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Title: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on October 03, 2017, 10:11:43 pm
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Paul on October 03, 2017, 11:09:15 pm
Nobody cares
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: lasthog on October 03, 2017, 11:13:45 pm
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh

Who the hell is jim harris?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on October 03, 2017, 11:19:45 pm
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: navyhog24 on October 03, 2017, 11:22:45 pm
Who the hell is jim harris?

Almost equals...

Who is Robert Shields?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: snoblind on October 03, 2017, 11:30:29 pm
Who is Arkansas State?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: lasthog on October 03, 2017, 11:37:27 pm
Almost equals...

Who is Robert Shields?

Hey, I was hoping it would inspire the GIF Masters to make an appearance.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 03, 2017, 11:50:30 pm
play AState and keep our dollars in state
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 04, 2017, 06:06:28 am
play AState and keep our dollars in state

Wrong and we've covered that many times.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 06:15:31 am
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh


Maybe Jim needs to check in on the opening at the Jonesboro Sun?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: From Tusk Till Dawn on October 04, 2017, 07:41:18 am
play AState and keep our dollars in state
When malzahn was there it may have been interesting but not now.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Athog on October 04, 2017, 07:49:24 am
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh


Stupid post!!
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: LRrazorback on October 04, 2017, 08:00:37 am
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh


This. Jim nailed it! He's exactly right
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Piggage on October 04, 2017, 08:13:10 am
When malzahn was there it may have been interesting but not now.

I don't know that there was ever a time when FAMU or Alcorn St. were interesting.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on October 04, 2017, 08:16:36 am
Stupid post!!

It’s not like I’m the one that said it moron
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Razorbackers on October 04, 2017, 08:18:16 am
nm
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hoghiker on October 04, 2017, 08:21:10 am
This. Jim nailed it! He's exactly right
Man. That's some thinking outside the box right there. You'd think this might have been considered at some point.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 08:24:42 am
Wrong and we've covered that many times.

we may have covered it before but it should be done. 

its yet another black eye for the UA to look down upon AState, who plays other sec schools but is not allowed, not good enough, or insecurity to play the UA.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: DeltaBoy on October 04, 2017, 08:39:33 am
We need to play ASTATE in LR and put this dog to rest.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Hogtimes on October 04, 2017, 08:39:38 am

I don't see why some fans are so insecure about playing Arkansas State.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 08:41:23 am
I don't see why some fans are so insecure about playing Arkansas State.

I don't see why some fans are so hell-bent on playing Arkansas State.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 08:47:16 am
lets hear your good reasons why the UA should not play AState, ...anybody...
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 08:49:12 am
lets hear your good reasons why the UA should not play AState, ...anybody...

Guy I know in high school had to wrestle a girl at a wrestling meet.

It's a lose-lose.

You win? Congrats man, you wrestled a girl and won. (Congrats Hogs, you beat the state's stepchild.)
You lose? Dude. You just lost a wrestling match to a girl. (Hogs, you just got your ass beat by the state's stepchild.)

End scene.


Now, let's hear your "good" reasons as to why we should play the howlin' wolves of the northeast?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on October 04, 2017, 08:49:22 am
I don't know that there was ever a time when FAMU or Alcorn St. were interesting.

You know that's a false equivalency right?  If the argument were to play UAPB an FCS team that would be the right comparison.

The correct comparison would have been "I don't know if there was ever a time when Toledo, Troy, ULM, UTEP, were interesting" since they are G5 schools as is Astate."
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 08:51:12 am
Guy I know in high school had to wrestle a girl at a wrestling meet.

It's a lose-lose.

You win? Congrats man, you wrestled a girl and won. (Congrats Hogs, you beat the state's stepchild.)
You lose? Dude. You just lost a wrestling match to a girl. (Hogs, you just got your ass beat by the state's stepchild.)

End scene.


Now, let's hear your "good" reasons as to why we should play the howlin' wolves of the northeast?

^^^ This

but que 5 pages of ASU closet fans or just fans that want to see the UofA squirm and suffer .
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 08:55:10 am
Guy I know in high school had to wrestle a girl at a wrestling meet.

It's a lose-lose.

You win? Congrats man, you wrestled a girl and won. (Congrats Hogs, you beat the state's stepchild.)
You lose? Dude. You just lost a wrestling match to a girl. (Hogs, you just got your ass beat by the state's stepchild.)

End scene.


Now, let's hear your "good" reasons as to why we should play the howlin' wolves of the northeast?

your good reasons:
1. the UA is afraid they might loss to AState
2. it would be like playing our sister
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 08:56:13 am
You know that's a false equivalency right?  If the argument were to play UAPB an FCS team that would be the right comparison.

The correct comparison would have been "I don't know if there was ever a time when Toledo, Troy, ULM, UTEP, were interesting" since they are G5 schools as is Astate."

false equivalency
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 08:56:19 am
your good reasons:
1. the UA is afraid they might loss to AState
2. it would be like playing our sister

1. Never said I was afraid we might lose. I presented all possibilities for the sake of an argument.
2. Exactly. Would you wanna play your sister?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 09:00:49 am
1. Never said I was afraid we might lose. I presented all possibilities for the sake of an argument.
2. Exactly. Would you wanna play your sister?


okay i understand a fans perspective.   but loosing should not be a deterrent.   State plays P5 teams.

if my sister got paid $750,000, ...yes i would wrestle my sister
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 09:03:52 am

okay i understand a fans perspective.   but loosing should not be a deterrent.   State plays P5 teams.

if my sister got paid $750,000, ...yes i would wrestle my sister

Wouldn't it be more like you paying $750,000 to wrestle your sister and you recouping none of that money? You're just paying to...wrestle your sister.

This is getting weird.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 09:12:46 am
Wouldn't it be more like you paying $750,000 to wrestle your sister and you getting recouping none of that money? You're just paying to...wrestle your sister.

This is getting weird.

i think its all in state money.  if fans consider AState is a little sister, as your post suggested, its the wrong analogy in my opinion.  AState is a D1 school. from our state.  keep the money in state.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: MountieDawg on October 04, 2017, 09:14:24 am
If you are scared of playing stAte, please remove Bama from the schedule.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmb1973 on October 04, 2017, 09:15:11 am

okay i understand a fans perspective.   but loosing should not be a deterrent.   State plays P5 teams.

if my sister got paid $750,000, ...yes i would wrestle my sister


If your sister is hot I’ll wrestle her for free and save you some money.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 09:16:16 am
If you are scared of playing stAte, please remove Bama from the schedule.

No one is scared of playing them. There's legitimately no benefit in playing them.

I'm also not sure you understand how conferences and divisions work in regards to scheduling.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: MountieDawg on October 04, 2017, 09:18:12 am
I don't see why some fans are so hell-bent on playing Arkansas State.

Arkansas does not have a legitimate rival, not since Texas has it had a natural rival.  stAte would defintely be a game with emotions and Ark would win 90% of the time but the week of Florida A&M no one cares about football.  This would make for a fun week and keep money in state...  I bet you could charge Bama ticket prices and still fill it up and not have to give away 15,000 game week.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: sowmonella on October 04, 2017, 09:19:19 am
That's just Jim Harris making a feeble attempt to make himself relevant.  :puke:
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on October 04, 2017, 09:22:12 am
your good reasons:
1. the UA is afraid they might loss to AState
2. it would be like playing our sister

I'm a little surprised you can't see the reasoning behind why UA won't play AState. There is absolutely nothing to gain for Arkansas to play AState. Zero. No matter how entertaining that game would be to watch, it would do nothing but hurt the Hogs.

Like it was mentioned before. If UA wins big, the reaction is "Meh...they were suppose to." If UA wins with a marginal victory, the reaction is "Wow...did you see how well AState played and/or how poorly UA did vs the little bro." And if the stars aligned and AState BEAT the UA, the reaction would be unbelievably bad for the Hogs.

So, please tell me why in the world the UofA would WANT to play this game?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 09:27:29 am
i think its all in state money.  if fans consider AState is a little sister, as your post suggested, its the wrong analogy in my opinion.  AState is a D1 school. from our state.  keep the money in state.

Arkansas pays NMSU a million to play, money going out of state. Nebraska pays ASU a million to play money coming into the state. Sounds like a push to me.

But under your scenario UA pays ASU a million  and it's a million out of UA coffers into ASU coffers . How does that help UA?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 09:31:43 am
good will
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 09:32:12 am
i think its all in state money.  if fans consider AState is a little sister, as your post suggested, its the wrong analogy in my opinion.  AState is a D1 school. from our state.  keep the money in state.


If ASU makes more playing out of state, and Arkansas clears more paying NMSU,then more money stays in state. Arkansas isn't going to play ASU in LR unless someone pays them $3m to play there, currently we've been paying.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: SDZ_Hog on October 04, 2017, 09:32:37 am
No one is scared of playing them. There's legitimately no benefit in playing them.

I'm also not sure you understand how conferences and divisions work in regards to scheduling.
I don't understand why people can't grasp this.   I rather play 12 power 5 teams with 2 home and 2 away noncons in areas high in D1 talent.  Sure we would get beat up but maybe it would also open up recruiting.  Nothing is ever going to change unless we have a population explosion.  There is always going to be a postion group that is going to be thin in one area and good in another but never a complete team capable to compete for SECC or NC.   
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Ward on October 04, 2017, 09:33:54 am
keep the money in state.


algebra class was tough?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 09:34:13 am
Arkansas does not have a legitimate rival, not since Texas has it had a natural rival.  stAte would defintely be a game with emotions and Ark would win 90% of the time but the week of Florida A&M no one cares about football.  This would make for a fun week and keep money in state...  I bet you could charge Bama ticket prices and still fill it up and not have to give away 15,000 game week.
Name a game they have given 15,000 tickets away, of course, I'm speaking of the University of Arkansas, not ASU as they have......
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on October 04, 2017, 09:36:04 am
Arkansas pays NMSU a million to play, money going out of state. Nebraska pays ASU a million to play money coming into the state. Sounds like a push to me.

