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Title: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 06:06:04 am
This really increases my respect for MA as a man and as a coach.  He has done well here at Arkansas, and especially well when you factor in that he is playing true amateurs, and it has now been shown that in at least some cases he was having to compete against paid quasi-professionals.  Given the handicap of running a clean program, 26-10 last year looks like an even more glowing achievement.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: IronMountainHog on September 27, 2017, 06:20:13 am
Time to turn over on MSU and the Perrys. He has been around the game long enough to know what went on with Adidas and Perry. Hope to see the crooks in Starkville go down hard.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: hogwood on September 27, 2017, 09:05:18 am
Much respect for CMA!
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Darren DeLoach (semohawg) on September 27, 2017, 10:38:42 am
Now come on, all I hear on this forum is that doing it the right way is the mantra for losers.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: hogwild6700 on September 27, 2017, 11:49:18 am
If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin :)
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: mbgrulz on September 27, 2017, 11:53:32 am
That was before we realized that the FBI might get involved. I honestly had no clue that the FBI would give a rip about any of this. Glad they do though!
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: sickboy on September 27, 2017, 12:43:51 pm
I get the feeling that Bielema is the same way. I know most just want to win, but I like the fact that our coaches seem to be honest men. That goes a long way with me.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 12:53:30 pm
Since yesterday, the premium on honesty in coaching has soared.  It's pretty nice to be very confident that our coach was not participating in what Dicky V. calls this "cesspool."  Who knows what Anderson might be able to accomplish on a level playing field.  He's done well even with cheaters stacking the deck against him.  Hopefully, those days are over and we'll see who's best in an honest competition.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: 3kgthog on September 27, 2017, 01:12:53 pm
I'm not breathing a sigh of relief until it's official no one at the UA is under investigation. We may not be an adidas school, but we've got a decent sized AAU presence in this state. Once the ten arrested folks start singing, who knows what'll come out?
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: navyhog24 on September 27, 2017, 01:14:51 pm
That was before we realized that the FBI might get involved. I honestly had no clue that the FBI would give a rip about any of this. Glad they do though!

I think they only really got involved because federal grant money started being used in the cheating
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Paul on September 27, 2017, 01:16:39 pm
I'm not breathing a sigh of relief until it's official no one at the UA is under investigation. We may not be an adidas school, but we've got a decent sized AAU presence in this state. Once the ten arrested folks start singing, who knows what'll come out?
  Yep, Nike up next  http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=638522.0
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: BadHog on September 27, 2017, 01:17:29 pm
I'm not breathing a sigh of relief until it's official no one at the UA is under investigation. We may not be an adidas school, but we've got a decent sized AAU presence in this state. Once the ten arrested folks start singing, who knows what'll come out?

Not worried about CMA. If he were cheating, Monk, Allen, et al would have played for him. He is a great coach and a gentleman.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Paul on September 27, 2017, 01:22:02 pm
Not worried about CMA. If he were cheating, Monk, Allen, et al would have played for him. He is a great coach and a gentleman.
  Hope you're right & our AAU connections are on the up & up
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 01:24:03 pm
I'm not breathing a sigh of relief until it's official no one at the UA is under investigation. We may not be an adidas school, but we've got a decent sized AAU presence in this state. Once the ten arrested folks start singing, who knows what'll come out?

You could be right to withhold judgment for now, but the reason I'm very confident that we're clean is due to our never getting any of these five star guys.  If we were paying, we'd be getting the kind of top recruits Pearl and Howland have been getting. We've gotten solid recruits, but except for Bobby Portis, Anderson has never gotten a five star recruit.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Smalltownhog95 on September 27, 2017, 01:39:03 pm
Im actually even more impressed with Mike A now. He came into a league corrupted and improved recruiting and potentially lost a couple 5 star kids because of corruption but still managed to become competitive.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 27, 2017, 02:58:39 pm
This really increases my respect for MA as a man and as a coach.  He has done well here at Arkansas, and especially well when you factor in that he is playing true amateurs, and it has now been shown that in at least some cases he was having to compete against paid quasi-professionals.  Given the handicap of running a clean program, 26-10 last year looks like an even more glowing achievement.

