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Title: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: JayHog on October 03, 2017, 10:44:55 am
The line opened with South Carolina as 2.5 point favorites.  Evidently a ton of money has been pouring in on Arkansas, and now Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite. Thatís a 5 point swing in the line, which is a huge swing considering there has been no announcement that their starting QB is out or anything of that nature.
So smart money is saying Arkansas. What say ye?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: oldrazorband on October 03, 2017, 10:52:00 am
Did anyone see the clip of their QB getting up all wobbly after a hit last week?  I wouldn't doubt he has a concussion.

http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659 (http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659)
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on October 03, 2017, 10:56:44 am
Are you sure?  When I checked early on, the Hogs were -2.5....
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 10:57:50 am
Line opened as Arkansas a Favorite, ranging from a -1 to a -2 at most books.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 10:59:05 am
I've seen -2 or -2.5 since opening.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: The NewEra on October 03, 2017, 11:01:53 am
South Carolina's offensive line is in shambles.  Put some heat on those q.b.'s of SC and it could get ugly.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 03, 2017, 11:02:15 am
SC was a 2.5 favorite early Sunday 
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: PorkRinds on October 03, 2017, 11:10:17 am
South Carolina's offensive line is in shambles.  Put some heat on those q.b.'s of SC and it could get ugly.

I feel like this could be said of us as well.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on October 03, 2017, 11:13:30 am
SC was a 2.5 favorite early Sunday 

Not when I check early Sunday...  Hogs were -2.5.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: The NewEra on October 03, 2017, 11:18:41 am
I feel like this could be said of us as well.

I see ours improving.  Theirs is getting worse due to injuries.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 11:20:22 am
SC was a 2.5 favorite early Sunday

Every line tracking website shows Hogs opened as favorite.  Where are you guys seeing SC was opening as a favorite?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 03, 2017, 11:20:34 am
Not when I check early Sunday...  Hogs were -2.5.


Must have been looking at different places then.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: mclyte on October 03, 2017, 11:22:09 am
http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/odds/line-history/792363

Here's a link to the line movement. Most opened as Hogs -2. Some books opened with So. Car -1.5.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Fan1958 on October 03, 2017, 11:23:12 am
The line opened with South Carolina as 2.5 point favorites.  Evidently a ton of money has been pouring in on Arkansas, and now Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite. Thatís a 5 point swing in the line, which is a huge swing considering there has been no announcement that their starting QB is out or anything of that nature.
So smart money is saying Arkansas. What say ye?

That folks who pay attention to betting lines, relative to the line indicating which team will win or lose, are desperate for anything that makes them feel better.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 03, 2017, 11:23:29 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/south-carolina/Bolt/Major-betting-line-change-for-Arkansas-South-Carolina-108371032/Amp
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 11:23:47 am
nm
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 11:28:13 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/south-carolina/Bolt/Major-betting-line-change-for-Arkansas-South-Carolina-108371032/Amp

I have a hard time completely believing that article.  It says huge public money came pouring in on sunday, well public money CAN'T bet on sunday usually.  Most books don't release lines to general public till very Monday or tuesday.  Vegas books themselves even give certain "sharp" players lines early and don't open up the windows to those lines till extremely late.  Again, public doesn't place wagers or usually have the ability to place wagers on sunday for the upcoming saturday.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 03, 2017, 11:29:07 am
I have a hard time completely believing that article.  It says huge public money came pouring in on sunday, well public money CAN'T bet on sunday usually.  Most books don't release lines to general public till very Monday or tuesday.  Vegas books themselves even give certain "sharp" players lines early and don't open up the windows to those lines till extremely late.  Again, public doesn't place wagers or usually have the ability to place wagers on sunday for the upcoming saturday.


