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Title: Practice Reports
Post by: HoopS on September 30, 2017, 11:37:20 pm
Any updates?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: The_Iceman on October 01, 2017, 05:29:05 am
Mostly conditioning .
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Post by: hdturner on October 01, 2017, 08:17:52 am
It should start this week. I am ready!!!
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Post by: Pinto on October 01, 2017, 10:51:44 am
Starts tomorrow
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Post by: BannerMountainMan on October 01, 2017, 01:23:33 pm
Happy birthday Gafford!
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 01, 2017, 06:24:56 pm
Starts tomorrow

Yeah and in less than a month we will have our red and white game. Season is almost here and I am so very excited! Looking forward to seeing the Hogs make a run in the tournament this year because I think we have guys that can do it.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 01, 2017, 11:45:35 pm
Yeah and in less than a month we will have our red and white game. Season is almost here and I am so very excited! Looking forward to seeing the Hogs make a run in the tournament this year because I think we have guys that can do it.

Yeah we just have a bunch of unknowns that I hope will turn out better than expected for once...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: 1highhog on October 02, 2017, 04:23:36 am
I to can hardly wait until BB season gets here, usually at this time of the year I'm to heavily invested in football but I'm having to back away from it a bit this year.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 07:46:34 am
Yeah we just have a bunch of unknowns that I hope will turn out better than expected for once...
Unknowns?  Except for the three seniors we lost, everyone is back, including stars like Macon and Barford, hardly unknowns.  Anyone who watched last year will already know the personnel on this year's team pretty well since, but for a few guys, it's the same.  I guess you could call the freshmen unknowns.  Also, we don't really need to turn out better than expected this year, though that's always nice.  With expectations as high as they are going into this year, just matching expectations will mean we've done very well.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 08:19:53 am
Unknowns?  Except for the three seniors we lost, everyone is back, including stars like Macon and Barford, hardly unknowns.  Anyone who watched last year will already know the personnel on this year's team pretty well since, but for a few guys, it's the same.  I guess you could call the freshmen unknowns.  Also, we don't really need to turn out better than expected this year, though that's always nice.  With expectations as high as they are going into this year, just matching expectations will mean we've done very well.

We have two quality seniors, everyone else are unknowns. And yes, I love our freshmen but they are unknowns until proven. I’m just being realistic
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 08:35:43 am
We have two quality seniors, everyone else are unknowns. And yes, I love our freshmen but they are unknowns until proven. I’m just being realistic
Maybe unknown to you, but guys like Anton Beard or Trey Thompson are pretty well known to the rest of us.  The most likely starting lineup will be guys who played heavy minutes last year, guys anyone who watched last year will know well.  I'd say being realistic would be to expect us to be at least as good as last year, maybe better.  We have a senior-laden team.  It really stretches the definition of "unknown" to call them that.  Next year, 2018-2019, we'll have a lot of new faces out there, and a much younger team.  "Unknown" might fit next year.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: VirginiaHog on October 02, 2017, 08:44:06 am
For anyone who watches hog ball regularly, the freshman are the only ones I would call unknowns. For those who heavily follow recruiting, maybe you can say the freshmen are not unknowns either. Gonna be a great season.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 08:53:00 am
For anyone who watches hog ball regularly, the freshman are the only ones I would call unknowns. For those who heavily follow recruiting, maybe you can say the freshmen are not unknowns either. Gonna be a great season.
Yep.  We should be a battle-tested team this year.  For me the biggest unknown is C.J. Jones, maybe even more so than the freshmen since, as you write, those who follow recruiting already know a good bit about our freshmen.  Jones is a great athlete, a deadly shooter.  Will the rest of his game have improved enough so that he's on the court a lot?  Will he be the star we are all hoping for, or a flop?  I'm betting on the former, and I can't wait to watch.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 09:15:59 am
Yep.  We should be a battle-tested team this year.  For me the biggest unknown is C.J. Jones, maybe even more so than the freshmen since, as you write, those who follow recruiting already know a good bit about our freshmen.  Jones is a great athlete, a deadly shooter.  Will the rest of his game have improved enough so that he's on the court a lot?  Will he be the star we are all hoping for, or a flop?  I'm betting on the former, and I can't wait to watch.

I follow recruiting very closely but that doesn’t change the fact that they are an unknown on the next level. Jimmy Whitt was a highly regarded recruit yet he didn’t produce. Arlando Cook was a top 5 JUCO player and he didn’t produce. There are so many X-factors this season: Will CJ play to his potential or will DaeDae come in and take that 3 spot? Is Adrio ready to get more minutes? Did DT improve over the offseason? Is Trey ready? So many unknowns
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Hawg Red on October 02, 2017, 09:24:10 am
Some here are taking “unknown” quite literally. Everyone knows who the players are and what their games are, or are supposed to be. There are very few near-locks on this team. This is a different looking roster, so there is actually quite a bit of unknown in my view as to what roles guys are going to play and which players are going to win practice battles for minutes. Can Trey and Beard step into larger roles and produce? Can Thomas be consistent? Will Cook even be on the team? Is Bailey developed enough for more minutes? And, everyone’s darling, C.J. Jones, will he be ready to show what he’s got?

Plenty of unknowns or uncertainty around this roster.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 09:35:40 am
Some here are taking “unknown” quite literally. Everyone knows who the players are and what their games are, or are supposed to be. There are very few near-locks on this team. This is a different looking roster, so there is actually quite a bit of unknown in my view as to what roles guys are going to play and which players are going to win practice battles for minutes. Can Trey and Beard step into larger roles and produce? Can Thomas be consistent? Will Cook even be on the team? Is Bailey developed enough for more minutes? And, everyone’s darling, C.J. Jones, will he be ready to show what he’s got?

Plenty of unknowns or uncertainty around this roster.
Ok.  If you expand the definition of "unknown" to encompass every uncertainty, then every team, before the season begins, is full of unknowns.  I can't honestly say I know how things will have panned out for us by next March, nor can anyone.  Nonetheless, relative to a lot of years, and relative to a lot of other college teams, our team has fewer unknowns, in my opinion.  No one would be foolish enough to say we have no unknowns.  However, on the whole we have a lot of experienced players coming back, lots of seniors, two star guards who were carrying the team by the end of last year.  There are lots of sound reasons to expect a lot from this team.  I expect a lot of continuity with last year, which, to me, at least, means I think I know what to expect, not that I won't get any surprises at all on the way to next March.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 09:40:09 am
Some here are taking “unknown” quite literally. Everyone knows who the players are and what their games are, or are supposed to be. There are very few near-locks on this team. This is a different looking roster, so there is actually quite a bit of unknown in my view as to what roles guys are going to play and which players are going to win practice battles for minutes. Can Trey and Beard step into larger roles and produce? Can Thomas be consistent? Will Cook even be on the team? Is Bailey developed enough for more minutes? And, everyone’s darling, C.J. Jones, will he be ready to show what he’s got?

Plenty of unknowns or uncertainty around this roster.

Exactly what I’m saying. Those same unknowns are what makes me so anxious for the season to start though. You can also throw in the question: Is Khalil going to redshirt this season or could he give us quality minutes off bench?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 10:10:40 am
Exactly what I’m saying. Those same unknowns are what makes me so anxious for the season to start though. You can also throw in the question: Is Khalil going to redshirt this season or could he give us quality minutes off bench?

Why on earth would Khalil redshirt?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Hawg Red on October 02, 2017, 10:13:50 am
Ok.  If you expand the definition of "unknown" to encompass every uncertainty, then every team, before the season begins, is full of unknowns.  I can't honestly say I know how things will have panned out for us by next March, nor can anyone.  Nonetheless, relative to a lot of years, and relative to a lot of other college teams, our team has fewer unknowns, in my opinion.  No one would be foolish enough to say we have no unknowns.  However, on the whole we have a lot of experienced players coming back, lots of seniors, two star guards who were carrying the team by the end of last year.  There are lots of sound reasons to expect a lot from this team.  I expect a lot of continuity with last year, which, to me, at least, means I think I know what to expect, not that I won't get any surprises at all on the way to next March.

He had 4 main players last season (Moses, Dusty, Macon, Barford). We have 2 this season that are clear. After that? Unknown to what degree players are going to produce/contribute. Unknown who is going to start outside of Barford and Macon. Unknown how much more of a role guys like Thomas, Cook, Bailey, Thompson, Jones can handle compared to last season. I think we can safely assume Beard can handle a bigger role. Unknown how well we'll shoot the ball. Unknown how well players will little-to-no experience are going to defend or acclimate to D1 officiating/competition. We do have a lot of players returning but I'm not sure that necessarily translates to safe expectations given the limited roles half of those seniors played last season. Bump that uncertainty up against a really stout schedule and we might be in for a rocky road early on. Or they could come out gang busters. We'll see.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Hawg Red on October 02, 2017, 10:14:22 am
Why on earth would Khalil redshirt?

