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Title: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 27, 2017, 08:32:16 am
Forget new monuments, expansions, or platitudes.  Long's singular legacy will be having fired Arkansas' best coach.  After castigating him and exiling him to the wilderness, he was reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality gladiators who want to compete.  As for mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones? AD Long is not one of us!  If it's about going to the trough for our SEC share, then gorge on and proceed to the vomitorium.  However, mediocrity would be better served reviving the SWC and being the lone outsider for recruits.  Bielema's 'have a nice day' attitude is contagious...just look at our players..and the fans streaming out in the 3rd quarter.  There's more excitement in the tailgating area!  Now Jeff, you created this...now it's time to complete the mission of releasing Coach Bielema!  This is part of your job description! 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 27, 2017, 08:33:36 am
Cluster Flap other than better buildings.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 27, 2017, 08:35:56 am
He will not be looked back at fondly in a few years.  His support has really plummeted over the past 2-3 seasons.

...and for the love of God, please do NOT allow him to be involved in the next head coaching search for football.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on September 27, 2017, 08:38:12 am
His legacy will depend on who you ask. One thing is for certain, he got his fame and place on the map by firing Bobby Petrino.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 08:43:22 am
I know he hs made some questionable hires, like JLS but he had to make that hire in what, April? He did hire CBP who ws an excellent hire, and CBB who was also an excellent hire at the time. I don't care what the process was or who fell in his lap. All I care about is the result, and the result was he made 2 excellent hires at the time of the hire. I am interested in seeing who his next football hire would be before I would run off a man that is considered to be one of the best AD's in the country by his peers.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: HardCore on September 27, 2017, 08:49:31 am
Same thing as Pitt.  He did the same kind of crap there that he is doing here....building a more expensive product with lower quality.  They basically chased his tail out of town.

His legacy is Self-Righteousness.  He used the CBP Fiasco to promote himself.

I would finish the primary support structure of the expansion, then not do a stick of work on it until we right this ship.  Long must go for the future of this program.  I keep hoping Nebraska will come knocking.....get him back to the BIG10 where he belongs.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: EastexHawg on September 27, 2017, 08:50:09 am
He's the man who self-imposed the death penalty on Arkansas football.  Since he made his decisions in 2012 a program that was 12-4 in the SEC over the previous two seasons, and ranked in the top ten going into the coming season, has gone 12-29 in conference.  12-29.  That's not competitive, it's not even mediocre, it is downright awful and embarrassing. 

There may be a footnote that men's basketball has won a total of two NCAA tournament games in ten years, but his crowning "achievement" will be not only presiding over, but directing the destruction of the football program that has already cost us over half a decade and will probably take the rest of one...at least...to recover from the loss of momentum and prestige we might have had going for us.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Hogwild on September 27, 2017, 08:50:42 am
He will not be looked back at fondly in a few years.  His support has really plummeted over the past 2-3 seasons.

...and for the love of God, please do NOT allow him to be involved in the next head coaching search for football.


I don't agree with you often, but can't argue with that statement.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: bphi11ips on September 27, 2017, 08:51:43 am
Trash.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 27, 2017, 09:02:20 am
He done more damage than M-16 ,the book and Teresa did all together under Nutt.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: PorkRinds on September 27, 2017, 09:14:13 am
He done more damage than M-16 ,the book and Teresa did all together under Nutt.

Complete bull darn.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: island hog on September 27, 2017, 09:23:32 am
Don't you think that he would have rather Petrino acted like a mature adult?  Do you think he was glad that Petrino did what he did?  If Petrino had kept his nose clean, he'd still be here.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 27, 2017, 09:24:09 am
Long's Super Ego aside...When Long comes down from the stratos city dwellings..ie the skyboxes to pontificate his latest commandment, I fully expect him to take a knee with Coach B and the team to further expand that ridiculous dialog.  'The powers that be' won't scold him. They are too enamored with his ability to brown nose.  I wonder if AD Long has driven a motorcycle or ridden on one?  More likely a Vespa!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: ricepig on September 27, 2017, 09:35:34 am
Forget new monuments, expansions, or platitudes.  Long's singular legacy will be having fired Arkansas' best coach.  After castigating him and exiling him to the wilderness, he was reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality gladiators who want to compete.  As for mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones? AD Long is not one of us!  If it's about going to the trough for our SEC share, then gorge on and proceed to the vomitorium.  However, mediocrity would be better served reviving the SWC and being the lone outsider for recruits.  Bielema's 'have a nice day' attitude is contagious...just look at our players..and the fans streaming out in the 3rd quarter.  There's more excitement in the tailgating area!  Thank you Jeff! 

BP fired himself, he had options to stay.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 09:38:22 am
BP fired himself, he had options to stay.

You're arguing with an idiot with an expanded vocabulary.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on September 27, 2017, 10:00:01 am
BP fired himself, he had options to stay.

Didn't JL say his only regret at the UA was 'hiring' BP ?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: LRHawg on September 27, 2017, 10:25:34 am
If the BBall team and Baseball team do well this spring, it would help to alleviate the pressure football is placing on him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 10:46:33 am
BP fired himself, he had options to stay.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on September 27, 2017, 10:52:31 am

Didn't JL say his only regret at the UA was 'hiring' BP ?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Marshfieldhog on September 27, 2017, 10:53:17 am
Long's legacy will be poor coaching hires.

1. JLS- Worst coach ever here, should be just made one of the assistants the head guy. Plus, he took him away from the team he was coaching which doesn't fit the integrity bit too well.

2. Jimmy Dykes- An ESPN announcer, just stupid.

3. CBB- Didn't fit here, should have hired a coach like Gundy that would have fit our personal and our recruiting areas.

Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Calling All Hogs on September 27, 2017, 10:59:35 am
Jeff Long is a great AD if you don't mind losing.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 27, 2017, 11:08:59 am
Our fans want sleaze. They want to hire and keep mistresses on state payroll. They want foul language tirades on national TV when we're losing.  Our fans are not interested in educating our students, teaching students responsibility for going to class, etc. They want wins and sleaze. Even if it doesn't result in a national championship or beating Bama. The want sleaze. Now! Or else!! And if you don't let us have it we'll fly banners insulting you!!!!  We'll run newspaper ads humiliating you and your bosses and families!!!!! We are not to be trifled with!!!!!!! And neither are our mistresses!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 11:09:05 am
Jeff Long is a great AD if you don't mind losing.

Losing in what? Last I checked, most of our athletic teams didn't have losing records.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 11:24:15 am
Jeff Long is a great AD if you don't mind losing.

Except for all that winning that occurred under Petrino. He hired him did he not?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Sed76 on September 27, 2017, 12:26:52 pm
Our fans want sleaze. They want to hire and keep mistresses on state payroll. They want foul language tirades on national TV when we're losing.  Our fans are not interested in educating our students, teaching students responsibility for going to class, etc. They want wins and sleaze. Even if it doesn't result in a national championship or beating Bama. The want sleaze. Now! Or else!! And if you don't let us have it we'll fly banners insulting you!!!!  We'll run newspaper ads humiliating you and your bosses and families!!!!! We are not to be trifled with!!!!!!! And neither are our mistresses!!!!!!!!!

Are you off your meds or something? Fans just want to win at a decent rate. The kids going to class and graduating is great but it's not winning football games. Why can't we have a coach who holds his kids responsible off the field but can also win some freaking games?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Calling All Hogs on September 27, 2017, 01:24:50 pm
Losing in what? Last I checked, most of our athletic teams didn't have losing records.
OK. Jeff Long is a great AD if you goal is for the UA to have most of its athletic teams not have losing records.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hawgon on September 27, 2017, 01:27:03 pm
His legacy.  Petrino at A&M prison raping Arkansas in Jerry's house every year.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Calling All Hogs on September 27, 2017, 01:28:36 pm
Except for all that winning that occurred under Petrino. He hired him did he not?
Yes. Except for that. Therefore, Jeff Long is a great AD if you are satisfied with having memories of two winning seasons ending six years ago and don't care about losing since then.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 01:29:52 pm
Yes. Except for that. Therefore, Jeff Long is a great AD if you are satisfied with having memories of two winning seasons ending six years ago and don't care about losing since then.

Except, I don't know of any fans happy with the losing?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 01:33:40 pm
OK. Jeff Long is a great AD if you goal is for the UA to have most of its athletic teams not have losing records.

Is he the Athletic Director or the Football Director? Is his job to ensure that the athletic department as a whole is healthy, or that the football department exclusively is healthy?

Lemme know.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: J-Five on September 27, 2017, 01:43:19 pm
Forget new monuments, expansions, or platitudes.  Long's singular legacy will be having fired Arkansas' best coach.  After castigating him and exiling him to the wilderness, he was reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality gladiators who want to compete.  As for mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones? AD Long is not one of us!  If it's about going to the trough for our SEC share, then gorge on and proceed to the vomitorium.  However, mediocrity would be better served reviving the SWC and being the lone outsider for recruits.  Bielema's 'have a nice day' attitude is contagious...just look at our players..and the fans streaming out in the 3rd quarter.  There's more excitement in the tailgating area!  Thank you Jeff!


"AD Long is not one of us...."  What exactly does this mean?  I disagree that we don't have to have someone born from this state to be successful (Broyles was from Georgia).  So please explain what "...one of us!" means because I'm confused.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: J-Five on September 27, 2017, 01:44:12 pm
I know he hs made some questionable hires, like JLS but he had to make that hire in what, April? He did hire CBP who ws an excellent hire, and CBB who was also an excellent hire at the time. I don't care what the process was or who fell in his lap. All I care about is the result, and the result was he made 2 excellent hires at the time of the hire. I am interested in seeing who his next football hire would be before I would run off a man that is considered to be one of the best AD's in the country by his peers.



CONCUR
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: phadedhawg on September 27, 2017, 01:45:14 pm
There's a segment of the fan base that will never fault Jeff Long for firing Bobby Petrino no matter how many games we lose.  I am a member of that segment. 

Facts are stubborn things but people are using their anger of the state of things, to pretend like there were better options after that motorcycle wreck.  We had lies, illicit payments, fraternization, special favor allegations involving the Arkansas State Police...it was a disaster.  Every choice that Petrino made, made the situation that much worse and that much harder to survive. 

Was Bielema a good hire?  Meh...can't say I will celebrate his time on the hill.  Jeff Long gave an established P5 coach a chance and proved that he will give a coach time.  I think it's good he committed long term to the coach that had to sweep up Petrino's mess. 

That's done now.  Bielema will be on his way soon.  Jeff Long's greatest failure was taking a chance on Petrino.  I respect him for doing it.  It didn't work out.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 27, 2017, 01:50:58 pm

"AD Long is not one of us...."  What exactly does this mean?  I disagree that we don't have to have someone born from this state to be successful (Broyles was from Georgia).  So please explain what "...one of us!" means because I'm confused.

He is not from the SOUTH!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 01:54:14 pm
He is not from the SOUTH!

Who exactly does this matter to?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 27, 2017, 01:58:04 pm
Who exactly does this matter to?

Many of us cause he doesn't understand our state or people.  We want to win within the rules but we are following the rule and getting hammered.  Integrity and being Uncommon is great when  you win like BAMA but otherwise sucks .
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 01:59:27 pm
Many of us cause he doesn't understand our state or people.  We want to win within the rules but we are following the rule and getting hammered.  Integrity and being Uncommon is great when  you win like BAMA but otherwise sucks .

Dude, it's 2017. It's not 1850 like you want it to be. If you honest to God are repulsed because Long "doesn't understand our people," then holy darn.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 02:02:10 pm
Many of us cause he doesn't understand our state or people.  We want to win within the rules but we are following the rule and getting hammered.  Integrity and being Uncommon is great when  you win like BAMA but otherwise sucks .

So you're ok with integrity as long as we win, but if we lose then integrity must be sacrificed? In the words of a good poster on hogville......Dude.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: phadedhawg on September 27, 2017, 02:03:31 pm
He is not from the SOUTH!

Probably his best quality.  He's replacing the coach who won a national championship in the segregation era and the fans celebrated by waving rebel flags at midfield after the game. 

He's replacing the AD who fired a black coach who won a national championship.  That coach went on to lose a suit against the UA over racism but that set our basketball back decades.  Getting another good ole boy up on the Hill was the last thing we needed.  Times have changed and we needed someone to modernize our programs.   

You fire coaches for not winning, you fire ADs for not firing coaches.  Jeff is on the clock to make a decision about Bielema but it's not like that clock started ticking 5 years ago.  It started this season. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hobhog on September 27, 2017, 02:04:53 pm
He is not from the SOUTH!

