan 1 on 1.

And his kids are always going to have a target on their back if they truly want to be great.  Whether his dad talks or not isn't going to affect that, either you can play or you can't, it's that simple.   I haven't heard Lebron's dad say a single word and he's had the biggest target on his back his whole career.  You think people weren't coming after him when he was the proclaimed "King" and everybody was saying he was the face of the league at 18.  You think Jordan, Bird, Magic, and all those guys didn't have targets on their back every single game?  Heck Jeremy Lin had a target on his back one year when everybody was talking about Linsanity.  He even did an interview about it talking about how guys were coming extra hard at him.  If you want to be anybody you're going to have a target on your back and you're going to have to be able to overcome it.

Yes. Weíll have to agree to disagree.

He didnít shop schools cuz the whole goal was to get the kids to play in LA. He wouldnít allow his son to even work out for the Celtics cuz he wanted them in LA. Why? Cuz thatís where the biggest market is in the nation.

And are you really comparing his target on his back to Bird, Magic, Jordan, and LeBron? Really? The greatest players of all time? He canít hit the broad side of a barn with his ugly shot. And Jeremy Lin? Everybody liked Lin and his career was based on 5 games. So no, Lin wasnít even close to having the same target.

Lonzo is despised by the entire league as much as can be possible when your not an elite player all because of his dad running his mouth about them. Thatís it. Not cuz heís great. Not cuz of any shoe deal. He has a target cuz his dad has pushed him into the spotlight as an annoyance to the league in the benefit of his brand.

Btw...shoe companies are NOT fighting over him.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 09, 2017, 07:01:31 am
We'll agree to disagree.  If he was a so called pimp he definitely would have shopped them around to different colleges and signed with a big shoe company.  That would have been the more profitable situation and would have been less work for him.  Actually starting a business and giving your kids creative control is a lot more work and more risky financially.  I commend him on doing something outside the norm and not having to rely on the big shoe companies and starting something for his family.  A lot of people are too scared to take that risk.  And him promoting the family brand ain't pimping, it's called marketing.  If he didn't talk trash and say stuff nobody would put a mic in his face and nobody would know about their brand.  Him doing some playful trash talking about Jordan, helped them sell out on some $500 shoes.  Put a mic in front of my face right now to make a couple million dollars on shoe sales, and I'll tell you I can beat Michael Jordan 1 on 1.

And his kids are always going to have a target on their back if they truly want to be great.  Whether his dad talks or not isn't going to affect that, either you can play or you can't, it's that simple.   I haven't heard Lebron's dad say a single word and he's had the biggest target on his back his whole career.  You think people weren't coming after him when he was the proclaimed "King" and everybody was saying he was the face of the league at 18.  You think Jordan, Bird, Magic, and all those guys didn't have targets on their back every single game?  Heck Jeremy Lin had a target on his back one year when everybody was talking about Linsanity.  He even did an interview about it talking about how guys were coming extra hard at him.  If you want to be anybody you're going to have a target on your back and you're going to have to be able to overcome it.

Same strategy of making outrageous statements to get free press got Trump elected President and he is praised for being media savvy. Lavar does it to make money for his family and he gets called a pimp.

What's the difference in these two men? Hmm....

Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on November 09, 2017, 07:57:22 am
"Liangelo, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hogsanity on November 09, 2017, 09:06:04 am
For shoplifting?

Man, get a frigginí life.

I want them to face the same punishment anyone caught shoplifting in China faces. Just as I would want a Chinese citizen caught shoplifting in the US to face the same punishment here as anyone else.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 09:19:18 am
Same strategy of making outrageous statements to get free press got Trump elected President and he is praised for being media savvy. Lavar does it to make money for his family and he gets called a pimp.

What's the difference in these two men? Hmm....

The two are not even comparable. Trump made claims that he, himself, would have to back up. He also told the masses what they wanted hear. Lavar isnít gonna have to back up single thing heís said. He said it, now his kids have to live up to HIS words.

