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RB Sports Discussion => SEC Sports => Topic started by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 26, 2017, 09:34:48 am

Title: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 26, 2017, 09:34:48 am
Four assistant coaches in basketball arrested by FBI for corruption in recruiting. One Auburn, one Okie St, one USC-W, one Arizona.  Do arrests affect cheating in football?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 26, 2017, 09:55:19 am
I guess nobody wonders if the Auburn assistant basketball coach might know of cheating in any other sports.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: NaturalStateReb on September 26, 2017, 09:58:24 am
I think basketball is just more corrupt than football.  There's a whole AAU problem present there that's not present in football.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 26, 2017, 10:01:36 am
I think basketball is just more corrupt than football.  There's a whole AAU problem present there that's not present in football.

That may be right.  I do wonder, though, if actual arrests for fraud might scare a few cheaters in football into either quitting or squealing.  It's one thing to get NCAA sanctions and another to be hauled into court on a felony.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: 3kgthog on September 26, 2017, 10:07:21 am
We'll find out more once those arrested start making plea deals. If I'm Auburn, look out.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Arazorbackguy1 on September 26, 2017, 10:37:36 am
Calling it now, Calipari will have to vacate his championships at UK when he's found to be a part of this.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 26, 2017, 10:51:39 am
Calling it now, Calipari will have to vacate his championships at UK when he's found to be a part of this.

According to court documents the scheme involved a school in the state of Kentucky.  It didn't name the Wildcats, but the investigation does include a Ky school.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: 311Hog on September 26, 2017, 10:54:43 am
this investigation could finally be the one that blows up this sham we all know is going on with the "business decisions" being made and high lvl basketball and football recruits.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-officials-arrested-on-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 26, 2017, 10:55:49 am
WOW this is shocking for sure.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: cityhog on September 26, 2017, 11:19:18 am
WOW this is shocking for sure.

Where's that sarcasm button? Shocking? Really?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:21:53 am
According to court documents the scheme involved a school in the state of Kentucky.  It didn't name the Wildcats, but the investigation does include a Ky school.

louisville
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Cambridge Hog on September 26, 2017, 11:22:06 am
This buys Jeff Long another 5 years. He will spin it as the boat we are in is much better than Auburn, Ole Miss, et al
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: younghog on September 26, 2017, 11:26:45 am
Not HOG related..

DON'T CARE
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: HogHomer on September 26, 2017, 11:30:22 am
Not HOG related..

DON'T CARE
Then DON'T read. This is a going effect a lot of schools and not just in basketball.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Cambridge Hog on September 26, 2017, 11:31:23 am
Not HOG related..

DON'T CARE

If we have ever recruited against Auburn or Ok State it does. Players being paid to go to these schools and busted by the FBI, not the toothless NCAA
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Adam Stokes on September 26, 2017, 11:35:32 am
Not HOG related..

DON'T CARE

Yep, because Archie and Malik leaving for business decisions wasn't Hog related. Get real.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 11:44:26 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKqIQJpU8AAMNVb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:54:55 am
Not HOG related..

DON'T CARE

I would not assume anything at this point. all coaches are probably sweating today
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: tusked on September 26, 2017, 12:17:11 pm

I don't know how anyone can be shocked by this.  All of college sports is corrupted. 

In the long run we may find out that this is an example of why Perry went to MSU.  I'd say that college football isn't far behind.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: HoginMemphis on September 26, 2017, 12:30:23 pm
I hope some P5 universities have their tax-free status called into question by the IRS, at least on major sports revenues ($5 bottles of water anyone?).
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: HoginMemphis on September 26, 2017, 12:31:19 pm
Calling it now, Calipari will have to vacate his championships at UK when he's found to be a part of this.
World Wide Gus, baby. He's the original real deal. Man of vision and genius. Cal is teflon at KY. They will not be vacating anything.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: younghog on September 26, 2017, 12:39:43 pm
If we have ever recruited against Auburn or Ok State it does. Players being paid to go to these schools and busted by the FBI, not the toothless NCAA

REACH of DOTS

I would not assume anything at this point. all coaches are probably sweating today

My money says MA runs a good ship..

Then DON'T read. This is a going effect a lot of schools and not just in basketball.

SPIN..
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Hawgey-Davidson on September 26, 2017, 12:48:29 pm
I don't know how anyone can be shocked by this.  All of college sports is corrupted. 