Civil war is over, Josey Wells. Go home.

OP seems to think Long is going somewhere soon. Did  I miss something?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 27, 2017, 02:08:25 pm
He ran PITT in the ditch and he has ran our program in the Ditch.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 02:11:57 pm
He ran PITT in the ditch and he has ran our program in the Ditch.

That's funny, because I think I remember a head coach of our program literally driving into a ditch.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: J-Five on September 27, 2017, 02:12:29 pm
Dude, it's 2017. It's not 1850 like you want it to be. If you honest to God are repulsed because Long "doesn't understand our people," then holy darn.


I completely agree...that backwards thinking is why outsiders look down on us (in my opinion).  I don't care where the AD is from, as long as he sheds a positive light on the program and is not involved in any scandals.  I believe Jeff Long will make the right decision pertaining to Beliema, and if he doesn't, then he'll be gone as well...
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: phadedhawg on September 27, 2017, 02:17:46 pm

I completely agree...that backwards thinking is why outsiders look down on us (in my opinion).  I don't care where the AD is from, as long as he sheds a positive light on the program and is not involved in any scandals.  I believe Jeff Long will make the right decision pertaining to Beliema, and if he doesn't, then he'll be gone as well...

+1
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 27, 2017, 03:17:08 pm
Many of us cause he doesn't understand our state or people.  We want to win within the rules but we are following the rule and getting hammered.  Integrity and being Uncommon is great when  you win like BAMA but otherwise sucks .

Unbelievable......................You realize our state (you know the one neither one of us live in anymore at last check) is very diverse, always has been and has never been a 100% completely "staunch" old south state. Also some of the parts that were and still are somewhat "old south" have lost population over the years big time and the economy in those areas is close to non-existent. I don't like that fact but that's the way it is and it is not gonna change with people believing like you do.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: moses_007 on September 27, 2017, 03:19:24 pm
He has hired two straight football coaches that couldn't coach grade school.  Nuff said.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 27, 2017, 03:23:19 pm
He has hired two straight football coaches that couldn't coach grade school.  Nuff said.

A guy that took a team to that many Rose Bowls and won that many Big 10 Championships couldn't coach a grade school team?

Speaking of grade school, let us know when you graduate 8th-grade.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 27, 2017, 03:25:44 pm
He has hired two straight football coaches that couldn't coach grade school.  Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on September 27, 2017, 03:58:40 pm
He has hired two straight football coaches that couldn't coach grade school.  Nuff said.
It's been an abysmal stretch. Combined with the winning is secondary culture that has been pumped into the equation it couldn't be any worse in my book.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: EastArkHog 47 on September 27, 2017, 04:18:25 pm
Long is going to fix the concession FUBAR that occurred the last home game, he promised it would be corrected. With attendance in the 45-55,000 range this week I think it will.
Hurrah for Jeff Long he is such a great concessionaire not so much an AD.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 27, 2017, 04:35:05 pm
A guy that took a team to that many Rose Bowls and won that many Big 10 Championships couldn't coach a grade school team?

Speaking of grade school, let us know when you graduate 8th-grade.

He's still in the sixth grade. At his level we might need to give him five more before he graduates the eight grade.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: buldozer on September 28, 2017, 12:28:04 am
There's more excitement in the tailgating area!  Thank you Jeff!
Get real. Tailgating in NWA is like a Sunday church service compared to WMS tailgating in LR. Thats one of the complaints I always hear from the NWA wine and cheese crowd about LR games. Just attended by a bunch of drunken rednecks! Is what I have heard from the NWA wine and cheese crowd. And thats their excuse for not attending the LR games, along with they don't want to drive 2 hrs to the game and the stadium is located in a bad neighborhood. Then they complain about poor attendance in LR! What a joke. Jeff is a yankee like CBB. So he is going to defend him until the last dog dies.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 28, 2017, 04:28:59 am
Are you off your meds or something? Fans just want to win at a decent rate. The kids going to class and graduating is great but it's not winning football games. Why can't we have a coach who holds his kids responsible off the field but can also win some freaking games?

I was responding to claims that Petrino was our "best coach."  Petrino is not the coach you describe. For that matter neither is Malzahn (another coach some fans idolize). These are guys that either have a history of unethical sleazy behavior, or who engage in sleazy backroom politics that ruin programs. After the Malzahn and Nutt fiasco and the Petrino scandal our HC job is not a top tier job. But many fans still want a return to the coaches who brought us the sleaze.
I want to win, too. But I don't want the sleazy coaches returning even if they win. And I'm not going to sleazily attack a coach or AD with standards for conduct and for player education just because they aren't winning. BB has had time to try to win.  Okay - let's change coaches. But our fans aren't happy just expressing the need to change coaches.  Our fans have to assassinate the character of our current coach and AD and praise the sleaziest coach in our history.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 28, 2017, 08:24:44 am
It seems my initial post has created many passionate opinions.  That was the intent!  Nobody wants a PITINO level potential scandal at the UA.  However, the best of the best athletes...who will have futures...on Sundays will always be tempted to seek 'help' for their families.  No program is immune from overzealous boosters.  The search committee who will select our new head coach MUST include faithful former Hogs...Jones, Johnson, Montgomery..to name a few. When I said 'he's not one of us', that's what I was inferring.  AD Long, in his core, can't appreciate that.  And yes, the Mason-Dixon line still exists in culture and kind.  As many have indicated here, Long's coaching selections are not A+.  That absurd golden parachute for Coach B tops the list.  The only difference in tailgating arenas is the average tax rate that each pays.  The LR games have provided many loyal South Arkansas Hog fans with the easier ability to attend a beloved game.  The bottom line is filling seats..wherever... against a challenging opponent.  Unfortunately the apathy is evident.  Thus, change is required at the AD level and with the head coach.  Coach B will enjoy his time on the beach with is youngster before he heads back to the world of cheese and brats.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: HotlantaHog on September 28, 2017, 02:45:50 pm
Jeff Long:
1. First leader of the NCAA playoff committee, a sign of his national prestige.
2. Hired and fired Petrino over ethical issues.
3. Hired John L Smith as interim coach.
4. Hired Bielema.
5. $15 million buyout for Bielema.
6. Hired Mike Anderson.
7. Generally upgraded facilities.

Trying to be fair minded. Not a fan, but there has been some good and some bad.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 28, 2017, 02:53:36 pm
Jeff Long:
1. First leader of the NCAA playoff committee, a sign of his national prestige.
2. Hired and fired Petrino over ethical issues.
3. Hired John L Smith as interim coach.
4. Hired Bielema.
5. $15 million buyout for Bielema.
6. Hired Mike Anderson.
7. Generally upgraded facilities.

Trying to be fair minded. Not a fan, but there has been some good and some bad.

I agree you are trying to be fair it seems, but you should alter it just a tad to add a small detail because it really is important.

3. Hired John L Smith as interim coach. (In late April)
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: code red on September 28, 2017, 02:55:22 pm
He will not be looked back at fondly in a few years.  His support has really plummeted over the past 2-3 seasons.

...and for the love of God, please do NOT allow him to be involved in the next head coaching search for football.
This....we will have a choir boy.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: code red on September 28, 2017, 03:01:12 pm
I was responding to claims that Petrino was our "best coach."  Petrino is not the coach you describe. For that matter neither is Malzahn (another coach some fans idolize). These are guys that either have a history of unethical sleazy behavior, or who engage in sleazy backroom politics that ruin programs. After the Malzahn and Nutt fiasco and the Petrino scandal our HC job is not a top tier job. But many fans still want a return to the coaches who brought us the sleaze.
I want to win, too. But I don't want the sleazy coaches returning even if they win. And I'm not going to sleazily attack a coach or AD with standards for conduct and for player education just because they aren't winning. BB has had time to try to win.  Okay - let's change coaches. But our fans aren't happy just expressing the need to change coaches.  Our fans have to assassinate the character of our current coach and AD and praise the sleaziest coach in our history.
Sleazy would be Coach Freeze....Art Briles....etc.   How many coaches are sleazy with the perception of being outstanding humans and are covered by the school?  Now I an not condoning what Bobby did by any means.  But, if you will remember back to 2013 the media was crucifying the UofA for firing Bobby.  Bottom line the guy is a heck of a coach.  He gets kids to do what they don't want to.  He gets kids to listen when they want to be distracted.  Arkansas will not survive on morals.....RRS will have to be filled at some point and no one is coming to watch good kids lose period.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 28, 2017, 03:03:02 pm
Sleazy would be Coach Freeze....Art Briles....etc.   How many coaches are sleazy with the perception of being outstanding humans and are covered by the school?  Now I an not condoning what Bobby did by any means.  But, if you will remember back to 2013 the media was crucifying the UofA for firing Bobby.  Bottom line the guy is a heck of a coach.  He gets kids to do what they don't want to.  He gets kids to listen when they want to be distracted.  Arkansas will not survive on morals.....RRS will have to be filled at some point and no one is coming to watch good kids lose period.

Hugh was just thrifty. He paid less for ass than Petrino did.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on September 28, 2017, 03:05:10 pm
how many programs at the university has at least a decent shot at winning a sec title?
track/cross county
baseball
men's/women's golf

any others?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on September 28, 2017, 03:07:30 pm
Sleazy would be Coach Freeze....Art Briles....etc.   How many coaches are sleazy with the perception of being outstanding humans and are covered by the school?  Now I an not condoning what Bobby did by any means.  But, if you will remember back to 2013 the media was crucifying the UofA for firing Bobby.  Bottom line the guy is a heck of a coach.  He gets kids to do what they don't want to.  He gets kids to listen when they want to be distracted.  Arkansas will not survive on morals.....RRS will have to be filled at some point and no one is coming to watch good kids lose period.

I don't remember the media crucifying Arkansas for firing Petrino.  I thought they were pretty positive toward Long and the University.  I think long got some 'I told you so" heat about how everyone thought hiring Bobby would blow up in his face, but about the firing everyone seemed to think we did the right thing in the national media. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: island hog on September 28, 2017, 03:17:13 pm
I don't remember the media crucifying Arkansas for firing Petrino.  I thought they were pretty positive toward Long and the University.  I think long got some 'I told you so" heat about how everyone thought hiring Bobby would blow up in his face, but about the firing everyone seemed to think we did the right thing in the national media. 
That's the way it was...
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Been10Hog on September 28, 2017, 03:22:26 pm
Long's legacy will be poor coaching hires.

1. JLS- Worst coach ever here, should be just made one of the assistants the head guy. Plus, he took him away from the team he was coaching which doesn't fit the integrity bit too well.

2. Jimmy Dykes- An ESPN announcer, just stupid.

3. CBB- Didn't fit here, should have hired a coach like Gundy that would have fit our personal and our recruiting areas.
At the time you are saying Gundy was a better hire than BB?  How many championships has he won? So you would be bitching now that we were doing bad with Gundy when we had chance to hire coach with 3 Big 10 titles. Not defensible with logic
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 28, 2017, 03:22:43 pm
Rutgers 0-2
Toledo 0-1
Texas Tech 1-1
TAMU 0-5
Bama 0-forever
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: MJ2 on September 28, 2017, 03:35:46 pm
Long followed a legend and as in most situations like this, he's a flop.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on September 28, 2017, 03:40:57 pm
I agree you are trying to be fair it seems, but you should alter it just a tad to add a small detail because it really is important.

3. Hired John L Smith as interim coach. (In late April)

I posted this in another thread so I don't want to beat it into the ground but also the fact that, in 2008 when he got here our total revenue was almost 66 million. Last year it was 124 million.  That is almost double what it was in 2008. Our revenue afterexpenses in 2016 was 19,347,466.  In 2008 when he got here it was 1,542,417. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 28, 2017, 03:53:10 pm
Jeff Long:
1. First leader of the NCAA playoff committee, a sign of his national prestige.
2. Hired and fired Petrino over ethical issues.
3. Hired John L Smith as interim coach.
4. Hired Bielema.
5. $15 million buyout for Bielema..
6. Hired Mike Anderson.
7. Generally upgraded facilities.

Trying to be fair minded. Not a fan, but there has been some good and some bad.