Also, donít tell me that this is ONLY about setting them up financially. Cuz they are gonna play in the NBA. The kids will be fine. Itís Lavar that wonít be getting rich. So...he turned the family into a circus show, so heíd get publicity and be able to start a brand. If he REALLY thinks his boys are going to be the next Bird, Magic, and Jordan, then why not let them come into the league and prove it and earn his multi billion shoe deals?

BBB is all about Lavar making him money and he doesnít have the abilities to make it big. So, he uses the kids. Maybe ďpimpingĒ is not the exact right term, but donít tell me that everything heís doing is for his kids.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 09:20:07 am
I want them to face the same punishment anyone caught shoplifting in China faces. Just as I would want a Chinese citizen caught shoplifting in the US to face the same punishment here as anyone else.

I agree.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 12:04:16 pm
Same strategy of making outrageous statements to get free press got Trump elected President and he is praised for being media savvy. Lavar does it to make money for his family and he gets called a pimp.

What's the difference in these two men? Hmm....

Dude you read my mind, I didn't wanna be the guy to bring it up though :).  But yea, you get it, same people that hate Lavar are the same people that love Trump.  That's why I like arguing with them and calling out their contradictions, it's hilarious to me.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 12:14:42 pm
Yes. Weíll have to agree to disagree.

He didnít shop schools cuz the whole goal was to get the kids to play in LA. He wouldnít allow his son to even work out for the Celtics cuz he wanted them in LA. Why? Cuz thatís where the biggest market is in the nation.

And are you really comparing his target on his back to Bird, Magic, Jordan, and LeBron? Really? The greatest players of all time? He canít hit the broad side of a barn with his ugly shot. And Jeremy Lin? Everybody liked Lin and his career was based on 5 games. So no, Lin wasnít even close to having the same target.

Lonzo is despised by the entire league as much as can be possible when your not an elite player all because of his dad running his mouth about them. Thatís it. Not cuz heís great. Not cuz of any shoe deal. He has a target cuz his dad has pushed him into the spotlight as an annoyance to the league in the benefit of his brand.

Btw...shoe companies are NOT fighting over him.

Yes, I am comparing him to them, same way Magic Johnson compared himself to Lonzo saying he expects him to hang banners and his number to be retired when he's done playing.  Those are Magic Johnson's words.  They want him to have high expectations, with those expectations a target comes with it, whether his Dad talks or not.  Now whether he lives up to it is a completely different topic.   

And yes, several shoe companies have made offers to Lonzo Ball and he's even joked and said he's trying to start a bidding war between them, that has been reported several times, it can be googled easily.  Any shoe company would love to have all the publicity that Lonzo gets.  Lakers went from hardly getting any national games last year, to now almost all their games are on national TV, simply because people want to see Lonzo play.  You can hate his Dad all you want, but he's probably the reason that Lonzo is arguably the most talked about player in the league, and why your sitting here talking about him right now and giving their brand free advertisement.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 12:59:39 pm
Yes, I am comparing him to them, same way Magic Johnson compared himself to Lonzo saying he expects him to hang banners and his number to be retired when he's done playing.  Those are Magic Johnson's words.  They want him to have high expectations, with those expectations a target comes with it, whether his Dad talks or not.  Now whether he lives up to it is a completely different topic.   

And yes, several shoe companies have made offers to Lonzo Ball and he's even joked and said he's trying to start a bidding war between them, that has been reported several times, it can be googled easily.  Any shoe company would love to have all the publicity that Lonzo gets.  Lakers went from hardly getting any national games last year, to now almost all their games are on national TV, simply because people want to see Lonzo play.  You can hate his Dad all you want, but he's probably the reason that Lonzo is arguably the most talked about player in the league, and why your sitting here talking about him right now and giving their brand free advertisement.

Magic drafted a hyped player...what else is he gonna say?