In the long run we may find out that this is an example of why Perry went to MSU.  I'd say that college football isn't far behind.
MSU = adidas
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: TrueBlue on September 26, 2017, 12:56:04 pm
"Among those arrested was James Gatto, director of global sports marketing for Adidas, who was accused of paying high school basketball players or their families for committing to sign with a university sponsored by Adidas. The complaint identifies $250,000 in payments made by Gatto and other co-defendants."

Interesting to see if they "reveal" whom was given payments. You won't have to wait for an NCAA investigation now that the Feds are involved. It will be cut and dried.

Could make for an interesting year in college basketball.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on September 26, 2017, 12:56:51 pm
I think basketball is just more corrupt than football.  There's a whole AAU problem present there that's not present in football.

With good reason. In basketball, you can make your team with one great player so there's a greater reward / risk profile. You can't do that in football -- it (usually) takes massive cheating on an SMU / Ole Miss scale.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: LRHawg on September 26, 2017, 01:01:17 pm
"Among those arrested was James Gatto, director of global sports marketing for Adidas, who was accused of paying high school basketball players or their families for committing to sign with a university sponsored by Adidas. The complaint identifies $250,000 in payments made by Gatto and other co-defendants."

Interesting to see if they "reveal" whom was given payments. You won't have to wait for an NCAA investigation now that the Feds are involved. It will be cut and dried.

Could make for an interesting year in college basketball.

Didn't we already suspect that part of why Perry decommitted from us, and committed to Miss State, was because of a possible shoe deal/branding with Adidas?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: earshot on September 26, 2017, 01:13:03 pm
What is the Crime that was committed? I know it is against NCAA rules but what federal crime says you cant pay someone to go to a particular school?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Cambridge Hog on September 26, 2017, 01:19:35 pm
What is the Crime that was committed? I know it is against NCAA rules but what federal crime says you cant pay someone to go to a particular school?

Bribery. Felony...
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 26, 2017, 01:29:43 pm
I think basketball is just more corrupt than football.  There's a whole AAU problem present there that's not present in football.

This
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: S.A.D.C on September 26, 2017, 02:23:03 pm
louisville

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-give-louisville-basketball-death-sentence-bombshell-allegations-prove-correct-181930063.html

Pat Forde lives in Louisville- he is calling for the death penalty. 

I do not say this to defend BB in any way- coaches have to win.  And Jeff Long has to hire winners.  BUT to the large contingent of people on HV who still believe this school should have continued to employ someone who lacked integrity:  here are the fruits of that tree.  Rick Petino has been sketchy for a long time and now the University that was willing to look past that in the pursuit of championships has a very real chance of having no future in the sport for a very very very long time.   
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Mike Irwin on September 26, 2017, 02:47:22 pm
I've been told that the four arrests are a fraction of what's really out there. Supposedly it's happening in football too. The NCAA is a horrible enforcement agency. We'll see if the NCAA is better.

My guess is they're going to put the squeeze on these coaches to try to root out more of the cheaters. (actually law breakers)
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: ricepig on September 26, 2017, 02:51:09 pm
World Wide Gus, baby. He's the original real deal. Man of vision and genius. Cal is teflon at KY. They will not be vacating anything.

World Wide Wes.... William Wesley of CAA.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Drop the Mike on September 26, 2017, 02:53:54 pm
Looks like you might be able to rent the YUM! Center out really cheap in the near future
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 03:34:13 pm
I've been told that the four arrests are a fraction of what's really out there. Supposedly it's happening in football too. The NCAA is a horrible enforcement agency. We'll see if the NCAA is better.

My guess is they're going to put the squeeze on these coaches to try to root out more of the cheaters. (actually law breakers)
Football is pee wee compared to what's going on in basketball. I've seen it for years in the club circuit. I knew the NCAA would never do anything about it, it's like a known understanding between them and the NBA. NCAA benefits by keeping these 1 and done guys for a year and profits off of them, the NBA is happy because that's what their players union wants, and a big grey cloud isn't following these athletes for breaking rules.

Football has just started into the "club" world so to speak.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
I think basketball is just more corrupt than football.  There's a whole AAU problem present there that's not present in football.

Makes you wonder who are the biggest sponsors of AAU teams?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Hogs49ers on September 26, 2017, 06:26:11 pm
Makes you wonder who are the biggest sponsors of AAU teams?

