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Title: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HoggyCat on September 26, 2017, 08:34:48 am
Don't have all the particulars, but an Okie Lite and Auburn assistant have been arrested by the FBI. Something related to NBA kickbacks. Also reports of managers and financial managers of apparel companies arrested in ties to it.


http://footballscoop.com/news/fbi-arrests-several-ncaa-basketball-coaches-corruption/
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 26, 2017, 08:58:52 am
Wow!!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 09:02:32 am
No way auburn would be tied up In any kind of trouble, Bruce pearl is squeaky clean......

Hopefully players names come out as well
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: batmanfan on September 26, 2017, 09:22:22 am
Looks like their may be some ADIDAS schools involved in other investigations as well via Darren Rovell.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 09:33:47 am
Press Conference Advisory


https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/press-conference-advisory-2 (https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/press-conference-advisory-2)


There will be a press conference today at noon to announce charges of fraud and corruption in college basketball.  Federal criminal charges have been brought against ten people, including four college basketball coaches, as well as managers, financial advisors, and representatives of a major international sportswear company.  The press conference will be livestreamed on Facebook @USAOSDNY.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Little Lady Back on September 26, 2017, 09:35:57 am
Looks like their may be some ADIDAS schools involved in other investigations as well via Darren Rovell.

Isn't M$U an adidas school? js 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 09:38:04 am
No way auburn would be tied up In any kind of trouble, Bruce pearl is squeaky clean......

Hopefully players names come out as well


(http://thumbs.gfycat.com/RemotePleasantBluebird-small.gif)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: 3kgthog on September 26, 2017, 09:41:14 am
Isn't M$U an adidas school? js

It just so happens they are!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 09:44:09 am
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKp-3RqW0AAKUHt?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 09:52:55 am
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Along with coaches, the defendants include one agent, a financial adviser and a former referee.

a referee?  you don't say

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 09:56:40 am
No way to sugar coat it. These indictments are a nuclear bomb dropped on college basketball just as the season is starting.
from seth davis on twitter
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Little Lady Back on September 26, 2017, 09:57:43 am
a referee?  you don't say

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v)

In before hoginsanity...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Rome26 on September 26, 2017, 10:01:26 am
Thank god we have a coaching staff that does it the right way. I hope all of these cheaters get the death penalty.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Pistol Pig Maravich on September 26, 2017, 10:02:10 am
Any 5 star recruits out there looking for a new program for fear of sanctions...come on down!!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 10:06:49 am
So why is no one at Louisville being charged....yet?

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In one instance, Gatto and the other defendants reportedly funneled $100,000 to the family of a high school basketball player to convince the player to sign with a "public research university" in Kentucky. According to an undercover agent investigating the case, Gatto told other defendants that the payment was "on the books" at Adidas, but "not on the books for what it's actually for."

The complaint doesn't name the university. Based on details provided, it is likely the University of Louisville, which signed a $160 million sponsorship deal with Adidas in August.

http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hoglady on September 26, 2017, 10:07:22 am
Like anyone who pays attention to college basketball and recruiting - is surprised by any of this.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: mhuff on September 26, 2017, 10:09:20 am
Well it's about time. Wonder how long it will take for other schools in the SEC to get caught. I am talking about recruits we've lost because our Arkansan's made "bidness" decisions. This makes my day because I want all the leeches to burn. Some players are going down with them. Perhaps there will be some decommits.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MakingPlays on September 26, 2017, 10:12:51 am
LOL, I knew Bruce Pearl and his staff were doing some shady stuff to get all these top recruits to want to come play basketball at Auburn. 

This is exactly why the NCAA is a joke, a lot of these programs are out here cheating and nothing is ever done about it.  This sting is a good step in the right direction, however it's interesting to me that none of these blue blood schools are getting linked to anything when we all know they cheat.  There's no way Kentucky lands a #1 class every single year and hasn't shelled out any money.  UNC is another school we know that cheats, and nothing on them either. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Razorod on September 26, 2017, 10:19:16 am
It will be interesting to see what all comes out of this investigation. I'm sure it has cost us recruits.

It does make you appreciate both Richardson and Anderson who have steered clear of much of what goes on in recruiting. I'm not saying they were/are pure as the driven snow, but I am confident they don't wade knee deep in this muck like so many do.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 10:24:54 am
In before hoginsanity...

It was not my intent to paint all referees with one stroke there.  I know several, all upstanding people.  I'm just saying we've all seen a ref or two who seemed to be on another planet as far as calls went.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 10:27:30 am
So why is no one at Louisville being charged....yet?

http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9)

they will
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin McPherson on September 26, 2017, 10:27:38 am
A lot more will shake out of this.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 10:31:43 am
A lot more will shake out of this.

A&M, Stansbury, and MSU are sweating bullets, I'm sure, right now. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Adam Stokes on September 26, 2017, 10:33:52 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/26/justice-department-charges-college-basketball-coaches-with-accepting-bribes-in-corruption-case/?utm_term=.2d9a65565165

Another good article on it. I like how they say "A public school" with such and such enrollment, and a private school with such and such enrollment. A quick Google search showed that the correlating schools are Louisville and Miami. We had better be in the clear, considering Archie and Malik were simply business decisions in not coming here.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 10:46:50 am
I would be shocked if Kentucky isn't caught up in this.  You know Cal is dirty.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hoglady on September 26, 2017, 10:49:05 am
I would be shocked if Kentucky isn't caught up in this.  You know Cal is dirty.

They actually might be since it is an FBI investigation - if it was an NCAA investigation I would say no way.
They never go after the chosen few.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 26, 2017, 10:49:10 am
In before hoginsanity...

 I don't know if this was a typo or not but that would be the perfect name for the guy we know as Hogsanity.  ;D

When I read that I actually burst out laughing. Thanks for my first birthday laugh of the day. You done good Lil Lady Back. Real good.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 10:50:37 am
I would be shocked if Kentucky isn't caught up in this.  You know Cal is dirty.

they caught Adidas. nike & under armour schools have not been caught
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Little Lady Back on September 26, 2017, 10:51:29 am
I don't know if this was a typo or not but that would be the perfect name for the guy we know as Hogsanity.  ;D

When I read that I actually burst out laughing. Thanks for my first birthday laugh of the day. You done good Lil Lady Back. Real good.

You are very welcome and happy birthday Fine! BTW: just a typo  ;)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Letsroll1200 on September 26, 2017, 10:51:48 am
Sometimes this is why we lose 5 star talent. Mississippi State/ Adidas School.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 26, 2017, 10:51:54 am
I would be shocked if Kentucky isn't caught up in this.  You know Cal is dirty.