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on Today at 01:50:12 pm

    I'm starting to think we got screwed more than any team in the nation due to teams paying recruits and we wouldn't.

_response by Fan701
You may well be right.  We've lost great recruits like Perry, Monk, and Goodwin, and I now strongly suspect that we lost because we followed the rules, while the other guys cheated.  The other coaches must have sized up Anderson as a chump for not cheating, and he endured so much unjust criticism here for never being able to land these kinds of guys.  He never once complained, and he's getting the last laugh now.
________

Hey fan701,  How do you square these two comments by you in two different threads?
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: forrest city joe on September 27, 2017, 03:13:08 pm
I have always respected Mike. and respect him even more today.he has done all he could,with the talent he has had.his 3 stars are not going to beat KY 5 stars most nights.the teams who buy the best players win the most.no shock there.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: HoopS on September 27, 2017, 03:32:25 pm
We have a great person as our coach. Weve known this. Glad some see the light now. He deserves credit for what hes been doing and HOW.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 03:42:56 pm
Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on Today at 01:50:12 pm

    I'm starting to think we got screwed more than any team in the nation due to teams paying recruits and we wouldn't.

_response by Fan701
You may well be right.  We've lost great recruits like Perry, Monk, and Goodwin, and I now strongly suspect that we lost because we followed the rules, while the other guys cheated.  The other coaches must have sized up Anderson as a chump for not cheating, and he endured so much unjust criticism here for never being able to land these kinds of guys.  He never once complained, and he's getting the last laugh now.
________

Hey fan701,  How do you square these two comments by you in two different threads?
I don't get your point?  Both quotes say similar things.  Why would they need to be squared?  Both praise our coach for keeping us out of this mess. You must have misread something.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 27, 2017, 04:32:15 pm
I don't get your point?  Both quotes say similar things.  Why would they need to be squared?  Both praise our coach for keeping us out of this mess. You must have misread something.

Well, the first one is you praising Anderson for being on the up and up and the 2nd one is you agreeing with rzrbackramsfan that we got screwed for not cheating. 

So, I repeat, how do you square those two posts?
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 06:30:03 pm
Well, the first one is you praising Anderson for being on the up and up and the 2nd one is you agreeing with rzrbackramsfan that we got screwed for not cheating. 

So, I repeat, how do you square those two posts?
Yes, we were on the up and up and, yes, that put us at a disadvantage to those who were cheating, as rzbackramfan wrote.  How is that a contradiction? We have done remarkably well considering that at least some of the teams we played were cheating.  I think you're misreading what was written.  I don't think that rzbackramsfan meant that we should have been cheating, but rather that we lost several top recruits to cheaters and were thereby "screwed."
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: BrooklynRoss on September 27, 2017, 06:48:55 pm
As much as I think college athletes should (and will) be paid, good on Coach Mike for running a clean program. I've hung out a lot with the guy, and he's not the type to cheat to win.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: hamARchy in the USA on September 27, 2017, 07:49:39 pm
Arkansas has a history of being a clean program.  That's not new.  There have always been cheating programs yet the Razorback program has been second to none despite them.   Top coaches maintain top programs.  We've experienced it.  Now we're experiencing the opposite.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 09:03:16 pm
Arkansas has a history of being a clean program.  That's not new.  There have always been cheating programs yet the Razorback program has been second to none despite them.   Top coaches maintain top programs.  We've experienced it.  Now we're experiencing the opposite.
The shoe companies are interested only in players who are likely NBA prospects, one-and-done types, so the schools we should be suspicious of are the ones who get five-star prospects. No shoe company is going to pay money to a three-star nor, most likely, even a four-star.  Schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee,Vanderbilt, and South Carolina are presumably clean since they rarely, if ever, get a five-star.  It's schools like Auburn, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, LSU, and now maybe Missouri that are very possibly dirty.  I'm not sure which group I put Florida in, probably with the cleans.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: ErieHog on September 27, 2017, 09:06:21 pm
The shoe companies are interested only in players who are likely NBA prospects, one-and-done types, so the schools we should be suspicious of are the ones who get five-star prospects. No shoe company is going to pay money to a three-star nor, most likely, even a four-star.  Schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee,Vanderbilt, and South Carolina are presumably clean since they rarely, if ever, get a five-star.  It's schools like Auburn, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, LSU, and now maybe Missouri that are very possibly dirty.  I'm not sure which group I put Florida in, probably with the cleans.