Heart condition comes to mind. I know he's been cleared medically and is practicing, though. I don't know why else he would redshirt.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: BannerMountainMan on October 02, 2017, 10:27:38 am
He had 4 main players last season (Moses, Dusty, Macon, Barford). We have 2 this season that are clear. After that? Unknown to what degree players are going to produce/contribute. Unknown who is going to start outside of Barford and Macon. Unknown how much more of a role guys like Thomas, Cook, Bailey, Thompson, Jones can handle compared to last season. I think we can safely assume Beard can handle a bigger role. Unknown how well we'll shoot the ball. Unknown how well players will little-to-no experience are going to defend or acclimate to D1 officiating/competition. We do have a lot of players returning but I'm not sure that necessarily translates to safe expectations given the limited roles half of those seniors played last season. Bump that uncertainty up against a really stout schedule and we might be in for a rocky road early on. Or they could come out gang busters. We'll see.
hopefully you know DT started 20 games last year and Beard started like 10, plus Trey played a lot last year.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 10:31:59 am
He had 4 main players last season (Moses, Dusty, Macon, Barford). We have 2 this season that are clear. After that? Unknown to what degree players are going to produce/contribute. Unknown who is going to start outside of Barford and Macon. Unknown how much more of a role guys like Thomas, Cook, Bailey, Thompson, Jones can handle compared to last season. I think we can safely assume Beard can handle a bigger role. Unknown how well we'll shoot the ball. Unknown how well players will little-to-no experience are going to defend or acclimate to D1 officiating/competition. We do have a lot of players returning but I'm not sure that necessarily translates to safe expectations given the limited roles half of those seniors played last season. Bump that uncertainty up against a really stout schedule and we might be in for a rocky road early on. Or they could come out gang busters. We'll see.
Yes, a lot of unknowns, but I still say fewer than usual.  I expect Macon and Barford to own this team, maybe three or four others to emerge as reliable contributors, based on what we already know about them (Beard, Thomas, Gafford, and Thompson perhaps?).  I think we're getting to the point of arguing over semantics.  I don't at all deny that there are many uncertainties, but there always are before a season starts.  I'm just saying fewer uncertainties than we've had the last few years, fewer uncertainties than most teams.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 11:07:29 am
hopefully you know DT started 20 games last year and Beard started like 10, plus Trey played a lot last year.

You’re talking like they averaged 10 points a game last year. Just because they are returning doesn’t make them proven...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 11:11:49 am
Heart condition comes to mind. I know he's been cleared medically and is practicing, though. I don't know why else he would redshirt.

Yes he was “cleared” but we are talking about a heart issue. Hopefully CMA will announce some good news about him when speaking with the media about practice...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Fan701 on October 02, 2017, 11:17:50 am
Yes he was “cleared” but we are talking about a heart issue. Hopefully CMA will announce some good news about him when speaking with the media about practice...
I might be wrong, but I think MA announced that he was fine months ago.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 02, 2017, 11:18:57 am
I might be wrong, but I think MA announced that he was fine months ago.

You are correct
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 11:19:23 am
Yes he was “cleared” but we are talking about a heart issue. Hopefully CMA will announce some good news about him when speaking with the media about practice...

I seriously doubt he would be playing basketball right now and running up and down Cleveland Hill if there was something wrong with his heart. He wouldn't red shirt he would be like rawleigh Williams and would have retired from basketball.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 11:19:38 am
I might be wrong, but I think MA announced that he was fine months ago.

You are correct but he still didn’t practice 100% after the announcement...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 11:21:47 am
You are correct but he still didn’t practice 100% after the announcement...

So he was at 99.9% capacity then? I think coach saying he was fine means he was fine.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 11:23:01 am
So he was at 99.9% capacity then? I think coach saying he was fine means he was fine.

Ok smartass
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 11:24:55 am
Ok smartass

 ;D
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Post by: razorback1829 on October 02, 2017, 01:39:32 pm
So he was at 99.9% capacity then? I think coach saying he was fine means he was fine.

As of now, Khalil is not cleared to play. Straight from a source inside the team. Still hasn't been cleared all the way and might not be.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 02, 2017, 01:47:54 pm
As of now, Khalil is not cleared to play. Straight from a source inside the team. Still hasn't been cleared all the way and might not be.

Name the source because he can't practice if so. This is a heart condition not an orthopedic problem. Has there been a relapse?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 01:56:33 pm
As of now, Khalil is not cleared to play. Straight from a source inside the team. Still hasn't been cleared all the way and might not be.

If this is true it might explain why there have been some talk the coaches signing 7 players in the 2018 class. I hope that this would not be the case but would be our luck.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Hawg Red on October 02, 2017, 02:39:23 pm
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/914936999194357760
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 02:52:47 pm
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/914936999194357760

 Now we’re down to only 10 scholarship players who are available. Not a lot of margin for error and especially no room for injuries or suspensions.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 02, 2017, 02:53:13 pm
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/914936999194357760

Dang. Praying for him
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 02:53:28 pm
 This is really big news. Why are we only now hearing about it?
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Post by: masondh on October 02, 2017, 02:54:55 pm
Has he been involved in the conditioning workouts?
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Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 02:55:57 pm
 The freshmen are going to have to really step up. Gabe may even have a big role this year.  If we do end up having to sign another guard to take Khalil‘s place then I hope we are still good with Ramey.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Hawg Red on October 02, 2017, 03:35:53 pm
Please let this kid be able to play. Not even for us, for him. This kid has worked relentlessly for years in preparation for this. This is his dream in life. It would kill me for that to be taken away from my son.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: navyhog24 on October 02, 2017, 03:37:54 pm
The freshmen are going to have to really step up. Gabe may even have a big role this year.  If we do end up having to sign another guard to take Khalil‘s place then I hope we are still good with Ramey.

I doubt it. I think for Khalil's spot, the staff will see how it goes this season for him. If they have to get someone else, then we will likely see new names coming up in the spring.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 04:05:08 pm
This is really big news. Why are we only now hearing about it?

I tried to tell you...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 04:06:46 pm
I tried to tell you...

So, you just found out today too?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 04:09:20 pm
So, you just found out today too?

No, I’ve been saying he hasn’t practiced 100% since this summer. Can’t remember what other thread I put it in. Kevin has known for a while too but out of respect for his family he didn’t release the detailed information.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 04:09:58 pm
Cook suspended, Garland out indefinitely. maybe it’s time for me to recalculate my expectations for the season. I was really counting on Garland getting some quality minutes  so CJ Jones is really going to have to step it up this year big time
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: Pinto on October 02, 2017, 04:14:47 pm
Cook suspended, Garland out indefinitely. maybe it’s time for me to recalculate my expectations for the season. I was really counting on Garland getting some quality minutes  so CJ Jones is really going to have to step it up this year big time

I think CJ will be ready to make an impact this season. Hopefully Daedae and Gabe are ready. Again, there are a lot of unknowns this season...
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: HawgsPolo on October 02, 2017, 05:19:21 pm
Cook suspended, Garland out indefinitely. maybe it’s time for me to recalculate my expectations for the season. I was really counting on Garland getting some quality minutes  so CJ Jones is really going to have to step it up this year big time

Garland being out indefinitely is false information sir.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 05:43:10 pm
Garland being out indefinitely is false information sir.

So you think you know when he will be fully cleared to play? If so, give me a date please so I will know when he will definitely be back.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: OS2 (SW) Razor Back on October 02, 2017, 05:50:24 pm
So, has practice started or not?
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 02, 2017, 06:06:46 pm
So, has practice started or not?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/new-season-new-swag/
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: The_Bionic_Pig on October 03, 2017, 02:02:46 am
Yep.  We should be a battle-tested team this year.  For me the biggest unknown is C.J. Jones, maybe even more so than the freshmen since, as you write, those who follow recruiting already know a good bit about our freshmen.  Jones is a great athlete, a deadly shooter.  Will the rest of his game have improved enough so that he's on the court a lot?  Will he be the star we are all hoping for, or a flop?  I'm betting on the former, and I can't wait to watch.

Jones has next level potential but was completely lost on Defense which kept him securely on the pine.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: farfromgroovins on October 03, 2017, 10:21:07 am
Jones has next level potential but was completely lost on Defense which kept him securely on the pine.