But under your scenario UA pays ASU a million  and it's a million out of UA coffers into ASU coffers . How does that help UA?

Precisely. UA pays $1 mill to play lesser teams. ASU gets payed $1 mill to play better teams. The money still goes where it would either way. This game does ABSOLUTELY nothing for UA. Would it be intriguing for fans? Absolutely. Does that mean I think it should happen? No.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: JIHawg on October 04, 2017, 09:38:37 am
Here's the solution.  Offer to play them in Little Rock, but the UA doesn't pay them any money.  That way, both sides get what they want.  The UA saves around a million dollars not having to pay an opponent, which covers their loss playing once a year in LR.  State gets to play UA, which is what they want.

LR peoples get a significant game every year.  Everybody wins.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 09:41:04 am
We need to play ASTATE in LR and put this dog to rest.
I concur DeltaBoy...the age old reasoning behind the "not in a million years" is old.  I get the fact that if A-State wins whatever Head Hog will be lambasted to no end but it will definitely keep Arkansas money in Arkansas.  I would bet you my paycheck that the game will sell-out every time with ALL ARKANSAS FOLKS!!! 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogmolar on October 04, 2017, 09:44:59 am
This is why as a country we are so divided.  We all know that it is never going to happen, yet almost weekly someone starts a thread saying crap like this.  We are not in control of the situation and it is clear the the people who are have decided to not play an in state game.  There it is done.   Quit trying to divide people by posting this crap.  Same can be true for everything else that is going on in this country.  We as a people do not have a respect for authority.  Whether you like them or not they are in the position to make the decisions so that is that.  The best part is if you don't like it then you have the right to choose to not follow the Razorbacks, there are plenty of other teams to root for that play in state games. Or even better part of this country work to put yourself in a position to be the one making the decisions and then you can do as you please. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 09:45:22 am
good will
Now you're not even trying.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 09:46:06 am
I'm a little surprised you can't see the reasoning behind why UA won't play AState. There is absolutely nothing to gain for Arkansas to play AState. Zero. No matter how entertaining that game would be to watch, it would do nothing but hurt the Hogs.

Like it was mentioned before. If UA wins big, the reaction is "Meh...they were suppose to." If UA wins with a marginal victory, the reaction is "Wow...did you see how well AState played and/or how poorly UA did vs the little bro." And if the stars aligned and AState BEAT the UA, the reaction would be unbelievably bad for the Hogs.

So, please tell me why in the world the UofA would WANT to play this game?

not only that but PAY ASU for the privilege

It amazes me how people can be on board with this and still call themselves hog fans.

Lets see i am going to engage in a lose lose situation and pay $750,000 to do it. ready go. WTH?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 09:47:51 am
Here's the solution.  Offer to play them in Little Rock, but the UA doesn't pay them any money.  That way, both sides get what they want.  The UA saves around a million dollars not having to pay an opponent, which covers their loss playing once a year in LR.  State gets to play UA, which is what they want.

LR peoples get a significant game every year.  Everybody wins.
Who pays for War Memorial? Who keeps the gate an concession money? Why would UA give up a money game to play this one for basically free?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 09:49:04 am
Who pays for War Memorial? Who keeps the gate an concession money? Why would UA give up a money game to play this one for basically free?

And where there are no positive outcomes for the UofA ? no matter the score, the excitement nothing would be a positive for the UofA. Only ASU has the ability to gain from this.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: SDZ_Hog on October 04, 2017, 09:55:06 am
I think we should play ASU, UCA , ATU and Cummings Unit Arkansas Department of Corrections.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: outlawhogeywells on October 04, 2017, 09:57:26 am
If it ever gets to the point of playing a State. then the game still needs to be in Fayetteville.  All home games need to be in Fayetteville.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 09:57:45 am
Who pays for War Memorial? Who keeps the gate an concession money? Why would UA give up a money game to play this one for basically free?

C'mon Hawg Marshal...Let's just say the game is scheduled at LRWMS both Universities would take part in paying for the venue and concessions will be divvied at "fair share".  We all know that the game is a pipe dream but there are (I believe ) more people state wide that would love to see this happen then there are folks who wouldn't.  Plus as I've seen in multiple posts about this, all revenue will stay in the state of Arkansas.  That's a win in my book.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 10:03:48 am
C'mon Hawg Marshal...Let's just say the game is scheduled at LRWMS both Universities would take part in paying for the venue and concessions will be divvied at "fair share".  We all know that the game is a pipe dream but there are (I believe ) more people state wide that would love to see this happen then there are folks who wouldn't.  Plus as I've seen in multiple posts about this, all revenue will stay in the state of Arkansas.  That's a win in my book.
UA would lose a lot of money in this scenario and ASU would make more money than they usually do. Come on man!lol
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 10:08:12 am
Here's the solution.  Offer to play them in Little Rock, but the UA doesn't pay them any money.  That way, both sides get what they want.  The UA saves around a million dollars not having to pay an opponent, which covers their loss playing once a year in LR.  State gets to play UA, which is what they want.

LR peoples get a significant game every year.  Everybody wins.

Why would you deny another 20,000+ the opportunity to watch the game?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: gchamblee on October 04, 2017, 10:08:37 am
I don't see why some fans are so insecure about playing Arkansas State.

haha. insecure, ya thats it.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: gchamblee on October 04, 2017, 10:09:48 am
lets hear your good reasons why the UA should not play AState, ...anybody...

Their 70 fans are annoying without playing them. It will only get worse if we do.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: gchamblee on October 04, 2017, 10:13:31 am
your good reasons:
1. the UA is afraid they might loss to AState
2. it would be like playing our sister

Admit it. You need this game to validate your glorified junior college. I dont get why you guys think getting your asses kicked would somehow make you more legitimate.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Piggfoot on October 04, 2017, 10:13:56 am
I have a good idea. Have them play in LR and not pay ASU. Have both teams split the rental. Have UofA donate the Million otherwise paid to rentawins to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.
Set up a section for Ambulatory Childrens patients to see the game like the Burls kids.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jcbville on October 04, 2017, 10:14:19 am
Jim Harris, "Start playing Arkansas State and fill up the stadium for these games."

The host, "Jeff Long doesn't like to play in state competition."

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh

What the hell? Blame Jeff Long is becoming the "Thanks Obama" meme of Razorback writers and fans. The refusal to play AState predates Jeff Long by many years.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: From Tusk Till Dawn on October 04, 2017, 10:16:06 am
I don't know that there was ever a time when FAMU or Alcorn St. were interesting.

Maybe youre from out of state...  I suppose it wasnt interesting when we played tulsa when malzahn was there either.  You might recall they were ranked and we were not. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: gchamblee on October 04, 2017, 10:16:20 am
i think its all in state money.  if fans consider AState is a little sister, as your post suggested, its the wrong analogy in my opinion.  AState is a D1 school. from our state.  keep the money in state.

If we pay 750k for some rent a win to come to the hill, and you go be someone else's rent a win for 750k, the money in state stays the same. The keeping the money in the state argument is crap.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:17:35 am
One more game in WMS:  Vandy next season.  Then we move on finally.  Will free us up to play in one of these season opening brand building games at a neutral site.  A game our players and recruits will look forward to playing and one some of our fans including those of us outside of the 1980s Arkansas fishbowl will get excited about.  Discussing playing ASt in WMS is dumb.  Almost like discussing getting the old SWC back together.  Won't have to worry about attendance or anything else in WMS. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 10:18:47 am
I am all for playing A-Sate, 9th week of the season, in Fayetteville, ASu gets the usual rent a win agreement and ticket allotment.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 10:22:12 am
Don't get me wrong, if the powers that be decided that they wanted the game, I'd get on board with it. But I understand why they don't want it, and I'm fine with it as it is.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 10:25:59 am
Don't get me wrong, if the powers that be decided that they wanted the game, I'd get on board with it. But I understand why they don't want it, and I'm fine with it as it is.

I wish we had a rule that said the Hogs could not play an ooc game with any team closer than 400 miles from campus. I am so tired of playing Texas teams. It is not helping recruiting, and playing ASu sure would not help recruiting at all. I mean it is not like we are losing any of the legit in state sec players to ASU, since that's only like 3 a year anyway so what if the Hogs did?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 10:27:10 am
I wish we had a rule that said the Hogs could not play an ooc game with any team closer than 400 miles from campus. I am so tired of playing Texas teams. It is not helping recruiting, and playing ASu sure would not help recruiting at all. I mean it is not like we are losing any of the legit in state sec players to ASU, since that's only like 3 a year anyway so what if the Hogs did?

you know i bet some Alabama fan said this same thing when talking about Auburn.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: farfromgroovins on October 04, 2017, 10:27:42 am
If you are scared of playing stAte, please remove Bama from the schedule.

Different sport, different era but Joe Kleine was on the Buzz one morning and this topic came up. He didn't understand all the politics involved until after his college days but he said he laughed at the thought of playing AState during his time here......we play Phi Slama Jama with Drexler and Olajuwon and you think we are afraid of you?!?!