South Carolina is in this up to their elbows; they are the only school that fits the criteria established for 'School 2' in the FBI's statement of allegations (public university in S. Carolina, with over 30,000 enrollment) -- so they're involved.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 09:12:45 pm
South Carolina is in this up to their elbows; they are the only school that fits the criteria established for 'School 2' in the FBI's statement of allegations (public university in S. Carolina, with over 30,000 enrollment) -- so they're involved.
Clemson maybe?  South Carolina is almost always towards the bottom in recruiting.  They've gotten good players, but no one-and-done types that I can remember.  No shoe company is going to pay a kid who has slim prospects of ever playing in the NBA, which would describe the three and occasional four star guys S. Carolina gets.  Their recruiting looks much more similar to ours than to, say, Auburn's.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: grayhawg on September 27, 2017, 09:14:37 pm
Only takes one assistant coach messing up.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: ErieHog on September 27, 2017, 09:20:53 pm
Clemson maybe?  South Carolina is almost always towards the bottom in recruiting.  They've gotten good players, but no one-and-done types that I can remember.  No shoe company is going to pay a kid who has slim prospects of ever playing in the NBA, which would describe the three and occasional four star guys S. Carolina gets.  Their recruiting looks much more similar to ours than to, say, Auburn's.


Clemson is only at about 25k, even including the graduate school populations.

South Carolina is the only possible school that fits all the qualified descriptors of School 2.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 09:24:46 pm
Clemson is only at about 25k, even including the graduate school populations.

South Carolina is the only possible school that fits all the qualified descriptors of School 2.
OK, but if they've been cheating, they're not very good at it.  I can't think of one five-star going to S. Carolina, i.e., not one recruit a shoe company would be interested in paying.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Arctic Hog on September 27, 2017, 09:26:12 pm
Clemson maybe?  South Carolina is almost always towards the bottom in recruiting.  They've gotten good players, but no one-and-done types that I can remember.  No shoe company is going to pay a kid who has slim prospects of ever playing in the NBA, which would describe the three and occasional four star guys S. Carolina gets.  Their recruiting looks much more similar to ours than to, say, Auburn's.


From ESPN article

By then, the men were already making monthly payments to Oklahoma State assistant Lamont Evans, who the FBI says accepted at least $22,000 in bribes to steer his players toward Sood and Dawkins. Their relationship started when Evans was an assistant at South Carolina, but he left to join the Cowboys because it was "better players, more, more, more business."
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Fan701 on September 27, 2017, 09:28:15 pm
From ESPN article

By then, the men were already making monthly payments to Oklahoma State assistant Lamont Evans, who the FBI says accepted at least $22,000 in bribes to steer his players toward Sood and Dawkins. Their relationship started when Evans was an assistant at South Carolina, but he left to join the Cowboys because it was "better players, more, more, more business."
Would that imply that the shoe companies weren't interested in the caliber of player generally recruited for S. Carolina basketball?  They get good players, but no NBA-ready ones, but maybe there was something else going on. We'll see.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 27, 2017, 09:34:57 pm
Yes, we were on the up and up and, yes, that put us at a disadvantage to those who were cheating, as rzbackramfan wrote.  How is that a contradiction? We have done remarkably well considering that at least some of the teams we played were cheating.  I think you're misreading what was written.  I don't think that rzbackramsfan meant that we should have been cheating, but rather that we lost several top recruits to cheaters and were thereby "screwed."

Well, whatever.  Let's be happy we got screwed because if we hadn't got screwed we would be really screwed.  Get me?
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Arctic Hog on September 27, 2017, 09:35:05 pm
Would that imply that the shoe companies weren't interested in the caliber of player generally recruited for S. Carolina basketball?  They get good players, but no NBA-ready ones.