Are they an Adidas school?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 10:52:57 am
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-officials-arrested-on-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

Another good one it says:

According to court documents, the sports apparel executive listed is James "Jim" Gatto. Gatto's LinkedIn profile identifies him as the director of global sports marketing, for basketball, at Adidas.

Gatto has been accused of getting $100,000 to an "All-American high school basketball player" — so the player would attend a school with an apparel contract with Adidas.



REGGIE PERRY. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Little Lady Back on September 26, 2017, 10:53:24 am
Sometimes this is why we lose 5 star talent. Mississippi State/ Adidas School.

Umm...was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: King Kong on September 26, 2017, 10:55:11 am
they caught Adidas. nike & under armour schools have not been caught

Yet
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 26, 2017, 10:57:38 am
You are very welcome and happy birthday Fine! BTW: just a typo  ;)

 That's right stick to the code and never confess. You could be my partner in crime, ha ha. 

Glad we're a Nike school because we don't need to get caught up in this mess. Pretty sure our coaches are clean though. I hope all of the scumbags go down and level the playing field for the ones who are trying to do right.

 Oh, and thanks for the birthday wishes.  ;D
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 11:00:04 am
Are they an Adidas school?

Here's a list of Adidas schools

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#North_American_colleges_and_universities

One thing I noticed... they don't have many power 5 programs.  The only ones I saw were A&M, MS St., Miami, KU, Louisville and NC State.  They're probably pushing hard in those P5 programs they do have.  A&M and Ms. St. are ffuuhhhddd
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hogwood on September 26, 2017, 11:01:55 am
Sometimes this is why we lose 5 star talent. Mississippi State/ Adidas School.

If MSU is caught up in this then I am 100% certain Mike would never even touch the Perry's again, or any of the kids committed to one of these schools. So I don't see us going after any possible decommits. It's too risky.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 11:03:11 am
they caught Adidas. nike & under armour schools have not been caught

Auburn is an Under Armour school though.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: FineAsSwine on September 26, 2017, 11:03:18 am
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-officials-arrested-on-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

Another good one it says:

According to court documents, the sports apparel executive listed is James "Jim" Gatto. Gatto's LinkedIn profile identifies him as the director of global sports marketing, for basketball, at Adidas.

Gatto has been accused of getting $100,000 to an "All-American high school basketball player" — so the player would attend a school with an apparel contract with Adidas.



REGGIE PERRY.

 Daddy gonna be really sick now.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hog Fan...DOH! on September 26, 2017, 11:04:58 am
You think OM fans might be out for a little blood against MSU?  After what happened with Freeze?   Getcha popcorn ready.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 11:05:11 am
Here's a list of Adidas schools

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#North_American_colleges_and_universities

One thing I noticed... they don't have many power 5 programs.  The only ones I saw were A&M, MS St., Miami, KU, Louisville and NC State.  They're probably pushing hard in those P5 programs they do have.  A&M and Ms. St. are ffuuhhhddd

Indiana
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 11:07:17 am
Here's a list of Adidas schools

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#North_American_colleges_and_universities

One thing I noticed... they don't have many power 5 programs.  The only ones I saw were A&M, MS St., Miami, KU, Louisville and NC State.  They're probably pushing hard in those P5 programs they do have.  A&M and Ms. St. are ffuuhhhddd

Add Indiana and Nebraska and those are the only P5 programs Adidas has.  Tulsa's with them too. 

We have been in a recruiting battle with every single one of those schools and lost.  Lots of them were head scratchters too. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 11:07:24 am
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-officials-arrested-on-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

Another good one it says:

According to court documents, the sports apparel executive listed is James "Jim" Gatto. Gatto's LinkedIn profile identifies him as the director of global sports marketing, for basketball, at Adidas.

Gatto has been accused of getting $100,000 to an "All-American high school basketball player" — so the player would attend a school with an apparel contract with Adidas.



REGGIE PERRY. 
https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/louisville-paid-5-star-100000-ensure-commitment

Wasn't Perry for that. It was Brian Bowen at Louisville. Pitino should be hammered for it but of course he won't be.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Seebs on September 26, 2017, 11:07:45 am
Wait, wait, wait .. so did any of these kids kneel during the national anthem. That is what is most important in sports right now correct?  This can't be newsworthy.

In all seriousness, I see some kids losing eligibility in short order and heading to UAE and Turkey to play.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Karma on September 26, 2017, 11:09:37 am
https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/louisville-paid-5-star-100000-ensure-commitment

Wasn't Perry for that. It was Brian Bowen at Louisville. Pitino should be hammered for it but of course he won't be.
Correct, it's not Perry. We should be careful throwing out specific names that aren't correct.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hogwood on September 26, 2017, 11:11:33 am
Here's a list of Adidas schools

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adidas_sponsorships#North_American_colleges_and_universities

One thing I noticed... they don't have many power 5 programs.  The only ones I saw were A&M, MS St., Miami, KU, Louisville and NC State.  They're probably pushing hard in those P5 programs they do have.  A&M and Ms. St. are ffuuhhhddd

Plus Kansas, Indiana, and Nebraska.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:14:56 am
Auburn is an Under Armour school though.

curious, because gatto is adidas
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 11:15:00 am
press conference

https://www.facebook.com/usaosdny/videos/vb.906121526161994/1441397979301010/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/usaosdny/videos/vb.906121526161994/1441397979301010/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Karma on September 26, 2017, 11:17:50 am
I'm sure Pitino will be just as shocked about this as he was his assistants hiring hookers for recruits on campus. Poor guy can't catch a break.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 11:17:52 am
curious, because gatto is adidas

I think there is a lot more to this than just Adidas
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Three separate complaints have been filed.
That's not a complaint per coach, there were 4 assistant coaches, managers, financial advisors, and representatives of a major international sportswear company.


Here we see a person with Nike connections involved
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Other defendants include Jonathan Brad Augustine, president of nonprofit The League Initiative; Merl Code, the head of Nike’s Elite Youth Basketball League as of 2013; and Christian Dawkins, a former sports agent who was reportedly fired in May for charging $42,000 in Uber rides on an NBA player’s credit card. Gatto and other defendants reportedly used apparent payments to the nonprofits as a way to conceal bribes paid to players and their families. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: outlawhogeywells on September 26, 2017, 11:17:58 am
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-officials-arrested-on-fraud-and-corruption-charges.html

Another good one it says:

According to court documents, the sports apparel executive listed is James "Jim" Gatto. Gatto's LinkedIn profile identifies him as the director of global sports marketing, for basketball, at Adidas.