Really I could care less if they played but I thought what he said was funny. I find it hard to see how if helps the Hogs any in recruiting.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:28:48 am
I am all for playing A-Sate, 9th week of the season, in Fayetteville, ASu gets the usual rent a win agreement and ticket allotment.

We will need to figure out that deer hunting season non conference game especially if we have a season where we have 7-8 RRS games.  I suspect though we will work to avoid having that many through home and home scheduling and another neutral site game.  I look fwd to our game vs an ACC opponent in the Mercedes Dome. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 10:32:37 am
We will need to figure out that deer hunting season non conference game especially if we have a season where we have 7-8 RRS games.  I suspect though we will work to avoid having that many through home and home scheduling and another neutral site game.  I look fwd to our game vs an ACC opponent in the Mercedes Dome. 

I was using week 9 as an example. I am sure ASU would want it week 1, so they have all off season to prepare for their one big shot, Like Boise used to do for their one big ooc game. I am sure ASU would demand it be in LR too.

Since you bring it up, great fan base that the schedule has to be world around deer season to draw a crowd. Deer season in Ar is like 5 months long, learn to use a bow.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 10:34:27 am
We will need to figure out that deer hunting season non conference game especially if we have a season where we have 7-8 RRS games.  I suspect though we will work to avoid having that many through home and home scheduling and another neutral site game.  I look fwd to our game vs an ACC opponent in the Mercedes Dome.

How about playing Iowa in Kansas City.  I think it would be fun to play in Arrowhead.

We might eventually move the AnM game back to campus.  We could play an old SWC foe in Dallas later in the season.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GolfnHog on October 04, 2017, 10:36:49 am
My solution if the Hogs ever end up playing Astate. Make it a neutral site game in Jerry's world and move the Aggies/Hogs back to the respective campuses.

Both schools in Jerry's World get to bring the money back to AR, the SEC game w/ the Aggies is on campus each year.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 10:38:55 am
How about playing Iowa in Kansas City.  I think it would be fun to play in Arrowhead.

We might eventually move the AnM game back to campus.  We could play an old SWC foe in Dallas later in the season.

what is with the fascination of playing old swc in Dallas? Is there something wrong with our on campus stadium? Do the other 120 teams in FBS have cooties so we do not want to play them? Or are our fans with football like most of the people in this state, stuck in 1937 forever?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: HoginMemphis on October 04, 2017, 10:38:56 am
Jim, per usual regarding Arkansas Razorback athletics, is correct.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:39:40 am
I was using week 9 as an example. I am sure ASU would want it week 1, so they have all off season to prepare for their one big shot, Like Boise used to do for their one big ooc game. I am sure ASU would demand it be in LR too.

Since you bring it up, great fan base that the schedule has to be world around deer season to draw a crowd. Deer season in Ar is like 5 months long, learn to use a bow.

I know.  But we both know if the Hogs aren't having a great season, the deer woods win out sometimes if the opponent isn't attractive.  Something to think about when scheduling that late season game. 

The ASU thing is dumb.  Again Arkansas fishbowl.  I know you agree.   Worse than the Texas obsession.  Instead of thinking progressively and bigger, we want to hold on to how things were and keep living those times.  Find a way to play in WMS.  Find a way to play old SWC opponents.  Reminds me of the lack of branding effort the basketball program has put into scheduling for the last several seasons where it is even less risky than 1 of 12 football games. 

Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 10:41:00 am
My solution if the Hogs ever end up playing Astate. Make it a neutral site game in Jerry's world and move the Aggies/Hogs back to the respective campuses.

Both schools in Jerry's World get to bring the money back to AR, the SEC game w/ the Aggies is on campus each year.

Jerry Jones would pull that contract quick.

He is not going to trade a game that sells at least 60k tickets for one that will sell at the most 40k tickets.

Razorbacks have a ton of alumni in Dallas but not enough to cover the lack of red pup fans anywhere.

jonesboro state gives tickets away at gas stations to get fans to attend their home games.

We would be better off playing North Texas or SMU in Dallas.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:41:30 am
How about playing Iowa in Kansas City.  I think it would be fun to play in Arrowhead.

We might eventually move the AnM game back to campus.  We could play an old SWC foe in Dallas later in the season.

I was thinking maybe Iowa or another B1G in St Louis as they need to find a use for that dome if it doesn't fall into disrepair.  Arrowhead is a great stadium but the playing surface has always been absolute crap. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 10:43:49 am
UA would lose a lot of money in this scenario and ASU would make more money than they usually do. Come on man!lol

C'mon maaaaaaan!!!  Please explain how the UofA would lose financially???  I know stAte would make out like thief in the night but I'm finding it hard to believe UofA would be in the red playing ASUjr. Ok, instead of yearly LRWMS what about a rotational DWRRS / Jonesboro / LRWMS series??? Just curious as to what comical smart butt retort that's coming...LOL   ;)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: redneckfriend on October 04, 2017, 10:46:58 am
lets hear your good reasons why the UA should not play AState, ...anybody...

The main reason not to play them is recruiting. It gives them a legitimacy with in-state recruits they don't presently have and there are not enough good in-state recruits for Arkansas to enable another competitor. Essentially if Arkansas plays A State they can say to east Arkansas recruits that they are on the same level as Arkansas. Although they are not in a P5 conference and the claim wouldn't be true it would be the beginning of a slippery slope to parity and Arkansas can't afford that- things are tough enough as it is in recruiting.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: lstewart on October 04, 2017, 10:54:08 am
If the Hogs and ASU played in Fayetteville, with ASU receiving the usual type non-power 5 payment, the Hogs would make about the standard revenue. Probably would sell 70,000 tickets. Would be more than the usual interest from the in state fans, at least the first few times they played. Eventually folks would be used to it, and it would not be that big a deal. The Hogs would not benefit from it in any way. ASU would get more publicity for a week or two than normal, and they would be a free shot every year to make a name for themselves. It would help ASU in recruiting, and could hurt the Hogs a little. So.... more interesting for the fans, benefit to ASU, nothing to gain for the Hogs. As a fan, I would rather watch the Hogs play ASU than some of the teams we play, but I completely understand why the Hogs are not interested.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jmark on October 04, 2017, 10:54:31 am
Now you're not even trying.

tuff crowd
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 10:55:10 am
C'mon maaaaaaan!!!  Please explain how the UofA would lose financially???  I know stAte would make out like thief in the night but I'm finding it hard to believe UofA would be in the red playing ASUjr. Ok, instead of yearly LRWMS what about a rotational DWRRS / Jonesboro / LRWMS series??? Just curious as to what comical smart butt retort that's coming...LOL   ;)
I don't know all of the financial numbers that go into UA football. But it just seems logical to me that if UA gives up half of the gate and concessions for a game in which they can get 100% of it at Fayetteville that UA would be losing money. I'm sure someone else here can break it down better than I could. No  "smart butt" retorts this time. I do enjoy the civil discourse.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:56:17 am
The main reason not to play them is recruiting. It gives them a legitimacy with in-state recruits they don't presently have and there are not enough good in-state recruits for Arkansas to enable another competitor. Essentially if Arkansas plays A State they can say to east Arkansas recruits that they are on the same level as Arkansas. Although they are not in a P5 conference and the claim wouldn't be true it would be the beginning of a slippery slope to parity and Arkansas can't afford that- things are tough enough as it is in recruiting.

$ - Currently, both programs are supported by Arkansans with some supporting both financially.  If we were to begin playing, and with how a small portion of A St fans act, you would see sides chosen.  A St fans already try and force sides.  Arkansas is too small of a state to divide the money and support.  I believe it would hurt A St much more than Arkansas if sides were chosen.  A St would be left to just what its fan base actually is and not those willing to support both.   


Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 10:57:08 am
The idea that jonesboro state would bring thousands of fans anywhere is laughable.  They can't fill up a 20k stadium:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3opUtiCIAIPryd.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 10:58:16 am
The idea that jonesboro state would bring thousands of fans anywhere is laughable.  They can't fill up a 20k stadium:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3opUtiCIAIPryd.jpg)
30,000 but you are correct.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 10:59:56 am
Arkansas high school football doesn't produce enough recruits for it to matter. 

Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 11:02:20 am
Arkansas pays NMSU a million to play, money going out of state. Nebraska pays ASU a million to play money coming into the state. Sounds like a push to me.

But under your scenario UA pays ASU a million  and it's a million out of UA coffers into ASU coffers . How does that help UA?

“Keep money in state” = does not math.


Or do dollars from Florida and Nebraska spend different than dollars from Fayetteville?
 

Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 11:03:00 am
$ - Currently, both programs are supported by Arkansans with some supporting both financially.  If we were to begin playing, and with how a small portion of A St fans act, you would see sides chosen.  A St fans already try and force sides.  Arkansas is too small of a state to divide the money and support.  I believe it would hurt A St much more than Arkansas if sides were chosen.  A St would be left to just what its fan base actually is and not those willing to support both.   

I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:03:05 am
“Keep money in state” = does not math.


Or do dollars from Florida and Nebraska spend different than dollars from Fayetteville?
 



"Keep money in state" = mass charity hand out to A-State.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 11:04:19 am
The main reason not to play them is recruiting. It gives them a legitimacy with in-state recruits they don't presently have and there are not enough good in-state recruits for Arkansas to enable another competitor. Essentially if Arkansas plays A State they can say to east Arkansas recruits that they are on the same level as Arkansas. Although they are not in a P5 conference and the claim wouldn't be true it would be the beginning of a slippery slope to parity and Arkansas can't afford that- things are tough enough as it is in recruiting.