That didn't keep Dusty from playing. Not trying to be a jerk but trying to understand what I saw out of Dusty vs what Jones will provide. Dusty may not have been "lost" but was definitely a liability on D.
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Post by: 311Hog on October 03, 2017, 10:37:52 am
That didn't keep Dusty from playing. Not trying to be a jerk but trying to understand what I saw out of Dusty vs what Jones will provide. Dusty may not have been "lost" but was definitely a liability on D.


dusty scored way more than jones.
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Post by: farfromgroovins on October 03, 2017, 10:39:07 am
dusty scored way more than jones.

No doubt, but if Jones is next level potential, then I would expect to see him sooner or later regardless of his deficiencies on D.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: gogamer on October 03, 2017, 12:06:27 pm
Huge difference between "slow" on defense . . . and "lost" on defense

Slow can make up for it with anticipation.

Lost is just . . . . lost.  And lost will never be NBA ready.
Title: Re: Has Practice Started?
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 03, 2017, 12:37:50 pm
Jones has next level potential but was completely lost on Defense which kept him securely on the pine.

Didn't look lost to me when I saw him play. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 03, 2017, 12:48:16 pm
Hopefully CJ is comfortable now. You can’t have the most athletic player on team sitting on the bench
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 08:20:58 am
Tons of notes from practice: http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/oct/03/observations-arkansas-basketball-practice/
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 08:21:34 am
Hopefully CJ is comfortable now. You can’t have the most athletic player on team sitting on the bench

The report above states he has tightened up his handles and is much more confident with the ball. Great news!
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 08:49:05 am
Tons of notes from practice: http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/oct/03/observations-arkansas-basketball-practice/

great info thanks for the post.  We should be a solid team that i would expect to challenge in the SEC and make the dance.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 04, 2017, 09:03:50 am
This team will be most exciting team we’ve had in a while. Hopefully we will be able to say this was the best team we had in a while at the end of the season...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 09:16:09 am
Love seeing that we are longer and more athletic.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 04, 2017, 10:17:50 am
Love seeing that we are longer and more athletic.

and experienced at the guard position.  our 3 point % will likely drop but it won't be like in the past where it was almost awful.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Mr. Barnett (rbarnet424) on October 04, 2017, 10:22:35 am
a couple of videos from practice

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525052380903835/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525004110908662/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525002917575448/

heres a video of Garland at least participating in some of it

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525050747570665/
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 10:50:11 am
a couple of videos from practice

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525052380903835/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525004110908662/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525002917575448/

heres a video of Garland at least participating in some of it

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525050747570665/

I'm not sure losing Garland would lose us any games, but having Garland could definitely help us win a few extra...if that makes any sense. He is a solid 6'5" with great handles and the ability to finish at the rim. Shot improved as well.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: HoopS on October 04, 2017, 12:26:38 pm
Who is what numbers? 3, 10, 11
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: navyhog24 on October 04, 2017, 12:35:56 pm
10 is Gafford. 3 is Garland. 11 is the new transfer, Jalen Harris.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 12:37:15 pm
Who is what numbers? 3, 10, 11

#3  Khalil Garland
#10 Daniel Gafford
#11 Jalen Harris (has to redshirt)
#20 Darious Hall
#22 Gabe Osabuohien
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: azhog10 on October 04, 2017, 12:41:01 pm
Who is what numbers? 3, 10, 11
3-Garland 10-Gafford 11-Harris
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 04, 2017, 02:22:16 pm
and experienced at the guard position.  our 3 point % will likely drop but it won't be like in the past where it was almost awful.

What makes you think our 3pt % will drop?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 02:34:46 pm
What makes you think our 3pt % will drop?

The threes that were going to Dusty will now be shot by someone else. I too think it will go down, but I think this team will get more looks at the rim from the guards due to increased size.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 04, 2017, 02:58:17 pm
The threes that were going to Dusty will now be shot by someone else. I too think it will go down, but I think this team will get more looks at the rim from the guards due to increased size.

Dusty put up a bunch of bad shots from beyond the arc so that’s not necessarily true. I don’t think we will put up as many threes this year because Dusty was a volume shooter. If it does go down, it won’t be a significant drop...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on October 04, 2017, 04:14:16 pm
Reading about the "length and Athleticism" along with Anderson's remark about being "ahead in conditioning" probably is what got me the most excited.   This means the defense and transition will be ready from the start and wearing down the opposing teams.  Could be a fun year.   ;D
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 04, 2017, 04:23:53 pm
Reading about the "length and Athleticism" along with Anderson's remark about being "ahead in conditioning" probably is what got me the most excited.   This means the defense and transition will be ready from the start and wearing down the opposing teams.  Could be a fun year.   ;D

We're going to have so much proven scoring and leadership that we didn't have until the end of last year from day 1. It's going to allow the newcomer to just fill in and add to it. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hogs49ers on October 04, 2017, 04:30:47 pm
Man I am extremely excited after reading that practice report, I cannot wait until that early season tourney and hope that we get our shot at UNC in the second game.

Our basketball and baseball teams this year make having a terrible football team not so bad.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ModestoHOG63 on October 04, 2017, 04:44:50 pm
We're going to have so much proven scoring and leadership that we didn't have until the end of last year from day 1. It's going to allow the newcomer to just fill in and add to it.

 ;D
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: hogwood on October 04, 2017, 09:02:43 pm
a couple of videos from practice

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525052380903835/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525004110908662/

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525002917575448/

heres a video of Garland at least participating in some of it

https://www.facebook.com/pigtrailnation/videos/1525050747570665/

Love seeing Adrio Bailey make those mid-range pop out jumpers! He could take a huge leap this year if he can do that in-game.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: SoonerSooie on October 05, 2017, 05:06:56 am
Love the report! Thanks!!
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 07:16:45 am
Love seeing Adrio Bailey make those mid-range pop out jumpers! He could take a huge leap this year if he can do that in-game.

Especially along the baseline. He will find himself a lot in that spot.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 08:06:00 am
We're going to have so much proven scoring and leadership that we didn't have until the end of last year from day 1. It's going to allow the newcomer to just fill in and add to it.

What proven scoring do we have this year from Day 1 that we didn’t have Day 1 from Dusty and Moses last year?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 05, 2017, 08:39:21 am
What proven scoring do we have this year from Day 1 that we didn’t have Day 1 from Dusty and Moses last year?

My feeling is people thought Dusty was an excellent 3 point shooter but a liability on defense and probably wouldn't score many 2's.

They also thought Moses would block shots and dunk a few times but not much else in the way of offensive game.

I think Barford and Macon are complete players hence the proven scoring.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 09:02:16 am
What proven scoring do we have this year from Day 1 that we didn’t have Day 1 from Dusty and Moses last year?

Barford and Macon.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 09:43:35 am
Barford, Macon, Thompson, Beard, Thomas, and Bailey all have valuable experience playing in big NCAA Tournament games. That experience will be vital to this teams performance this year. You've got guys who have been there and want another chance at it.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: East TN HAWG on October 05, 2017, 10:01:02 am
The threes that were going to Dusty will now be shot by someone else. I too think it will go down, but I think this team will get more looks at the rim from the guards due to increased size.

I agree, but I also think our opponents 3% will drop.  Increased length and athleticism should improve our perimeter defense.  Its hard to shoot over long fast guys that can jump.  I'm hoping we shoot overall at a higher percentage driven by fast breaks and dunks.   
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 12:16:49 pm
What proven scoring do we have this year from Day 1 that we didn’t have Day 1 from Dusty and Moses last year?

Macon and Barford averaged 26.2 points last year as juniors. Moses and Dusty averaged around 32 points a game as returning seniors form their junior seasons.  You could see that as a bit of a drop off but you have to take into account that Barford and Macon's production came as 1st year D1 players out of juco and you will see them be more prepared out of the gate this season after the "juco adjustment" that we have come to expect from most juco players.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 12:40:40 pm
Macon and Barford averaged 26.2 points last year as juniors. Moses and Dusty averaged around 32 points a game as returning seniors form their junior seasons.  You could see that as a bit of a drop off but you have to take into account that Barford and Macon's production came as 1st year D1 players out of juco and you will see them be more prepared out of the gate this season after the "juco adjustment" that we have come to expect from most juco players.

During the SEC and NCAA Tournament last year, they averaged a combined 30 ppg.

I expect these guys to come out strong early, especially in the tournament in Oregon.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 05, 2017, 12:50:00 pm
it would not surprise me if Macon and Barford are all conference, and Gafford all freshman team.

If we can get enough from everyone else could have a season as good as last year's or better.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 01:06:30 pm
it would not surprise me if Macon and Barford are all conference, and Gafford all freshman team.

If we can get enough from everyone else could have a season as good as last year's or better.

I think that is very likely. Gafford is going to impress a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised either if he makes it. Barford and Macon will probably both make the 2nd team All-SEC.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 01:08:41 pm
I think that is very likely. Gafford is going to impress a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised either if he makes it. Barford and Macon will probably both make the 2nd team All-SEC.