Gatto has been accused of getting $100,000 to an "All-American high school basketball player" — so the player would attend a school with an apparel contract with Adidas.



REGGIE PERRY. 
Didn't he use to be at Nike
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 11:20:04 am
curious, because gatto is adidas

I checked Arizona is a Nike school. The investigation wasn't just focused on Adidas.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ChicoHog on September 26, 2017, 11:21:12 am
No way auburn would be tied up In any kind of trouble, Bruce pearl is squeaky clean......

Hopefully players names come out as well
As some one who cannot stand Bruce Pearl, by far my least favorite coach in college basketball, I am loving this.  Bring down the hammer!!!!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:22:43 am
all shoes companies do it
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ChicoHog on September 26, 2017, 11:23:52 am
I would be shocked if Kentucky isn't caught up in this.  You know Cal is dirty.
UK and Calipari are so good at recruiting and turning the "one and dones" they don't need to cheat.  I hope they are involved but i just don't see it.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: FBREW000 on September 26, 2017, 11:27:30 am
So why is no one at Louisville being charged....yet?

http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9)

spent on hookers, no money trail...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 11:28:40 am
I see where ESPN says that Merl Code recently left Nike for Adidas. So we don't know where his involvement occured.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 11:31:30 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKqIQJpU8AAMNVb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: chiefhawg on September 26, 2017, 11:33:39 am
Bruce Pearl + Auburn + Scandal = What else is new.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:38:03 am
I see where ESPN says that Merl Code recently left Nike for Adidas. So we don't know where his involvement occured.

he played at Clemson, back in the day

was part of the nike grassroots program. could get real interesting
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 11:38:17 am
Rashan Michel is the referee mentioned earlier. He is a former NCAA and NBA referee.  He founded  Thompson Bespoke Clothing, a custom clothier for athletes.  Apparently this is unrelated to his officiating duties.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: chiefhawg on September 26, 2017, 11:42:42 am
Rick AKA "Tony Soprano" Pitino  + Basketball = Scandal.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 11:49:27 am
Rick AKA "Tony Soprano" Pitino  + Basketball = Scandal.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKp9cvAWsAEumeI.jpg)


Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: 3kgthog on September 26, 2017, 11:56:25 am
Hope we don't end up with anyone caught up in this.

Pretty telling when one agent said at the press conference that they now "know your playbook" and the investigation is ongoing. Just go read some of the tweets from the media. They are getting texts that this is going to get A LOT bigger.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 26, 2017, 11:57:46 am
Hope we don't end up with anyone caught up in this.

Pretty telling when one agent said at the press conference that they now "know your playbook" and the investigation is ongoing. Just go read some of the tweets from the media. They are getting texts that this is going to get A LOT bigger.

if guys flip, it will blow up
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 26, 2017, 11:59:34 am
MA and crew definitely are clean. We don't land the recruits a cheating school would, ie Auburns, UK's, and MSU's of the world. If we are, we suck at it.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 12:00:38 pm
You think OM fans might be out for a little blood against MSU?  After what happened with Freeze?   Getcha popcorn ready.

There are a "bank" of Ole Miss grad lawyers supposedly already pooling together a HUGE diary of recruiting violations across the SEC.  They are saying they will release it upon the announcement of punishment against Ole Miss...  It sounds like a crock, they should just go ahead and release it and fuel the fire!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 12:06:41 pm
Just heard on ESPN radio that 10 schools are involved
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 12:06:47 pm
I think there is a lot more to this than just AdidasThat's not a complaint per coach, there were 4 assistant coaches, managers, financial advisors, and representatives of a major international sportswear company.


Here we see a person with Nike connections involved

Haven't we heard of apartment or housing payments involving nike, north little rock, and a current tOSU player, a way to possibly funnel money..... hmmmm 

Crap, it didn't quote your quote about apartment payments being used to funnel payments to players
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 26, 2017, 12:08:01 pm
UK and Calipari are so good at recruiting and turning the "one and dones" they don't need to cheat.  I hope they are involved but i just don't see it.

Cal has a fall guy in Memphis, isn't his name wes or something?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HogFaninMemphis on September 26, 2017, 12:10:31 pm

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKp9cvAWsAEumeI.jpg)



That's odd. Pitino is an objectively awful person, but it doesn't make much sense that he'd call attention to the peculiarity of his recruitment if he were involved in it.
Honestly, my first reaction to the story was that Adidas was paying assistants, and the assistants were hiding it from the head coaches completely or at least the head coach didn't want to know. Pitino all but said in that quote that something weird was going on. I just can't imagine him saying all that if he knew Bowen's recruitment was especially dirty.
It also makes sense that Adidas would be paying coaches and players for recruits. Nike is the head honcho, and this higher-up at Adidas probably felt this was the best (maybe only?) way to make significant headway in market share.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: holeinthewall on September 26, 2017, 12:13:14 pm
Adidas just went on a big push the last couple years to sign more programs.  ASU is Adidias
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: 311Hog on September 26, 2017, 12:17:17 pm
Adidas just went on a big push the last couple years to sign more programs.  ASU is Adidias


clever new strategy.  Pay the players families, through assistants and underlings of the assistants without the head coaches "knowing" about it.  Just magic they get the recruit amirite.  Because oversight is hard, and running down all these financial leads takes quiet a bit of manpower and time.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: riccoar on September 26, 2017, 12:18:22 pm
Wonder if any heralded recruits out there have family members looking for an IN with a university to establish clients for their agency?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HogFaninMemphis on September 26, 2017, 12:29:12 pm
Cal has a fall guy in Memphis, isn't his name wes or something?
Worldwide Wes is more powerful than Calipari. If William Wesley is dirty, then he could bring down an enormous part of the basketball establishment, from AAU all the way up to the Association.
He became friends with Milt Wagner in the 1980s, made some more friends, made a contact with Cal early on at Memphis, and after Milt Wagner's son DeJuan became a huge recruit, Worldwide Wes went from a guy who knew some people to a guy who now is good friends with LeBron, Cal, Jay-Z, MJ, and everyone else in the world. And nobody knows exactly what he does besides make relationships. He hates Adidas, though, so he definitely won't appear anywhere in this probe.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hogwood on September 26, 2017, 12:29:52 pm

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKp9cvAWsAEumeI.jpg)

That is just hilarious.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 26, 2017, 12:34:17 pm
Just a book mark.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 12:52:55 pm
Good! Now go find the dirt on UK...Including WWW and Cal.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 26, 2017, 12:55:08 pm
a referee?  you don't say

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/u-s-announces-crackdown-on-kickbacks-in-college-basketball-j81mv20v)

Hogsanity will be swooping down on you in 3....2....1....
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: farfromgroovins on September 26, 2017, 12:59:57 pm
Like anyone who pays attention to college basketball and recruiting - is surprised by any of this.