Ok, I can buy this.  It's all about perception at that point. I still believe that if an in-state recruit had to choose between Hogs or Red Wolves they would choose Hogs solely based on overall aesthetics, resources available, better football facilities, more television time, and a chance to play in the SEC vice Sun Belt.  JMO
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:05:32 am
I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs

This is what i am saying when thinking of the rise of Auburn.  It is "possible" and if it happened the tiny pocket around A-state campus would become like another country and the feelings would be nasty and heated to say the least.

If you look at a fan map of Alabama the entire state is red except for the 20 mile circle around Auburn.
Why create an enemy in your own back yard when you can simply ignore them like you have for their entire existence.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 11:08:03 am
I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs
I live in Jonesboro and ASU fans have a real hatred for all things Razorback. But there are many, many Razorback fans here.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 11:08:30 am
People keep asking what good reason there is for U of A to play stAte.

The more appropriate question is what benefit does the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville receive from playing Arkansas State?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 11:09:52 am
30,000 but you are correct.

Since we are on the topic of stadiums...... let's talk expansions.

Since the announcement of the Razorbacks' stadium renovation/expansion, we have heard non-stop bitching. Despite being completely self-funded by ticket sales, donations, and that wonderful SEC check......people still want to bitch about what the Razorbacks do with their own money.

This past year, jonesboro state announced a stadium expansion/renovation of their own.  Where is the money coming from?  The red pups' athletic department is ran primarily off of subsidies and student fees.  If they can afford a stadium expansion then they need to quit stealing from their students via mandatory fees.  Why aren't the fiscal fans bitching about this waste of money?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:10:45 am
there isn't one so they resort to the strategy of "u must b skerid aint yas".
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 11:12:06 am
This is what i am saying when thinking of the rise of Auburn.  It is "possible" and if it happened the tiny pocket around A-state campus would become like another country and the feelings would be nasty and heated to say the least.

If you look at a fan map of Alabama the entire state is red except for the 20 mile circle around Auburn.
Why create an enemy in your own back yard when you can simply ignore them like you have for their entire existence.

AU was an original member of the SEC when it was formed in 1932.  Not a comparable situation to what A St is.

I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs

Like many of us, I had family and friends who attended A St.  Went to countless events including football and basketball games.  I've tried the last several years to maintain my soft spot for them but it just isn't there anymore due to this faction's behavior.   Jealousy is strong.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:23:45 am
AU was an original member of the SEC when it was formed in 1932.  Not a comparable situation to what A St is.

Like many of us, I had family and friends who attended A St.  Went to countless events including football and basketball games.  I've tried the last several years to maintain my soft spot for them but it just isn't there anymore due to this faction's behavior.   Jealousy is strong.

I know the schools are not comparable but the fan base division "over time" is more my point.  If UA and ASU played tomorrow and it was even "close" so would begin the long process of "division".
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jkstock04 on October 04, 2017, 11:26:31 am
Here's the solution.  Offer to play them in Little Rock, but the UA doesn't pay them any money.  That way, both sides get what they want.  The UA saves around a million dollars not having to pay an opponent, which covers their loss playing once a year in LR.  State gets to play UA, which is what they want.

LR peoples get a significant game every year.  Everybody wins.
This sounds like an excellent compromise.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: phadedhawg on October 04, 2017, 11:32:59 am
If getting rid of Jeff Long is all it took to get ASU on the schedule then lets do it!  I am among the group who aren't yelling for his head but carrying on Frank's antiquated notion of who the UA is too good to play is a black mark on his administration. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 11:37:40 am
Like many of us, I had family and friends who attended A St.  Went to countless events including football and basketball games.  I've tried the last several years to maintain my soft spot for them but it just isn't there anymore due to this faction's behavior.   Jealousy is strong.

Which makes our stance great.  Let them scream, kick, and cry. Ignore them.

Ignore them...... and occasionally laugh at their pettiness:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJvMSXWVwAAhrfY.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 11:40:36 am
AU was an original member of the SEC when it was formed in 1932.  Not a comparable situation to what A St is.

Like many of us, I had family and friends who attended A St.  Went to countless events including football and basketball games.  I've tried the last several years to maintain my soft spot for them but it just isn't there anymore due to this faction's behavior.   Jealousy is strong.

I am a ASU grad, and I wish they had stayed 1aa ( now fcs ). They are just another program pretending to be FBS level.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on October 04, 2017, 11:43:00 am
Which makes our stance great.  Let them scream, kick, and cry. Ignore them.

Ignore them...... and occasionally laugh at their pettiness:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJvMSXWVwAAhrfY.jpg)
Side note: They ended up leaving the Razorback  Punch on the menu after an outcry from Razorback fans.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: MTBrookHog on October 04, 2017, 11:45:40 am
No one is scared of playing them. There's legitimately no benefit in playing them.

I'm also not sure you understand how conferences and divisions work in regards to scheduling.
Then please explain the legitimacy in playing all the other Sun Belt teams.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 11:46:44 am
Side note: They ended up leaving the Razorback  Punch on the menu after an outcry from Razorback fans.

The Razorback fans and rep pup fans need to play a game in jonesboro's stadium.  They can call it the Punch Bowl.

Whoever wins keeps their punch on the menu.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: navyhog24 on October 04, 2017, 11:48:01 am
Hey, I was hoping it would inspire the GIF Masters to make an appearance.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/didntread.gif)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:50:12 am
Then please explain the legitimacy in playing all the other Sun Belt teams.
rent-a-wins

notsureifserious
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: TrueBlue on October 04, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Then please explain the legitimacy in playing all the other Sun Belt teams.

Exactly.

NO ONE can argue this point. The only ones that hold onto the "what do we have to gain by playing A-State?" are the left-overs from the Frank Broyles mentality - they are too scared they will lose the fan base.

I guess by that reasoning, we have lost fans to ULM, Toledo, Citadel, etc....   

If you are not scared, then add the local "cupcake".
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 11:52:43 am
Then please explain the legitimacy in playing all the other Sun Belt teams.

So no benefit.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 11:54:14 am
Exactly.

NO ONE can argue this point. The only ones that hold onto the "what do we have to gain by playing A-State?" are the left-overs from the Frank Broyles mentality - they are too scared they will lose the fan base.

I guess by that reasoning, we have lost fans to ULM, Toledo, Citadel, etc....   

If you are not scared, then add the local "cupcake".

Im sorry but you have to be dense to believe this.

I mean you answered your own question.  The UofA books these teams because they mean nothing to the state of Arkansas.  The tiny fan base of the Citadel isn't going to camp out on Hogville for an eternity because they won a game back in the 90's i can promise you if that was ASU we would still be hearing about it.
There are no big money boosters backing the Citadel or at risk of changing allegiances etc. so many reasons i do not even have time to explain them all, it is what you would call "common sense".

 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 11:58:56 am
Exactly.

NO ONE can argue this point. The only ones that hold onto the "what do we have to gain by playing A-State?" are the left-overs from the Frank Broyles mentality - they are too scared they will lose the fan base.

I guess by that reasoning, we have lost fans to ULM, Toledo, Citadel, etc....   

If you are not scared, then add the local "cupcake".

Broyles was about gaining/winning.  Gaining as much support as possible and keeping it as in those days the UA had to have it.  So he kept the UA's policy in place.  Times have changed. 

Not much for the UA to gain or lose IMO.  UA enrollment is nearly twice that of ASU - 27K(23 UG) to 14K ASU.  Much of the growth has come from out of state expanding our alumni base and thus support.  We have SEC money coming in.  Playing ASU now doesn't come with the risks it did when Broyles continued the Hogs' policy started before he came to Arkansas.

I don't want to see the game even if in RRS.  Non starter for me to even discuss WMS.  Has nothing to do with gaining or losing anything. 


Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: chiti66 on October 04, 2017, 12:00:14 pm
Georgia plays GTech.....and Georgia Southern.  They have played GSU 6 times since 1992....and won all 6 times.  I am all for a UA/ASU game, think it could do a lot for the fans (some fans).

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-georgia-southern-series-not-for-awhile

Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 12:00:50 pm
I'd rather play nothing but P5 teams.

I don't think it's feasible with scheduling and money but there are plenty of local P5 teams (Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State.... etc.) to where we could play nothing but P5 schools.

We should at least try and eliminate scheduling FCS and Sunbelt schools.

If we are going to play G5 programs they need to be from the AAC.  Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, and Houston are all good programs we should play more often.  The best part about those programs is that we could schedule games across multiple sports and get good series.  All of those schools play football and basketball at a respectable level.  jonesboro state ..... not so much.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 12:01:24 pm
Georgia plays GTech.....and Georgia Southern.  They have played GSU 6 times since 1992....and won all 6 times.  I am all for a UA/ASU game, think it could do a lot for the fans (some fans).

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-georgia-southern-series-not-for-awhile



Small problem here is that more people live in Atlanta then the entire state of Arkansas.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 12:02:59 pm
Broyles was about gaining/winning.  Gaining as much support as possible and keeping it as in those days the UA had to have it.  So he kept the UA's policy in place.  Times have changed. 