If these things happen, we should have a really good year.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 01:10:15 pm
No more word on practices since the 1st day. Would love to get daily impressions. Anybody got something new?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 05, 2017, 03:15:33 pm
Macon and Barford averaged 26.2 points last year as juniors. Moses and Dusty averaged around 32 points a game as returning seniors form their junior seasons.  You could see that as a bit of a drop off but you have to take into account that Barford and Macon's production came as 1st year D1 players out of juco and you will see them be more prepared out of the gate this season after the "juco adjustment" that we have come to expect from most juco players.

Yeah but you’re comparing stats of returning seniors from one of the worst Razorback teams in a while to a Razorback team that went to the tournament...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 05, 2017, 03:36:41 pm
What proven scoring do we have this year from Day 1 that we didn’t have Day 1 from Dusty and Moses last year?

It took barford especially and macon a little bit all the way until late in the year for them to really dominate.  They turned it over early in the year and didn't quite have that jazz in their game that they did later in the year.  Same thing with our 4's.  We should have them playing at a high level from day 1.   
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 03:52:02 pm
Yeah but you’re comparing stats of returning seniors from one of the worst Razorback teams in a while to a Razorback team that went to the tournament...

I know its not a perfect comparison but, it's all I got. We really had more scorers on the team last year so the numbers are kinda skewed because, after Dusty, Moses and Anthlon, we didn't have much scoring punch.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 05, 2017, 04:16:05 pm
I know its not a perfect comparison but, it's all I got. We really had more scorers on the team last year so the numbers are kinda skewed because, after Dusty, Moses and Anthlon, we didn't have much scoring punch.

Beard has averaged 7 ppg over the last 2 seasons.

Barford averaged 17 a game over his last 10 games. Not unreasonable to expect something close to that this season. Macon averaged 15 over that same stretch.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 04:23:55 pm
Beard has averaged 7 ppg over the last 2 seasons.

It's time for him to step up into double digits this year. What other potential double-digit scorers besides Macon, Harford and Beard do you see on the team this year?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 05, 2017, 04:25:18 pm
Beard has averaged 7 ppg over the last 2 seasons.

I really hope he has a breakout season this year. Not asking for 13ppg or anything just good decision making and an efficient player. I honestly think we will get 35 ppg from both Macon and JB this year and 25 more from the other 3 starters. Hopefully we’ll have some fire power off the bench from somewhere...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 05, 2017, 04:27:34 pm
It's time for him to step up into double digits this year. What other potential double-digit scorers besides Macon, Harford and Beard do you see on the team this year?

I really think Gafford will give us 10-12 ppg just from hustle points and alley oops. Would be great if CJ Jones plays up to his potential and give us 8-10. There’s a lot of hidden potential that could possibly be tapped this season.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 05, 2017, 04:31:05 pm
I really think Gafford will give us 10-12 ppg just from hustle points and alley oops. Would be great if CJ Jones plays up to his potential and give us 8-10. There’s a lot of hidden potential that could possibly be tapped this season.

I look for Dustin Thomas  to improve his point totals this year and be one of those guys who can give us double-digit points almost every night.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: RebHog on October 05, 2017, 05:06:11 pm
Especially along the baseline. He will find himself a lot in that spot.

This jumper was available a lot last year and we just didn't have anyone really take a good advantage of it. I hope he or someone else can capitalize this year in this area.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 06:32:21 pm
It took barford especially and macon a little bit all the way until late in the year for them to really dominate.  They turned it over early in the year and didn't quite have that jazz in their game that they did later in the year.  Same thing with our 4's.  We should have them playing at a high level from day 1.   

My man, we had two 16 PPG scorers returning Day 1 last season. If anything, we have LESS proven scoring coming into this season. We had Barford and Macon coming into last season to go with Moses and Dusty. Barford scored in double figures in all but 4 games before SEC play. Macon failed to score double figures in only 3 games before SEC play. So the notion that they didn't turn it on scoring the ball (which what we're talking about here) is completely false. You'd have to reach pretty hard to find two players on this roster that will provide us with the scoring that Macon and Barford did to supplement Dusty and Moses.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 06:33:01 pm
My feeling is people thought Dusty was an excellent 3 point shooter but a liability on defense and probably wouldn't score many 2's.

They also thought Moses would block shots and dunk a few times but not much else in the way of offensive game.

I think Barford and Macon are complete players hence the proven scoring.

Reach.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 06:34:18 pm
Barford and Macon.

Okay, Moses and Dusty scored more than those two did coming into last season. So where is more proven scoring coming from?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 06:37:43 pm
Macon and Barford averaged 26.2 points last year as juniors. Moses and Dusty averaged around 32 points a game as returning seniors form their junior seasons.  You could see that as a bit of a drop off but you have to take into account that Barford and Macon's production came as 1st year D1 players out of juco and you will see them be more prepared out of the gate this season after the "juco adjustment" that we have come to expect from most juco players.

But we had Dusty and Moses + Barford and Macon coming into last season. Do we have two players currently on the roster that a good bets to be ready-made scorers like Macon and Barford were coming in from JUCO? The consensus expectation here on Hogville is that we wouldn't see too much of the "JUCO adjustment" for those two. I just don't see that on this roster. I think Beard will average around 11 PPG. I could see Gafford being around there as well, but I'm not nearly as confident in that as I was Barford and Macon doing what they did last season going into this season.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: HawgsPolo on October 05, 2017, 06:45:29 pm
Scoring has never been an issue for MA’s teams. I’m not worried
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 06:47:00 pm
Scoring has never been an issue for MA’s teams. I’m not worried

Agreed. But I wouldn't say we have more proven scoring coming into this season compared to last season.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: PonderinHog on October 05, 2017, 06:50:09 pm
Hopefully, CJ gets hot early and often.  Gafford and Thompson will get theirs.  Somebody will step up.  They always do.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 05, 2017, 08:37:55 pm
Okay, Moses and Dusty scored more than those two did coming into last season. So where is more proven scoring coming from?

Scored more on an awful team...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 05, 2017, 09:23:33 pm
Scored more on an awful team...

“Awful” is a little strong. Give that team 2 more players that can play in a rotation and it’s probably an NIT team. Not a bad team, just got hit by a tornando in the offseason. It would have been truly awful without them.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 05, 2017, 09:36:24 pm
“Awful” is a little strong. Give that team 2 more players that can play in a rotation and it’s probably an NIT team. Not a bad team, just got hit by a tornando in the offseason. It would have been truly awful without them.

Team was awful bro, cut it out
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 10:00:05 pm
Team was awful bro, cut it out

Yeah, 16-16 on a really bad schedule.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 06, 2017, 08:55:51 am
My man, we had two 16 PPG scorers returning Day 1 last season. If anything, we have LESS proven scoring coming into this season. We had Barford and Macon coming into last season to go with Moses and Dusty. Barford scored in double figures in all but 4 games before SEC play. Macon failed to score double figures in only 3 games before SEC play. So the notion that they didn't turn it on scoring the ball (which what we're talking about here) is completely false. You'd have to reach pretty hard to find two players on this roster that will provide us with the scoring that Macon and Barford did to supplement Dusty and Moses.

And this is where we can agree to disagree.

Last year Barford and Macon were highly rated recruits, but they hadn't proven anything on the D1 level and they clearly got better as the season went on.

Last year's team had 2 proven guys as you mentioned.  one was a 3 point specialist and the other was a dunker rim protector. All the talk about that team was that we hoped Dusty would become an 'avg' defender and that Moses would develop a low post game.  I think both things happened to a certain extent.

It is in no way a "reach" to believe that Macon and Barford will improve upon their junior campaigns.  So low teens as juniors will probably translate to high teens as Seniors, then you toss in a motivated, and in shape Beard.

I dunno about you but when i see teams with 3 senior guards that can play i get high hopes for the season.

Gafford and the freshman being the xfactor if you will in this season it is not impossible to feel like this year's team will be better than the last, at least on defense and that is where MA focus's on first we probably won't lead the league in scoring but i do not expect much of a drop off.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on October 06, 2017, 10:14:02 am
I like Barford, Macon, Thompson and Gafford more than I did Hannahs, Moses, Barford and Macon coming in last year.  I also like what we have behind them better.  Seems to me we have upgraded on ability and experience overall...if Gafford is all we think he is.  If Gafford has anything close to a freshmen all-American season we will be very good. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 06, 2017, 11:47:55 am
Team was awful bro, cut it out

That team lost 7 games by 5 points or less and had to play Keaton Miles 15 minutes a game due to a lack of depth. Beard was out of a 3rd of the season and wasn't very effective when he came back due to the missed time. Trey Thompson went from 2 MPG in half the games to 17 MPG in every game. I'm under no illusion that JaCorey Williams has the season he had at MTSU if he sticks at Arkansas, but having him and Beard for a full season is likely the difference between 16-16 and 19-20 wins. A Mike Anderson team can't be successful without depth and that team was extremely shallow due to outside circumstances all hitting at once.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Truth Hog on October 06, 2017, 11:54:08 am
Team was awful bro, cut it out

I would consider awful being the 2008-2009 team that went 2-14 in SEC play...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 06, 2017, 12:00:46 pm
And this is where we can agree to disagree.