Adidas I would imagine.  Pretty clear who they are talking about from this article:  "Kim said the managers and financial advisers were "circling blue-chip prospects like coyotes" and that "employees of one of the world's largest sportswear companies [was] secretly funneling cash to the families of high school recruits."
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: bville_hog on September 26, 2017, 07:02:26 pm
MSU = adidas

Perry showed up in a video in a foreign country with other adidas "athletes"
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Wooderson on September 26, 2017, 07:44:32 pm
What is the Crime that was committed? I know it is against NCAA rules but what federal crime says you cant pay someone to go to a particular school?


All kinds of possible tax evasion scenarios.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: TrueBlue on September 26, 2017, 07:57:51 pm
If the NCAA had a backbone, schools like Miami would have been penalized heavily when they were caught before and they wouldn't still be doing the same thing over and over. (For example, the Shapiro mess - which paid a lot of players money.)

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/university-of-miami-basketball-involved-in-ncaa-adidas-corruption-probe-9701650

Another basketball school that needs the death penalty is North Carolina with all of the academic fraud.

Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 08:06:28 pm
What is the Crime that was committed? I know it is against NCAA rules but what federal crime says you cant pay someone to go to a particular school?

Money laundering
Wire fraud
Tax evasion
and I'm sure I am missing a few.  You have to also consider these funds were intentionally allocated wrong on the books.  You start *** with a publicly traded company and this becomes big deal real quick.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Knot2brite on September 26, 2017, 09:01:05 pm
I have always suspected that MA has run an clean program due to the fact that big named recruits knew he wasn't going to play the money game and weren't interested in Arkansas. The bigger names that he did get probably came because of a honest connection with him. I am not surprised that Howland'sname is connected with this because he has proven to be a absolute snake and Pearl as well. I have never liked AAU basketball unless it was run by a high school coach with a decent reputation but those are few and far between
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 09:10:36 pm
I have always suspected that MA has run an clean program due to the fact that big named recruits knew he wasn't going to play the money game and weren't interested in Arkansas. The bigger names that he did get probably came because of a honest connection with him. I am not surprised that Howland'sname is connected with this because he has proven to be a absolute snake and Pearl as well. I have never liked AAU basketball unless it was run by a high school coach with a decent reputation but those are few and far between

We've always known the AAU circuit was a money funnelling system for college basketball.  Some coaches have learned to really get involved with it (Coach K, Roy W., Cal, etc) and some stayed away from it because they hated it like Nolan. 
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: hobhog on September 26, 2017, 09:33:59 pm
Bribery. Felony...

Tax evasion, money laundering.....

fBI don't **** around.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: TexArkHogFan on September 27, 2017, 06:48:01 am
According to court documents the scheme involved a school in the state of Kentucky.  It didn't name the Wildcats, but the investigation does include a Ky school.
  Louisville
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: clutch on September 27, 2017, 08:38:36 am
What is the Crime that was committed? I know it is against NCAA rules but what federal crime says you cant pay someone to go to a particular school?


Lots of them. These schools were creating false invoices so that they'd have a way to access the money to funnel to players.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: azhog10 on September 27, 2017, 08:40:29 am
Lots of them. These schools were creating false invoices so that they'd have a way to access the money to funnel to players.
I would also bet its safe to say no one filed any of these "payments" in their income taxes......
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: onebadrubi on September 27, 2017, 08:52:53 am
I would also bet its safe to say no one filed any of these "payments" in their income taxes......

Adidas did as cost of doing business, not sure exactly where on their GL they put it though. These payments were on their books, which I have to believe is where the Feds got started.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: mizzouman on September 27, 2017, 08:54:23 am
It could spill over into football.  But, yes, basketball is more corrupt given the AAU scene and shoes.
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: onebadrubi on September 27, 2017, 08:57:08 am
It could spill over into football.  But, yes, basketball is more corrupt given the AAU scene and shoes.

Has Martin been mentioned anywhere?
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: mizzouman on September 27, 2017, 09:00:16 am
Has Martin been mentioned anywhere?
Cuonzo?  Not that I'm aware of.   
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: azhog10 on September 27, 2017, 09:03:21 am
Adidas did as cost of doing business, not sure exactly where on their GL they put it though. These payments were on their books, which I have to believe is where the Feds got started.
Talking about those who received the money....
Title: Re: Basketball Fraud Arrests - how it affects sports
Post by: Kevin on September 27, 2017, 09:08:00 am
right now, everything is on hold, till they start flipping guys. once that starts who knows who get caught up in it.

I would think nobody is out of the woods.