Not much for the UA to gain or lose IMO.  UA enrollment is nearly twice that of ASU - 27K(23 UG) to 14K ASU.  Much of the growth has come from out of state expanding our alumni base and thus support.  We have SEC money coming in.  Playing ASU now doesn't come with the risks it did when Broyles continued the Hogs' policy started before he came to Arkansas.

I don't want to see the game even if in RRS.  Non starter for me to even discuss WMS.  Has nothing to do with gaining or losing anything. 




there are still not enough resources in the state to support 2 legit P5 schools.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: East Clintwood on October 04, 2017, 12:05:51 pm
.  .  .

Jim Harris, "There's an opening at Nebraska that Jeff Long needs to check in to."


Bruh




That much I agree with.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 12:06:03 pm
Georgia plays GTech.....and Georgia Southern.  They have played GSU 6 times since 1992....and won all 6 times.  I am all for a UA/ASU game, think it could do a lot for the fans (some fans).

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-georgia-southern-series-not-for-awhile



What would it do for them?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 12:06:14 pm
I'd rather play nothing but P5 teams.

I don't think it's feasible with scheduling and money but there are plenty of local P5 teams (Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State.... etc.) to where we could play nothing but P5 schools.

We should at least try and eliminate scheduling FCS and Sunbelt schools.

If we are going to play G5 programs they need to be from the AAC.  Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, and Houston are all good programs we should play more often.  The best part about those programs is that we could schedule games across multiple sports and get good series.  All of those schools play football and basketball at a respectable level.  jonesboro state ..... not so much.

I'm good with the weeks "off" these games usually bring.  At least 2 a year of FCS and lowest level FBS is good with me.  Too much of a mental and physical toll and limited practice time to put more on an Arkansas team.  No reason to do so and until required by the SEC or NCAA for some reason. 

I do like the Col St addition and would like to see more of these kinds of trips for our 3rd or 4th OOC game along with the previously discussed occasional neutral site brand builder. 
Title: A new twist on Arkansas vs Arkansas St.
Post by: Piggfoot on October 04, 2017, 12:08:16 pm
Forget about WMS. Play the game in Fayetteville. Pay ASU for their travel. Pay UofA for their Stadium Expenses and Concessions. Issue a special tax deductible ticket.
Pay the UofA and Ark St a nominal playing expense. Use the tax deductible portion of the ticket to support Arkansas Childrens Hospital both in Fayetteville And Little Rock.
Donate 500 to 1000 tickets to Arkansas public schools to take Students to the game.
Make it an afternoon game.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 12:08:39 pm
there are still not enough resources in the state to support 2 legit P5 schools.

It won't be split evenly.  Not concerned it would ever be.  I could see football being banned before the time came A St support inside Arkansas would be detrimental to the Hogs football program. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 12:09:50 pm
If a game with A State offered the University of Arkansas anything it wanted that it could not get more easily from another vendor then it would happen. But as evidenced by three pages of this thread, A State has yet to present any such incentive to the University.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 12:13:22 pm
Then please explain the legitimacy in playing all the other Sun Belt teams.

Did I ever say there was a legitimate reason to play other Sun Belt teams?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 12:20:04 pm
Small problem here is that more people live in Atlanta then the entire state of Arkansas.

and G-Tech is also in a p5 league.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 12:21:11 pm
In the year 2100 i Can predict the 3 most active threads on Hogville will be a GSD/ASu debate. a HDn thread, and a Long did not have to fire Bp thread.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 12:24:03 pm
Ok, I can buy this.  It's all about perception at that point. I still believe that if an in-state recruit had to choose between Hogs or Red Wolves they would choose Hogs solely based on overall aesthetics, resources available, better football facilities, more television time, and a chance to play in the SEC vice Sun Belt.  JMO

I think the biggest effect it would have in recruiting would be on Arkansas’s ability to take a “wait and see” or “slow play” approach to making scholarship offers with in-state recruits that are not clear studs.

 It saying it would have a large effect but, particularly if Arkansas regularly played State, it would allow State to go after those same guys with a pitch based around U of A not thinking the player is good enough and if you come here you can show them how wrong they are in our game against them type stuff.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 12:25:32 pm
If getting rid of Jeff Long is all it took to get ASU on the schedule then lets do it!  I am among the group who aren't yelling for his head but carrying on Frank's antiquated notion of who the UA is too good to play is a black mark on his administration. 

A black mark how and in the eyes of whom?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 12:30:37 pm
A black mark how and in the eyes of whom?

the 4 people who keep this going on hogville because they only know how to pats about playing ASU and Jeff Long.

wonder how busy Hogville would be if all mentions of ASU/ Little Rock games, HDN, and BP were banned.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: bphi11ips on October 04, 2017, 12:45:01 pm
Why would you deny another 20,000+ the opportunity to watch the game?

You are assuming either a one-off contract or that an annual game would be played in Fayetteville every year.  ASU might agree to one game in Fayetteville without return, but it isn't likely to agree to a game there every year.  Home-and-home would be the scenario.  If we are talking hypotheticals, the sum of DWRRS and Centennial Stadium is almost exactly the same as twice the capacity of WMS.  In other words, an annual game in Little Rock would allow almost exactly the same number of fans to attend the game over time as a home-and-home series.

The truth is that an annual ASU-UA matchup in Little Rock would be good for Arkansas and Arkansas football as a whole.  However, UA has little incentive to schedule the series and plenty to lose.  I've posted numbers many times for the schools' endowments.  UA's is ten times ASU's. By contrast, Ole Miss's endowment is only about 1.3 times Mississippi State's. What might that say about football being the front porch of a university - especially large flagship universities?

The only possible benefit to Arkansas of an annual game in Little Rock is the hope that such a game might improve high school football in an area that is underproducing at historic levels.  The potential there is too tenuous to outweigh the risk of diminished statewide support. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 12:46:21 pm
the 4 people who keep this going on hogville because they only know how to pats about playing ASU and Jeff Long.

wonder how busy Hogville would be if all mentions of ASU/ Little Rock games, HDN, and BP were banned.

it would make for a very boring day hogsanity
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: chiti66 on October 04, 2017, 12:49:51 pm
Forget about WMS. Play the game in Fayetteville. Pay ASU for their travel. Pay UofA for their Stadium Expenses and Concessions. Issue a special tax deductible ticket.
Pay the UofA and Ark St a nominal playing expense. Use the tax deductible portion of the ticket to support Arkansas Childrens Hospital both in Fayetteville And Little Rock.
Donate 500 to 1000 tickets to Arkansas public schools to take Students to the game.
Make it an afternoon game.

All in!!!
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 12:55:39 pm
I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs

Nah, they have message board warriors just as we do. I live in Jonesboro, lots of vehicles with both emblems on them. I passed numerous cars coming up for the TCU game that had an ASU license plate or sticker in the back that had a car full of people with Hog shirts on. Also, we can't play, there are countless front license plates that have the "House Divided" with both schools, just think how high the divorce rate would go up if they played.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 12:56:23 pm

The only possible benefit to Arkansas of an annual game in Little Rock is the hope that such a game might improve high school football in an area that is underproducing at historic levels.  The potential there is too tenuous to outweigh the risk of diminished statewide support.

This is definitely one of the most accurate posts in this topic.  Kids having a chance to experience this would gravitate back towards football IMO.  There was a time where kids started to find their niche' in the junior high school level and honed their skillset in the HS level. Heck, even at the JHS level, kids were recognized for their play on the field by making an "All-Conference" team and that followed on into the HS level with All-Conference and All-State recognition.  I can say schools within Pulaski County are not producing the talent of years ago and you can pretty much add in the entire state for conversation purposes.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 12:59:04 pm
Nah, they have message board warriors just as we do. I live in Jonesboro, lots of vehicles with both emblems on them. I passed numerous cars coming up for the TCU game that had an ASU license plate or sticker in the back that had a car full of people with Hog shirts on. Also, we can't play, there are countless front license plates that have the "House Divided" with both schools, just think how high the divorce rate would go up if they played.

The pre-game trash talking would be absolutely awesome but would make for a quiet dinner conversation for the loser!  ;)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 01:07:53 pm
You are assuming either a one-off contract or that an annual game would be played in Fayetteville every year.  ASU might agree to one game in Fayetteville without return, but it isn't likely to agree to a game there every year.  Home-and-home would be the scenario.  If we are talking hypotheticals, the sum of DWRRS and Centennial Stadium is almost exactly the same as twice the capacity of WMS.  In other words, an annual game in Little Rock would allow almost exactly the same number of fans to attend the game over time as a home-and-home series.

The truth is that an annual ASU-UA matchup in Little Rock would be good for Arkansas and Arkansas football as a whole.  However, UA has little incentive to schedule the series and plenty to lose.  I've posted numbers many times for the schools' endowments.  UA's is ten times ASU's. By contrast, Ole Miss's endowment is only about 1.3 times Mississippi State's. What might that say about football being the front porch of a university - especially large flagship universities?

The only possible benefit to Arkansas of an annual game in Little Rock is the hope that such a game might improve high school football in an area that is underproducing at historic levels.  The potential there is too tenuous to outweigh the risk of diminished statewide support. 

Oh good Lord, not this again......if ASU wants to play bad enough, they will come to Fayetteville, "rent a win" schools don't get to dictate terms. I realize you'd do anything to keep football games at WMS, but that ship is leaving the port next year.

As to LR and football, the kids that want to play will go the LRPR, Central, or NLR. And those with either the means, or the talent will go to a private school.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 01:08:36 pm

The only possible benefit to Arkansas of an annual game in Little Rock is the hope that such a game might improve high school football in an area that is underproducing at historic levels.  The potential there is too tenuous to outweigh the risk of diminished statewide support. 