Last year Barford and Macon were highly rated recruits, but they hadn't proven anything on the D1 level and they clearly got better as the season went on.

Last year's team had 2 proven guys as you mentioned.  one was a 3 point specialist and the other was a dunker rim protector. All the talk about that team was that we hoped Dusty would become an 'avg' defender and that Moses would develop a low post game.  I think both things happened to a certain extent.

It is in no way a "reach" to believe that Macon and Barford will improve upon their junior campaigns.  So low teens as juniors will probably translate to high teens as Seniors, then you toss in a motivated, and in shape Beard.

I dunno about you but when i see teams with 3 senior guards that can play i get high hopes for the season.

Gafford and the freshman being the xfactor if you will in this season it is not impossible to feel like this year's team will be better than the last, at least on defense and that is where MA focus's on first we probably won't lead the league in scoring but i do not expect much of a drop off.

Another reach would be insinuating that I said Barford and Macon can't improve upon their junior campaigns. I'm talking about the statement that we have more proven scoring to start out than we did last season and I think, at best, you could only argue that it's about the same unless there is a new, lower-bar definition for proven.

As mentioned previously, the points will come from somewhere. But I don't think we can really be too sure how and where outside of Barford, Macon, and probably Beard. I've been vocal about Beard having a "big" senior season and I appeared to be in the minority on that. But, if we're all being honest, we've been kind of waiting on more from Beard to this point. Wouldn't consider his scoring contributions "proven." I like the make-up and potential of the team, but there isn't much proven outside of Macon and Barford in terms of scoring (to the original point). Them improving from last year doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: 311Hog on October 06, 2017, 12:07:17 pm
Another reach would be insinuating that I said Barford and Macon can't improve upon their junior campaigns. I'm talking about the statement that we have more proven scoring to start out than we did last season and I think, at best, you could only argue that it's about the same unless there is a new, lower-bar definition for proven.

As mentioned previously, the points will come from somewhere. But I don't think we can really be too sure how and where outside of Barford, Macon, and probably Beard. I've been vocal about Beard having a "big" senior season and I appeared to be in the minority on that. But, if we're all being honest, we've been kind of waiting on more from Beard to this point. Wouldn't consider his scoring contributions "proven." I like the make-up and potential of the team, but there isn't much proven outside of Macon and Barford in terms of scoring (to the original point). Them improving from last year doesn't change that.

I understand that your argument is basically semantics that you do not agree that a team of 2nd year Barford, Macon, Beard is more "proven at scoring" than the previous team of Hannahs and Moses. 

I agree with the point that i feel we are more proven and you do not that is fine it is a pretty close measure to be sure. 

Also i have been waiting on Beard for awhile, i am honestly surprised he is still here considering all that has happened through his career.  It is part of why i feel a bit more on the proven side i feel like a solid to elite 3 guard combo is what we will have.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 06, 2017, 12:20:02 pm
I would consider awful being the 2008-2009 team that went 2-14 in SEC play...

That 2008 team was more talented though. Just had horrible coaching which led to 0 discipline in locker room...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 01:04:56 pm
I really think Gafford will give us 10-12 ppg just from hustle points and alley oops. Would be great if CJ Jones plays up to his potential and give us 8-10. There’s a lot of hidden potential that could possibly be tapped this season.

I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 06, 2017, 01:08:34 pm
I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones.

You are joking, right? I love CJ's potential and think he is going to be a major contributor, but 20ppg?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Amityvillehogger on October 06, 2017, 02:04:00 pm
I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones. 

20 PPG? Sheesh. That would put him in the top 10 of season averages in program history.

All from a guy that didn't get off the bench much after early season tune ups.

I'm all for him providing quality minutes but dang man.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 06, 2017, 02:26:23 pm
I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones.

Haha! National Champs if so! I would be ecstatic if CJ gave us 8 PPG
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 06, 2017, 02:30:14 pm
Haha! National Champs if so! I would be ecstatic if CJ gave us 8 PPG

I'd be ecstatic with 10 to 12 but only eight? Meh.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 06, 2017, 02:35:16 pm
I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones. 

If CJ gave us 20 a game, and it wasn't on 40 shots,  we'd be National Title contenders.

Realistically, 6 to 8 is a good target for him this year.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Dominicanhog on October 06, 2017, 02:40:23 pm


Realistically, 6 to 8 is a good target for him this year.

Yep.. along with several others... 5 or 6 people in this range with 3 double digit scores puts you @ 80 +....
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 06, 2017, 03:18:47 pm
I'd be ecstatic with 10 to 12 but only eight? Meh.

From CJ? A player who didn’t play last year? 10-12 points is a bit irrational
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: mhuff on October 06, 2017, 03:25:45 pm
From CJ? A player who didn’t play last year? 10-12 points is a bit irrational

Normally I would agree with you ,but I thought he should have played last year, plus, I don't think his defense was what was keeping him off the floor. If he gets the minutes he might average more than 10-12. Additionally, I am expecting a spike in points after turnovers.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 06, 2017, 03:34:07 pm
From CJ? A player who didn’t play last year? 10-12 points is a bit irrational

Well, I don't get ecstatic as easily as some so what I'm saying is that I think 8 points is well within CJ's ability but if he were to exceed my expectations and get 10-12, I would be ecstatic and rightfully so. You don't go getting ecstatic over any old thing.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 06, 2017, 03:43:50 pm
CJ isn't going to be shooting many free throws, so getting to 10 ppg next year will be tough. Elite scorers find a way to get to the line. I could see him averaging two 3's a game and either a layup or pull up jumper. So right about 8 ppg would be good for him.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 06, 2017, 03:48:11 pm
I don’t think you guys realize how difficult it would be for him to Average 10-12 ppg with Macon and Barford on the court. I don’t see CJ starting most of the games, so he could be the spark plug off the bench which in that case, yes he could average 10-12 IF he is comfortable and plays up to his potential. I just don’t expect that out of him this season so 8-10 from him is more than enough
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 05:17:37 pm
20 PPG? Sheesh. That would put him in the top 10 of season averages in program history.

All from a guy that didn't get off the bench much after early season tune ups.

I'm all for him providing quality minutes but dang man.
Haha! National Champs if so! I would be ecstatic if CJ gave us 8 PPG
If CJ gave us 20 a game, and it wasn't on 40 shots,  we'd be National Title contenders.

Realistically, 6 to 8 is a good target for him this year.
You are joking, right? I love CJ's potential and think he is going to be a major contributor, but 20ppg?

I get that its pretty mind blowing to think about, but man, if he didn't get 20 PPG in Europe, he could've with a few more minutes.  I know, its a completely different level of defense they faced in Europe.  If given minutes and the green light, you never know though.  Dusty Hannahs sure was high on him and endorsed his 3 point shooting. 

smh, this offense is going to be so explosive. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 06, 2017, 05:28:16 pm
I get that its pretty mind blowing to think about, but man, if he didn't get 20 PPG in Europe, he could've with a few more minutes.  I know, its a completely different level of defense they faced in Europe.  If given minutes and the green light, you never know though.  Dusty Hannahs sure was high on him and endorsed his 3 point shooting. 

smh, this offense is going to be so explosive. 

Its not mind-blowing.  Its unrealistic.    He's on a pretty standard development curve, and getting carried away with performances in low-defense environments isn't a good rational basis for hoping.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 05:36:14 pm
Its not mind-blowing.  Its unrealistic.    He's on a pretty standard development curve, and getting carried away with performances in low-defense environments isn't a good rational basis for hoping.

You don't have a crystal ball any more than I. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 06, 2017, 05:39:45 pm
You don't have a crystal ball any more than I. 

No, but I do have a season of watching him, observing shoot arounds,  listening to the staff and watching.   You would *know* if there was some kind of a leap in the development curve.  It'd show through somewhere.  They'd talk with quiet confidence about a kid ready to make a 17PPG leap as part of the plan.