Ain't that the truth. Head coaches and schools will get off without a scratch while the corporate rats and assistants will face fines and jail time. Then back to cheating business as usual.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: TrueBlue on September 26, 2017, 01:05:50 pm
"Among those arrested was James Gatto, director of global sports marketing for Adidas, who was accused of paying high school basketball players or their families for committing to sign with a university sponsored by Adidas. The complaint identifies $250,000 in payments made by Gatto and other co-defendants."

PLEASE NAME NAMES FEDS!

It will make for an interesting season coming up if they do.

You won't have to "wait" for NCAA to pass judgment now that the Feds are involved.....
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 01:16:49 pm
Miss Stank u should be scared about, NOW!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 01:37:43 pm
I'm finding no mention of 10 schools anywhere. I think the guy on ESPN radio was talking as he read and confused 10 people with 10 schools.

Found some interesting tweets from Jason Riley, I tried to link direct to each tweet but I'm doing something wrong

Tweet 1- So FBI didn't want the NCAA to know about the investigation. That speaks volumes.

Tweet 2 - This is in the Federal District of New York, which is where Wall Street fraud cases, like Enron, are prosecuted. They mean business

Tweet 3 - How did this start? Cooperating witness was charged and "had in the past engaged in this kind of conduct" and said he knew of others

Tweet 4- regarding a section where Dawkins is speaking - This is unreal, where a U of L coach says "we gotta be very low key" since U of L is already on probation

https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: outlawhogeywells on September 26, 2017, 01:38:17 pm
Tennessee was an Adidas school for years.  I can remember a couple of recruiting battles we lost with them. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 01:49:51 pm
How did he get involved in this?

Quote
Martin Blazer, a former Pittsburgh financial adviser, who was accused of swindling $2.35 million from clients, was FBI's cooperating witness

https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/912750237713932289 (https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/912750237713932289)

ok, last line in the section answers my question - offered loans and payments to athletes to retain him as their financial advisor or business manager

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKq9fcxW4AADbSN.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKq9fcxW4AADbSN.jpg:large)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: IMABIELEMA on September 26, 2017, 02:08:59 pm
Lots of people commenting in this thread before reading the article or the complaint.  The biggest issue here aren’t the individual coaches...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 02:17:54 pm
Lots of people commenting in this thread before reading the article or the complaint.  The biggest issue here aren’t the individual coaches...

Nah, this is an all of  NCAA basketball problem. It is interesting that it is several well known cheating schools like Auburn, USC, and Louisville  that are caught up in it first
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: poloprince on September 26, 2017, 02:30:03 pm
It's hard for MA to compete in recruiting with the type of money being passed around.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Karma on September 26, 2017, 02:38:33 pm
It's hard for MA to compete in recruiting with the type of money being passed around.
If you presume that Arkansas does not cheat on any significant scale (which I believe is correct), it is nearly impossible to compete at the very highest levels when there is systematic payment of players of tens of thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: mhuff on September 26, 2017, 02:41:09 pm
UK and Calipari are so good at recruiting and turning the "one and dones" they don't need to cheat.  I hope they are involved but i just don't see it.

We shall see. Cal probably wrote the book
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: PurpleHog on September 26, 2017, 02:44:07 pm
"Among those arrested was James Gatto, director of global sports marketing for Adidas, who was accused of paying high school basketball players or their families for committing to sign with a university sponsored by Adidas. The complaint identifies $250,000 in payments made by Gatto and other co-defendants."

PLEASE NAME NAMES FEDS!

It will make for an interesting season coming up if they do.

You won't have to "wait" for NCAA to pass judgment now that the Feds are involved.....

Am I wrong in thinking these players will be ineligible to play in college if any of them have accepted cash payments?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HogFaninMemphis on September 26, 2017, 02:54:24 pm
Am I wrong in thinking these players will be ineligible to play in college if any of them have accepted cash payments?
That's generally how the NCAA has handled these cases, yes, but if there's a case that break open where it's 50 high-profile recruits, who knows? There could either be unprecedented suspensions, firings, and probations, or they could do a sort of blanket amnesty thing for the good of college basketball (i.e., not putting the top 50 programs on probation at the same time).
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 02:57:16 pm
That's generally how the NCAA has handled these cases, yes, but if there's a case that break open where it's 50 high-profile recruits, who knows? There could either be unprecedented suspensions, firings, and probations, or they could do a sort of blanket amnesty thing for the good of college basketball (i.e., not putting the top 50 programs on probation at the same time).

If all of this proves to be true and all the players that were paid are ineligible to play, Arkansas' gonna run the table. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 02:57:20 pm
It's hard for MA to compete in recruiting with the type of money being passed around.

Hopefully, some wont get so upset when we dont get those prized recruits outside of AR...A good relationship is no match for prized recruit that has a family looking at the money they can get. On the take...pimpin, pimpin, pimpin...

But what is happening should be no surprise to some. To me this is just evidence of why it is difficult to recruit in these times.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HogFaninMemphis on September 26, 2017, 02:59:44 pm
If all of this proves to be true and all the players that were paid are ineligible to play, Arkansas' gonna run the table. 
exactly. That would not be good for college basketball. It's kind of how the MLB handled the steroids situation: everyone is on this, and we know that's true; you have two years to get off the stuff or you're suspended.
I am encouraged by the potential of higher, better oversight due to this issue.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Letsroll1200 on September 26, 2017, 03:04:21 pm
Pay the players or allow them to go straight to the NBA out of high school and a lot of the corruption would be out of the game. I think that the Feds did not get their cut of the money and now they are coming down on the basketball coaches. Go after the NCAA and the colleges that enable this type of stuff to happen.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 26, 2017, 03:04:54 pm
It's hard for MA to compete in recruiting with the type of money being passed around.

This began during Nolan's day. I've tried to tell people for years he didn't quit recruiting, he just wasn't going to compromise his principles to get these kids.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 03:06:03 pm
UK and Calipari are so good at recruiting and turning the "one and dones" they don't need to cheat.  I hope they are involved but i just don't see it.