No idea, I was just trying to show a direct link between the investigation and South Carolina.  If you haven't already found it, here's the link to the entire article.  It's a bit long, but a good read nonetheless.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834050/the-story-how-fbi-brought-words-corruption (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834050/the-story-how-fbi-brought-words-corruption)
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 27, 2017, 10:21:06 pm
That sounds to me like the actors in this decided that SCe wasn't lucrative enough for what they wanted to do. Like, they didn't get much traction at SC so they moved on. May end up being a good thing for SC
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 27, 2017, 10:24:36 pm
Yes, we were on the up and up and, yes, that put us at a disadvantage to those who were cheating, as rzbackramfan wrote.  How is that a contradiction? We have done remarkably well considering that at least some of the teams we played were cheating.  I think you're misreading what was written.  I don't think that rzbackramsfan meant that we should have been cheating, but rather that we lost several top recruits to cheaters and were thereby "screwed."

Yes, sir!
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: zsanfusa on September 27, 2017, 11:26:40 pm
This just also make me have so much more respect for the mid-majors as well.  Thanks Mike, I kept the faith and was well rewarded, and I did really want the same for Bret, it just doesn't seem to be working.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: oldman1015 on September 28, 2017, 07:41:32 am
No program is 100% clean some just cheat more than others. There is no telling how big this could get.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: hoglady on September 28, 2017, 10:00:49 am
Probably fixing to get really big now since Nike has been implicated.

Too early to tell who's clean and who's not.
I can see a head coach not knowing what an assistant did or an AAU coach did that could get you caught up right in the middle of this mess.

Probably going to be some innocent head coaches having to deal with this.

Appears the FBI is going after Nike full bore.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: twistitup on September 28, 2017, 10:02:25 am
I get the feeling that Bielema is the same way. I know most just want to win, but I like the fact that our coaches seem to be honest men. That goes a long way with me.

lordy....more excuses for the big fella - great guy, keep him.

Sure....just cut his salary by 50%
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Champs04 on September 28, 2017, 10:55:18 am
I think we are clean. If not Anderson should be fired instantly for paying for some of the players we have.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: hoglady on September 28, 2017, 01:07:09 pm
The shoe companies are interested only in players who are likely NBA prospects, one-and-done types, so the schools we should be suspicious of are the ones who get five-star prospects. No shoe company is going to pay money to a three-star nor, most likely, even a four-star.  Schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee,Vanderbilt, and South Carolina are presumably clean since they rarely, if ever, get a five-star.  It's schools like Auburn, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, LSU, and now maybe Missouri that are very possibly dirty.  I'm not sure which group I put Florida in, probably with the cleans.

Not necessarily - even the kid at Louisville wasn't a one and done prospect / even though he was a 5 star.
I was listening to an AAU guy on the radio the other day - and he said he'd heard of many instances where players with mid tier talent were getting anywhere from $15,000 to $40,000.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: LRHawg on September 28, 2017, 01:47:13 pm
I'll eat my crow. I criticized Mike for losing out on recruiting battles and while I had suspected some cheating, now I know why. I'm damn proud he's our coach and I'll take my crow well-done, thanks.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: HoopS on September 28, 2017, 07:25:36 pm
Arkansas has a history of being a clean program.  That's not new.  There have always been cheating programs yet the Razorback program has been second to none despite them.   Top coaches maintain top programs.  We've experienced it.  Now we're experiencing the opposite.
experiencing the opposite? The horse crap.

Anderson sure is a burr in your saddle it seems.