You don't see those things for a reason. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 07:41:19 pm
No, but I do have a season of watching him, observing shoot arounds,  listening to the staff and watching.   You would *know* if there was some kind of a leap in the development curve.  It'd show through somewhere.  They'd talk with quiet confidence about a kid ready to make a 17PPG leap as part of the plan.

You don't see those things for a reason.

My question is that, why, out of anybody that could have offensively exploded in Europe, why was it CJ that did so?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on October 06, 2017, 08:00:45 pm
I would consider awful being the 2008-2009 team that went 2-14 in SEC play...

Stan Heath's first team takes the awful cake.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 06, 2017, 08:15:43 pm
My question is that, why, out of anybody that could have offensively exploded in Europe, why was it CJ that did so?
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Because you know what he has offensively, in terms of arsenal and ability.  He's naturally going to have a big edge in athleticism over low level Euro competition as well, meaning that his success there is no surprise, as his game almost tailor made to take advantage of the differences.

There's a reason why athletic SGs and SFs almost always do well when a team tours Italy or Spain and plays against the 3rd tier of club level basketball (LEB Plata is behind LEB Oro and Liga ACB)- they're getting low level competition, particularly when it comes to athletes.   

Its no accident Adrio Bailey looked like Tarzan against such teams last summer, and played a bit more like Jane when the real season came,  either.  The same thing applies to CJ.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 08:23:55 pm
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Because you know what he has offensively, in terms of arsenal and ability.  He's naturally going to have a big edge in athleticism over low level Euro competition as well, meaning that his success there is no surprise, as his game almost tailor made to take advantage of the differences.

There's a reason why athletic SGs and SFs almost always do well when a team tours Italy or Spain and plays against the 3rd tier of club level basketball (LEB Plata is behind LEB Oro and Liga ACB)- they're getting low level competition, particularly when it comes to athletes.   

Its no accident Adrio Bailey looked like Tarzan against such teams last summer, and played a bit more like Jane when the real season came,  either.  The same thing applies to CJ.

Interesting.  So I guess the same could be said about him scoring 28 ppg in high school.  That being said, after what I saw of CJ last year, I didn't really get a sense that he will or will not be an impact player if given the minutes and able to get into a flow. 

Spain was encouraging, possibly a sign. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 06, 2017, 08:27:58 pm
Interesting.  So I guess the same could be said about him scoring 28 ppg in high school.  That being said, after what I saw of CJ last year, I didn't really get a sense that he will or will not be an impact player if given the minutes and able to get into a flow. 

Spain was encouraging, possibly a sign. 

You don't recruit guys who can't fill it up in HS-- and really, that's what low level Euro ball is-- trumped up HS ball.

CJ played about 6 minutes a game last year, and got about two and a half points;   nice production, solid shooting all around, but even playing at the same efficiency levels at 24 minutes a game, that's a 10PPG guy, not a 20.

You hope he can give you 24 minutes a game of productive play by the time he leaves, a solid to important rotation player.  You don't build your roster and your hopes around him, though.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: razorback1829 on October 06, 2017, 09:01:58 pm
No, but I do have a season of watching him, observing shoot arounds,  listening to the staff and watching.   You would *know* if there was some kind of a leap in the development curve.  It'd show through somewhere.  They'd talk with quiet confidence about a kid ready to make a 17PPG leap as part of the plan.

You don't see those things for a reason.

lol I've seen practices where he's had 30 easily. Purely his lack of playing time comes to being lost on defense (which he's improved). He's a pure scorer, even on difficult shots. He was truly a rare find late in the recruiting class. He has the instant ability to get 15 ppg just by teammates finding himS and they all know what he can do. You're underselling him which I can't be mad at.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: HogFoo on October 06, 2017, 10:07:50 pm
I am ready for basketball.  I believe that we will have a pretty decent teams.  Get to about 24-26wins, probably 2 or 3 in the sec tourney and then sweet16 maybe more.  I think that this team can be pretty dang good by the time march madness gets here. We may not get a high seed come tourney time, but teams will NOT want to play us.  I, like most anyone who is looking at what we have coming recruited, and whats to come in future stars inside the state for the future is very excited.  We lost a very good player with Moses and one of our best 3pt shooters and they will be hard to replace.  But, we do have some great talent coming and I believe that we will be a better team come Tourny time!  I believe that Barford and Macon will be another year stronger/better.  Last year, they were inconsistent at times.  But this year, I think they will be on fire out of the gate!  That will help us a lot to take up the points that we might miss from Dusty and Moses.  I do believe that Trey Thompson will step up and be big for us.  He by no means will be Moses replacement, but I think that he will give us valuable minutes.  I believe between Gafford and Trey, we will more than make up for Moses departure.  We will miss Dusty's 3pt shot more than we will miss Moses.  But, hopefully,Adrio bailey will improve on what we saw from him in the N.C. game.  Hopefully we can see something out of C J as well.  Hopefully we can see a big improvement out of Beard as well.  More consistency from him would be what id like to see the most.  Hopefully Garland will get a clear on his health, and hopefully he and our other guards will come in and fill in for depth.  I have never worried about Nolan or Mike's teams when it came to where the scoring would come from, because our defense always provided for it.  Which, with the addition of our taller guards, I believe that our defense will be much better!  it definitely will be a fun season!  Like I mentioned, I think we may have some losses early while the team is trying to figure itself out, but once we get all in sync, I think this team will be pretty dang good!  I would LOVE it if somehow we could get UNC again in the tourney and then kick their arse!
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 06, 2017, 10:25:16 pm
lol I've seen practices where he's had 30 easily. Purely his lack of playing time comes to being lost on defense (which he's improved). He's a pure scorer, even on difficult shots. He was truly a rare find late in the recruiting class. He has the instant ability to get 15 ppg just by teammates finding himS and they all know what he can do. You're underselling him which I can't be mad at.

How do you see practices?  Also, I agree with 100% of what you're saying.  I'm working with, what I presume to be, the same information as eriehog. I've seen all the highlights, watched every game, and watched every press conference. 

My hunch is based off of, why, he and not barford, Hannah's, or Macon scored all the points in Europe.  His numbers were insane, efficient too.  Then pairing that with his insane athleticism and nice shot that I've seen.  Paired with glimpses while he's played.  And when he plays, you can tell his teammates have major respect for him and are very willing to get the ball to him.  And then just when he never played last year, dusty Hannah's gives him an endorsement, and it reminds me of what a scorer he is.

I guess he didn't know defense, even though I saw him make some plays, but if he does get minutes, he just might be able to get 20 ppg while macon and barford are still getting there's.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rude1 on October 06, 2017, 11:14:46 pm
How do you see practices?  Also, I agree with 100% of what you're saying.  I'm working with, what I presume to be, the same information as eriehog. I've seen all the highlights, watched every game, and watched every press conference. 

My hunch is based off of, why, he and not barford, Hannah's, or Macon scored all the points in Europe.  His numbers were insane, efficient too.  Then pairing that with his insane athleticism and nice shot that I've seen.  Paired with glimpses while he's played.  And when he plays, you can tell his teammates have major respect for him and are very willing to get the ball to him.  And then just when he never played last year, dusty Hannah's gives him an endorsement, and it reminds me of what a scorer he is.

I guess he didn't know defense, even though I saw him make some plays, but if he does get minutes, he just might be able to get 20 ppg while macon and barford are still getting there's.
I just don't buy the "struggled catching on to the defense" when it comes to CJ. Now he might not have been a good defensive player or just simply not focusing on defense, but it's not like we run some elaborate defensive scheme that would take long to figure out. Our base defense is man to man and we switch about all ball screens, that shouldn't be that hard to figure out, find your man, guard him, ball screen comes I switch. Now maybe CJ just wasn't dialed in when it came to defense, but it would be hard for me to understand how he could be "lost" when it comes to what we do defensively.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 07, 2017, 08:38:19 am
I just don't buy the "struggled catching on to the defense" when it comes to CJ. Now he might not have been a good defensive player or just simply not focusing on defense, but it's not like we run some elaborate defensive scheme that would take long to figure out. Our base defense is man to man and we switch about all ball screens, that shouldn't be that hard to figure out, find your man, guard him, ball screen comes I switch. Now maybe CJ just wasn't dialed in when it came to defense, but it would be hard for me to understand how he could be "lost" when it comes to what we do defensively.

The conclusion I came to in my head was that C.J. probably wasn’t doing what he needed to do in practices last season and I think that is where players earn trust with Mike. Just a guess, though, because there were definitely times where is seemed we could have used some instant scoring and we were still playing guys that weren’t defending too well.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: mhuff on October 07, 2017, 08:47:43 am
The conclusion I came to in my head was that C.J. probably wasn’t doing what he needed to do in practices last season and I think that is where players earn trust with Mike. Just a guess, though, because there were definitely times where is seemed we could have used some instant scoring and we were still playing guys that weren’t defending too well.