1. I'll give you this one.
2. He was pressured into hiring Bobby after his first choice was unofficially rejected by the BOT and his second choice backed out. He never wanted Bobby.
3. You're right about Smiley (another horrible move)
4. He did hire Bielema (I gave him high marks for this. My mistake)
5. The buyout was a horribly stupid idea.
6. He was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair.
7. He gets credit for SOME of the upgrades. Dave Van Horn had already raised the money for the new indoor baseball facility but Long wouldn't allow construction on it to begin until the Football Operations Center was finished.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 28, 2017, 03:56:05 pm
1. I'll give you this one.
2. He was pressured into hiring Bobby after his first choice was unofficially rejected by the BOT and his second choice backed out. He never wanted Bobby.
3. You're right about Smiley
4. He did hire Bielema
5. The buyout was a horribly stupid idea.
6. He gets credit for SOME of the upgrades. Dave Van Horn had already raised the money for the new indoor baseball facility but Long wouldn't allow construction on it to begin until the Football Operations Center was finished.

So you agree he hired Petrino? And you don't have to give him number one like you are letting something slide or doing him a favor. Number 1 is true no matter how much it pains you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 28, 2017, 04:06:06 pm
So you agree he hired Petrino? And you don't have to give him number one like you are letting something slide or doing him a favor. Number 1 is true no matter how much it pains you.

He was pressured into hiring Petrino. He didn't want to hire him and never wanted him.

Number 1 doesn't pain me. I believe that's were he belongs and not at Arkansas.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 28, 2017, 04:07:24 pm
He was pressured into hiring Petrino. He didn't want to hire him and never wanted him.

Number 1 doesn't pain me. I believe that's were he belongs and not at Arkansas.

Again, I am just confirming that you agree that he did in fact hire Petrino. I am not asking you if you approved of the process, I am just making sure that you agree that he did hire him. It looks like you do so carry on.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 28, 2017, 04:09:22 pm
Again, I am just confirming that you agree that he did in fact hire Petrino. I am not asking you if you approved of the process, I am just making sure that you agree that he did hire him. It looks like you do so carry on.

He did hire Petrino but only because he was not allowed any other choice.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on September 28, 2017, 04:12:11 pm
He did hire Petrino but only because he was not allowed any other choice.

If I told you that we went to Vanderbilt while ranked number 10 in the country and were getting our asses kicked late in the game, that we barely escaped with a win you would reply that it doesn't matter. The win is all that matters, how we won is irrelevant. So, I say to you, it doesn't matter how he hired him, all that matters is that he did. You can either acknowledge that he hired a great coach, or you can wring your hands and try to apologize to everyone for how he blundered into that win. Makes me no difference, I am just pointing out that Jeff hired an excellent coach in Petrino.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hog911 on September 28, 2017, 06:14:40 pm
I know he hs made some questionable hires, like JLS but he had to make that hire in what, April? He did hire CBP who ws an excellent hire, and CBB who was also an excellent hire at the time. I don't care what the process was or who fell in his lap. All I care about is the result, and the result was he made 2 excellent hires at the time of the hire. I am interested in seeing who his next football hire would be before I would run off a man that is considered to be one of the best AD's in the country by his peers.
   Thank you for this post! I haven't laughed that hard in a long time! Jeff Long is the Washington Generals of ADs! If he was so great all of the top football / basketball programs would be knocking down his door to get him! And stop before you start on how great he is at fund raising, we have enough large companies in Arkansas that large donations to atheletic department is a given!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 28, 2017, 10:36:58 pm
As I stated in my initial summation, if all that Long and his superiors are concerned with is the SEC trough then keep feasting.  However, the suggested revenue increase has not equated with success on the field.  The most visible indicator is filling the stadiums or not.  Wins and losses don't appear to be part of the revenue formula. And Long's recent comments at the Touchdown clubs are vague at best.  I'd like to know what his golden parachute is comprised of?  I'm not questioning his moral authority but his motivation is suspect.  He has earned a no confidence vote from me.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on September 28, 2017, 10:59:02 pm
SEC Network conference split etc. yeah he's a real genius.

Contributions went up from 12 million in 2008 to 25 million in 2016, so he's doubled contributions. Ticket sales were up 10 million in 2016 from 2008 as well. So yeah he's done well in that department aside from the SEC network money which we didn't receive until 2015 when revenue jumped from 96 to 114 million
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jimbob111 on September 28, 2017, 11:09:37 pm
Long's legacy will be poor coaching hires.

1. JLS- Worst coach ever here, should be just made one of the assistants the head guy. Plus, he took him away from the team he was coaching which doesn't fit the integrity bit too well.

2. Jimmy Dykes- An ESPN announcer, just stupid.

3. CBB- Didn't fit here, should have hired a coach like Gundy that would have fit our personal and our recruiting areas.



JLS didn't go 3-9 did he? I thought I remembered JLS going 4-8 then the next year BB going 3-9...so which coach is worse is certainly up for debate.  At least JLS kept expectations low rather than BB pumping them up because he is unable to evaluate talent or the product on the field.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 29, 2017, 08:27:38 am
If I told you that we went to Vanderbilt while ranked number 10 in the country and were getting our asses kicked late in the game, that we barely escaped with a win you would reply that it doesn't matter. The win is all that matters, how we won is irrelevant. So, I say to you, it doesn't matter how he hired him, all that matters is that he did. You can either acknowledge that he hired a great coach, or you can wring your hands and try to apologize to everyone for how he blundered into that win. Makes me no difference, I am just pointing out that Jeff hired an excellent coach in Petrino.

Totally different situations and an embarrassingly silly comparison. You're desperately grasping at straws. Major fail on your part.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 29, 2017, 11:59:49 am
Rutgers 0-2
Toledo 0-1
Texas Tech 1-1
TAMU 0-5
Bama 0-forever


confederacy 0-1.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 29, 2017, 12:02:01 pm
Totally different situations and an embarrassingly silly comparison. You're desperately grasping at straws. Major fail on your part.

I bet old barn folks don't care that they won a couple of years ago on a kick six the last play of the game...........................
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on September 29, 2017, 12:08:45 pm
I posted this in another thread so I don't want to beat it into the ground but also the fact that, in 2008 when he got here our total revenue was almost 66 million. Last year it was 124 million.  That is almost double what it was in 2008. Our revenue afterexpenses in 2016 was 19,347,466.  In 2008 when he got here it was 1,542,417. 

So do you really think JL is responsible for this?  When did the SECN start?  When did the new TV contract start?

JL just happened to be in the seat when that windfall started, he did NOTHING to contribute to that money coming to the hill.

I'd give up some of that revenue for a place in the college football playoff.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jim Harris on September 29, 2017, 12:11:26 pm
Forget new monuments, expansions, or platitudes.  Long's singular legacy will be having fired Arkansas' best coach. 

Naw, Frank still has that legacy of firing Arkansas's best coach sewed up.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: J-Five on September 29, 2017, 02:34:01 pm
Naw, Frank still has that legacy of firing Arkansas's best coach sewed up.


Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on September 29, 2017, 02:51:22 pm
 :puke: :puke: TARnFEATHER time imo
He's the man who self-imposed the death penalty on Arkansas football.  Since he made his decisions in 2012 a program that was 12-4 in the SEC over the previous two seasons, and ranked in the top ten going into the coming season, has gone 12-29 in conference.  12-29.  That's not competitive, it's not even mediocre, it is downright awful and embarrassing. 

There may be a footnote that men's basketball has won a total of two NCAA tournament games in ten years, but his crowning "achievement" will be not only presiding over, but directing the destruction of the football program that has already cost us over half a decade and will probably take the rest of one...at least...to recover from the loss of momentum and prestige we might have had going for us.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 29, 2017, 03:20:38 pm
Naw, Frank still has that legacy of firing Arkansas's best coach sewed up.

The only problem with that is Frank didn't fire Nolan. John White took control of the men's basketball program away from Frank several years before Nolan was fired. It was John White who fired Nolan.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on September 29, 2017, 03:59:08 pm
So do you really think JL is responsible for this?  When did the SECN start?  When did the new TV contract start?

JL just happened to be in the seat when that windfall started, he did NOTHING to contribute to that money coming to the hill.

I'd give up some of that revenue for a place in the college football playoff.

Look we don't have to agree on whether or not you like Jeff Long, or whether he is a good AD or not, but you can't dispute the fact as I posted above that contributions (which the NCAA lists as separate from TV money) went up from 12 million in 2008 to 25 million in 2016, so he's doubled contributions (all while the primary sports, football and basketball have had only intermittent success). Ticket sale revenue (which again have nothing to do with TV money and if anything should be harmed by the SEC network and the fact that we are not having as much on field/court success as we would like) was up 10 million in 2016 from 2008 as well. We didn't start receiving SEC network money until 2015 at which point revenues jumped from 96,000,000 to 114,172,847.  So whether you think he is Yankee scum here to try to ruin U of A Athletic programs, or you like him and think he is a good AD the fact is he has brought a lot more money into the university that we were getting before he got here, and that is one of the primary functions of his job. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 29, 2017, 04:08:43 pm
Look we don't have to agree on whether or not you like Jeff Long, or whether he is a good AD or not, but you can't dispute the fact as I posted above that contributions (which the NCAA lists as separate from TV money) went up from 12 million in 2008 to 25 million in 2016, so he's doubled contributions (all while the primary sports, football and basketball have had only intermittent success). Ticket sale revenue (which again have nothing to do with TV money and if anything should be harmed by the SEC network and the fact that we are not having as much on field/court success as we would like) was up 10 million in 2016 from 2008 as well. We didn't start receiving SEC network money until 2015 at which point revenues jumped from 96,000,000 to 114,172,847.  So whether you think he is Yankee scum here to try to ruin U of A Athletic programs, or you like him and think he is a good AD the fact is he has brought a lot more money into the university that we were getting before he got here, and that is one of the primary functions of his job. 

Actually your stats are misleading. Compare 2016 with 2010 and 2011.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on September 29, 2017, 04:29:23 pm
Actually your stats are misleading. Compare 2016 with 2010 and 2011.

OK. I'm not sure how they are misleading but here goes:

2010:   contributions were 13,124,745 ticket sales were 32, 894,044.
2011:   contributions were 19,962,064 ticket sales were 35,931,551

2016:   contributions were 25,860,510 ticket sales were 37,424,186

Jeff Long was hired as the AD in September of 2007, so I am not sure I see your point, but the point I was trying to make is that outside the deal with the SEC network, which as the AD he had to navigate the legal, contractual and logistical particulars of our agreements with ESPN, he has brought a significant increase of money into the university     
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: LRHawg on September 29, 2017, 04:32:48 pm
how many programs at the university has at least a decent shot at winning a sec title?
track/cross county
baseball
men's/women's golf

any others?

Basketball. If you're getting to the 'Ship, then you have a decent chance.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 30, 2017, 09:08:02 am
The revenue indicators are not really in question.  If that is what Long is judged for...then move him from AD to chief fundraiser.  For most Hog fans it's about fielding a winning team that CAN compete.  And raising ticket prices to adjust for loyalty is absurd.  I know many 50+ year ticket holders who have lost their premium seats because that wouldn't contribute to a specific loyalty level...that's Hog loyalty blackmail.  Do you actually believe that Long didn't know about JLS financial situation?  Most corporations and institutions do background checks.  Clearly the Hog World is divided over Long and Coach B.  As for the basketball program, that should be in another thread with similar questions measuring success.  John McDonnell is/was our only proven WINNER year in and year out.  For many reasons the Hogs must win today!  GO HOGS!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on September 30, 2017, 10:02:39 am
OK. I'm not sure how they are misleading but here goes:

2010:   contributions were 13,124,745 ticket sales were 32, 894,044.
2011:   contributions were 19,962,064 ticket sales were 35,931,551

2016:   contributions were 25,860,510 ticket sales were 37,424,186

Jeff Long was hired as the AD in September of 2007, so I am not sure I see your point, but the point I was trying to make is that outside the deal with the SEC network, which as the AD he had to navigate the legal, contractual and logistical particulars of our agreements with ESPN, he has brought a significant increase of money into the university     

The point is most of the increase in revenue came during 2010 and 2011 and has pretty well leveled off sense then so the success on the field by the football team in those 2 years was responsible for most of the increase, not Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Bardicer on September 30, 2017, 11:07:54 am
Out of curiosity...

How many current or retired ADs are on here?  I hear a lot of "gospel" but I also know that the vast majority of the time, the most vocal are usually in the minority and don't know what they're talking about anyways.

For instance, all the people protesting Trump being racist but have no facts to back it up with outside of "he just is, its obvious".