Surely youíre not insinuating the that target on Lonzoís back would be the same had his dad never forced his way into the limelight. Lavar literally turned Lonzo into one of the most despised players in the NBA (by the players) before he even stepped into the court. How...cuz of his dad who wanted to promote his own brand.

Whether he lives up to the hype is up to Lonzo and while I know itís early, but heís struggling big time. Stephen A is already talking ďbustĒ status with him. Maybe he just wasnít as good as some thought or maybe the target his dad put on him is starting to effect him. Itís all speculation, but the fact is that Lavar has turned his sons into a sideshow for his own benefit.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 01:06:21 pm
Dude you read my mind, I didn't wanna be the guy to bring it up though :).  But yea, you get it, same people that hate Lavar are the same people that love Trump.  That's why I like arguing with them and calling out their contradictions, it's hilarious to me.

Ha ha ha...wait. Youíve PEGGED me as a Trump lover...cuz I donít like Lavar? So, youíre arguing with me cuz you need to point out my contradictions of youíre FABRICATED picture that I donít like Lavar so I MUST love Trump? Thereís a lot of lame crap on HV but this crap is just dumb.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Birminghog on November 09, 2017, 01:39:25 pm
Dude you read my mind, I didn't wanna be the guy to bring it up though :).  But yea, you get it, same people that hate Lavar are the same people that love Trump.  That's why I like arguing with them and calling out their contradictions, it's hilarious to me.

Au contraire, mon ami. Perhaps for some, but not pour moi.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 01:47:31 pm
Au contraire, mon ami. Perhaps for some, but not pour moi.

Ah...so youíre Lavar lover then.

Am I doing this right MP?
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hogsanity on November 09, 2017, 01:50:43 pm
Ha ha ha...wait. Youíve PEGGED me as a Trump lover...cuz I donít like Lavar? So, youíre arguing with me cuz you need to point out my contradictions of youíre FABRICATED picture that I donít like Lavar so I MUST love Trump? Thereís a lot of lame crap on HV but this crap is just dumb.

There is a lot of racist labeling spouted in jump ball. Pretty much you are a racist if you ever criticize and black person for anything. As you can see, criticize a kid for going to china a five finger discounting some shades, yep you are a a Trump lover ( ie racist ).
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 02:09:46 pm
There is a lot of racist labeling spouted in jump ball. Pretty much you are a racist if you ever criticize and black person for anything. As you can see, criticize a kid for going to china a five finger discounting some shades, yep you are a a Trump lover ( ie racist ).

Dang...this morning, all I was was a guy who did y like Lavar...then I became a Trump lover...now Iím a racist...

I really need to stay away from HV...
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: hogsanity on November 09, 2017, 02:11:08 pm
Dang...this morning, all I was was a guy who did y like Lavar...then I became a Trump lover...now Iím a racist...

I really need to stay away from HV...

HV is a fun place, but there are about a dozen posters that take themselves and HV way too seriously.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 02:37:25 pm
HV is a fun place, but there are about a dozen posters that take themselves and HV way too seriously.

Ha ha...true. I live in Virginia so HV is my only source of Razorback conversation. Sometimes, I think I should just talk to a wall...might be more productive...lol
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 09, 2017, 03:25:06 pm
There is a lot of racist labeling spouted in jump ball. Pretty much you are a racist if you ever criticize and black person for anything. As you can see, criticize a kid for going to china a five finger discounting some shades, yep you are a a Trump lover ( ie racist ).

This is dumb. I haven't seen anyone in this thread call someone a racist because they criticized the UCLA players, or Liangelo Ball in particular, for stealing in China or anywhere else.

Come again. You are really reaching in trying to create that false narrative.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 03:34:39 pm
Ha ha ha...wait. Youíve PEGGED me as a Trump lover...cuz I donít like Lavar? So, youíre arguing with me cuz you need to point out my contradictions of youíre FABRICATED picture that I donít like Lavar so I MUST love Trump? Thereís a lot of lame crap on HV but this crap is just dumb.