Seriously? You do know the underperformance of football in LR has much more to do with lack of funds, lack of parental involvement, lack of discipline, white flight and about 200 other reasons of much more importance than the Hogs playing ASu in LR.

Lord some of you just have to be playing a character, you can't believe the things you type.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 01:21:45 pm
Seriously? You do know the underperformance of football in LR has much more to do with lack of funds, lack of parental involvement, lack of discipline, white flight and about 200 other reasons of much more importance than the Hogs playing ASu in LR.

Lord some of you just have to be playing a character, you can't believe the things you type.

Well to be fair to him it may POSSIBLY have SIME benefit in that respect, but you are correct. Interest in football on the part of students is faaaaarrrrrr from the biggest problem for high school football in central Arkansas.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 01:30:22 pm
Seriously? You do know the underperformance of football in LR has much more to do with lack of funds, lack of parental involvement, lack of discipline, white flight and about 200 other reasons of much more importance than the Hogs playing ASu in LR.

Lord some of you just have to be playing a character, you can't believe the things you type.

hogsanity - I've been out of state for sometime and lost contact with HS football Pulaski Co...I have a former teammate now coaching at Jacksonville HS but didn't get the feel that he has kids that are P5 talent, possibly at the NAIA/AIC level or whatever they call it now.  What happened to the LR/NLR/Jacksonville/Sylvan Hills/Cabot schools producing top HS talent and what in the world is "white flight"???  Please enlighten me bruh... ???

Thanks
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 01:31:21 pm
hogsanity - I've been out of state for sometime and lost contact with HS football Pulaski Co...I have a former teammate now coaching at Jacksonville HS but didn't get the feel that he has kids that are P5 talent, possibly at the NAIA/AIC level or whatever they call it now.  What happened to the LR/NLR/Jacksonville/Sylvan Hills/Cabot schools producing top HS talent and what in the world is "white flight"???  Please enlighten me bruh... ???

Thanks

You really don't know? 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 01:35:12 pm
hogsanity - I've been out of state for sometime and lost contact with HS football Pulaski Co...I have a former teammate now coaching at Jacksonville HS but didn't get the feel that he has kids that are P5 talent, possibly at the NAIA/AIC level or whatever they call it now.  What happened to the LR/NLR/Jacksonville/Sylvan Hills/Cabot schools producing top HS talent and what in the world is "white flight"???  Please enlighten me bruh... ???

Thanks

Cabot has their first D-1 athlete play at Arkansas, maybe ever. The other kids are still playing, just not at Parkview, McClellan, or even Central these days. NLR has had D-1 talent, not sure Sylvan Hills ever has.

As to "white flight", that's people with the means moving outside the LRSD, it started as "whites" moving to Cabot, Conway, Benton, or Bryant, now it's anyone that can move.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: bphi11ips on October 04, 2017, 01:38:34 pm
Oh good Lord, not this again......if ASU wants to play bad enough, they will come to Fayetteville, "rent a win" schools don't get to dictate terms. I realize you'd do anything to keep football games at WMS, but that ship is leaving the port next year.

As to LR and football, the kids that want to play will go the LRPR, Central, or NLR. And those with either the means, or the talent will go to a private school.

Read my entire post. Your view is myopic. Mine isn’t.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 01:43:02 pm
Cabot has their first D-1 athlete play at Arkansas, maybe ever. The other kids are still playing, just not at Parkview, McClellan, or even Central these days. NLR has had D-1 talent, not sure Sylvan Hills ever has.

As to "white flight", that's people with the means moving outside the LRSD, it started as "whites" moving to Cabot, Conway, Benton, or Bryant, now it's anyone that can move.

ricepig appreciate the insight.  Didn't know LR schools have diminished that much in football.  I graduated in 1988 and between my HS and the LR/NLR schools players were receiving offers from D-1 schools down to NAIA schools.  There was enough talent to supplement the UofA and the other Universities within the state. 

As far as "white flight" goes, didn't know LR (Central Arkansas) has gotten that bad where people are moving away to other counties.  That in itself will decrease revenue, students and athletes that attended these schools that were historically known for pushing out big time athletes...What a shame... :o
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 01:48:11 pm
ricepig appreciate the insight.  Didn't know LR schools have diminished that much in football.  I graduated in 1988 and between my HS and the LR/NLR schools players were receiving offers from D-1 schools down to NAIA schools.  There was enough talent to supplement the UofA and the other Universities within the state. 

As far as "white flight" goes, didn't know LR (Central Arkansas) has gotten that bad where people are moving away to other counties.  That in itself will decrease revenue, students and athletes that attended these schools that were historically known for pushing out big time athletes...What a shame... :o

Heard a rumor recently, and I freely admit it is a rumor that LR Hall and McClellan will be combined into one HS because of falling attendance and budget constraints.

Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: bphi11ips on October 04, 2017, 01:48:20 pm
Seriously? You do know the underperformance of football in LR has much more to do with lack of funds, lack of parental involvement, lack of discipline, white flight and about 200 other reasons of much more importance than the Hogs playing ASu in LR.

Lord some of you just have to be playing a character, you can't believe the things you type.

Hah! Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. I never knew you were an ASU grad. That explains an awful lot.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 01:54:34 pm
Hah! Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. I never knew you were an ASU grad. That explains an awful lot.

Never stepped foot on their campus, went through the program they had at UAFS ( West ark at the time ). Went there because it was free. What did I say about the LRSD that was erroneous?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 02:03:14 pm
Read my entire post. Your view is myopic. Mine isn’t.

No, you just have an over creative immigration, and a fixation on a downtrodden stadium.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 02:04:58 pm
Heard a rumor recently, and I freely admit it is a rumor that LR Hall and McClellan will be combined into one HS because of falling attendance and budget constraints.



http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/oct/03/school-district-starts-on-gryphons-home/
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 02:05:33 pm
Heard a rumor recently, and I freely admit it is a rumor that LR Hall and McClellan will be combined into one HS because of falling attendance and budget constraints.

Well that explains a lot.  LR schools (Central, McClellan, Parkview, Hall, LR Catholic, JT Robinson) were known for big time football players; NLR (Ole Main and Northeast in my day) also produced quite a bit of talent as did Jacksonville.  That's partially why I believe a game in LRWMS with Hogs vs. stAte might revive that and the district can become a football hotbed again that produces some great players that move on to the next level - Becoming Razorbacks!!!  I guess from what I'm reading from you guys that it's too far gone...
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 02:07:48 pm
No, you just have an over creative immigration, and a fixation on a downtrodden stadium.

If I painted a mural on a hot air balloon and flew it into Canada would that qualify as over creative immigration?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: phadedhawg on October 04, 2017, 02:09:51 pm
A black mark how and in the eyes of whom?

In my eyes it's a black mark to carry on Broyles's antiquated thinking about how the UA is too good to play ASU.  Jeff Long has done a great job modernizing Arkansas and it's kind of odd to hold on to a relic of yesteryear with the ASU ban.  I'm personally fine with Jeff Long saying athletic director and I'm not looking for him to be pushed out the door.  However, it's time to bury the one state, one team myth along with WMS. 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 02:10:07 pm
Well that explains a lot.  LR schools (Central, McClellan, Parkview, Hall, LR Catholic, JT Robinson) were known for big time football players; NLR (Ole Main and Northeast in my day) also produced quite a bit of talent as did Jacksonville.  That's partially why I believe a game in LRWMS with Hogs vs. stAte might revive that and the district can become a football hotbed again that produces some great players that move on to the next level - Becoming Razorbacks!!!  I guess from what I'm reading from you guys that it's too far gone...

I too graduated in 88 and I remember the talent level the LR schools had. LRSD is a travesty now.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: The NewEra on October 04, 2017, 02:14:08 pm
Maybe Jim needs to check in on the opening at the Jonesboro Sun?

I suspect they have already rejected him.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: jvanhorn on October 04, 2017, 02:14:52 pm
When malzahn was there it may have been interesting but not now.

Somewhere down the line playing UCA may get to be just as interesting as playing Arkansas State.  You can't stop change.  Things will be different. It is simply a question of when.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: MountieDawg on October 04, 2017, 02:18:47 pm
Name a game they have given 15,000 tickets away, of course, I'm speaking of the University of Arkansas, not ASU as they have......

Do you have any idea how many tickets they give or sell at a super reduced price to the Walmarts, JB Hunts, Tysons, etc to try and fill up the stands... There are many basketball games they cant give away tickets to anyone.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 02:18:53 pm
In my eyes it's a black mark to carry on Broyles's antiquated thinking about how the UA is too good to play ASU.  Jeff Long has done a great job modernizing Arkansas and it's kind of odd to hold on to a relic of yesteryear with the ASU ban.  I'm personally fine with Jeff Long saying athletic director and I'm not looking for him to be pushed out the door.  However, it's time to bury the one state, one team myth along with WMS. 

It’s a business not a neighborhood association. Choosing not to do business with potential competitors is not a statement that you are “too good” for something, it’s just wise resource allocation.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on October 04, 2017, 02:19:14 pm
I too graduated in 88 and I remember the talent level the LR schools had. LRSD is a travesty now.

That sucks. I was wondering why you don't see or hear of many (if any) Hog starters / players out of LRSD...Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 02:23:02 pm
.. There are many basketball games they cant give away tickets to anyone.