I caught that too but I saw Sunday morning it was SC -2.5

Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: dhizzle on October 03, 2017, 11:36:42 am
Did anyone see the clip of their QB getting up all wobbly after a hit last week?  I wouldn't doubt he has a concussion.

http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659 (http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659)

He was like, "witch way did he go George." He pulled that off really well, he woke up and realized he was playing a football game.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: RazorbackEagle1996 on October 03, 2017, 11:38:27 am
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Bolt/Major-betting-line-change-for-Arkansas-South-Carolina-108371032
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 03, 2017, 12:12:15 pm
That folks who pay attention to betting lines, relative to the line indicating which team will win or lose, are desperate for anything that makes them feel better.


Lol. The fact that SC flipped from a favorite to underdog as soon as the line came out is a very good indicator that smart money is all over the Hogs. Smart money is called smart money for a reason.

I saw SC open at -1.5 FWIW.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 12:13:49 pm
Lol. The fact that SC flipped from a favorite to underdog as soon as the line came out is a very good indicator that smart money is all over the Hogs. Smart money is called smart money for a reason.

I saw SC open at -1.5 FWIW.

Smart people don't bet low point spreads................................
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: lasthog on October 03, 2017, 12:18:03 pm
Sorry guys,  I didn't mean to move the line, but I believe. ;)
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 03, 2017, 12:37:32 pm
Smart people don't bet low point spreads................................

You mind explaining that one?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 12:42:16 pm
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Bolt/Major-betting-line-change-for-Arkansas-South-Carolina-108371032
Nice find...guess I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 12:44:20 pm
You mind explaining that one?

I assume he's trying to say they'd just take moneyline?

Many people believe that taking a ML pays off much better when a spread is less than 3, either way
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 12:45:00 pm
Nice find...guess I stand corrected.

Comments in that article make me question the validity of that article.  It also does t indicate where USC opened as a fav
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 12:46:29 pm
You mind explaining that one?

IF the point spread is close then the winner is more in doubt. That being said it also isn't smart to bet real high point spreads because it becomes more difficult for the super favorite to cover. Point spreads are made to equalize money bet so more people will bet. At least those are my theories. If you have better ones' please share!
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: twistitup on October 03, 2017, 12:46:55 pm
SC was a 2.5 favorite early Sunday 
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 03, 2017, 12:51:29 pm
IF the point spread is close then the winner is more in doubt. That being said it also isn't smart to bet real high point spreads because it becomes more difficult for the super favorite to cover. Point spreads are made to equalize money bet so more people will bet. At least those are my theories. If you have better ones' please share!

So you're saying there's no such thing as a smart bettor? Look, some people do this for a living. They're gonna hammer a spread at the open if they feel it can be taken advantage of before it moves.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 01:01:37 pm


It hurts your trolling that if thats true, public has bet hogs to being a road fave
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 01:03:33 pm
So you're saying there's no such thing as a smart bettor? Look, some people do this for a living. They're gonna hammer a spread at the open if they feel it can be taken advantage of before it moves.

VERY, VERY few people that consider themselves smart bettors or doing  it for a living make money at it. Gambling places, casinos, websites, etc. do NOT build gambling businesses based on people making a profit off them. for even one betting one way there are those betting another. In the long haul gambling money is for losers. So yes there is no such thing as a smart bettor. That being said what one does with their money is their prerogative. I'm not against gambling nor want it to be illegal.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Fan1958 on October 03, 2017, 01:09:48 pm
Lol. The fact that SC flipped from a favorite to underdog as soon as the line came out is a very good indicator that smart money is all over the Hogs. Smart money is called smart money for a reason.

I saw SC open at -1.5 FWIW.

Well damn.  Might as well not play the game and just chalk up a W for the Hogs.  Reckon how SC feels about that?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 03, 2017, 01:27:26 pm
VERY, VERY few people that consider themselves smart bettors or doing  it for a living make money at it. Gambling places, casinos, websites, etc. do NOT build gambling businesses based on people making a profit off them. for even one betting one way there are those betting another. In the long haul gambling money is for losers. So yes there is no such thing as a smart bettor. That being said what one does with their money is their prerogative. I'm not against gambling nor want it to be illegal.

Well damn.  Might as well not play the game and just chalk up a W for the Hogs.  Reckon how SC feels about that?