Real head scratcher
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: tncbg on October 07, 2017, 10:21:34 am
This meme about CJ Jones being a superstar in waiting is out of control. He was a three star out of high school, not heavily recruited by any power schools, and not good enough to get on the floor last year. He’s unlikely to be a starter this year, but should get some good minutes. Expecting anything more than 6 or 8 points per game is just unreasonable. He’s almost a legend on this site before accomplishing anything at all. Stop the madness and let him play a few minutes before naming him player of the year.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 07, 2017, 11:19:24 am
This meme about CJ Jones being a superstar in waiting is out of control. He was a three star out of high school, not heavily recruited by any power schools

Doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 07, 2017, 12:17:43 pm
https://twitter.com/RazorbackMBB/status/916693056149180416
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 07, 2017, 12:19:27 pm
This meme about CJ Jones being a superstar in waiting is out of control. He was a three star out of high school, not heavily recruited by any power schools, and not good enough to get on the floor last year. He’s unlikely to be a starter this year, but should get some good minutes. Expecting anything more than 6 or 8 points per game is just unreasonable. He’s almost a legend on this site before accomplishing anything at all. Stop the madness and let him play a few minutes before naming him player of the year.

He also grew 3 inches his senior year and had programs like Tennessee trying to come in late on him, but he was solid to us. If he would have been 6'5" during his junior year when evaluations happen, he would have been much higher rated.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 07, 2017, 03:35:45 pm
https://twitter.com/RazorbackMBB/status/916693056149180416

Speaking of bad defense by CJ...good take though.  Not to over analyze but that's I think what we want to see - guys successfully taking it to the rack.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: razorback1829 on October 07, 2017, 11:16:55 pm
How do you see practices?  Also, I agree with 100% of what you're saying.  I'm working with, what I presume to be, the same information as eriehog. I've seen all the highlights, watched every game, and watched every press conference. 

My hunch is based off of, why, he and not barford, Hannah's, or Macon scored all the points in Europe.  His numbers were insane, efficient too.  Then pairing that with his insane athleticism and nice shot that I've seen.  Paired with glimpses while he's played.  And when he plays, you can tell his teammates have major respect for him and are very willing to get the ball to him.  And then just when he never played last year, dusty Hannah's gives him an endorsement, and it reminds me of what a scorer he is.

I guess he didn't know defense, even though I saw him make some plays, but if he does get minutes, he just might be able to get 20 ppg while macon and barford are still getting there's.

Well you're wrong with Macon and Hannahs scoring all the points in Europe. CJ put up alarmlngly quick points and that's due to being a PURE shooter. I blessed that I know the ppl on the staff good enough to get a good seat to practice. CMA has a visooo. For these guys and we will way dangerous than anybody will predict.  All the pieces the are there. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm excited for the season. 30+ and a reason to go meet them at the airport again! Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: razorback1829 on October 07, 2017, 11:20:07 pm
Nm
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: razorback1829 on October 07, 2017, 11:25:17 pm
How do you see practices?  Also, I agree with 100% of what you're saying.  I'm working with, what I presume to be, the same information as eriehog. I've seen all the highlights, watched every game, and watched every press conference. 

My hunch is based off of, why, he and not barford, Hannah's, or Macon scored all the points in Europe.  His numbers were insane, efficient too.  Then pairing that with his insane athleticism and nice shot that I've seen.  Paired with glimpses while he's played.  And when he plays, you can tell his teammates have major respect for him and are very willing to get the ball to him.  And then just when he never played last year, dusty Hannah's gives him an endorsement, and it reminds me of what a scorer he is.

I guess he didn't know defense, even though I saw him make some plays, but if he does get minutes, he just might be able to get 20 ppg while macon and barford are still getting there's.

He also grew 3 inches his senior year and had programs like Tennessee trying to come in late on him, but he was solid to us. If he would have been 6'5" during his junior year when evaluations happen, he would have been much higher rated.

You can be safe with your predictions. I've just seen way too much basketball and grams come together though. Much more than you, no disrespect. I'm telling you right now, don't undersell yourself. This team has everything we need to be a factor. And... next year with the young guns will be a repeat. We have the goods this year.. don't overthink it. Basketball is a simple sport haha
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 07, 2017, 11:39:31 pm
Well you're wrong with Macon and Hannahs scoring all the points in Europe. CJ put up alarmlngly quick points and that's due to being a PURE shooter. I blessed that I know the ppl on the staff good enough to get a good seat to practice. CMA has a visooo. For these guys and we will way dangerous than anybody will predict.  All the pieces the are there. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm excited for the season. 30+ and a reason to go meet them at the airport again! Go Hogs!

No man, i think you read what I Wrote wrong.  I was saying that CJ came out of Europe looking like the preeminent scorer. 

Also as far as this game winning more games than anyone predicts, like 30+, check out my signature.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 07, 2017, 11:45:02 pm
You can be safe with your predictions. I've just seen way too much basketball and grams come together though. Much more than you, no disrespect. I'm telling you right now, don't undersell yourself. This team has everything we need to be a factor. And... next year with the young guns will be a repeat. We have the goods this year.. don't overthink it. Basketball is a simple sport haha

You hear that hogville?  razorback1829 has confirmed my prediction that it wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world for CJ to avg. 20 ppg and for this team to get 30+ wins.

I do have the unique perspective however of being a mizzou fan until I went to the U of A a few years before mike came. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: razorback1829 on October 08, 2017, 01:22:05 am
You hear that hogville?  razorback1829 has confirmed my prediction that it wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world for CJ to avg. 20 ppg and for this team to get 30+ wins.

I do have the unique perspective however of being a mizzou fan until I went to the U of A a few years before mike came.

Lol not saying 20, but man 12-15 isn't unreasonable.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: tncbg on October 08, 2017, 08:47:46 am
“He also grew 3 inches his senior year and had programs like Tennessee trying to come in late on him, but he was solid to us. If he would have been 6'5" during his junior year when evaluations happen, he would have been much higher rated.”

Then he sat on the bench for an entire season.  Super athletic, pure shooting scoring machine sat because he was weak on defense. Didn’t come in for some quick scoring and never improved enough defensively to break through. Had a whole season to become just a decent defender, but could not get it. Not likely to start this year either, but 20ppg is a possibility? Makes no sense at all, but I sure would like to be wrong.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 08, 2017, 10:50:07 am
Since we’re making outlandish predictions then I’ll make mine: Gafford will average 15pts,10rebs and 4 blks and will register a triple double this season
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Kevin McPherson on October 08, 2017, 10:54:04 am
Since we’re making outlandish predictions then I’ll make mine: Gafford will average 15pts,10rebs and 4 blks and will register a triple double this season

The part I bolded is not outlandish at all.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 08, 2017, 12:15:37 pm
“He also grew 3 inches his senior year and had programs like Tennessee trying to come in late on him, but he was solid to us. If he would have been 6'5" during his junior year when evaluations happen, he would have been much higher rated.”

Then he sat on the bench for an entire season.  Super athletic, pure shooting scoring machine sat because he was weak on defense. Didn’t come in for some quick scoring and never improved enough defensively to break through. Had a whole season to become just a decent defender, but could not get it. Not likely to start this year either, but 20ppg is a possibility? Makes no sense at all, but I sure would like to be wrong.

I've seen some highlights where, when CJ dunks, his head at the rim, ok... That's freaky.  I also know he's really fast and will be getting some major transition points, like BJ Young.  I also know he has a really nice shot and can get it off against anybody.  Those are some incredible tools to have for a Bball player. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: tncbg on October 09, 2017, 10:18:48 pm
I've seen some highlights where, when CJ dunks, his head at the rim, ok... That's freaky.  I also know he's really fast and will be getting some major transition points, like BJ Young.  I also know he has a really nice shot and can get it off against anybody.  Those are some incredible tools to have for a Bball player.