Ah great, you just invited the Mike Anderson PR group to the party.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: East Clintwood on October 04, 2017, 02:40:05 pm
It won't be split evenly.  Not concerned it would ever be.  I could see football being banned before the time came A St support inside Arkansas would be detrimental to the Hogs football program. 

Since the UoA has decided to abandoned the fans in the rest of the state, support for ASU (and P5 schools in border states) has been growing.  If they were to play each other, especially if ASU was at all competitive, the support would grow rapidly to the point it would hurt the Razorbacks.
oA has
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on October 04, 2017, 02:47:49 pm
Since the UoA has decided to abandoned the fans in the rest of the state, support for ASU (and P5 schools in border states) has been growing.  If they were to play each other, especially if ASU was at all competitive, the support would grow rapidly to the point it would hurt the Razorbacks.
oA has

You feel abandoned but mock Bielema in another thread for being soft? 
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: East Clintwood on October 04, 2017, 03:04:22 pm
You feel abandoned but mock Bielema in another thread for being soft? 

The only reason I feel abandoned is because Jeff Long doesn't place any importance on winning.

I think they should have dropped the LR games several years ago when they moved the LSU game to Fayetteville.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Seebs on October 04, 2017, 03:07:26 pm
So much wrong with this thread it is mind-boggling.

ASU is the participant in the parade that cleans up behind the elephants with a scoop and broom but wants to  be judged with the bands and floats on equal footing.
You are a fledgling school with leftover athletes that were either grade risks or transfers.  Your coaches tend to stay one or two years and move on to real jobs. Your relevance reaches from Pocahontas to New Madrid. NE Arkansas' top HS players do not even consider ASU because it is too low of an institution to consider consideration. 
Having Jim Harris as your advocate is like having Kevin Hart as your NBA center.  It gets some laughs but in the end will get you a loss.

I attended an old AIC school. We know where we stand and I am a fan of both institutions. We know our place. ASU can never, ever compete with the University of Arkansas on any level within the state of Arkansas. It is pitiful to think that Arkansas State lauds itself as anything close to being relevant and deserving a seat at a P5 table.

As for you salty ASU advocates. Butthurt is your moniker. Why not us? We need the money! We have a chance. Good for you. Continue to re-tweet supermodel's twitters in hopes of securing an intimate conversation with them and eloping to Bimini. Fantasy.

UCA has surpassed ASU as far as second fiddle in Arkansas. True story. They do now cry and bemoan that they do not play Arkansas. They simply enjoy their success and continue to grow. ASU fan, be less bitter and lose the flase sense of entitlement and stay up in the corner where you still are second to the Razorbacks - as much as that hurts you.

The Razorbacks are the newborn baby. ASU is the episiotomy - always  will be.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 03:43:49 pm
Since the UoA has decided to abandoned the fans in the rest of the state, support for ASU (and P5 schools in border states) has been growing.  If they were to play each other, especially if ASU was at all competitive, the support would grow rapidly to the point it would hurt the Razorbacks.
oA has

Support for ASU has not been growing.  If it has then they wouldn't be taking our tax money (subsidies) and stealing from students to pay for their athletics.

You feel abandoned but mock Bielema in another thread for being soft? 

Some of the biggest complainers are limp wristed titty babies.

They trash the team, the coaches, the program for being "soft" but cry about not playing games in their back yard.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: TrueBlue on October 04, 2017, 06:12:38 pm
Im sorry but you have to be dense to believe this.

I mean you answered your own question.  The UofA books these teams because they mean nothing to the state of Arkansas.  The tiny fan base of the Citadel isn't going to camp out on Hogville for an eternity because they won a game back in the 90's i can promise you if that was ASU we would still be hearing about it.
There are no big money boosters backing the Citadel or at risk of changing allegiances etc. so many reasons i do not even have time to explain them all, it is what you would call "common sense".

 

Dense? And you're an arse-wipe. And probably just a punk that knows no better.

And you have no reasonings - so don't attack me. Razorbacks are scared that they might slip up one of these years and lose to A-State - which they will not want to happen.

Keep scheduling the Toledo's of the world - they will beat you every few years with CBB at the helm, you can bank on it.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: TrueBlue on October 04, 2017, 06:14:27 pm
So much wrong with this thread it is mind-boggling.

ASU is the participant in the parade that cleans up behind the elephants with a scoop and broom but wants to  be judged with the bands and floats on equal footing.
You are a fledgling school with leftover athletes that were either grade risks or transfers.  Your coaches tend to stay one or two years and move on to real jobs. Your relevance reaches from Pocahontas to New Madrid. NE Arkansas' top HS players do not even consider ASU because it is too low of an institution to consider consideration. 
Having Jim Harris as your advocate is like having Kevin Hart as your NBA center.  It gets some laughs but in the end will get you a loss.

I attended an old AIC school. We know where we stand and I am a fan of both institutions. We know our place. ASU can never, ever compete with the University of Arkansas on any level within the state of Arkansas. It is pitiful to think that Arkansas State lauds itself as anything close to being relevant and deserving a seat at a P5 table.

As for you salty ASU advocates. Butthurt is your moniker. Why not us? We need the money! We have a chance. Good for you. Continue to re-tweet supermodel's twitters in hopes of securing an intimate conversation with them and eloping to Bimini. Fantasy.

UCA has surpassed ASU as far as second fiddle in Arkansas. True story. They do now cry and bemoan that they do not play Arkansas. They simply enjoy their success and continue to grow. ASU fan, be less bitter and lose the flase sense of entitlement and stay up in the corner where you still are second to the Razorbacks - as much as that hurts you.

The Razorbacks are the newborn baby. ASU is the episiotomy - always  will be.

Haha.

If ASU is what is sweeping up after the elephants, right now with CBB at the helm, the Razorbacks are what is being swept up. Truth. 

Oh, but now since we beat New Mexico State, we are going to win 8 or 9 games. Hogville definitely has some nice drugs.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: snoblind on October 04, 2017, 06:29:28 pm
Worth not playing them just to see these threads 2-3 times/year with all the whining.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Seebs on October 04, 2017, 06:33:55 pm
Haha.

If ASU is what is sweeping up after the elephants, right now with CBB at the helm, the Razorbacks are what is being swept up. Truth. 

Oh, but now since we beat New Mexico State, we are going to win 8 or 9 games. Hogville definitely has some nice drugs.


Coaches come and go. I am talking about institutions, legacy, tradition, etc., Don't be a  turd burglar
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 04, 2017, 06:47:40 pm
Coaches come and go. I am talking about institutions, legacy, tradition, etc., Don't be a  turd burglar

Wasted effort, all games in LR, and only with BP as the coach.....
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 04, 2017, 06:56:41 pm
Since the UoA has decided to abandoned the fans in the rest of the state, support for ASU (and P5 schools in border states) has been growing.  If they were to play each other, especially if ASU was at all competitive, the support would grow rapidly to the point it would hurt the Razorbacks.
oA has

Really they did that? Dang I live out of state and didn't get that memo......................
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: LZH on October 04, 2017, 07:07:17 pm
I think most (80%) of Hog fans support and want jonesboro state to do well.  It's the exact opposite with their fans.

If Hog fans truly knew how envious and nasty the red pup fans are they would change their mind fast.

Their fans have made fun of Canaan Sandy and had a horrible thread saying good riddance when Frank Broyles died.

They even trashed their own QB, Freddi Knighten, when he tweeted support for the Razorbacks in the Texas Bowl.  #WeHogs

Welp, maybe there's our 'natural' rivalry. I've always wanted to see them play, however I do understand the current thinking. And WMS would be great btw but $$$ is an issue.

I'd be all for moving the Mizzou game up and play ASU on Thanksgiving weekend. It wouldn't create much buzz nationally (as if last year's Mizzou game was a must-watch), but I'd bet 3/4 of regular homegrown Joe Blow couch tater football fans would like to see it happen somehow.

I think it would be fun. Arkansas may be one of - if not the last - school to play all home games on campus,  but we are one of the few (if any) that won't play another in-state team.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 07:09:03 pm
but we are one of the few (if any) that won't play another in-state team.

http://gridironnow.com/alabama-ad-reaffirms-tide-wont-play-in-state-schools-out-of-conference-but-why/

If Auburn wasn't in the SEC they wouldn't play them either.

Real easy solution for jonesboro state - get invited to join the SEC.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 07:10:48 pm
http://gridironnow.com/alabama-ad-reaffirms-tide-wont-play-in-state-schools-out-of-conference-but-why/

If Auburn wasn't in the SEC they wouldn't play them either.

Real easy solution for jonesboro state - get invited to join the SEC.

I was about to say, get them in a P5 conference first, then let's come back and talk about it.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: factchecker on October 04, 2017, 07:19:23 pm
I was about to say, get them in a P5 conference first, then let's come back and talk about it.

They are 1-72 vs. P5 conferences:

0-3 vs. ACC
0-9 vs. BIG 10
1-13 vs. BIG 12 (AnM was in BIG 12 at the time)
0-2 vs. PAC 12
0-45 vs. SEC  (I think they have a win against Ole Miss in the 20s but it doesn't list it)

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/arkst/index.shtml
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: LZH on October 04, 2017, 07:20:30 pm
http://gridironnow.com/alabama-ad-reaffirms-tide-wont-play-in-state-schools-out-of-conference-but-why/

If Auburn wasn't in the SEC they wouldn't play them either.

Real easy solution for jonesboro state - get invited to join the SEC.

I did say "one of the few....."