To each their own though.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Kevin McPherson on September 28, 2017, 11:02:35 pm
South Carolina is in this up to their elbows; they are the only school that fits the criteria established for 'School 2' in the FBI's statement of allegations (public university in S. Carolina, with over 30,000 enrollment) -- so they're involved.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 28, 2017, 11:15:37 pm
I remember thinking when they got Dozier something was wierd about it. Martin was known to do some shady stuff in his highschool coaching years. Seemed like there was someone around Dozier with ties to Martin's highschool coaching career.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: pigture perfect on September 28, 2017, 11:17:51 pm
coach Anderson is no doubt one of the good guys n the sport. I'm going to be absolutely floored if they find anything on us.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 29, 2017, 09:18:22 am
coach Anderson is no doubt one of the good guys n the sport. I'm going to be absolutely floored if they find anything on us.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: tncbg on September 29, 2017, 09:26:37 am
I don't think MA will have any problems, but I'm not ready to crow just yet. Nike is just as involved as Adidas, so Nike schools are not off the hook. Granted, if MA is cheating he's not very good at it, but time will tell. Just to set the record straight, Allen was not paid to go to Florida. Arkansas just didn't recruit him very hard because they thought Monk was a done deal. Every kid that leaves the state is not doing so for cash. Some just don't have the connection to the program that we might expect. Allen never led anyone to believe he was a hog. He just quietly went through the process and felt comfortable at Florida. I know for a fact that some other programs came at him with cash, but he never even took visits to them. I can't speak to the Monk and Perry situations. Both seemed to abruptly change directions based on some outside stimulus. We may never know about those guys, but maybe this investigation will send some of the rats into hiding.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: J-Five on September 29, 2017, 09:29:41 am
I find this thread very amusing...Mike Anderson got DESTROYED when Perry decommitted by some of these posters, but now, it's all praise.  I wish folks weren't so quick to judge and critique a coach (especially over the commitment of a fickle teenager since none of us knows what really goes on).  And I suspect the moment that the bball team loses a game that they shouldn't, the bashing will come back.  LOL. 
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: rude1 on September 29, 2017, 09:30:58 am
This is also why CMA keeps a close knit group on his coaching staff, this is exhibit A why he wouldn't do as some wanted him to do, go out and get himself an assistant who had a rep for recruiting, you don't know how the guy is doing it and ultimately could get you into the situation we see today.

This shouldn't surprise anyone though, how many years have we all sit here and discussed the dirt affiliated with the AAU circuit, the "handlers", "father figures", "aau coaches", etc. that had to be waded through to get to the top level recruits? Nolan complained about this when the AAU circuit first started to come into prominence, and yet it took this long and the Feds to step in to begin and try and clean this cesspool up.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: J-Five on September 29, 2017, 09:49:17 am
This is also why CMA keeps a close knit group on his coaching staff, this is exhibit A why he wouldn't do as some wanted him to do, go out and get himself an assistant who had a rep for recruiting, you don't know how they guy is doing it and ultimately could get you into the situation we see today.

This shouldn't surprise anyone though, how many years have we all sit here and discussed the dirt affiliated with the AAU circuit, the "handlers", "father figures", "aau coaches", etc. that had to be waded through to get to the top level recruits? Nolan complained about this when the AAU circuit first started to come into prominence, and yet it took this long and the Feds to step in to begin and try and clean this cesspool up.



good points...
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: PorkRinds on September 29, 2017, 07:23:30 pm
This is also why CMA keeps a close knit group on his coaching staff, this is exhibit A why he wouldn't do as some wanted him to do, go out and get himself an assistant who had a rep for recruiting, you don't know how the guy is doing it and ultimately could get you into the situation we see today.

This shouldn't surprise anyone though, how many years have we all sit here and discussed the dirt affiliated with the AAU circuit, the "handlers", "father figures", "aau coaches", etc. that had to be waded through to get to the top level recruits? Nolan complained about this when the AAU circuit first started to come into prominence, and yet it took this long and the Feds to step in to begin and try and clean this cesspool up.

I never actually looked at it that way, but it does make MA's practice of always hiring someone from within his circle of influence that he knows personally. Doing otherwise could cost you your job and your reputation.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 30, 2017, 06:48:59 am
I wonder if there have been or will be any head coaches get canned for an assistants actions that they really didn't know anything about. I'd sue
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Paul on September 30, 2017, 09:39:58 am
OK, but if they've been cheating, they're not very good at it.  I can't think of one five-star going to S. Carolina, i.e., not one recruit a shoe company would be interested in paying.
before leaving for Ok St Evans was responsible for getting Thornwell & Dozier who led them to their 1st Final Four in school history.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 30, 2017, 11:27:36 am
I wonder if there have been or will be any head coaches get canned for an assistants actions that they really didn't know anything about. I'd sue

You would lose.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 30, 2017, 12:54:39 pm
before leaving for Ok St Evans was responsible for getting Thornwell & Dozier who led them to their 1st Final Four in school history.