I dont know about that Chico. I think that have become GOOD at what they do. But with all the "tools" they have at there disposal, it does look effortless...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: discombobulationist on September 26, 2017, 03:11:24 pm
Burn MisterFalcon, burn. The fbi has done all the work for the ncaa, hope they bury all these programs and quickly.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 03:13:44 pm
Question for the lawyers and legal minds out there.  Why does the allegation leave out the name of the school but leave no doubt who the school is? 

For example, Auburn is identified as University-1, a public research university in Alabama with enrollment of 28,000... Chuck Person is the associate head basketball coach at University-1...Person was a two-time All American and the all time leading scorer at University-1.

Only a moron can't figure out who University-1 is, so why not say it?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Fan701 on September 26, 2017, 03:16:59 pm
This certainly sheds a whole new light on the question of why we are consistently out-recruited for five-star talent.  I'd long thought maybe MA just wasn't a great recruiter like, say, Bruce Pearl.  Boy, was I naïve!  Our basketball team has paid a price in lost recruits for being clean.  I can't say that I don't relish the payback that's coming to the cheaters.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 03:34:47 pm
That is just hilarious.




http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20826167 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20826167)

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 03:37:58 pm
http://scout.com/college/louisville/Board/The-Yum-103990
If you want a good read check out the Louisville forum. So many of their fans think they are going to get the death penalty. They don't see Pitino surviving the week there. Also a lot of their fans think they deserve to be hammered for this.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 03:39:47 pm
Pay the players or allow them to go straight to the NBA out of high school and a lot of the corruption would be out of the game. I think that the Feds did not get their cut of the money and now they are coming down on the basketball coaches. Go after the NCAA and the colleges that enable this type of stuff to happen.
Allow them to go straight out and it would help to some level. But you are crazy if you think paying athletes a set wage (across the board everywhere) will take away boosters willing to give kids a bit "extra" if they attend their university.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: King Kong on September 26, 2017, 03:41:39 pm
http://scout.com/college/louisville/Board/The-Yum-103990
If you want a good read check out the Louisville forum. So many of their fans think they are going to get the death penalty. They don't see Pitino surviving the week there. Also a lot of their fans think they deserve to be hammered for this.

Yeah, unlike the NCAA the FBI has he power to connect all the dots. Will make it pretty cut and dry for the NCAA when they hand down there penalties
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 03:44:42 pm
Watching ESPN this will get very interesting over the coming months.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 26, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
http://scout.com/college/louisville/Board/The-Yum-103990
If you want a good read check out the Louisville forum. So many of their fans think they are going to get the death penalty. They don't see Pitino surviving the week there. Also a lot of their fans think they deserve to be hammered for this.

Pitino and Jurich should both be gone. 

I don't think death penalty.  Just take their scholarship count down to 5 for a couple of seasons and then give them 2-3 back a year till they get back to 13 in about 2024-25 and ban them from the NCAAT for 4-5 seasons starting this season.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 03:54:43 pm
Reading more into it and you have basically two separate investigations in a sense. You have coaches who are steering their athletes to specific agents and are accepting basically a bounty for getting said athlete to sign with that agent. Then you have a show company that is giving money to coaches/schools to pay a top recruits to come to their sponsored schools in hopes of getting that athlete to sign with their shoe company out of college.

I made the comment about Reggie and the Adidas folks being heavily involved when he went to Italy. This is exactly what I am talking about. Surprised to see it come to light and obviously shocked the FBI was wiretapping people and investigating this.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 26, 2017, 03:56:15 pm
Pitino and Jurich should both be gone. 

I don't think death penalty.  Just take their scholarship count down to 5 for a couple of seasons and then give them 2-3 back a year till they get back to 13 in about 2024-25 and ban them from the NCAAT for 4-5 seasons starting this season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-give-louisville-basketball-death-sentence-bombshell-allegations-prove-correct-181930063.html
Saw this on the Louisville forum Forde is already calling for Pitino and Jurich to be fired and Louisville to get the death penalty.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: chiefhawg on September 26, 2017, 03:57:09 pm
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Louisville has received official notice that it is under FBI investigation, per release.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 26, 2017, 04:00:03 pm
Good thing I don't own any Adidas stock!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 26, 2017, 04:02:14 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-give-louisville-basketball-death-sentence-bombshell-allegations-prove-correct-181930063.html
Saw this on the Louisville forum Forde is already calling for Pitino and Jurich to be fired and Louisville to get the death penalty.

Both should have already been fired if Louisville had not have completely sold out to win.  Part of it is ego and having the pressure of sharing the state's spotlight with UK.  It's why AU cheats.  They hate Forde there too. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 04:02:39 pm
https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

This guy is really good to follow on the FBI investigation.  He's revealing some very explosive information.  Apparently theres some very big news that will come out tomorrow. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 04:35:36 pm
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption

The FBI conducted an elaborate undercover operation, starting in 2015, and managed to keep it a secret. The NCAA wasn't made aware of the investigation until Tuesday morning. Using wiretaps, surveillance video and cooperating witnesses, the FBI was able to document coaches accepting bribes to steer their players toward certain financial advisers and/or business managers. In other cases, high-ranking Adidas employees worked with others to pay prospective student-athletes' families to ensure the player signed with an Adidas-sponsored school and then signed with Adidas once he turned pro, the complaint alleges.

FBI assistant director Bill Sweeney had a warning Tuesday for other coaches who might be involved in similar schemes, saying: "We have your playbook. Our investigation is ongoing. We are conducting additional interviews as we speak." The FBI and U.S. Attorney's office said they have established a hotline for information related to the investigation.

According to the complaint, Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Sood worked together to funnel $100,000 to the player's family in early June, and Dawkins told the others that he did so at the request of a Louisville coach. "Player-10," who is described in the complaint as a top recruit, is believed to be Brian Bowen, a five-star guard/forward who signed with Louisville on June 5. The FBI said telephone records show Gatto spoke directly with the unnamed coach multiple times in the days before the player publicly committed to play for the Cardinals.

The complaint said another high school player was paid to sign with the Cardinals, and Dawkins paid the money by funneling it through Augustine.

The FBI alleged Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Augustine attempted to broker a deal to send another high school player to Miami, an Adidas-sponsored school, for $150,000. According to the complaint, "the payments from [Adidas] to Player-12 were allegedly requested specifically by a coach at [Miami] (Coach-3), who allegedly called Gatto directly and who, according to Dawkins, Code, and Augustine, 'knows everything' and, in particular, 'knows something's gotta happen for' Player-12 to commit to attending University-7."
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 04:37:43 pm
I can't pull in the tweet but Reggie Perry tweeted: Going to Starkvegas Friday!!