What in the world are you talking about dude.  Where did I call you a trump lover or a racist or anything like that?  I was talking in general terms, some of the same people that hate Lavar would be huge Trump supporters.  It's weird because they are like the same person lol.  If you took offense to that, then that's on you, I was just laughing at what Birmingham Hog was saying, because I know what he's talking because I've seen people like that on twitter and facebook.  I didn't mention your name, quote you in the post or anything, so how you associated yourself in that is beyond me.  Me and you were having a completely different argument that had nothing to do with that. You and Hogsanity just took offense to it out of nowhere.  And I have no idea how Hogsanity even got in the conversation and included himself in it at that point nobody had even said anything to him in this thread.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 09, 2017, 03:34:48 pm
There is a lot of racist labeling spouted in jump ball.


Yes, CMA and his staff of black men are routinely called lazy, dumb, and lacking understanding of simple basketball concepts such as zone defenses.


 
Pretty much you are a racist if you ever criticize and black person for anything.

A casual examination of this statement would reveal to any person of average intelligence that this statement is false unless that person is a racist.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 04:10:42 pm
What in the world are you talking about dude.  Where did I call you a trump lover or a racist or anything like that?  I was talking in general terms, some of the same people that hate Lavar would be huge Trump supporters.  It's weird because they are like the same person lol.  If you took offense to that, then that's on you, I was just laughing at what Birmingham Hog was saying, because I know what he's talking because I've seen people like that on twitter and facebook.  I didn't mention your name, quote you in the post or anything, so how you associated yourself in that is beyond me.  Me and you were having a completely different argument that had nothing to do with that. You and Hogsanity just took offense to it out of nowhere.  And I have no idea how Hogsanity even got in the conversation and included himself in it at that point nobody had even said anything to him in this thread.

Cmon man. If you're going to post something, at least back it up instead of denying it whenever your post is directly above this. So, let me refresh your memory...

You said,"But yea, you get it, same people that hate Lavar are the same people that love Trump.  That's why I like arguing with them and calling out their contradictions, it's hilarious to me."

1. I made an obvious statement that I don't like Lavar, so with very simple deduction your statement is referring to me loving Trump.

2. When you said "That's why I like arguing with them..."...I'M THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE ARGUING WITH...

You're talking about me.

Also, since you're speaking about me getting offended, if you can't see that all "racist" talk is us just being facetious, then that's on you.

What I've not seen you say yet, is anything directly going against what I've said in talk of Lavar. He is a loudmouth nobody who saw opportunity to make money off his kids. Don't say its for the kids. The kids will be in the NBA. They will be fine. BBB is all about him and he's putting a larger target than there is suppose to be on his kids just to grow his bank account.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 09, 2017, 04:26:53 pm
What I've not seen you say yet, is anything directly going against what I've said in talk of Lavar. He is a loudmouth nobody who saw opportunity to make money off his kids. Don't say its for the kids. The kids will be in the NBA. They will be fine. BBB is all about him and he's putting a larger target than there is suppose to be on his kids just to grow his bank account.

He is a loudmouth but he is not a nobody (and neither are you). He is also obnoxious. He is not a pimp. Your pimp, as it relates to Liangelo Ball or any other of Lavar's sons, is the NCAA and Mark Emmert as outlined by John Oliver below:

http://morningafter.gawker.com/march-sadness-john-oliver-on-the-ncaas-student-athlet-1691692670
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 04:55:33 pm
He is a loudmouth but he is not a nobody (and neither are you). He is also obnoxious. He is not a pimp. Your pimp, as it relates to Liangelo Ball or any other of Lavar's sons, is the NCAA and Mark Emmert as outlined by John Oliver below:

http://morningafter.gawker.com/march-sadness-john-oliver-on-the-ncaas-student-athlet-1691692670

Correct. I know that no one is a "nobody". When I say that, I'm referring to what he is. He is a dad first and foremost. He created a brand and he is not big enough to make anyone care about it. So, he used kids to promote it, but knowingly put a target on their backs that no kid needs since Lonzo ALREADY has a target just for being a #2 pick.