So... Who actually knows what they're talking about from firsthand experience? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: shown006 on September 30, 2017, 12:38:54 pm
Apparently, Long's legacy will be ruining what once worked well.....the concession stands at the stadium.  Hearing it's a disaster for the 2nd game in a row, after he said it was gonna be fixed.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 30, 2017, 02:03:14 pm
Only BCS bowl appearance
Only top 5 finish in football of the last 3 decades
More NCAA tourney wins than the previous two basketball hires combined
Omaha trips by baseball team
Track national championship
Football stadium expansions
Basketball practice facility


It's not like there haven't been positives
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on October 03, 2017, 12:29:03 am
The point is most of the increase in revenue came during 2010 and 2011 and has pretty well leveled off sense then so the success on the field by the football team in those 2 years was responsible for most of the increase, not Jeff Long.

Contributions went from 13 million and change in 2010 to nearly 26 million in 2016 where did they level off?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on October 03, 2017, 12:31:43 am
Contributions went from 13 million and change in 2010 to nearly 26 million in 2016 where did they level off?

In his mind.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on October 03, 2017, 01:33:54 am
An AD's legacy should really only be defined by the money brought in and the overall success of the athletic department. What made JFB one of the best AD's in college sports history wasn't his stellar coaching hire list but his knack for fundraising and building facilities. Hiring coaches is mostly a crapshoot. Unless the AD pulls off hiring an obvious slam dunk like Nick Saban or hires an obvious train wreck doomed to fail like Lane Kiffin, it's a big ole guess. The list of coaches that were hot commodities when they were hired but ended up being a wash is a mile long, as is the list of coaches that were throwaway hires that ended up being great. All an AD can do is try to get the best coach available that year and sometimes through no fault of his own he gets bamboozled.
On paper, Long's hires when it comes to football have been pretty stellar. Petrino was a great hire at the time. Smith not so much but that was the hand he was dealt. Bielema was a great hire at the time. Doesn't seem like it's working out so far. But think about it: if we got word in December of 2012 that Long passed over Bielema for some other guy with a worse record we'd be calling for his head.

That being said, I think Long has made a mistake by hitching his horse to the Bielema wagon so tightly. The way he talks about him you'd think Bielema was Bear Bryant incarnate. The reality with CFB coaches is that most of them end up getting fired. Even guys like Phil Fulmer, Les Miles, and Mack Brown get fired. As an AD you have to be prepared to fire coaches and knowing that fact, it's probably good practice to play boss man first. I still hope Bielema works out even though at this point I have little confidence, but I hope Long is going to be able to pull the trigger if/when the time comes. Seems to me he's too emotionally attached to Bielema for his own good, but that's just my $.02.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 03, 2017, 06:11:50 am

So what you are saying is the Jeffie wanted pictures, right ? And because Bobby didn't supply him with a portfolio of a long-legged blonde volley ball player, Long had to fire the 2nd best coach in the SEC. And yes that includes Urban Meyer.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 03, 2017, 06:23:13 am
Only BCS bowl appearance
Only top 5 finish in football of the last 3 decades
More NCAA tourney wins than the previous two basketball hires combined
Omaha trips by baseball team
Track national championship
Football stadium expansions
Basketball practice facility


It's not like there haven't been positives
a track natty ? oh my god, how many of those do we have ?  either 42 or whatever number minus the 2 that the NCAA took away from us...DVH was already here under JFB, so baseball has nothing to do with Jeffie, all of the expansions he's seen over is out of the goodness of a few men who are getting late in life and want to be remembered on the UA campus....what Jeffie has done best is turn the UA into a parasitic entity sucking off the teat of the money the SEC disperses equally...thank God for that clause in conference membership...we wouldn't be building a damm thing if not for the SEC money and about 5 or 6 men who love the UA...our facilities would be on par with the Wyomings, the Colorado States, the Memphis' etc if not for the membership in the SEC so I don't care to hear what Jeffie has done improving our facilities...besides, I have yet to hear of a recruit who said, "man, I sure liked OKIE St or AU before I got here, man, I love these facilities"   ...instead of "more cowbell", we need "more ping pong tables"
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on October 03, 2017, 06:43:34 am
long does not care about the people. suites are filled.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 06:54:15 am
Some of you talk like Bielema is for certain going to be fired soon. Why do you believe that?

Looking at the remaining schedule, and considering how Bielema finished the 2015 season, why could he finishing the rest of the way with only two losses? Even if he loses 3 and wins the bowl, are we really going to fire him after an 8 win overall season? Think not.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Hog N Bama on October 03, 2017, 07:39:46 am
Best example of YANKEE GO HOME in modern history
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: riccoar on October 03, 2017, 07:46:46 am
Some of you talk like Bielema is for certain going to be fired soon. Why do you believe that?

Looking at the remaining schedule, and considering how Bielema finished the 2015 season, why could he finishing the rest of the way with only two losses? Even if he loses 3 and wins the bowl, are we really going to fire him after an 8 win overall season? Think not.
I think the only way you see him removed is a 4-8 or 3-9 record.  When you have an AD trying to promote a brand to fill more expansion in 2018, you have to have a program tied in with that.  Plus, after showing the coaching world we gave a guy 5 solid seasons, we wouldn't have coaches feeling gun shy.  People simply have no clue what Bielema's academic success means to Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 03, 2017, 08:08:18 am
In MY thread here, it's clear that we've benefitted from going to the SEC trough.  The facilities are impressive, but don't create success on the field or the court.  In the past glory days where coaching dynasties prevailed, you could count on stability..pro or con.  Today there aren't many dynasties aside from Bama.  We all want that kind of success and recruiting ability.  I suggest we have to take a chance on a new dynastic path.  Long's legacy will include his monuments and his 'tombstone'.  This will be his last tour of duty.  Beyond the SEC 'Eldorado', and the top tier name holders, he owes, the loyal fan base that loves Saturdays, a winning product.  Long has to walk the gangplank and make tough choices along with his cheese and wine selection.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on October 03, 2017, 08:09:27 am
In MY thread here, it's clear that we've benefitted from going to the SEC trough.  The facilities are impressive, but don't create success on the field or the court.  In the past glory days where coaching dynasties prevailed, you could count on stability..pro or con.  Today there aren't many dynasties aside from Bama.  We all want that kind of success and recruiting ability.  I suggest we have to take a chance on a new dynastic path.  Long's legacy will include his monuments and his 'tombstone'.  This will be his last tour of duty.  Beyond the SEC 'Eldorado', and the top tier name holders, he owes, the loyal fan base that loves Saturdays, a winning product.  Long has to walk the gangplank and make tough choices along with his cheese and wine selection.

I agree . He will have to fish or cut bait.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 08:24:06 am
I agree . He will have to fish or cut bait.

The scenario is set up perfectly. The AD has been fired at Louisville and BP's buyout has been cut in half. At the end of the season, if a miracle doesn't happen, it'll be time for Long to swallow his pride and bring Bobby home.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Piggfoot on October 03, 2017, 08:27:25 am
Long's legacy will be poor coaching hires.

1. JLS- Worst coach ever here, should be just made one of the assistants the head guy. Plus, he took him away from the team he was coaching which doesn't fit the integrity bit too well.

2. Jimmy Dykes- An ESPN announcer, just stupid.

3. CBB- Didn't fit here, should have hired a coach like Gundy that would have fit our personal and our recruiting areas.


Long is not alone in the hiring and firing of good and poor coaches at Arkansas.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 03, 2017, 08:30:35 am
I concur.  Afterall, the BP 'oil spill' has been cleaned up and all is well.  To err is human, to forgive....well you get the idea!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 08:38:15 am
I think the only way you see him removed is a 4-8 or 3-9 record.  When you have an AD trying to promote a brand to fill more expansion in 2018, you have to have a program tied in with that.  Plus, after showing the coaching world we gave a guy 5 solid seasons, we wouldn't have coaches feeling gun shy.  People simply have no clue what Bielema's academic success means to Long.

I would like someone to across the entire athletic department, and try to come up with how Jeff Long is failing. Its just not the case.

Long went out and hired a coach with three Big 10 titles and a history of success. One of the best hires by any AD since 2010 when you consider all the factors.

Long's only fault is that Bielema hasn't closed out some games and has underachieved. Has he been terrible? No. But underachieved on the field....which is really outside of Long's control anyways.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 08:49:04 am
I would like someone to across the entire athletic department, and try to come up with how Jeff Long is failing. Its just not the case.

Long went out and hired a coach with three Big 10 titles and a history of success. One of the best hires by any AD since 2010 when you consider all the factors.

Long's only fault is that Bielema hasn't closed out some games and has underachieved. Has he been terrible? No. But underachieved on the field....which is really outside of Long's control anyways.

Bielema's record in the Big 10 is misleading because it doesn't reflect how far down the Big 10 was during his tenure at Wisconsin. I was fooled by CBB's record at Wisconsin just as you have been and I too gave Jeff Long high marks for hiring him. I realize now how wrong I was.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 03, 2017, 09:04:57 am
Long is not alone in the hiring and firing of good and poor coaches.

This is what makes me chuckle in amusement. It's almost as if guys on here think Long himself interviews, hires, and fires coaches as a sole actor. Yeah, sure, the final decision is probably his to make.

But if you don't think there are committees and advisors involved in a coaching search, that's hilarious.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 03, 2017, 09:12:21 am
27-28 record is not underachieving. 

Inability to recruit below the Mason-Dixon line.

Long must walk the gangplank and make some tough choices....and I'm not talking cheese and wine selections.

Coach Bielema's character is not an issue....the first 3 suggestions are issues!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 03, 2017, 09:23:26 am
I concur.  Afterall, the BP 'oil spill' has been cleaned up and all is well.  To err is human, to forgive....well you get the idea!
With the modern day news cycle and sports cycle both changing from day to day, how long do you think that the firing of Bobby Petrino for having a mistress on his paid staff held the attention of the American college football sports fan. Maybe 3 days, but I"ll give you a week. People don't care about such things. We re-elected a President who relieved his sexual tension in the oval office. Point again being, people don't care about what's going on in Arkansas when they live in Georgia or wherever. If we had never fired Petrino, we'd NOT be in the pickle we are now. If memory serves JLS inherited Bobby's players who were ranked #8 beginning the following season after Bobby was sent packing. Now look where the UA football program is, floundering like a fish tossed on the bank. We could hire back Petrino and that would be news for maybe 2 weeks, then, people/the news media/the fans will move on to something else. That's the society in which we live these days.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on October 03, 2017, 09:51:34 am
Bielema's record in the Big 10 is misleading because it doesn't reflect how far down the Big 10 was during his tenure at Wisconsin. I was fooled by CBB's record at Wisconsin just as you have been and I too gave Jeff Long high marks for hiring him. I realize now how wrong I was.
In 2010 he smeared the same Jim Tressel-coached Ohio State team that beat us in the Sugar Bowl. All he can do is beat the teams that were put in front of him. Now, a valid criticism would be that it's obvious in hindsight that Barry Alvarez has a great degree of control over the Wisconsin football program regardless of who the coach is. I'm sure every week Bielema was receiving input from Alvarez and he doesn't have that with Long.

But again, if Long hired someone else and it came out that he passed over Bret Bielema, we all would have been frothing at the mouth. Hindsight is 20/20. Hiring him was a great decision. But here's the thing; good decisions sometimes have bad outcomes. That's a fact of life. I don't fault Jeff Long one bit for hiring Bielema. It was 100% the right decision.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 10:10:19 am
27-28 record is not underachieving. 

Inability to recruit below the Mason-Dixon line.

Long must walk the gangplank and make some tough choices....and I'm not talking cheese and wine selections.

Coach Bielema's character is not an issue....the first 3 suggestions are issues!

I do not hold Bret's first season against him. Those including that in his record are doing it solely to push an agenda against him (remember, I started the fire Bret threads so I don't want him here, but he deserves to be judged fairly).

A more fair way to judge Bielema is on a record of 24-19 (10-15 SEC).

That isn't great either, but more fair. He took over a program where Petrino was recruiting blondes harder than he was recruiting high school players his final 2 seasons. He also had a year with JLS as the coach where no recruiting or player development happened, and discipline and leadership was lacking, if not gone.