Going to get their stories straight in person? 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 26, 2017, 04:38:43 pm
book mark
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 26, 2017, 04:42:04 pm
Fall of the House of Cards: Federal allegations a tipping point for U of L

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36458593/crawford-fall-of-the-house-of-cards-federal-allegations-a-tipping-point-for-u-of-l (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36458593/crawford-fall-of-the-house-of-cards-federal-allegations-a-tipping-point-for-u-of-l)


Think about this. The NCAA announced sanctions for the prostitutes-for-recruits scandal on June 15, 2017. Just a month earlier, if the federal complaint is accurate – and part of the basis for the allegation includes telephone conversations intercepted through a cell phone wiretap warrant – there was a “request of at least one coach from University-6 [and other defendants] . . . to funnel $100,000 (payable in four installments) from Company-1 to the family of Player-10.”

In a conversation with another defendant in the case and an undercover agent, adidas representative Merl Code said that, “you guys are being introduced to . . . how stuff happens with kids and getting into particular schools and so this is kind of one of those instances where we need to step up and help one of our flagship schools, you know, secure a five-star caliber kid . . . and that’s an [Company-1] sponsored school.”
Code went on to explain that it wasn’t adidas funneling money to a player, it was the shoe company “engaging in a monetary relationship with a business manager, and whatever he decides to do with it, that’s up to him and the family.”

If true, these activities are not only unethical and possibly illegal, but also negligent and inexcusably reckless on the part of anyone associated with U of L, given the trouble not just the program, but the university itself, was already in.

And the people involved were well aware of that trouble.

In a meeting in a Las Vegas hotel room on July 27 – a meeting in which video recorders and microphones were placed by federal investigators – a discussion ensued on getting Simmons’ family payment to attend Louisville. Noting that the school already was in trouble with the NCAA, a person identified as being an assistant coach at U of L said, “we gotta be very low key.”

Now, understand, this stuff wasn’t primarily about getting kids to go to certain schools. It was about getting elite players to sign with the right shoe company when they went on to the NBA. But to make the scheme work, these guys needed some coaches at universities to play ball.

If a coach (or two) at U of L was involved in this kind of thing, including, as the federal complaint alleges, “making false certifications to the university,” that’s a tipping point.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 04:58:47 pm
Burn MisterFalcon, burn. The fbi has done all the work for the ncaa, hope they bury all these programs and quickly.

Well that old saying comes to mind in this case  i hope is not true. "You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink." Who knows why? Maybe they are complicit, too.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 05:13:15 pm
ASM Sports Agency and Andy Miller specifically was raided. Took his laptop. Andy has been an agent for a number of hoop players but has signed majority to Adidas deals. Love to see what's on that lap top.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: sickboy on September 26, 2017, 05:20:23 pm
Holy Mary. This is a nuclear bomb, huh?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 05:22:10 pm
ASM Sports Agency and Andy Miller specifically was raided. Took his laptop. Andy has been an agent for a number of hoop players but has signed majority to Adidas deals. Love to see what's on that lap top.

When they start taking you stuff like lap tops, PCs they have some serious dirt especially that hard drive you may have tried to scrub clean of incriminating evidence.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 05:26:55 pm
ASM Sports Agency and Andy Miller specifically was raided. Took his laptop. Andy has been an agent for a number of hoop players but has signed majority to Adidas deals. Love to see what's on that lap top.

(https://cindydeanusa.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/img_1587.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 26, 2017, 05:27:33 pm
Pitino will be fired tomorrow morning. I should say it will be announced. Wouldn't be surprised if he's already been told.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 05:29:53 pm
Good thing I don't own any Adidas stock!

LOL!! This how their strategist thought to keep up with that other over priced, cheating shoe company, NIKE!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 26, 2017, 05:30:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/HOYQkUw.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 05:31:30 pm
Holy Mary. This is a nuclear bomb, huh?

MOAB?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 05:33:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/HOYQkUw.jpg)

Now no how Auburn how got its players since Pearlie came back on the scene...Not that he did anything spectacular with them.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 26, 2017, 05:50:54 pm
@DarrenHeitner
Own law firm @HEITNERLEGAL

Sources: Basketball agency ASM Sports was raided today. FBI had warrant, took Andy Miller's computer.

His agency has guys who played for some of the biggest coaches in college basketball Duke, Villanova, North Carolina, Kentucky... ....



Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 05:55:39 pm
@DarrenHeitner
Own law firm @HEITNERLEGAL

Sources: Basketball agency ASM Sports was raided today. FBI had warrant, took Andy Miller's computer.

His agency has guys who played for some of the biggest coaches in college basketball Duke, Villanova, North Carolina, Kentucky... ....

My mouth is literally watering.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: parallaxpig on September 26, 2017, 06:08:53 pm
Pitino and Jurich should both be gone. 

I don't think death penalty.  Just take their scholarship count down to 5 for a couple of seasons and then give them 2-3 back a year till they get back to 13 in about 2024-25 and ban them from the NCAAT for 4-5 seasons starting this season.

There are some familiar names on here with a history of cheating. Maybe death penalty in order to actually begin to clean college sports up.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 26, 2017, 06:09:43 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKr1KvJWsAMwTKj.jpg:large)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hoglady on September 26, 2017, 06:26:03 pm
Just wait til the ones arrested start talking to help save their hide.
The FBI is no joke - unlike the NCAA.
This will spread far and wide before it's finished.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 26, 2017, 06:46:42 pm
There are some familiar names on here with a history of cheating. Maybe death penalty in order to actually begin to clean college sports up.

Maybe so.  All of these athletic programs have had major cheating scandals.   Some football but still.  Wish while they were at it go back and put the hammer to Penn St because Joe Pa knew. College sports badly needs to be put into perspective.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: chiefhawg on September 26, 2017, 06:52:32 pm
I can't pull in the tweet but Reggie Perry tweeted: Going to Starkvegas Friday!!


Going to get their stories straight in person? 
When Perry committed to MsState there was a tweet with a money bags emoji. It was re tweeted by TJ Cleveland. I was like wow something must have really upset TJ.  Maybe, just maybe I now know what it was.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 26, 2017, 06:53:56 pm
Me reading about this all day:
(https://i.imgur.com/iTGivE5.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 07:05:18 pm
Me reading about this all day:
(https://i.imgur.com/iTGivE5.jpg)

Same
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 26, 2017, 07:05:41 pm
When Perry committed to MsState there was a tweet with a money bags emoji. It was re tweeted by TJ Cleveland. I was like wow something must have really upset TJ.  Maybe, just maybe I now know what it was.