Google Billy Walters or Alan Boston and maybe it will help you understand what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 03, 2017, 01:34:27 pm
You're sorely mistaking if you don't think there's people out there who know how to take advantage of the betting market, similar to the stock market.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sooiebaby on October 03, 2017, 01:34:44 pm
Did anyone see the clip of their QB getting up all wobbly after a hit last week?  I wouldn't doubt he has a concussion.

http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659 (http://www.12up.com/posts/5617787-video-south-carolina-qb-keeps-playing-after-getting-obvious-concussion?a_aid=36659)

He definitely got his bell rung on that play. Watching it live on tv, it was obvious when he got up that he wasnt all there. They couldnt get him off the field though because there was like 40 seconds left in the game and the clock was running. Next play was an incomplete pass and the game was over.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: DeltaBoy on October 03, 2017, 02:27:42 pm
We need to see some Blitzes this week.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: HF#1 on October 03, 2017, 02:40:29 pm
We suck against the spread this year. Bet the house on SC
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: texas tush hog on October 03, 2017, 03:12:52 pm
We suck against the spread this year. Bet the house on SC

Only if you want to win some money.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 03:14:35 pm
We suck against the spread this year. Bet the house on SC

New mexico state was 4-0 against the spread, and by most accounts lost because most got the spread at -16.5 to -17.5.    You should have bet the house on new mexico st +17 too...
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 05:15:30 pm
You're sorely mistaking if you don't think there's people out there who know how to take advantage of the betting market, similar to the stock market.

The factors in the statistics of gambling never change for any one entity or game. In the stock market they do for any one company.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on October 03, 2017, 05:35:37 pm
I find a lot of humor in this thread....mainly because a lot of people think they know what they are talking about, but really they don't. I think this is what it would be like if Lee corso and Lou holtz hosted a betting segment on gameday.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on October 03, 2017, 05:36:26 pm
Only if you want to win some money.

What's your record this year on the books?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on October 03, 2017, 05:39:52 pm
That folks who pay attention to betting lines, relative to the line indicating which team will win or lose, are desperate for anything that makes them feel better.


Folks who pay attention to line movement are using only 1 of several factors to consider when placing a bet.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on October 03, 2017, 05:44:46 pm
The public doesn't move the line on Sunday. It just doesn't happen.....whales move lines on Sunday.

To answer the original question....when you see heavy line movement early, it means smart money is paying attention. When you see a big shift the day of the game, smart money made it happen.

Vegas couldn't care less about the public.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 06:20:58 pm
The public doesn't move the line on Sunday. It just doesn't happen.....whales move lines on Sunday.

To answer the original question....when you see heavy line movement early, it means smart money is paying attention. When you see a big shift the day of the game, smart money made it happen.

Vegas couldn't care less about the public.

Whaaaatttt, no way!!!  This doesn't fit agendas!
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 06:22:08 pm
The public doesn't move the line on Sunday. It just doesn't happen.....whales move lines on Sunday.

To answer the original question....when you see heavy line movement early, it means smart money is paying attention. When you see a big shift the day of the game, smart money made it happen.

Vegas couldn't care less about the public.

Exactly! Vegas cares about only one thing...............your money.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: factchecker on October 03, 2017, 06:22:59 pm
That folks who pay attention to betting lines, relative to the line indicating which team will win or lose, are desperate for anything that makes them feel better.

or worse

There have been plenty of "realists" use the line as a negative against the hogs.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Seebs on October 03, 2017, 06:51:58 pm
Why anybody would pay this line either way is a mad man.  Either team could win by 30, and my either team I mean SC
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Arky on October 03, 2017, 06:55:23 pm
The public doesn't move the line on Sunday. It just doesn't happen.....whales move lines on Sunday.

To answer the original question....when you see heavy line movement early, it means smart money is paying attention. When you see a big shift the day of the game, smart money made it happen.

Vegas couldn't care less about the public.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 03, 2017, 07:11:11 pm
The line opened with South Carolina as 2.5 point favorites.  Evidently a ton of money has been pouring in on Arkansas, and now Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite. Thatís a 5 point swing in the line, which is a huge swing considering there has been no announcement that their starting QB is out or anything of that nature.
So smart money is saying Arkansas. What say ye?