Sooo, despite those incredible tools, he was glued to the bench last year.  Great players play, he sat. He’s got to prove it.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Dominicanhog on October 11, 2017, 10:50:20 am
Maybe this is his year  ...  happens every year, someone comes back and looks totally different....WPS
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 11, 2017, 01:44:20 pm
https://twitter.com/RazorbackMBB/status/918160328789082112
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 11, 2017, 02:19:58 pm
I think CJ might give us 20 PPG.  Wouldn't doubt we get 55 PPG from Barford, Macon, Jones.
OMG dumbest thing I've seen posted.  I will bet you any amount of money CJ won't average 15
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 11, 2017, 02:21:03 pm
The part I bolded is not outlandish at all.
4 blocks per game?  Has anyone ever done that in the SEC?  Will be really hard because you know he will average around 24 mpg
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 02:41:29 pm
4 blocks per game?  Has anyone ever done that in the SEC?  Will be really hard because you know he will average around 24 mpg

Jarvis Varnado did it 3 times at MSU,  Shaq averaged 5 blocks or more twice, Roy Rodgers @ Alabama was well over 4 per game for one season, and Anthony Davis is the most recent.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 11, 2017, 02:45:48 pm
Thanks Eddie
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: King Kong on October 11, 2017, 02:46:22 pm
https://twitter.com/RazorbackMBB/status/918160328789082112

Dustin Thomas's jumper looks much improved in the limited practice footage I have seen
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 11, 2017, 02:47:41 pm
Please no more 19 foot shots
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: UNCLE BACK on October 11, 2017, 02:53:47 pm
I talked to Mike during the TCU Game a few weeks back and he told me to expect big things from CJ this year!
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hawg Red on October 11, 2017, 02:58:56 pm
I talked to Mike during the TCU Game a few weeks back and he told me to expect big things from CJ this year!

What else did he tell you?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: NotSoFastMyFriend on October 11, 2017, 03:08:22 pm
So, any practice reports yet or?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: mhuff on October 11, 2017, 03:30:54 pm
OMG dumbest thing I've seen posted.  I will bet you any amount of money CJ won't average 15

I could see 13 if he gets pt
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 05:07:04 pm
Jarvis Varnado did it 3 times at MSU,  Shaq averaged 5 blocks or more twice, Roy Rodgers @ Alabama was well over 4 per game for one season, and Anthony Davis is the most recent.

Didn’t Delvon Johnson average like 3.5?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on October 11, 2017, 05:08:35 pm
Dustin Thomas's jumper looks much improved in the limited practice footage I have seen

I saw that too, and thought damn hope he can hit that in game.  And if the Kriss Kross haircut helps, keep it.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 05:36:28 pm
Didn’t Delvon Johnson average like 3.5?

No, his best was 91 blocks in 31 games;  that is 2.935 a game, just shy of 3.

Our all time record is Oliver Miller's 112 blocks in 38 games, for a 2.9497 per game average.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 06:12:31 pm
No, his best was 91 blocks in 31 games;  that is 2.935 a game, just shy of 3.

Our all time record is Oliver Miller's 112 blocks in 38 games, for a 2.9497 per game average.

Ok. Still impressive for Delvon. If Dan plays 25+ Mins this season, then I’m willing to bet he will be right at 3 bpg
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 06:34:06 pm
Ok. Still impressive for Delvon. If Dan plays 25+ Mins this season, then I’m willing to bet he will be right at 3 bpg

2 a night would be more than expected.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 06:39:58 pm
2 a night would be more than expected.

Hunter Mickelson did that with way less minutes lol. But I understand, expect the worst, hope for the best...typical Hog fan logic that we have all adapted to over these miserable years lol
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Kevin McPherson on October 11, 2017, 07:07:42 pm
4 blocks per game?  Has anyone ever done that in the SEC?  Will be really hard because you know he will average around 24 mpg

I didn't bold the averages, I bolded the "outlandish" prediction that Gafford would register a triple-double, which I don't think is that outlandish. As far the "outlandish" prediction of him avgeraging 15 pts, 10 rebs, 4 blks per game, yeah that seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 07:15:56 pm
I didn't bold the averages, I bolded the "outlandish" prediction that Gafford would register a triple-double, which I don't think is that outlandish. As far the "outlandish" prediction of him avgeraging 15 pts, 10 rebs, 4 blks per game, yeah that seems highly unlikely.

About as “outlandish” as CJ averaging 15-20 ppg
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
Hunter Mickelson did that with way less minutes lol. But I understand, expect the worst, hope for the best...typical Hog fan logic that we have all adapted to over these miserable years lol

Hunter put up 2.25, and played over 17 minutes a game.   It'll be nice if he plays more than that a game, but there is absolutely no reason to expect elite college rim protection from him out of the gate.

You're crediting him with a Top 10 or so all time defensive season for an Arkansas center, without a single minute of college ball.  Slow your roll.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 08:56:30 pm
Hunter put up 2.25, and played over 17 minutes a game.   It'll be nice if he plays more than that a game, but there is absolutely no reason to expect elite college rim protection from him out of the gate.

You're crediting him with a Top 10 or so all time defensive season for an Arkansas center, without a single minute of college ball.  Slow your roll.

You’re talking like we’ve had some elite centers in the last 20 years lol
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 09:00:35 pm
You’re talking like we’ve had some elite centers in the last 20 years lol


I'm not talking just the last 20 years.  I'm talking *ever*.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 09:03:19 pm
I'm not talking just the last 20 years.  I'm talking *ever*.

We don’t have many ever either
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 09:06:02 pm
We don’t have many ever either

Oliver Miller, Joe Klein, Andrew Lang,  Darnell Robinson, Scott Hastings-- and these are just in the last 40 years.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 11, 2017, 09:07:19 pm
Oliver Miller, Joe Klein, Andrew Lang,  Darnell Robinson, Scott Hastings-- and these are just in the last 40 years.

That’s not many
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 11, 2017, 09:10:36 pm
That’s not many

That's 5 NBA players in the last 40 years at Center.   That's a very solid group.    No wonder you think he'll average 4 3 2 a game....
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 12, 2017, 01:17:29 pm
I honestly can't see CJ averaging even 10 ppg.  Main guards that are gonna be out there a majority of the time are Beard, Macon, Barford, and Garland if he gets healthy. 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 12, 2017, 01:53:13 pm
I honestly can't see CJ averaging even 10 ppg.  Main guards that are gonna be out there a majority of the time are Beard, Macon, Barford, and Garland if he gets healthy.

CJ and/or Khalil will get minutes at the 3/wing spot
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Hogimus Prime on October 12, 2017, 01:56:05 pm
I honestly can't see CJ averaging even 10 ppg.  Main guards that are gonna be out there a majority of the time are Beard, Macon, Barford, and Garland if he gets healthy. 

MA will have a lot of different combinations for 1-3 spots.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: UNCLE BACK on October 12, 2017, 02:24:38 pm
What else did he tell you?
He actually didn't say much but he said folks better get their tickets because we were going to be fun to watch. I asked about guys improving and CJ was the guy he mentioned. Coach A doesn't say much but he really seems to be excited about this team...
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: draftkings33 on October 12, 2017, 02:29:49 pm
I think there will be games where Macon, Barford, and Beard are on the court at the same time
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: ErieHog on October 12, 2017, 03:23:35 pm
I think there will be games where Macon, Barford, and Beard are on the court at the same time

I expect this group to be the core of our crunch time lineup.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Letsroll1200 on October 12, 2017, 03:27:30 pm
CJ and/or Khalil will get minutes at the 3/wing spot

Khalil is not practicing? I think he probably has the same role that CJ had last season.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: The_Iceman on October 12, 2017, 04:27:59 pm
Khalil is not practicing? I think he probably has the same role that CJ had last season.

Garland is a superior player than CJ was last year. Garland has excellent ball handling skills and the ability to finish in the open floor with the ball in his hands.

CJ was a catch and finish/only player last year.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on October 12, 2017, 06:25:23 pm
Garland is a superior player than CJ was last year. Garland has excellent ball handling skills and the ability to finish in the open floor with the ball in his hands.

CJ was a catch and finish/only player last year.

You just go off of highlight reels and watching Arkansas games, right? 
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: mhuff on October 12, 2017, 06:38:03 pm
You just go off of highlight reels and watching Arkansas games, right? 

I think Garland is the better player by going with what the experts said. It is going to be a moot point unless his health improves. Wasn't the last report optimistic that he would be cleared. I pray that he is happy, healthy, and productive to his highest potential.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: HawgnCorona on October 12, 2017, 06:43:26 pm
Oliver Miller, Joe Klein, Andrew Lang,  Darnell Robinson, Scott Hastings-- and these are just in the last 40 years.

Dean Tolson would fit nicely if go back a few more years?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Letsroll1200 on October 12, 2017, 06:43:46 pm
Garland is a superior player than CJ was last year. Garland has excellent ball handling skills and the ability to finish in the open floor with the ball in his hands.

CJ was a catch and finish/only player last year.

I know the kid. Saw him play many games during high school. He's a winner! However, I think not being able to practice is going to hurt him this season. Hopefully he can get healthy.
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: mhuff on October 12, 2017, 06:49:51 pm
Dean Tolson would fit nicely if go back a few more years?
Title: Re: Practice Reports
Post by: Pinto on October 12, 2017, 07:47:19 pm
Khalil is not practicing? I think he probably has the same role that CJ had last season.

Probably more likely to redshirt