I don't disagree with you about college athletics, and I have no clue what the answer is to fix that problem. But if you call them "pimps" because they use players to promote their own brand (NCAA), then I don't see it as being TOO far off. Same? No...but close.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 05:20:23 pm
Cmon man. If you're going to post something, at least back it up instead of denying it whenever your post is directly above this. So, let me refresh your memory...

You said,"But yea, you get it, same people that hate Lavar are the same people that love Trump.  That's why I like arguing with them and calling out their contradictions, it's hilarious to me."

1. I made an obvious statement that I don't like Lavar, so with very simple deduction your statement is referring to me loving Trump.

2. When you said "That's why I like arguing with them..."...I'M THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE ARGUING WITH...

You're talking about me.

Also, since you're speaking about me getting offended, if you can't see that all "racist" talk is us just being facetious, then that's on you.

What I've not seen you say yet, is anything directly going against what I've said in talk of Lavar. He is a loudmouth nobody who saw opportunity to make money off his kids. Don't say its for the kids. The kids will be in the NBA. They will be fine. BBB is all about him and he's putting a larger target than there is suppose to be on his kids just to grow his bank account.

Dude maybe you should revisit your idea of just going to talk to the wall.  Because you're all over the place and have no idea what you're talking about and paranoid that somebody is talking about you.  If I was talking about you I would have quoted a post of yours and spoke directly to you or I would have mentioned your name in the post.  Context is everything, when I responded to Birminghog I was talking about my experiences with people that would be people that would be Trump supporters and hate Lavar.  And they specifically let you know they are Trump supporters, and I like pointing out the contradictions, because Lavar and Trump are very similar in personality.  Me and you didn't even speak about Trump, so how in the world could I point out contradictions on something that wasn't even mentioned.   

You need to get a serious grip dude.  For somebody who likes running to a message board to call somebody a pimp and a nobody, you sure do get offended easily if you think somebody called you a name, isn't that ironic.  And in the future, I'm letting you know I'm pretty blunt person, If I'm talking about you, I'll mention you specifically, if not it's not about you bud. 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 05:23:37 pm
Correct. I know that no one is a "nobody". When I say that, I'm referring to what he is. He is a dad first and foremost. He created a brand and he is not big enough to make anyone care about it. So, he used kids to promote it, but knowingly put a target on their backs that no kid needs since Lonzo ALREADY has a target just for being a #2 pick.

I don't disagree with you about college athletics, and I have no clue what the answer is to fix that problem. But if you call them "pimps" because they use players to promote their own brand (NCAA), then I don't see it as being TOO far off. Same? No...but close.

You seriously need to learn the definition of what a pimp is, people have been trying to help you and point out where your wrong, but you refuse to listen.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 05:46:47 pm
Dude maybe you should revisit your idea of just going to talk to the wall.  Because you're all over the place and have no idea what you're talking about and paranoid that somebody is talking about you.  If I was talking about you I would have quoted a post of yours and spoke directly to you or I would have mentioned your name in the post.  Context is everything, when I responded to Birminghog I was talking about my experiences with people that would be people that would be Trump supporters and hate Lavar.  And they specifically let you know they are Trump supporters, and I like pointing out the contradictions, because Lavar and Trump are very similar in personality.  Me and you didn't even speak about Trump, so how in the world could I point out contradictions on something that wasn't even mentioned.   

You need to get a serious grip dude.  For somebody who likes running to a message board to call somebody a pimp and a nobody, you sure do get offended easily if you think somebody called you a name, isn't that ironic.  And in the future, I'm letting you know I'm pretty blunt person, If I'm talking about you, I'll mention you specifically, if not it's not about you bud.

Well, you responded to a guy who responded to me and made very easy to see connection of ďthe same people who hate Lavar are the same who love TrumpĒ. I honestly baffled how you canít see why someone would put 2 + 2 together. But I digress on you talking about me cuz whether you believe it or not, I could not care less. I DID want to call you out on a false statement (as Iím not fan of Lavar nor s Trump fan).