When you look at Mike Leach at Washington State  (who I want here) do you say he is a .500 coach at Washington State because he had two 3-9 seasons his first three years, or do you account for the time it took to build?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: oldhog63 on October 03, 2017, 10:11:33 am
. . .But again, if Long hired someone else and it came out that he passed over Bret Bielema, we all would have been frothing at the mouth. Hindsight is 20/20. Hiring him was a great decision. But here's the thing; good decisions sometimes have bad outcomes. That's a fact of life. I don't fault Jeff Long one bit for hiring Bielema. It was 100% the right decision.
Almost all would agree at the time that Bielema was a hired, it was a good hire. And I doubt at that time anyone had heartburn with the large initial buyout. The issue at hand is Long putting the university in a position 5 years later of not being able to correct something that looks to not be working out and dismissing the complaints as saying winning isn't so important. I would love nothing better than CBB to turn this around and be a long term success, raise his kids here, retire here, be the next Broyles, etc. But, if that doesn't happen, then the university should have the option to go another direction without mortgaging its future.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 10:16:49 am
In 2010 he smeared the same Jim Tressel-coached Ohio State team that beat us in the Sugar Bowl. All he can do is beat the teams that were put in front of him. Now, a valid criticism would be that it's obvious in hindsight that Barry Alvarez has a great degree of control over the Wisconsin football program regardless of who the coach is. I'm sure every week Bielema was receiving input from Alvarez and he doesn't have that with Long.

But again, if Long hired someone else and it came out that he passed over Bret Bielema, we all would have been frothing at the mouth. Hindsight is 20/20. Hiring him was a great decision. But here's the thing; good decisions sometimes have bad outcomes. That's a fact of life. I don't fault Jeff Long one bit for hiring Bielema. It was 100% the right decision.

In all of Bret's years at Wisconsin, that win over Tressel's Buckeyes was the only win he had over Ohio State and Bret's Rose Bowl record was poor. At the time I though he was a good hire for Long but I now realize that I was wrong.

At Wisconsin, Bret was pretty well forced to run Alverez's scheme and was limited on how much he could play his assistants, yet he still did well although the Big 10 was down. I really thought that if he went to a good D1 University where he could run his own system and have the money to hire the assistants he wanted, he could be a great coach. I was wrong about that too.

Even though the Hogs have lost to both TCU and A&M, I have not been one of those that are chanting "Fire Bret!". I'm willing to give him the rest of the season to turn things around before I decide whether or not to hop on that bandwagon.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Gonzo on October 03, 2017, 10:20:10 am
Almost all would agree at the time that Bielema was a hired, it was a good hire. And I doubt at that time anyone had heartburn with the large initial buyout. The issue at hand is Long putting the university in a position 5 years later of not being able to correct something that looks to not be working out and dismissing the complaints as saying winning isn't so important. I would love nothing better than CBB to turn this around and be a long term success, raise his kids here, retire here, be the next Broyles, etc. But, if that doesn't happen, then the university should have the option to go another direction without mortgaging its future.

I thought the hire was a positive, a much more established coach than I was anticipating. I thought the buyout was a bad move from the start, far too much of a commitment coming off just a 7-6 season and too one-sided in his favor. Don't recall specifically and don't care to dredge it up, but I seem to remember I was far from alone in that thinking here. Hopefully it still works out, we'll see.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: stronguard on October 03, 2017, 10:22:43 am
Jeff Longs Legacy:

He's the 2nd best AD we've had in the last 40+ years. 

that's about it
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 10:27:55 am

I would like someone to across the entire athletic department, and try to come up with how Jeff Long is failing. Its just not the case.



They can't show it because, much to their chagrin, Long is doing a GREAT job as AD. Too many people that are supposedly fans of the University are really only football fans, and they could not care less about the overall athletic dept. They either can;t understand, or will not accept that his job is NOT to win football games, his job is to run the athletic dept, and he has done that job very well.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 10:33:32 am
They can't show it because, much to their chagrin, Long is doing a GREAT job as AD. Too many people that are supposedly fans of the University are really only football fans, and they could not care less about the overall athletic dept. They either can;t understand, or will not accept that his job is NOT to win football games, his job is to run the athletic dept, and he has done that job very well.

One of the main jobs of the AD is to hire coaches that WIN and Long has failed in that department.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 10:43:26 am
One of the main jobs of the AD is to hire coaches that WIN and Long has failed in that department.

This is a load of bull. Compare Arkansas to LSU (or even Nebraska),  which AD made a good hire and which one made a bad hire?

Jeff Long's job is to go out and hire the best possible coaching candidate we can get. Petrino? Yes. Bielema? Yes. Remember, we don't know who all told Jeff Long "no", so considering Bielemas record and that we are Arkansas, home run hire at the time.

Mike Anderson took some time to get going, but even I (one of his harshest critics) admit he now has everything on the right track and winning is back in BWA.

He made a mistake with Jimmy Dykes (his Pelphrey hire), but corrected it quickly and got a women's coach with a Final 4 and Sweet 16 in his last two seasons.

Look at the health of other sports like gymnastics, soccer, golf, etc....all strong across the board with good academics and no bad scandals.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 10:49:49 am
This is a load of bull. Compare Arkansas to LSU (or even Nebraska),  which AD made a good hire and which one made a bad hire?

Jeff Long's job is to go out and hire the best possible coaching candidate we can get. Petrino? Yes. Bielema? Yes. Remember, we don't know who all told Jeff Long "no", so considering Bielemas record and that we are Arkansas, home run hire at the time.

Mike Anderson took some time to get going, but even I (one of his harshest critics) admit he now has everything on the right track and winning is back in BWA.

He made a mistake with Jimmy Dykes (his Pelphrey hire), but corrected it quickly and got a women's coach with a Final 4 and Sweet 16 in his last two seasons.

Look at the health of other sports like gymnastics, soccer, golf, etc....all strong across the board with good academics and no bad scandals.

That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 10:54:25 am
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.

ADs get fired for making bad hires AT THE TIME (see LSU and Nebraska) and then those hires don't pan out. If the hire is seen as good at the time and the coach doesn't pan out, that isn't on the AD. Can't predict that (even tho many arm-chair ADs will try).

And quit it with the bogus stories about Jeff Long being forced to hire people. That is ridiculous. You have no evidence it is true, just rumors and conjecture. 

You hate him and want to give him no credit for the good he does, and all the blame for things that don't turn out. There is fair criticism for the Jimmy Dykes hire, but that's it. Every other hire has been fantastic at the time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 11:05:37 am
ADs get fired for making bad hires AT THE TIME (see LSU and Nebraska) and then those hires don't pan out. If the hire is seen as good at the time and the coach doesn't pan out, that isn't on the AD. Can't predict that (even tho many arm-chair ADs will try).

And quit it with the bogus stories about Jeff Long being forced to hire people. That is ridiculous. You have no evidence it is true, just rumors and conjecture. 

You hate him and want to give him no credit for the good he does, and all the blame for things that don't turn out. There is fair criticism for the Jimmy Dykes hire, but that's it. Every other hire has been fantastic at the time.

No I don't hate him, I just don't believe he's a good AD and needs to be terminated.

What I said about him being forced is true but you go ahead and keep wearing those blinders.

What he did to Dykes was a dirty deal. Unless there are off of the court issues, a head coach shouldn't be fired after only 3 years on the job.

By the way, I have given Long credit for being good at raising money. However, there's a lot more to being an AD than that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 03, 2017, 11:09:39 am
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.

Links?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on October 03, 2017, 11:11:48 am
long does a good running the department like a business
his coaching hires have been very questionable.


Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: factchecker on October 03, 2017, 11:13:37 am
Links?

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 11:23:00 am
I'm starting to get the idea some people believe the likes of women's gymnastics or the dive team hold the same weight as the football program.

Is that really where we are at?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 11:27:28 am
Links?

Long offered the football HC job to both Tommy Bowden and Grobe while totally ignoring Petrino's pleas to be granted an interview for the job (I still remember many fans were outraged that Bowden and Grobe were offered the job while Long was ignoring Petrino). After Bowden and Grobe didn't work out Long under heavy pressure to do so, granted Bobby an interview and hired him.

When Long terminated John Pelphrey, he announced that there would be a thorough nationwide coaching search. That never happened. Several prominent HC's tried to throw their names into the hat but were never considered. The only coach to be interviewed and offered the job was Mike Anderson which occurred after Long had stated TWICE that Mike Anderson was not on his list of prospects.

I remember both hirings well because I followed the events closely.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on October 03, 2017, 11:42:10 am
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.
The AD's job is to hire the coach with the best resume he can during the year when we have a coaching vacancy. I don't understand why you're mad at Long if you yourself said you were wrong. You can't say it was a good hire in 2013 but now that it's 2017 it was a bad hire. It was either a good hire or a bad hire, it can't be both, and the hire is judged at the time. Bielema was objectively a good hire. No other coach in 2013 had the resume as a head coach that he did, regardless of whether or not you think it was a good resume or not.

Again, unless you get a Nick Saban-type legend or you hire a Lane Kiffin-type disaster, hiring coaches is a crapshoot. There's no rhyme or reason as to why certain coaches succeed at a certain place and some don't. You just hire the best coach you can and hope for the best, especially at a joint like Arkansas where there are a number of inherent disadvantages. Long made the best hiring decision in 2013 that he possibly could have made. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, and the responsibility for it not working out is on Bielema, not Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 11:58:31 am
I'm starting to get the idea some people believe the likes of women's gymnastics or the dive team hold the same weight as the football program.

Is that really where we are at?

That is not what anyone has said. What is being said is the ATHLETIC DEPT consists of close to 2 dozen teams in various sports. The job of the AD is to make sure the ENTIRE DEPT is running well, is well funded and is not afoul of the NCAA. Long has done a great job at that. He hired a football coach in late 2012 that had a excellent resume and everyone in the college football world was shocked that he left Wisconsin for anywhere, much less Arkansas, fresh off a 4-8 season. Just because a hire does not work out does mean it was a bad hire when it was made.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on October 03, 2017, 12:03:36 pm
The point is most of the increase in revenue came during 2010 and 2011 and has pretty well leveled off sense then so the success on the field by the football team in those 2 years was responsible for most of the increase, not Jeff Long.

I'd also like to point out that in this thread there are multiple posts indicating Jeff long is responsible for bringing wins to the program, specifically the football program, so if as you assert that the contributions were bolstered by the success of the football program, then as the AD Jeff long is responsible for that correct? or if not , then he is not responsible for the lack of wins now. Or is he responsible when we lose, but when we win it is due to circumstances beyond his control?  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.  If you don't like the Brett Bielema hire, OK that's your opinion and I would say that currently you could back that up with his abysmal record. Since he's still the coach then we don't know how its going to turn out eventually, right now it doesn't look so good.  My only point was that if you look objectively at the job that Long has done, and if you agree that bringing funds into the athletic department is one of his primary duties then he has done a good job.       
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 03, 2017, 12:05:21 pm
Bobby Petrino raised the profile of our football program, not long. Petrino showed you could enough talent to win here. Beliema has destroyed that now.

I agree that along does a good job and that CBB was not a bad hire. Keeping him beyond this season is going to be bad for this program though.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 12:06:42 pm
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.

IF Long didn't want to hire any coach bad enough then he didn't have to.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: southeasthog on October 03, 2017, 12:08:19 pm


I remember both hirings well because I followed the events closely.
This is your link????  Bwahahahahahah!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 12:10:49 pm
The scenario is set up perfectly. The AD has been fired at Louisville and BP's buyout has been cut in half. At the end of the season, if a miracle doesn't happen, it'll be time for Long to swallow his pride and bring Bobby home.

Still living in Guv world I see...............................
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 03, 2017, 12:11:19 pm
Long offered the football HC job to both Tommy Bowden and Grobe while totally ignoring Petrino's pleas to be granted an interview for the job (I still remember many fans were outraged that Bowden and Grobe were offered the job while Long was ignoring Petrino). After Bowden and Grobe didn't work out Long under heavy pressure to do so, granted Bobby an interview and hired him.

When Long terminated John Pelphrey, he announced that there would be a thorough nationwide coaching search. That never happened. Several prominent HC's tried to throw their names into the hat but were never considered. The only coach to be interviewed and offered the job was Mike Anderson which occurred after Long had stated TWICE that Mike Anderson was not on his list of prospects.

I remember both hirings well because I followed the events closely.

Links?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: trippigs on October 03, 2017, 12:14:23 pm
The Athletic Department as a whole is in good shape.....Long has done a nice job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 03, 2017, 12:14:31 pm
This is a load of bull. Compare Arkansas to LSU (or even Nebraska),  which AD made a good hire and which one made a bad hire?

Jeff Long's job is to go out and hire the best possible coaching candidate we can get. Petrino? Yes. Bielema? Yes. Remember, we don't know who all told Jeff Long "no", so considering Bielemas record and that we are Arkansas, home run hire at the time.

Mike Anderson took some time to get going, but even I (one of his harshest critics) admit he now has everything on the right track and winning is back in BWA.