?  The line was -2.5 Arkansas on Sunday.  What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 03, 2017, 07:13:10 pm
The line opened with South Carolina as 2.5 point favorites.  Evidently a ton of money has been pouring in on Arkansas, and now Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite. Thatís a 5 point swing in the line, which is a huge swing considering there has been no announcement that their starting QB is out or anything of that nature.
So smart money is saying Arkansas. What say ye?

?  The line was -2.5 Arkansas on Sunday.  What are you talking about?
Not when I check early Sunday...  Hogs were -2.5.

Ding, ding DING!Please put this thread in the can, Mods.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on October 03, 2017, 07:23:24 pm
That kid should NOT play period. That is very bad much like a fighter getting up after being knocked out. Scary.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hawgphat on October 03, 2017, 08:02:49 pm
The line opened with South Carolina as 2.5 point favorites.  Evidently a ton of money has been pouring in on Arkansas, and now Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite. Thatís a 5 point swing in the line, which is a huge swing considering there has been no announcement that their starting QB is out or anything of that nature.
So smart money is saying Arkansas. What say ye?

I learned a long time ago that betting on Arkansas is not smart.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: lakecityhog on October 03, 2017, 08:09:39 pm
1st of all that was clearly targeting and yes he should have been removed by a game official!
If he had run the ball again or took a hard sack he could have been hurt badly.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: 12247 on October 04, 2017, 08:15:26 pm
Years ago, I gambled a lot on football.  Lost a lot too.  Best year by far I ever had was when I quit looking at the point spread and starting betting on tendencies.  The sports magazines used to do write up about various teams tendencies year after year.  Example:  The Hogs almost always won the week after playing Texas but rarely covered the spread.  Bet against the Hogs to cover on that game in all situations.  Teams that played on turf seldom covered the spread when playing on the few grass fields still left and those grass teams rarely covered the spread on turf.  A team that has covered the spread 3 in a row, will likely not cover the fourth week and its nearly impossible for them to cover 5 in a row.  Vegas will adjust the spread to nulify a team covering nearly every week.  An NFL team that scores 40+ 2 weeks in a row, wiil not cover the 3rd week 4 out of 5 times.  The traveling team who has played on Saturday, or Sunday for an NFL team, will rarely cover the spread in a Thursday night game the following week.  A team that goes cross country, west to east for a big game will usually not cover the spread. 

The are just a very few of the more than 700 tendencies I learned about and likely most of them are not valid now.  I wouldn't know.  But I used to make money playing the tendencies.  Sometimes it was really difficult to bet against what i seen as a solid bet the other way but I stuck to the tendencies and won serious money that one year.  Like most folks, overall, I lost money playing football games.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggie17 on October 04, 2017, 11:16:40 pm
SC was a 2.5 favorite early Sunday
No they were not.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hogs49ers on October 05, 2017, 12:09:37 am
Sportsbetting in general - most of the time, when you see a line and you think "Hmm this is too easy, money in the bank, team X covers EASY!" it is usually too good to be true and you can usually take the other side and do pretty well over time.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: PORKULATOR on October 05, 2017, 06:40:27 am
Not when I check early Sunday...  Hogs were -2.5.
Well its on my google feed, so it happened, stop arguing. You're wrong.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: PORKULATOR on October 05, 2017, 06:40:52 am
No they were not.
You too.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 05, 2017, 07:15:11 am

Must have been looking at different places then.

-2.5 means SC gets those points, given by Hogs...
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 05, 2017, 07:17:34 am
-2.5 means SC gets those points, given by Hogs...

If SC is -2.5 that means they are/were favored. Obviously people were looking at different times and/or at different sites. Kind of strange how so many people are arguing it was both ways don't ya think?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 05, 2017, 07:18:41 am
I have a hard time completely believing that article.  It says huge public money came pouring in on sunday, well public money CAN'T bet on sunday usually.  Most books don't release lines to general public till very Monday or tuesday.  Vegas books themselves even give certain "sharp" players lines early and don't open up the windows to those lines till extremely late.  Again, public doesn't place wagers or usually have the ability to place wagers on sunday for the upcoming saturday.