Also, donít confuse an all cap text as me ďnot having a gripĒ. Itís just s point of emphasis to make you understand EXACTLY what Iím talking about.

Lastly, Iíve already said that I hold the term pimp loosely. I use the term ďpimping outĒ as someone who calls the shots for others for their own benefit regardless of how it might affect them. This is how I see the BBB Circus. Whether you agree with me or not, thatís my opinion and thatís all that exists on these boards, right? Just personal opinions from everyone and discussing them.

Itís obvious that you like Lavar. I do not for reasons Iíve stated. Same facts just different opinions.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Birminghog on November 09, 2017, 05:58:39 pm
Ah...so youíre Lavar lover then.

Am I doing this right MP?

Well played, green. One thing I can agree with MP about on this topic, and I hadn't thought about it until he brought it up, is that LaVar and POTUS seem to have similar levels of chutzpah, which is one of the reasons I don't care for either of them. I do not mean, BTW, to derail this into politics. I accept that I am a member of a minority group on HV, & I'm fine with that. Perhaps my idea of parenting is drastically divergent from that of Mr. Ball.

FWIW, I am not a part of any social media, unless HV is considered such.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 06:07:08 pm
Well played, green. One thing I can agree with MP about on this topic, and I hadn't thought about it until he brought it up, is that LaVar and POTUS seem to have similar levels of chutzpah, which is one of the reasons I don't care for either of them. I do not mean, BTW, to derail this into politics. I accept that I am a member of a minority group on HV, & I'm fine with that. Perhaps my idea of parenting is drastically divergent from that of Mr. Ball.

FWIW, I am not a part of any social media, unless HV is considered such.

Iím right there with you. I donít do facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. Hogville is the closest thing to social media I do.

I agree and will not take this into politics either. But the 2 definitely have similar ďchutzpahĒ, though Lavar includes his kids and POTUS is all about himself...imo.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 06:45:46 pm
Iím right there with you. I donít do facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. Hogville is the closest thing to social media I do.

I agree and will not take this into politics either. But the 2 definitely have similar ďchutzpahĒ, though Lavar includes his kids and POTUS is all about himself...imo.

I do all of the social medias, and I'm telling you that a lot of people that hate Lavar are some of the same people that love Trump, I see it everyday, makes no sense to me because they both are loudmouths that don't back up half the things they say and use the media for promotion.  I don't see how you could love one and hate the other.  That's what I was saying in the post and my reference to calling out contradictions.  And I agree this has derailed into politics, this is the last post I'll bring up any politics, because I'm sure we are on the brink of getting this thread locked.

And as far as Lavar, I'm not trying to come off like I'm defending his actions, because most of the stuff he does I wouldn't do and I don't agree with.  But, I think saying he's pimping his kids is an incorrect statement and that's what our whole argument is about.  He's a lot of things but if you've ever watched his reality show and listened to people around him, he loves kids to a fault.  He actually spoils them way too much and let's them get away with too much IMO, especially the youngest one.  LaMelo needs a good ole fashioned spanking, the kid is super spoiled.  And I don't see how anybody could fault someone for starting a business for their family and giving his kids something that they can call their own.  You say he's a pimp, yet he's letting them design their own stuff, letting them wear whatever shoes or clothes they want, he's not forcing them to wear BBB stuff.  And all that trash talking is just for promotion, everybody sees that, the dude was on WWE talking about he was going to beat those guys up, you think that's real?  Come on now.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on November 09, 2017, 07:39:45 pm
I do all of the social medias, and I'm telling you that a lot of people that hate Lavar are some of the same people that love Trump, I see it everyday, makes no sense to me because they both are loudmouths that don't back up half the things they say and use the media for promotion.  I don't see how you could love one and hate the other.  That's what I was saying in the post and my reference to calling out contradictions.  And I agree this has derailed into politics, this is the last post I'll bring up any politics, because I'm sure we are on the brink of getting this thread locked.