He made a mistake with Jimmy Dykes (his Pelphrey hire), but corrected it quickly and got a women's coach with a Final 4 and Sweet 16 in his last two seasons.

Look at the health of other sports like gymnastics, soccer, golf, etc....all strong across the board with good academics and no bad scandals.
Come on, selling the UA basketball program to Mike Anderson would be like giving a hungry dog a bone-in ribeye
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 03, 2017, 12:17:39 pm
The Athletic Department as a whole is in good shape.....Long has done a nice job.
fiscally yes, we are in good shape, but when your teams play in the SEC, the checks are rather large when they divvy up the cash at the Spring Meeting of the AD's...basically we are a suckling little porker attached to one of Momma SEC's best teats....all we do is take, we don't contribute, especially this year because the football team sux...the only money maker this year will be the basketball team, they are going to be salty dogs, errgh, salty hogs
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 12:29:31 pm
That is not what anyone has said. What is being said is the ATHLETIC DEPT consists of close to 2 dozen teams in various sports. The job of the AD is to make sure the ENTIRE DEPT is running well, is well funded and is not afoul of the NCAA. Long has done a great job at that. He hired a football coach in late 2012 that had a excellent resume and everyone in the college football world was shocked that he left Wisconsin for anywhere, much less Arkansas, fresh off a 4-8 season. Just because a hire does not work out does mean it was a bad hire when it was made.
I was never extremely impressed with the hire but I'm probably in the minority there. That was a time when I considered the Big 10 a weak conference.

Regardless of all that...to your first few sentences regarding the topic at hand, "running well" "well funded" "not afoul with the NCAA"...

What % of ADs in the college world...Power 5 conferences, don't do these exact very things? Other than firing Bobby Petrino and making himself famous for such, what sets Jeff Long as so much better than all these other ADs?

He is considered by Hog fan homers and of course those all across the football world who are now happy to see the Hog football program "back where it's supposed to be"' as one of the top ADs in the country. I wonder if he has that AD of the year plaque on the wall in his office?...lol I'm sure it's all very bureaucratic and sophisticated. So what makes him so much better than all these other ADs who run their programs "well funded" or "not afoul with the NCAA?"

I'm going to be open minded for a minute on this for you to convince me what makes this man so awesome in comparison to others all across the country.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 12:44:55 pm
Bobby Petrino raised the profile of our football program, not long. Petrino showed you could enough talent to win here.


Win what? Some games? Cause I don't see a div or conf title banner hanging anywhere for UofA in football from 2008-2011.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Swine-as-wine on October 03, 2017, 12:49:42 pm
Forget new monuments, expansions, or platitudes.  Long's singular legacy will be having fired Arkansas' best coach.  After castigating him and exiling him to the wilderness, he was reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality gladiators who want to compete.  As for mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones? AD Long is not one of us!  If it's about going to the trough for our SEC share, then gorge on and proceed to the vomitorium.  However, mediocrity would be better served reviving the SWC and being the lone outsider for recruits.  Bielema's 'have a nice day' attitude is contagious...just look at our players..and the fans streaming out in the 3rd quarter.  There's more excitement in the tailgating area!  Thank you Jeff!

You forgot to mention that he was also the one that hired that Arkansas coach, and had heaped praise on him until he, and the entire state was lied to. You can't
throw stones at someone for firing someone, and not throw flowers at them for hiring them.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 12:53:01 pm
You forgot to mention that he was also the one that hired that Arkansas coach, and had heaped praise on him until he, and the entire state was lied to. You can't
throw stones at someone for firing someone, and not throw flowers at them for hiring them.

Dont you know, Long was forced to hire BP, yet the same people that forced Long to hire him could not force him to not fire him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Been10Hog on October 03, 2017, 12:55:01 pm
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.

He made the hires! He gets the credit and he gets the blame! Can't have it both ways! At the time of the hires, the 2 best hires in Razorback football history based on who we got and what their records were at the time!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Swine-as-wine on October 03, 2017, 12:55:44 pm
Dont you know, Long was forced to hire BP, yet the same people that forced Long to hire him could not force him to not fire him.

News to me. Who exactly "forced" him to hire Bobby Petrino, when he was coach at the Atlanta Falcons? From my understanding,
Petrino was the one that contacted Long to begin with.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogfan14 on October 03, 2017, 12:58:24 pm
fiscally yes, we are in good shape, but when your teams play in the SEC, the checks are rather large when they divvy up the cash at the Spring Meeting of the AD's...basically we are a suckling little porker attached to one of Momma SEC's best teats....all we do is take, we don't contribute, especially this year because the football team sux...the only money maker this year will be the basketball team, they are going to be salty dogs, errgh, salty hogs

We're one of the most well rounded athletic departments in the SEC. How many other SEC teams made the postseason in all 3 main sports last year?

I guess some would rather be like Auburn or Georgia and be good at football but suck at everything else. I would like to be better at football but we're doing well overall.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 01:04:43 pm
Bielema's record in the Big 10 is misleading because it doesn't reflect how far down the Big 10 was during his tenure at Wisconsin. I was fooled by CBB's record at Wisconsin just as you have been and I too gave Jeff Long high marks for hiring him. I realize now how wrong I was.

This should be your sig
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 01:06:05 pm
Dont you know, Long was forced to hire BP, yet the same people that forced Long to hire him could not force him to not fire him.

Outstanding. Another fine post of the day candidate.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 01:07:43 pm
News to me. Who exactly "forced" him to hire Bobby Petrino, when he was coach at the Atlanta Falcons? From my understanding,
Petrino was the one that contacted Long to begin with.

obviously your sarcasm detector is off. The narrative from Gov and the other Long haters is that BP was forced on Long, yet they cant explain how the same guys who forced the hire could not force him to keep him.

My theory has always been that Long, about to hire all he could find in Grobe because no one else wanted the job, was contacted by BP's people that he was interested as he was looking for any ship out of ATL. Long had to persuade the BOT to hire a risky guy like BP. Many on the BOT never liked BP, but were ok with him because it covered up the fact that no one of import really wanted the job. However,  the BOT was not going to put up with any of his shenanigans, and at the 1st chance they had they got ride of him. Long, having gone out on a limb in recommending they hire BP was in no mood to fight for him after BP sawed the limb off behind them both.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 01:09:27 pm
That is not a load of bull, it is absolutely correct. One of the AD's main jobs is to hire coaches that win.

Long didn't want Petrino and had to be pressured into hiring him.

Long was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair so he gets not credit for that hiring.

His hiring of Bielema doesn't look so good either.

I give him credit for hiring Petrino and Anderson. Just because you want to have hate sex with Long in every thread doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 01:10:48 pm
Links?

fantasy://myfacts.com
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 01:11:56 pm
I'm starting to get the idea some people believe the likes of women's gymnastics or the dive team hold the same weight as the football program.

Is that really where we are at?

We don't care about them, but we did hire someone to care about them so that we don't have to. Guess what, he is doing a nice job of handling it so we don't have to care about it. Is that what you were trying to say?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 01:13:08 pm
Long offered the football HC job to both Tommy Bowden and Grobe while totally ignoring Petrino's pleas to be granted an interview for the job (I still remember many fans were outraged that Bowden and Grobe were offered the job while Long was ignoring Petrino). After Bowden and Grobe didn't work out Long under heavy pressure to do so, granted Bobby an interview and hired him.

When Long terminated John Pelphrey, he announced that there would be a thorough nationwide coaching search. That never happened. Several prominent HC's tried to throw their names into the hat but were never considered. The only coach to be interviewed and offered the job was Mike Anderson which occurred after Long had stated TWICE that Mike Anderson was not on his list of prospects.

I remember both hirings well because I followed the events closely.

Wow we finally agree on something. Long hired Petrino and Anderson. Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jcbville on October 03, 2017, 01:16:53 pm
I give him credit for hiring Petrino and Anderson. Just because you want to have hate sex with Long in every thread doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

Lol. Ewwww. Accurate. But Ewwww
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 03, 2017, 01:18:28 pm
obviously your sarcasm detector is off. The narrative from Gov and the other Long haters is that BP was forced on Long, yet they cant explain how the same guys who forced the hire could not force him to keep him.

My theory has always been that Long, about to hire all he could find in Grobe because no one else wanted the job, was contacted by BP's people that he was interested as he was looking for any ship out of ATL. Long had to persuade the BOT to hire a risky guy like BP. Many on the BOT never liked BP, but were ok with him because it covered up the fact that no one of import really wanted the job. However,  the BOT was not going to put up with any of his shenanigans, and at the 1st chance they had they got ride of him. Long, having gone out on a limb in recommending they hire BP was in no mood to fight for him after BP sawed the limb off behind them both.

As usual, Your theory is wrong. Petrino had been trying hard to get an interview for the job the whole time long was talking to first Bowden then Grobe. Long totally ignored Petrino until he was pressured into interviewing Petrino after Bowden was unofficially rejected by the BOT and Grobe backed out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: factchecker on October 03, 2017, 01:34:26 pm
As usual, Your theory is wrong. Petrino had been trying hard to get an interview for the job the whole time long was talking to first Bowden then Grobe. Long totally ignored Petrino until he was pressured into interviewing Petrino after Bowden was unofficially rejected by the BOT and Grobe backed out.

Link?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 02:03:59 pm
As usual, Your theory is wrong. Petrino had been trying hard to get an interview for the job the whole time long was talking to first Bowden then Grobe. Long totally ignored Petrino until he was pressured into interviewing Petrino after Bowden was unofficially rejected by the BOT and Grobe backed out.
This was a message board company line but no way of proving it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 02:56:31 pm
As usual, Your theory is wrong. Petrino had been trying hard to get an interview for the job the whole time long was talking to first Bowden then Grobe. Long totally ignored Petrino until he was pressured into interviewing Petrino after Bowden was unofficially rejected by the BOT and Grobe backed out.

HMMM, Guv says something is wrong.... that usually means it is 100% correct.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 03, 2017, 02:59:37 pm
As usual, Your theory is wrong. Petrino had been trying hard to get an interview for the job the whole time long was talking to first Bowden then Grobe. Long totally ignored Petrino until he was pressured into interviewing Petrino after Bowden was unofficially rejected by the BOT and Grobe backed out.

Where in the hell do you get this stuff from? I'm sure if you bent over we would find out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: EastexHawg on October 03, 2017, 03:00:37 pm
As is the case with Bielema, once Long is gone the stories will all come gushing forth about how the people "in the know" knew all along what a disaster he was. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 03:12:25 pm
As is the case with Bielema, once Long is gone the stories will all come gushing forth about how the people "in the know" knew all along what a disaster he was. 

except in his JOB, you know running the athletic department ( apparently it sickens you that there are more sports than your precious life giving football ) he has not been an disaster at all. He has been quite the opposite actually.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: EastexHawg on October 03, 2017, 03:18:27 pm
except in his JOB, you know running the athletic department ( apparently it sickens you that there are more sports than your precious life giving football ) he has not been an disaster at all. He has been quite the opposite actually.

You know as well as I do that a pet hamster or a four year old kid couldn't spend all the SEC money that pours into Arkansas athletics.  Every SEC program makes a profit.  Every one of them.  Do you think it is because the conference has the 14 best ADs in America?

As someone aptly said a few days ago, the SEC sends us and everyone else in the conference gold bricks.  All Long does is stack them up.  Every other AD in America could do the same.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: phadedhawg on October 03, 2017, 03:26:40 pm
You know as well as I do that a pet hamster or a four year old kid couldn't spend all the SEC money that pours into Arkansas athletics.  Every SEC program makes a profit.  Every one of them.  Do you think it is because the conference has the 14 best ADs in America?

As someone aptly said a few days ago, the SEC sends us and everyone else in the conference gold bricks.  All Long does is stack them up.  Every other AD in America could do the same.

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Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: phadedhawg on October 03, 2017, 03:27:59 pm
During the bye week we learned that Jeff Long will be fired due to a "forensic audit" and the AD was broke, now he's got golden bricks stacked everywhere. 

Must've been a great week for BAC Inc.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 03:32:55 pm
Where in the hell do you get this stuff from? I'm sure if you bent over we would find out.

I'm not volunteering to look there!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on October 03, 2017, 03:35:23 pm
As is the case with Bielema, once Long is gone the stories will all come gushing forth about how the people "in the know" knew all along what a disaster he was. 
Exactly. The same people parading them as heros today will change to a tune of "guys, the writing was on the wall there...anyone could see that coming and what a mess it was."
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hobhog on October 03, 2017, 03:36:22 pm
except in his JOB, you know running the athletic department ( apparently it sickens you that there are more sports than your precious life giving football ) he has not been an disaster at all. He has been quite the opposite actually.