I know more than anyone, if you're too lazy to do any homework, always try to leave yourself an out.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 07:20:34 pm
They are 1-72 vs. P5 conferences:

0-3 vs. ACC
0-9 vs. BIG 10
1-13 vs. BIG 12 (AnM was in BIG 12 at the time)
0-2 vs. PAC 12
0-45 vs. SEC  (I think they have a win against Ole Miss in the 20s but it doesn't list it)

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/arkst/index.shtml

Hahahahah. That's incredible.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on October 04, 2017, 11:03:16 pm
Dense? And you're an arse-wipe. And probably just a punk that knows no better.

And you have no reasonings - so don't attack me. Razorbacks are scared that they might slip up one of these years and lose to A-State - which they will not want to happen.

Keep scheduling the Toledo's of the world - they will beat you every few years with CBB at the helm, you can bank on it.

“You have no reasonings”

Srsly?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: snoblind on October 04, 2017, 11:18:53 pm
So much wrong with this thread it is mind-boggling.

ASU is the participant in the parade that cleans up behind the elephants with a scoop and broom but wants to  be judged with the bands and floats on equal footing.
You are a fledgling school with leftover athletes that were either grade risks or transfers.  Your coaches tend to stay one or two years and move on to real jobs. Your relevance reaches from Pocahontas to New Madrid. NE Arkansas' top HS players do not even consider ASU because it is too low of an institution to consider consideration. 
Having Jim Harris as your advocate is like having Kevin Hart as your NBA center.  It gets some laughs but in the end will get you a loss.

I attended an old AIC school. We know where we stand and I am a fan of both institutions. We know our place. ASU can never, ever compete with the University of Arkansas on any level within the state of Arkansas. It is pitiful to think that Arkansas State lauds itself as anything close to being relevant and deserving a seat at a P5 table.

As for you salty ASU advocates. Butthurt is your moniker. Why not us? We need the money! We have a chance. Good for you. Continue to re-tweet supermodel's twitters in hopes of securing an intimate conversation with them and eloping to Bimini. Fantasy.

UCA has surpassed ASU as far as second fiddle in Arkansas. True story. They do now cry and bemoan that they do not play Arkansas. They simply enjoy their success and continue to grow. ASU fan, be less bitter and lose the flase sense of entitlement and stay up in the corner where you still are second to the Razorbacks - as much as that hurts you.

The Razorbacks are the newborn baby. ASU is the episiotomy - always  will be.

UCA beat ASU?  And these guys are whining about Arkansas not playing them?

:)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Sivad on October 05, 2017, 12:25:03 am
That's just Jim Harris making a feeble attempt to make himself relevant.  :puke:
Well, he sure failed.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on October 05, 2017, 12:56:32 am
UA vs ASU won't happen until ESPN wants it to happen.  No money; No game.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on October 05, 2017, 09:10:52 am
Living in Mississippi and Virginia has convinced me that we should NEVER play another in-state school. Much hatred generated by those games. There shouldn't be, but there is. I lived in Mississippi in the 80s, when Ole Miss and Miss St. were both irrelevant in college football. Irrelevancy didn't matter -- it still created irrational hatred.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: rljjr on October 05, 2017, 09:33:06 am
Haha.

If ASU is what is sweeping up after the elephants, right now with CBB at the helm, the Razorbacks are what is being swept up. Truth. 

Oh, but now since we beat New Mexico State, we are going to win 8 or 9 games. Hogville definitely has some nice drugs.


We?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: mjsphd on October 05, 2017, 12:00:52 pm
Seems like an easy solution to the "Great Stadium Debate".  Play ASU in Little Rock every year to open the season.  Charge $100.00 a ticket.  Round numbers, Hogs take home 4 million, ASU 1 million.  If fans don't want to pay that, after a season or 2, the "debate" is over.

Or rotate ASU, UAPB (we're already playing SWAC teams), and UCA (we're already playing FCS teams) in the opening LR game.  LR gets its game, the Hogs get their money, and sure wins against UAPB and UCA (no different than playing Alcorn State or Florida A & M).  Hogs would play ASU about 3 times every ten years.  Yes, once every 50 years, ASU might win.  Would that really be the end of the world?
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 05, 2017, 12:24:19 pm
Seems like an easy solution to the "Great Stadium Debate".  Play ASU in Little Rock every year to open the season.  Charge $100.00 a ticket.  Round numbers, Hogs take home 4 million, ASU 1 million.  If fans don't want to pay that, after a season or 2, the "debate" is over.

Or rotate ASU, UAPB (we're already playing SWAC teams), and UCA (we're already playing FCS teams) in the opening LR game.  LR gets its game, the Hogs get their money, and sure wins against UAPB and UCA (no different than playing Alcorn State or Florida A & M).  Hogs would play ASU about 3 times every ten years.  Yes, once every 50 years, ASU might win.  Would that really be the end of the world?

Fine, except play all the games on campus, 20,000 more seats, thus more money. Also, the in-state teams give U of A a discount on their game fee, you know, money stays in the state.......
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 05, 2017, 12:28:14 pm
Worth not playing them just to see these threads 2-3 times/year with all the whining.

except it is more like 2 or 3 times a month.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: snoblind on October 05, 2017, 12:43:43 pm
Fine, except play all the games on campus, 20,000 more seats, thus more money. Also, the in-state teams give U of A a discount on their game fee, you know, money stays in the state.......

This, say $200K plus expenses. 

But play UCA, UAPB, Arkansas Tech, and everyone else except ASU.  Just so we can listen to them whine.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: snoblind on October 05, 2017, 12:44:57 pm
except it is more like 2 or 3 times a month.

Yeah, thought about that as soon as I hit post. I like Rice's idea with a slight adjustment.

:)
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Sivad on October 05, 2017, 12:49:04 pm
except it is more like 2 or 3 times a month.
Yes.
Pre-season wins and losses -always a guess.
But the whining ASwho crowd constantly crying for “THE game” as they call it - a guaranteed certainty.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: hogsanity on October 05, 2017, 02:17:00 pm
Yes.
Pre-season wins and losses -always a guess.
But the whining ASwho crowd constantly crying for “THE game” as they call it - a guaranteed certainty.

I think they are just trying to get replies to a thread they start, the over/under on people that actually care enough about ASU to want that game is 6.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: Jimbob111 on October 05, 2017, 05:18:58 pm
I'm a little surprised you can't see the reasoning behind why UA won't play AState. There is absolutely nothing to gain for Arkansas to play AState. Zero. No matter how entertaining that game would be to watch, it would do nothing but hurt the Hogs.

Like it was mentioned before. If UA wins big, the reaction is "Meh...they were suppose to." If UA wins with a marginal victory, the reaction is "Wow...did you see how well AState played and/or how poorly UA did vs the little bro." And if the stars aligned and AState BEAT the UA, the reaction would be unbelievably bad for the Hogs.

So, please tell me why in the world the UofA would WANT to play this game?

What I've never gotten is that Toledo, ULM, ULL, etc are basically the same risk/reward situations. If you beat them, you were supposed to, if you lose or it's marginal, you get hammered.

The rationale for not playing ASU is the same for all schools of that caliber. So why then, is it ok to play Toledo or NIU or ULL but not ASU?

The "little sister" comparisons are ridiculous. So if ASU is a little sister, why won't the Hogs play UCA? A little step-sister? 

So, going by the rationale that it's bad business to play in-state schools, why is it that LSU plays other in-state schools? Why does Alabama? Why does Auburn? Why do the Mississippi schools? Why does USCe? Why does Florida?  Name another P5 school that refuses to play other in-state schools on general principle. Name just one.  I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: mjsphd on October 05, 2017, 05:22:48 pm
I don't think there is another one, but maybe someone can prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: ricepig on October 05, 2017, 05:25:12 pm
What I've never gotten is that Toledo, ULM, ULL, etc are basically the same risk/reward situations. If you beat them, you were supposed to, if you lose or it's marginal, you get hammered.

The rationale for not playing ASU is the same for all schools of that caliber. So why then, is it ok to play Toledo or NIU or ULL but not ASU?

The "little sister" comparisons are ridiculous. So if ASU is a little sister, why won't the Hogs play UCA? A little step-sister? 

So, going by the rationale that it's bad business to play in-state schools, why is it that LSU plays other in-state schools? Why does Alabama? Why does Auburn? Why do the Mississippi schools? Why does USCe? Why does Florida?  Name another P5 school that refuses to play other in-state schools on general principle. Name just one.  I'll hang up and listen.

Alabama doesn't, except for Auburn who is a conference foe. I assume you are speaking of football.
Title: Re: The Hog Zone, Jim Harris
Post by: East Clintwood on October 05, 2017, 08:33:11 pm
What I've never gotten is that Toledo, ULM, ULL, etc are basically the same risk/reward situations. If you beat them, you were supposed to, if you lose or it's marginal, you get hammered.

The rationale for not playing ASU is the same for all schools of that caliber. So why then, is it ok to play Toledo or NIU or ULL but not ASU?

The "little sister" comparisons are ridiculous. So if ASU is a little sister, why won't the Hogs play UCA? A little step-sister? 

So, going by the rationale that it's bad business to play in-state schools, why is it that LSU plays other in-state schools? Why does Alabama? Why does Auburn? Why do the Mississippi schools? Why does USCe? Why does Florida?  Name another P5 school that refuses to play other in-state schools on general principle. Name just one.  I'll hang up and listen.


Alabama.

They play Auburn because they're in the same conference but they refuse to play any other school in Alabama.