Yes so I don't understand why South Carolina is free from the FBI investigation.  Maybe the NCAA will find enough to put some banning in place. 
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 30, 2017, 01:23:29 pm
Yes so I don't understand why South Carolina is free from the FBI investigation.  Maybe the NCAA will find enough to put some banning in place.

The FBI is not done yet.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 30, 2017, 02:52:54 pm
Yes so I don't understand why South Carolina is free from the FBI investigation.  Maybe the NCAA will find enough to put some banning in place.

I don't think any school is under investigation, just individuals at this point. Right now, Oklahoma St is taking the PR black eye but when the charges against their coach come out and possibly include Carolina I have a feeling that Martin will have his final four vacated among other things.

The NCAA ramifications are going to trail the FBI case. Be patient.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Hogs49ers on September 30, 2017, 04:19:24 pm
This is also why CMA keeps a close knit group on his coaching staff, this is exhibit A why he wouldn't do as some wanted him to do, go out and get himself an assistant who had a rep for recruiting, you don't know how the guy is doing it and ultimately could get you into the situation we see today.

This shouldn't surprise anyone though, how many years have we all sit here and discussed the dirt affiliated with the AAU circuit, the "handlers", "father figures", "aau coaches", etc. that had to be waded through to get to the top level recruits? Nolan complained about this when the AAU circuit first started to come into prominence, and yet it took this long and the Feds to step in to begin and try and clean this cesspool up.

This!

I keep hearing people say "all it takes is one dirty assistant coach" to bring it all down for the entire program.  There is absolutely no way that the head coaches do not know what is going on if their assistants are doing that.  The HC is most likely managing the assistant and telling him what to do in most scenarios.  You do not just have assistants going rogue and handling this dirty business all on their own.  This is why I feel confident about us, because Mike would not allow his assistants to do this, probably would not even hire the ones that would even think about it.

The reason some of y'all think that HCs do not know about it in some instances is because the HC always comes out and says "I had absolutely no clue that that was going on and would of put a quick stop to it if I had known....".  Well obviously they are going to say that, what do you think they are going to say??  "I knew all about this, go ahead and fire me, tarnish my entire career, and make sure I can never get a HC job again" ???
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 30, 2017, 04:30:31 pm
I don't think any school is under investigation, just individuals at this point. Right now, Oklahoma St is taking the PR black eye but when the charges against their coach come out and possibly include Carolina I have a feeling that Martin will have his final four vacated among other things.

The NCAA ramifications are going to trail the FBI case. Be patient.

Cause I was going to say, based on an article I read, Lamont Evans did more wrong at USC than OSU. 
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: MountieDawg on October 06, 2017, 12:15:00 pm
Less than 5 percent of the schools in Division I college basketball have been named by the FBI probe, so all those schools deserve much respect for doing it the right way too????
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 06, 2017, 12:18:24 pm
Less than 5 percent of the schools in Division I college basketball have been named by the FBI probe, so all those schools deserve much respect for doing it the right way too????

The investigation continues...... Be afraid cat boy. Be very afraid. I'll bet Cal and his bagmen are busier than a cat covering up shh.
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: MountieDawg on October 06, 2017, 12:26:45 pm
The investigation continues...... Be afraid cat boy. Be very afraid. I'll bet Cal and his bagmen are busier than a cat covering up shh.

With in the last 15 years I can only think of one school who lost 2 NCAA Championships due to an FBI invstigation.  But I cant remember the school, can you?
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: Athog on October 07, 2017, 08:06:42 am
Now come on, all I hear on this forum is that doing it the right way is the mantra for losers.


You know the old Hogville way is "fire them as soon as you can" and put the attention on me the unknown poster!
Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: MountieDawg on October 07, 2017, 01:07:02 pm
The investigation continues...... Be afraid cat boy. Be very afraid. I'll bet Cal and his bagmen are busier than a cat covering up shh.

Here it is...

http://es.pn/1nBjuaY

Title: Re: Respect for Anderson in light of FBI probe
Post by: FineAsSwine on October 07, 2017, 03:02:42 pm
Here it is...

http://es.pn/1nBjuaY

Sorry cat boy, the statute of limitations ran on that almost a decade ago. Is that the best you got?