ADs across country have kept their jobs after much less production and more scandal than Arkansas athletics has come close to experiencing. People who think Long is even close to being fired are just crying in the wind to make them selves feel better. Or dont understand the job responsibilities. He leaves on own accord when ready.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 03, 2017, 04:31:03 pm
Exactly. The same people parading them as heros today will change to a tune of "guys, the writing was on the wall there...anyone could see that coming and what a mess it was."

Except the athletic department is not a mess. Some of you can not separate football wins and losses from the success of the entire athletic department.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: HouSwine on October 03, 2017, 08:23:23 pm
Saturday can't get here quick enough!
Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: JOKERHOG on October 03, 2017, 08:52:32 pm
ADs across country have kept their jobs after much less production and more scandal than Arkansas athletics has come close to experiencing. People who think Long is even close to being fired are just crying in the wind to make them selves feel better. Or dont understand the job responsibilities. He leaves on own accord when ready.

I very much doubt that
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on October 03, 2017, 08:58:40 pm

You fricken JL lovers are a bunch of jackarses
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 03, 2017, 09:31:19 pm
You fricken JL lovers are a bunch of jackarses

love =/= approve
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 03, 2017, 09:36:17 pm
Except the athletic department is not a mess. Some of you can not separate football wins and losses from the success of the entire athletic department.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 08:25:48 am
The Hog world is filled with passion!  That's great!  Title IX was a leap forward for women.  As a result, the SEC golden trough, has helped many of the 'less fortunate' sports excel.   Arkansas athletics demonstrate exactly that!  However, as with most collegiate departments, football and basketball received less of the share.  How many more monuments can AD Long construct?  If you can't fill the stadium each weekend now, like other SEC programs, who is he catering to?  We all want a winning product each Saturday to WIN!  The win-loss percentage doesn't equate.  When Coach B is terminated, I too want that to be at the end of the season.  Time is a depreciating commodity.  Change is the only constant in our universe.  This year there will be a bevy of head coaching candidates to select from.  Long's already tarnished reputation will have far less gleam if he doesn't pull the trigger.  Hopefully he will retire to 'the valley of the kings' this year also!  Oh Santa, you would be so generous to put the BEST gift in the HOG stocking this year!  We've been good!  I like you Coach B, but, your extended 15.7mil beach vacation awaits you!   
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 04, 2017, 08:51:32 am
Except the athletic department is not a mess. Some of you can not separate football wins and losses from the success of the entire athletic department.

Some of us don't wear blinders when it comes to Jeff Long like y'all do though.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jkstock04 on October 04, 2017, 09:00:23 am
Except the athletic department is not a mess. Some of you can not separate football wins and losses from the success of the entire athletic department.
I never said the athletic department was a mess. But these same types who bought 10 of the B.MFP t-shirts and now claim he was an awful coach...the homer types, media as well...watch the 180 they do the moment Jeff Long is gone.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 09:08:55 am
Some of us don't wear blinders when it comes to Jeff Long like y'all do though.

Yeah you do. They're just a different brand of blinders.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 09:10:16 am
Great strides have been made.  But, when Long came in he systematically removed most if not all of the Broyles era loyalists?  Was that necessary? This is not the' Gong Show' but it will be the 'Gone Show'...hopefully sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 04, 2017, 09:14:29 am
Yeah you do. They're just a different brand of blinders.

No we don't. We clearly see Long for what he really is.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 09:17:16 am
No we don't. We clearly see Long for what he really is.

Never knew this board was full of clairvoyants.

What is Long really, then?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 09:19:36 am
What he is...not one of us!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 09:36:10 am
When Frank stepped upstairs to the AD role only, he still managed to tour the far reaches of the Great State of Arkansas to hear directly from the fan base and those bastions of Hogdom in Dallas and other locales.  It's probably too late as his favorability numbers are falling, but, if Long really cared he would have followed Frank's footsteps, or better yet, forged his own.  And a random trip to the LR Touchdown club doesn't compare.  And yes, comparisons always matter.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 10:02:58 am
For all of you hating Jeff Long, can you go through the entire athletic department and show us where he is doing a poor job?

You can say Bret Bielema isn't getting the job done, and I would agree with that, but how is any of that Jeff Long's fault? He hired a coach way above what a school like Arkansas should be able to hire, but it isn't going great. Our program is not a mess by any means, we just aren't winning as many football games as people would like.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 10:07:49 am
When Frank stepped upstairs to the AD role only, he still managed to tour the far reaches of the Great State of Arkansas to hear directly from the fan base and those bastions of Hogdom in Dallas and other locales.  It's probably too late as his favorability numbers are falling, but, if Long really cared he would have followed Frank's footsteps, or better yet, forged his own.  And a random trip to the LR Touchdown club doesn't compare.  And yes, comparisons always matter.

You mean like...a multiyear contract to play an SEC game in...Dallas?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 11:38:24 am
No we don't. We clearly see Long for what he really is.

guess you are not going to enlighten us with what he really us, just another hit and run accusation by guv.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 04, 2017, 12:52:35 pm
guess you are not going to enlighten us with what he really us, just another hit and run accusation by guv.

Typical of him. I still haven't got an answer for why he is a bad AD.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: GuvHog on October 04, 2017, 12:56:33 pm
guess you are not going to enlighten us with what he really us, just another hit and run accusation by guv.

What's the use. You guys don't want to listen. If I provided solid proof, y'all would just ignore it and say it isn't true.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 12:57:33 pm
Typical of him. I still haven't got an answer for why he is a bad AD.

What I find possibly the most hypocritical thing on Hogville is that the very people who whined incessantly about wanting the good ole boy network to end now vilify the very person who's hiring marked to end of the gobn, and they do so because he is not a good ole boy.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 12:59:40 pm
Those games in Dallas...serve many masters...and provide valuable recruit exposure to our program.  Unfortunately we haven't won there since the Petrino era?  Why is that?  Even back in the grand ole SWC days, we could beat the Ponies and their paid players and the refs.  Lest we forget our Cotton Bowl victories too and Big Tex!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on October 04, 2017, 01:00:08 pm
Judging by a lot of the posts here I have a thorough misunderstanding of what an Athletic directors job is. Here is an article regarding the role of the modern Athletic Director:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2015/02/19/the-dynamic-role-of-the-modern-day-college-athletics-director/#42de7c260764
 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2015/02/19/the-dynamic-role-of-the-modern-day-college-athletics-director/#42de7c260764)

Qualifications necessary for athletic administrators on the Power 5 level include:

Evaluation and negotiation of multi-million (if not billion) dollar media rights deals, as well as navigation of conference network distribution and third tier rights. This includes comprehensive knowledge of revenue distributions, as well as a full understanding of what role an individual athletic department plays in the creation of content for the conference and the commitments required to meet quotas for media rights partners.

Ability to manage powerful head coaches who are often the highest paid employee(s) in the state. It is the responsibility of the athletics director to create an environment where flagship football and basketball programs can thrive while under the always scrutinizing eye of university administration, alumni and the general public at large. This pressure has led to expectations of total program turnarounds in just 2 or 3 year, with failure now leading to both the head coach being fired and the athletics director being put on notice.

Advanced knowledge of strategic, operational & financial business planning, including most significantly capital and investment budgeting. With the continuous escalation of the facilities arm race, Big 5 athletic directors are often responsible for the planning, fundraising and oversight of substantial capital projects that often reach similar investment levels to those seen in professional sports. Balancing an athletics budget is one thing, insuring that one can do so while simultaneously investing hundreds of millions more into facilities requires a far more advanced ability to manage cash flow.


I would argue that Long has excelled in these areas.  I think that he has created an environment where the main sports can thrive as is his responsibility, football has not and that is Bielema's responsibility and if he doesn't turn it around then it will be up to Long to make a change.  in most cases I think Long has made decisions that benefit the University and were good decisions based on the information available at the time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 04, 2017, 01:00:29 pm
What's the use. You guys don't want to listen. If I provided solid proof, y'all would just ignore it and say it isn't true.

My guess is we will never have that chance because such proof only exists in your mind. You and Delta and Ironhog are stuck in some fantasy land where the old south is still populated by plantations, with southern bells in giant hoop dresses, gentlemen in white suits sipping whisky on the veranda, and spanish moss hangs from the cypress trees.

Sadly, many Arkansans are stuck in that world, and it is why we are one of the poorest states in the country.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 04, 2017, 01:01:44 pm
What's the use. You guys don't want to listen. If I provided solid proof, y'all would just ignore it and say it isn't true.

lol you have never provided weak proof, let along solid proof of anything you claim. You are an emotional knee jerker that has hate sex with Jeff Long in every single thread on Hogville. You cling to the most absurd claims and push them around as fact regardless of how often you are proven wrong. You are on a crusade of ignorance. I admire you in a way. The ability to abandon all concern of how ridiculous you may look is a hell of an attribute.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: razorbackfaninar on October 04, 2017, 01:07:46 pm
What's the use. You guys don't want to listen. If I provided solid proof, y'all would just ignore it and say it isn't true.

I think Long is doing a good job, and at the same time, I care about the university and the athletics program, and I want to be informed. You may have stated your reasons in a lot of different places and I may have missed them, but I'd be interested in hearing them. I never assume that my opinion is the only right opinion.  You obviously have a different one than me, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in hearing it.  I may continue to disagree with you, but I like to see things from someone else's perspective.  I'm always curious as to what people base their personal opinions on.  If you have the time and want to go into it I'd like to hear what makes you think that he is doing such a bad job if it's outside of the standard "I don't like the Bielema hire; We aren't good at football; He fired Petrino" etc.     
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 04, 2017, 01:16:41 pm
Under his watchful eye....our football program is mired with a 27-28 record.  If Long was really forward thinking he'd be worried about the long term effect of concussion protocol with our Hog gladiators and their incarceration rates after the Hog limelight fades.  Surely he has the pull to get them entry level management jobs with Walmart or Tyson or the other Skybox holders with influence.....Aside...there should be a Hogville convention to meet and greet all of the gladiators here! 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on October 05, 2017, 05:25:18 am
For all of you hating Jeff Long, can you go through the entire athletic department and show us where he is doing a poor job?

You can say Bret Bielema isn't getting the job done, and I would agree with that, but how is any of that Jeff Long's fault? He hired a coach way above what a school like Arkansas should be able to hire, but it isn't going great. Our program is not a mess by any means, we just aren't winning as many football games as people would like.
For the sake of saving time, it would be better if you went through the programs and let us know where we are tearing that ass up in the SEC !
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Deep Shoat on October 05, 2017, 08:06:22 am
For the sake of saving time, it would be better if you went through the programs and let us know where we are tearing that ass up in the SEC !
The standard, from a pure sports context, should be, "Which sports are better than the day along took the job?  Which are worse?  Were there extenuating circumstances involved in any that were worse?"

Then remember that hiring coaches is a small part of Jeff Long's job.  And know that he is considered to be doing an outstanding job in the majority of his work.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 05, 2017, 08:24:24 am
For the sake of saving time, it would be better if you went through the programs and let us know where we are tearing that ass up in the SEC !

No, it would be much easier for someone to show where he is doing a poor job, but apparently that is too hard when you are just making stuff up.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 08:27:32 am
For the sake of saving time, it would be better if you went through the programs and let us know where we are tearing that ass up in the SEC !

Not our problem you don't keep up with any other Arkansas athletics.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: DeltaBoy on October 05, 2017, 08:31:09 am
                                         
Here you go in a nutshell .

Longs career at UA.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on October 05, 2017, 08:37:36 am
women's golf currently #1 in the nation
men's golf currently top 20 in the nation
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 08:45:17 am
women's golf currently #1 in the nation
men's golf currently top 20 in the nation

Golf is very healthy.
Men's basketball went to SEC Championship game.
Women's soccer last year went deep into NCAA tournament.
Track and cross country are still the track and cross country we know and love from Arkansas.
Men's baseball went to SEC Championship game.

Choosing to remain ignorant and bitch is easy, though.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on October 05, 2017, 08:52:30 am
Golf is very healthy.
Men's basketball went to SEC Championship game.
Women's soccer last year went deep into NCAA tournament.
Track and cross country are still the track and cross country we know and love from Arkansas.
Men's baseball went to SEC Championship game.

Choosing to remain ignorant and bitch is easy, though.

how many of these programs did he hire the coach?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 09:03:37 am
how many of these programs did he hire the coach?