We're both tweets deleted?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: sickboy on September 26, 2017, 07:38:59 pm
Me reading about this all day:
(https://i.imgur.com/iTGivE5.jpg)

Lol. +1
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: RealHog on September 26, 2017, 07:40:54 pm
When Perry committed to MsState there was a tweet with a money bags emoji. It was re tweeted by TJ Cleveland. I was like wow something must have really upset TJ.  Maybe, just maybe I now know what it was.

Yup, this 100%. Feel bad for this staff with so many cheaters out there. It's hard to recruit against Adidas bags of cash.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: TrueBlue on September 26, 2017, 07:47:19 pm
Miami is now implicated. Now THERE is a surprise. They should have nailed Miami with the Shapiro mess. Some schools are just CHEATS and they know no other way to try and win. 

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/university-of-miami-basketball-involved-in-ncaa-adidas-corruption-probe-9701650

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: bulldog04 on September 26, 2017, 07:51:17 pm
I'm sure something like this happened with Monk.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hoglady on September 26, 2017, 07:57:22 pm
Yup, this 100%. Feel bad for this staff with so many cheaters out there. It's hard to recruit against Adidas bags of cash.

Don't kid yourself - I'm sure there are plenty of bags of Nike and Under Armor cash, too.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 26, 2017, 08:12:22 pm
Don't kid yourself - I'm sure there are plenty of bags of Nike and Under Armor cash, too.

Arizona is a Nike school and they had a coach arrested today. I would be surprised if it ends up being limited to one or a couple of sports apparel companies.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: East TN HAWG on September 26, 2017, 08:15:45 pm
Don't kid yourself - I'm sure there are plenty of bags of Nike and Under Armor cash, too.

I agree.  The guy did not leave Nike one day, and enter the game with Addias without knowing "the rules.". Also, these shoe companies had to know what was happening.  How does someone funnel 100k to kid, and the company not account for it?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 26, 2017, 08:17:57 pm
I'm sure something like this happened with Monk.
C'mon, let's not slander these young men!
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/625/812/812625.jpg)
Oh wait nevermind  ;)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 08:19:59 pm
 
MOAB?

Mother Of All Bombs  or Massive Ordinance Air Bomb - the most powerful non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hobhog on September 26, 2017, 09:09:21 pm
NCAA reaction will be interesting. FBI just laying everything in their laps. People are going to jail. AAU will be scrutinized and I think possibly destroyed. This could have repercussions for years....
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 26, 2017, 09:10:46 pm

Mother Of All Bombs  or Massive Ordinance Air Bomb - the most powerful non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal
No Google, what's a Pave Pat Blue? Lol
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 26, 2017, 09:11:38 pm
NCAA reaction will be interesting. FBI just laying everything in their laps. People are going to jail. AAU will be scrutinized and I think possibly destroyed. This could have repercussions for years....
It's going to be amazing. I have much more faith in the FBI to burn ish down than the NCAA
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: wachhog on September 26, 2017, 09:34:09 pm
Don't kid yourself - I'm sure there are plenty of bags of Nike and Under Armor cash, too.
This.^^^
When a hundred grand or more is  in play, you know those one and donee are not flocking  to Kentucky 'cause Cal is so handsome.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 26, 2017, 10:25:56 pm
No Google, what's a Pave Pat Blue? Lol
That one I had to google.   Ok, Massive Ordinance Aerial Blast not multiple ordinance aerial bomb
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: grayhawg on September 26, 2017, 10:37:31 pm
Maybe another school just seen this.

https://www.local10.com/sports/college-basketball/hurricanes-basketball/report-hurricanes-basketball-program-involved-in-federal-corruption-case

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hogs49ers on September 27, 2017, 12:21:27 am
What is sickening to me in that Coach Cal already did enough of this exact type of cheating early on at Kentucky and got away with it, and got to the point where he does not need to do it anymore and take that risk.  Now the program is built up, and the top players will go there without getting paid or "incentives" bc they think the prospect of getting to the NBA is incentive enough (annoying that they actually think that UK and Coach Cal have anything to do with them getting to the NBA).  Hopefully some of these people that roll over, can think back 5-10 years ago and roll over on Kentucky because there is absolutely 0% chance that they have been clean all this time.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: farfromgroovins on September 27, 2017, 12:33:39 am
@DarrenHeitner
Own law firm @HEITNERLEGAL

Sources: Basketball agency ASM Sports was raided today. FBI had warrant, took Andy Miller's computer.

His agency has guys who played for some of the biggest coaches in college basketball Duke, Villanova, North Carolina, Kentucky... ....

Welcome to the 2018 NCAA Final Four where we have newcomers;
North Carolina.......Charlotte....the 49ers....not the Tar Heels
And no surprise a Kentucky team.....the Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky
The Arizona...cough....cough....State Sun Devils
And last but definitely not least, from Miami, FL.....The one....the only....Florida International University Golden Panters

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on September 27, 2017, 12:55:48 am
Welcome to the 2018 NCAA Final Four where we have newcomers;
North Carolina.......Charlotte....the 49ers....not the Tar Heels
And no surprise a Kentucky team.....the Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky
The Arizona...cough....cough....State Sun Devils
And last but definitely not least, from Miami, FL.....The one....the only....Florida International University Golden Panters

Haha Yea but WKU is probably dirty.  Their headcoach is stansbury and they pulled in a 5* recently.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 12:57:03 am
The NCAA has no real power.
They can't make anyone talk. They have no subpoena power, and no ability to put someone under oath. Much less wiretap someone.
It has to be somewhat embarrassing to them to see the FBI do their investigating for them, but to be fair they don't have the tools at their disposal as the Feds.

Even after saying all that, this case blew open the same way they all do: a disgruntled or cornered witness starts talking. Someone wanting to make a deal about an unrelated case opened the eyes of the FBI into basketball and fraud. Then they can use their coercive tools to dig deeper. But it's basically the same way the NCAA can make a case, if someone with a grudge wants to squeal. Like, Miami football: a disgruntled former top booster Nevin Shapiro feels like he's being ostracized by the school so he gets mad and starts squealing. That's what brought Miami down.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:00:36 am
College basketball is probably even dirtier than college football, because one star player can greatly improve a team. Only five can play at a time.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:03:18 am
Pitino's statement on being surprised by these allegations reminds me of the Officer Renault in Casablanca: "I'm shocked there is gambling going on at this establishment."