Exactly.  BS from that link.  The Vegas boards never had SC as a favorite.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 05, 2017, 07:20:48 am
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/josh-kendall-blog/article176919921.html
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 05, 2017, 07:24:04 am
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Bolt/Major-betting-line-change-for-Arkansas-South-Carolina-108371032

Brad Crawford?  Go to

College Football Team coverage at
VegasInsider.com

when you want to know the odds for any team
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rhames on October 05, 2017, 07:27:16 am
Brad Crawford?  Go to

College Football Team coverage at
VegasInsider.com

when you want to know the odds for any team


Yeah. I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from then. Wynn did have SC -1.5 but that's all I see.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 07:37:45 am
Hogs -1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: twistitup on October 05, 2017, 07:40:24 am
That kid should NOT play period. That is very bad much like a fighter getting up after being knocked out. Scary.

He might play the best game of his life - on muscle memory. Like driving home and not knowing how you got there - he might tear it up Sat and not even remember it.

Crazy things in sports happen - there was a pitcher back in the day that threw a no hitter trippin on acid...the brain is a crazy thing.

There was a game I got concussed in the 2nd qtr...came back and played the second half, had 7 tackles - didn't remember stepping back on the field the next day. Just a blank-
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: JaketheSnake on October 05, 2017, 07:48:55 am
Hogs -1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/
Consensus there is now hogs at -2.  Which has moved .5 to SC.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 08:00:43 am
So it's essentially even.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Bacon_Bitz on October 05, 2017, 08:12:40 am
So it's essentially even.

No, the line is Ark -2. That is not even.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 08:22:07 am
No, the line is Ark -2. That is not even.

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Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Deep Shoat on October 05, 2017, 08:48:30 am
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Considering SC gets 3p points for being at home, it's not really close to even.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 08:50:57 am
So Arkansas should win by 5?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: rljjr on October 05, 2017, 09:13:09 am
So Arkansas should win by 5?

Only if we can make a left-footed FG.

Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: root_hawg on October 05, 2017, 09:17:59 am
I placed my bet on Sunday, must have been that to move the line
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: texhog22 on October 05, 2017, 11:26:34 am
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 05, 2017, 12:06:48 pm
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP

Hot take alert
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: JaketheSnake on October 05, 2017, 12:09:22 pm
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP
Ms Cleo?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: PorkRinds on October 05, 2017, 12:41:51 pm
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP

Lol.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Corkscrew Johnson on October 05, 2017, 03:18:51 pm
Considering SC gets 3p points for being at home, it's not really close to even.

Yeah, -1 or -2 is actually pretty close to a coin toss.  Since we aren't talking about who is a better team on paper, but rather who is going to win this football game, then you don't get to add back the 3 points for playing at home....because they are in fact playing at home.

I get nervous playing in a game projected to be won by a field goal....without anyone who has actually made a field goal by October. 

Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: jcbville on October 05, 2017, 03:23:48 pm
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: texhog22 on October 05, 2017, 08:33:51 pm
laaaugh it up
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 06, 2017, 06:24:37 am
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP

Seek professional help.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Dirty on October 06, 2017, 07:52:40 am
Gunfire!
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 06, 2017, 08:02:17 am
Are you sure?  When I checked early on, the Hogs were -2.5....
the Hogs opened as a -1 to -1.5 favorite in this game, I think the OP got his facts mixed up...I checked on Monday morning and it was ARK -1.5 on almost every sight
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 06, 2017, 08:05:29 am
Yeah, -1 or -2 is actually pretty close to a coin toss.  Since we aren't talking about who is a better team on paper, but rather who is going to win this football game, then you don't get to add back the 3 points for playing at home....because they are in fact playing at home.