A very quick and hasty glance looks like he hired men's basketball, women's soccer, and on the cusp of hiring men's track/cross country, not sure who finalized that one. Someone can fact-check me on those though.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: LZH on October 05, 2017, 09:16:37 am
I never said the athletic department was a mess. But these same types who bought 10 of the B.MFP t-shirts and now claim he was an awful coach...the homer types, media as well...watch the 180 they do the moment Jeff Long is gone.

100% correct.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 05, 2017, 09:32:35 am
how many of these programs did he hire the coach?

This is ridiculous. If he were a pilot that got you safely from point A to point B, would you refuse to give him credit because he didnt build the plane? Why would he replace coaches that don't need to be replaced?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 09:34:53 am
This is ridiculous. If he were a pilot that got you safely from point A to point B, would you refuse to give him credit because he didnt build the plane? Why would he replace coaches that don't need to be replaced?

Exactly the train of thought I was on. But I was gonna give Kevin the benefit of the doubt, hoping he was legitimately wondering how many of those coaches Long hired, hah.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 05, 2017, 09:39:02 am
Exactly the train of thought I was on. But I was gonna give Kevin the benefit of the doubt, hoping he was legitimately wondering how many of those coaches Long hired, hah.

Some of these posters sound like they are just using their parents Hogville account to make noise at the adults table during thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on October 05, 2017, 09:53:19 am

Some of you must get paid by the word to love you some JL.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 10:04:21 am
Some of you must get paid by the word to love you some JL.

Nah, some of us just have the mental capacity to analyze someone's performance beyond fuhball.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on October 05, 2017, 11:10:21 am
Never knew this board was full of clairvoyants.

What is Long really, then?
He spends his evenings in a cemetery performing forbidden Yankee rituals while wearing his ancestor's Union blue Civil War uniform. Word on the street is the ritual involves mixing snow with unsweet tea and unseasoned grits and pouring the mixture over the graves of dead Confederate soldiers.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 11:13:01 am
He spends his evenings in a cemetery performing forbidden Yankee rituals while wearing his ancestor's Union blue Civil War uniform. Word on the street is the ritual involves mixing snow with unsweet tea and unseasoned grits and pouring the mixture over the graves of dead Confederate soldiers.

+1. That's poetic.

Gotta add one element: Don't forget, he sips Pepsi out of a champagne glass while doing all of that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: The_Iceman on October 05, 2017, 11:23:04 am
Some of you must get paid by the word to love you some JL.

This may be a challenge for you, but can you right an intelligent, fact-based post, on why you hate Jeff Long?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on October 05, 2017, 11:37:05 am
This may be a challenge for you, but can you right an intelligent, fact-based post, on why you hate Jeff Long?

Check my post history.  I got tired of no rebuttals.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Kevin on October 05, 2017, 12:22:53 pm
since you guys want to start with the insults, I already knew the answer to the question. my years on hogville have proven most on here don't know we have other programs. I just wanted to see if you guys would do some research.

it speaks to the fact that the programs he has not had to make the most important decision , who runs it, are doing just fine. I question is hiring ability way beyond football.

his first hire in softball, was atrocious. he may have fixed it with his 2nd. we will see if they keep improving. the made the ncaa's last year.
the jimmy dykes hire, REALLY.  again, he may have fixed it on his 2nd attempt. he went out and got a proven winner, who happens to be from Arkansas, not that, it matters to me
volleyball, to be determined, their coach took over a real dumpster fire. lots of freshman playing this year, with possibly the best player in hog history pilar.
Track, it ended up being the right guy. he got bashed for the hire, the coach has us back to where they belong.
men's basketball-was an easy on for him, mike wanted it, and the fans wanted him. 2 tournaments in 6 years, is not great. hopefully, he will go back to back after this season.
football-has been well documented on here. it has not been his finest performance.

everyone wants to talk about the money he raises. A big time booster once told my dad, anyone can raise money for the university of Arkansas as athletic director.  plus, with the $40 million they get each year from the sec.

his greatest accomplishments in my book is the facility improvement.

I think he snubs his nose at the common fan. he is a camera hog. he loves self promoting. and his statement of not winning at all cost, was the last straw with me. I don't want to cheat (at the level others cheat), and I don't want a bunch of criminals wearing our uniform, but if they are going to spent the money, and constantly ask for more money, then our leader should be saying, we want all of our programs to be in the position to win titles, but we are going to do it in a professional, and abide by the rules way.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: jcbville on October 05, 2017, 01:28:48 pm
He spends his evenings in a cemetery performing forbidden Yankee rituals while wearing his ancestor's Union blue Civil War uniform. Word on the street is the ritual involves mixing snow with unsweet tea and unseasoned grits and pouring the mixture over the graves of dead Confederate soldiers.

+1

Haha
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 01:33:48 pm
Nah, some of us just have the mental capacity to analyze someone's performance beyond fuhball.

...and what are his successes outside of football?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 05, 2017, 01:37:32 pm
...and what are his successes outside of football?

Im more interested in seeing if someone has the energy to answer your question an 84th time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 01:38:39 pm
Im more interested in seeing if someone has the energy to answer your question an 84th time.

That's the first time I've asked that kid.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hawgon on October 05, 2017, 01:39:20 pm
...and what are his successes outside of football?

My doctor is a pretty crappy doctor all in all, but he built a really nice building for his practice and his staff is really polite.  So, all that said, it doesn't bother me that he prescribed the wrong medication to me that would have killed me had I continued to take it.  I'm smart enough to evaluate his successes outside of medicine.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 05, 2017, 01:42:06 pm
That's the first time I've asked that kid.

You have seen it answered 100 times. You think if the question keeps being asked, those that answer will grow tired of answering and you can eventually use the lack of an answer as proof of something. Your troll is weak. You don't even mask it in clever responses.

The kid
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 01:43:12 pm
...and what are his successes outside of football?

Keeping hopeless people like you around to bitch about everything he does.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: gchamblee on October 05, 2017, 01:44:35 pm
My doctor is a pretty crappy doctor all in all, but he built a really nice building for his practice and his staff is really polite.  So, all that said, it doesn't bother me that he prescribed the wrong medication to me that would have killed me had I continued to take it.  I'm smart enough to evaluate his successes outside of medicine.

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Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 01:46:53 pm
My doctor is a pretty crappy doctor all in all, but he built a really nice building for his practice and his staff is really polite.  So, all that said, it doesn't bother me that he prescribed the wrong medication to me that would have killed me had I continued to take it.  I'm smart enough to evaluate his successes outside of medicine.

Wasn't aware a college football coach or athletic director had a direct hand in potentially killing you.

Huh.

P.S. Our football program isn't dead. It's about where it's always been.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 01:51:20 pm
That's the first time I've asked that kid.

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10/#16-arkansas--1142-million-10

Though written in 2016, U of A has increased the athletic department's revenue by 46.2% over the last five years, which is about 5th highest in the country over that span.

I'd consider that pretty successful for an athletic director whose job encompasses, ya know, more than just HAWG FUHBALL.

Now go ahead and respond with some unoriginal, feeble, and weak attempt at a spin before I put you on ignore so my timeline is no longer cluttered with your utterly sophomoric posts.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: riccoar on October 05, 2017, 01:55:30 pm
...and what are his successes outside of football?
Well, he is the Athletic Director of the largest university in Arkansas.

...and what are your successes outside of trolling Hogville?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 02:07:01 pm
Keeping hopeless people like you around to bitch about everything he does.

Other than his many hiring snafus, what do you think I've "bitched about" in regards to Long?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 05, 2017, 02:08:14 pm
My doctor is a pretty crappy doctor all in all, but he built a really nice building for his practice and his staff is really polite.  So, all that said, it doesn't bother me that he prescribed the wrong medication to me that would have killed me had I continued to take it.  I'm smart enough to evaluate his successes outside of medicine.

He has "good character" and he "graduated".   ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hogsanity on October 05, 2017, 02:11:41 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10/#16-arkansas--1142-million-10

Though written in 2016, U of A has increased the athletic department's revenue by 46.2% over the last five years, which is about 5th highest in the country over that span.

I'd consider that pretty successful for an athletic director whose job encompasses, ya know, more than just HAWG FUHBALL.

Now go ahead and respond with some unoriginal, feeble, and weak attempt at a spin before I put you on ignore so my timeline is no longer cluttered with your utterly sophomoric posts.

I have 2 people on my ignore list and he is one of them. My time here has been much more enjoyable since I put him there.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: PearlHarbor on October 05, 2017, 02:26:10 pm
Where all the lawsuits?
It was Jeff Longs' best interest to fire petrino, and the worst thing that ever happened to the ua.
That decision will cost near 200 mil if you figure we already missed one stadium upgrade, and now we may not be able to pay for this one.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: PearlHarbor on October 05, 2017, 02:48:57 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10/#16-arkansas--1142-million-10

Though written in 2016, U of A has increased the athletic department's revenue by 46.2% over the last five years, which is about 5th highest in the country over that span.

I'd consider that pretty successful for an athletic director whose job encompasses, ya know, more than just HAWG FUHBALL.

Now go ahead and respond with some unoriginal, feeble, and weak attempt at a spin before I put you on ignore so my timeline is no longer cluttered with your utterly sophomoric posts.

Football pays for everything else. Mess that up, and every program is affected.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Deep Shoat on October 05, 2017, 02:51:22 pm
My doctor is a pretty crappy doctor all in all, but he built a really nice building for his practice and his staff is really polite.  So, all that said, it doesn't bother me that he prescribed the wrong medication to me that would have killed me had I continued to take it.  I'm smart enough to evaluate his successes outside of medicine.
That is an absolutely stupid analogy.  The success of the Hogs has no bearing on your health, unless you are a moron. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 02:52:58 pm
Football pays for everything else. Mess that up, and every program is affected.

Mess that up? Did you not see where I said how much the athletic department's revenue has increased over the last 5 years?

When has our football program been in more shambles than the 5 years prior to 2016, when the article was written?

Despite those years, Long was still able to increase the department's revenue by 46.2%. Call me crazy, but that's pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hawgon on October 05, 2017, 02:53:02 pm
That is an absolutely stupid analogy.  The success of the Hogs has no bearing on your health, unless you are a moron.

So, judging someone by the standards of the job for which they are retained, instead of outside extraneous accomplishments only counts if your health is at stake?  Got it. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 05, 2017, 02:54:19 pm
So, judging someone by the standards of the job for which they are retained, instead of outside extraneous accomplishments only counts if your health is at stake?  Got it.

Your argument is crumbling before your very eyes, by no one's fault but your own.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Deep Shoat on October 05, 2017, 02:57:13 pm
So, judging someone by the standards of the job for which they are retained, instead of outside extraneous accomplishments only counts if your health is at stake?  Got it.
The job of the AD is NOT to win football games.

Even hiring coaches is only a small percentage of the job.

Fund raising, effective management of resources, NCAA compliance, public relations...  So many things that are far more important to those who make decisions on hiring and firing of ADs.

Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 08, 2017, 10:14:02 am
Jeff, the Hog storm surge is coming!  Can you feel it?  It's time to pack up your Chateau de Fancy Pants wine and imported cheese and move on!  Coach B can buy your 1st class ticket!
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: Team21 on October 08, 2017, 10:57:51 am
women's golf currently #1 in the nation
men's golf currently top 20 in the nation

May be true, bit what pays for these programs? Actually, what pays for EVERYTHING? Men's Basketball...? Baseball...? Women's Basketball...? Volleyball...? Gymnastics...? Soccer...? Golf, either men's or women's...? Track, either men's or women's?

Would this board exist if ONLY for those NON-FOOTBALL sports? Guess what.... it's the same no matter where you go... with MAYBE the exception of Kentucky, Duke & North Carolina... possibly Kansas. But I would bet all publicly funded Universities programs need a good football program to be healthy & not put a drain on the Universities they represent.

Bottom line, Football PAYS the bills for ALL sports. Without Football, would the rest of our programs even exist?
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 08, 2017, 11:07:22 am
Title IX was a remarkable achievement for women and for individual sports.  But yes, the SEC trough fuels everything.  Jeff...2 questions for you?  1) Do you still have total confidence in Coach B?  2)  If you say yes, do you think your bosses(the PTB or Trustees) have total confidence in you? 
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: tusked on October 08, 2017, 11:14:42 am


Can some of the Long leg humpers bit me.
Title: Re: Jeff Long's Legacy
Post by: hassettsportsman on October 09, 2017, 09:59:40 am
I suspect the Chateau de Fancy Pants wine and imported cheese doesn't taste quite the same today!