And as far as Lavar, I'm not trying to come off like I'm defending his actions, because most of the stuff he does I wouldn't do and I don't agree with.  But, I think saying he's pimping his kids is an incorrect statement and that's what our whole argument is about.  He's a lot of things but if you've ever watched his reality show and listened to people around him, he loves kids to a fault.  He actually spoils them way too much and let's them get away with too much IMO, especially the youngest one.  LaMelo needs a good ole fashioned spanking, the kid is super spoiled.  And I don't see how anybody could fault someone for starting a business for their family and giving his kids something that they can call their own.  You say he's a pimp, yet he's letting them design their own stuff, letting them wear whatever shoes or clothes they want, he's not forcing them to wear BBB stuff.  And all that trash talking is just for promotion, everybody sees that, the dude was on WWE talking about he was going to beat those guys up, you think that's real?  Come on now.

Ok. Iíll relinquish my pimp remarks. Iím very critical of Lavar mainly because Iíve went from despising Lonzo to thinking hes an good kid, and I know the nation follows him and hopes he fails just to shut the dad up. And that just sucks for him. I know 11 games isnít a big pool of games but as of now, he has the worst shooting percentage in the paint and the 2nd worst outside the paint...in the league. Not just rookies. Then he basically said that heís struggling mentally when he shoots.

So instead of just letting his boy play and enjoy the league, he put an enormous target on him. Iíll also concede that Lavar does care for his kids (I know, of course he does) and is trying to set them up financially, but it looks like heís hurting them instead all in the name of BBB.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: Hawg Red on November 09, 2017, 09:04:21 pm
I want them to face the same punishment anyone caught shoplifting in China faces. Just as I would want a Chinese citizen caught shoplifting in the US to face the same punishment here as anyone else.

I responded to someone saying they deserved to have their careers ended (!!!!). There are actually people that frightenlying dumb on this planet.

The laws in China are the laws in China. What Ball in his teammates did was extremely stupid. What this (presumably) grown man said that I responded to was also stupid (and sad). 
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: MakingPlays on November 09, 2017, 09:20:30 pm
Ok. Iíll relinquish my pimp remarks. Iím very critical of Lavar mainly because Iíve went from despising Lonzo to thinking hes an good kid, and I know the nation follows him and hopes he fails just to shut the dad up. And that just sucks for him. I know 11 games isnít a big pool of games but as of now, he has the worst shooting percentage in the paint and the 2nd worst outside the paint...in the league. Not just rookies. Then he basically said that heís struggling mentally when he shoots.

So instead of just letting his boy play and enjoy the league, he put an enormous target on him. Iíll also concede that Lavar does care for his kids (I know, of course he does) and is trying to set them up financially, but it looks like heís hurting them instead all in the name of BBB.

Well said, I can't add any more to that.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: jbcarol on November 12, 2017, 09:07:17 am
 The Fulmer Cup‏ @TheFulmerCup
Nov 7

The Fulmer Cup Retweeted Jeff Goodman

3 hoops players arrested for international crime (shoplifting at Louis Vuitton)óthis is the sort of offseason incident the #FulmerCup would dream of scoring for CFB players (esp. if added espionage charges):
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: FineAsSwine on November 14, 2017, 02:47:08 pm
All 3 players are on the way home.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: holeinthewall on November 14, 2017, 03:08:59 pm
All 3 players are on the way home.

That's too bad.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: husker71 on November 14, 2017, 07:05:19 pm
You REALLY have to be careful with what you do in foreign countries.  Aint no Judge Judy here and in most other countries.
Title: Re: Liangelo Ball
Post by: holeinthewall on November 15, 2017, 08:52:19 am
You REALLY have to be careful with what you do in foreign countries.  Aint no Judge Judy here and in most other countries.

Being careful can't always help you.  Lots of set ups in foreign countries. they want you.    You aren't leaving