I get nervous playing in a game projected to be won by a field goal....without anyone who has actually made a field goal by October.
normally yes, but Arkansas has proven they cannot finish since Mizzou last season and other numerous occasions so we shouldn't be favored over any team in the league on the road...to me this is a sucker line, the late money will likely come in on the Kocks, which tells me that the betting public is playing USC-e...I say we win easily
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 06, 2017, 08:17:48 am
the Hogs opened as a -1 to -1.5 favorite in this game, I think the OP got his facts mixed up...I checked on Monday morning and it was ARK -1.5 on almost every sight

Lines open late Sunday afternoon as it's been stated multiple times in this thread. Arkansas -1.5 was not the opening line.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hoggish1 on October 06, 2017, 08:30:28 am
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP

You just don't care.  Got it.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: HawgWyld on October 06, 2017, 09:01:00 am
So ... everyone lay their money down on the Hogs yet?
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: JaketheSnake on October 06, 2017, 09:09:12 am
Many lines dropped to -2 midweek, but several have gone back up to -2.5 now.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Hook 'em Hogs on October 06, 2017, 10:19:19 am
I'm not speaking for the OP and what he saw. I don't gamble, but I look at lines on yahoo sports. It was SC -2.5 on Sunday.  It's likely he was looking at something like that rather than a gambling site. I noticed the exact same thing though. Hogs are now -2.5.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Birminghog on October 06, 2017, 02:21:02 pm
You just don't care.  Got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6RwucrtQeMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6RwucrtQeM
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 07, 2017, 03:47:04 am
Lines open late Sunday afternoon as it's been stated multiple times in this thread. Arkansas -1.5 was not the opening line.
So it's your assertion that a college line, a full week away will move that much in one day. With that one day having a full schedule of NFL games ? Sorry, I have a difficult time believing that a line would move that much on an NFL Sunday to the following Monday morning. Maybe it did, but it makes little sense.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: code red on October 07, 2017, 05:42:39 am
South Carolina's offensive line is in shambles.  Put some heat on those q.b.'s of SC and it could get ugly.
Their defense is ranked in the 30s.  I'd pump those brakes a little.  Our oline will have there hands full. 
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: DEVIL DOG HOG on October 07, 2017, 06:40:01 am
I don't care about the Vegas line. I don't care if we beat SC by 30! We are a BAD football team, and its due to coaching. BB will NEVER right this ship! NEVER. If he is here 5 more years then we will be bad at least 6 more years. He needs to go. ASAP

TROLL!
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on October 07, 2017, 09:42:21 am
The point that nobody has made, and I'm not really surprised because only a few actually understand this stuff, is the juice....

Forget the spread....look at the juice. At this moment, Vegas has the hogs -3. But more importantly, they have changed the juice to -115 which means you have to bet more to win more. Meanwhile, South Carolina has gone from the routine -110 to +101 meaning you can win a whole lot more money if you bet on SC.

Vegas can't afford to change the line, so they change the vig. Basically tempting public money to start betting more on SC. When you see this, it means most money is on Arkansas and they want people to bet on the other side.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: widespreadsooie on October 07, 2017, 10:49:05 am
So it's your assertion that a college line, a full week away will move that much in one day. With that one day having a full schedule of NFL games ? Sorry, I have a difficult time believing that a line would move that much on an NFL Sunday to the following Monday morning. Maybe it did, but it makes little sense.

It isn't my assertion, it's fact. I don't see what a full slate of NFL games has to do with college lines moving on Sunday. All the noon games are over when the lines come out anyways. Doesn't matter though. Lines come out, some people bet. That simple.

To prove this I will tell you, and anyone in this camp for that matter, to check vegasinsider.com around 430, 5 on Sunday. Screen shot the lines or whatever you want to do. Then look at the spreads posted on espn.com on Monday. A lot of them will be different.
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: twistitup on October 07, 2017, 07:08:27 pm
cause vegas knows everything....
Title: Re: Huge change in Vegas line
Post by: PonderinHog on October 07, 2017, 07:12:26 pm
cause vegas knows everything....
Where did all the smart money go ???