Let's see, the guy who bangs a blonde on a restaurant table and then offers to pay for an abortion.
The guy whose program is already on probation for hiring strippers

He used to be respected widely, now he's just a sleazeball. It's a long fall from grace. No one believes him anymore.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:05:50 am
Speaking of Kentucky (and Monk) I'd love to see them brought down as much as anyone, but I would also tread lightly when talking about the Monk case. While I generally believe the UA coaches are honest, I also still believe and have always said I thought the Monks' move to Bentonville from way over in Lepanto was dubious at best. Somebody was doing something for them. It just never made any sense to me. I always suspected something improper was going on.

Let those sleeping dogs lie.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:11:18 am
Why does Auburn always seem to be in the middle of sleazy recruiting stories?

It reminds me of the 'debates' from 2010 when Oxbaker and a few other Auburn faithful would vehemently defend Aubie and Scam Newton, when everyone with a brain knew the Newton clan had been bought and paid. 'But...but...it was the Miss St asst coach who was caught making the offer...'. Yea, they turned down Miss St's offer and chose to play for free at Auburn. ha ha ha ha ha

Auburn and Texas A&M: two of the historically dirtiest programs in NCAA history. I have a theory on that. Any place where you have a 'big brother' there is much more pressure to keep up with the Joneses. Auburn: big brother Alabama. Texas A&M: big brother Texas. A&M has been clean lately but historically not clean.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:16:25 am
If the NCAA doesn't hit UNC with significant punishments, then they may as well disband and let others with real power like the Feds do all the dirty work.

There was clear academic fraud (fake classes) at UNC. No one even disputes that. The fact that this case has dragged on for so long makes one wonder if they're almost looking for ways to not hit UNC very hard.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 27, 2017, 01:18:08 am

Mother Of All Bombs  or Massive Ordinance Air Bomb - the most powerful non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal

Yep and the FBI dropped one today...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:19:17 am
Pitino and Jurich should both be gone. 

I don't think death penalty.  Just take their scholarship count down to 5 for a couple of seasons and then give them 2-3 back a year till they get back to 13 in about 2024-25 and ban them from the NCAAT for 4-5 seasons starting this season.
Hitting a school with a death penalty in college basketball would = banning NCAA play for five seasons.
In college hoops, especially at a school like Louisville, not being able to play in the NCAAs for a while would be devastating.
The NCAA Tournament is everything in college basketball.
Making March Madness = Relevance.
No March Madness = Irrelevant
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 01:38:24 am
If you presume that Arkansas does not cheat on any significant scale (which I believe is correct), it is nearly impossible to compete at the very highest levels when there is systematic payment of players of tens of thousands of dollars.
I like the choice of words "significant scale"

Arkansas has had its share of spats with the NCAA:
Ted Harrod summer 'jobs'
Kim Ferritor writing papers for basketball players
Springdale CC summer 'jobs' for football and basketball players
Track assistant busted for giving stuff to Tyson Gay

I could go on.

I think there are $100 handshakes and sundry things that would technically be considered improper going on pretty much everywhere.
But I think one can say, even considering we're all Hog homers, that the UA generally has never been caught in the shadiest pay-for-play underbelly of college sports. The real serious, Scam Newton type recruiting stories.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 27, 2017, 05:22:00 am
I like the choice of words "significant scale"

Arkansas has had its share of spats with the NCAA:
Ted Harrod summer 'jobs'
Kim Ferritor writing papers for basketball players
Springdale CC summer 'jobs' for football and basketball players
Track assistant busted for giving stuff to Tyson Gay

I could go on.

I think there are $100 handshakes and sundry things that would technically be considered improper going on pretty much everywhere.
But I think one can say, even considering we're all Hog homers, that the UA generally has never been caught in the shadiest pay-for-play underbelly of college sports. The real serious, Scam Newton type recruiting stories.

Peanuts! Compared the latest news...None of the examples given involved bribery. If taking care of your own is improper, lets have at it then...
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 27, 2017, 06:40:57 am
There are some familiar names on here with a history of cheating. Maybe death penalty in order to actually begin to clean college sports up.

There was a death penalty in football. It didn't clean up that sport. Cheaters gonna cheat. The way to clean it up IMHO is to NOT allow college coaches to recruit anywhere expect on high school campuses during school time or during the high school games only. ALL other recruiting and summer league/games off limits and severe penalties if caught. Also NO college can receive any equipment, uniforms or have contract with a specific company that provides them free. Make them buy everything. Also NO coach is allowed to have a contract that pays them and requires players to use their shoe, uniform or apparel from that company.  All schools must provide any school adorned apparel/uniform related to their sport for free to players without any strings attached.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: theFlyingHog on September 27, 2017, 06:51:33 am
There was a death penalty in football. It didn't clean up that sport. Cheaters gonna cheat. The way to clean it up IMHO is to NOT allow college coaches to recruit anywhere expect on high school campuses during school time or during the high school games only. ALL other recruiting and summer league/games off limits and severe penalties if caught. Also NO college can receive any equipment, uniforms or have contract with a specific company that provides them free. Make them buy everything. Also NO coach is allowed to have a contract that pays them and requires players to use their shoe, uniform or apparel from that company.  All schools must provide any school adorned apparel/uniform related to their sport for free to players without any strings attached.
I agree. If you really want to clean it up then there has to be drastic changes, probably a good bit deeper than even this. In my naievity, I am shocked a huge company like Adidas would be doing things like this. Just goes to show that the money aspect of college sports is getting out of hand
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 27, 2017, 07:53:17 am
Why does Auburn always seem to be in the middle of sleazy recruiting stories?

It reminds me of the 'debates' from 2010 when Oxbaker and a few other Auburn faithful would vehemently defend Aubie and Scam Newton, when everyone with a brain knew the Newton clan had been bought and paid. 'But...but...it was the Miss St asst coach who was caught making the offer...'. Yea, they turned down Miss St's offer and chose to play for free at Auburn. ha ha ha ha ha

Auburn and Texas A&M: two of the historically dirtiest programs in NCAA history. I have a theory on that. Any place where you have a 'big brother' there is much more pressure to keep up with the Joneses. Auburn: big brother Alabama. Texas A&M: big brother Texas. A&M has been clean lately but historically not clean.

The Leo Lewis. Was supposedly has info regarding A&M and a player supposedly told by A&M they will double any other offer made to the recruit. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 27, 2017, 08:13:30 am
Hitting a school with a death penalty in college basketball would = banning NCAA play for five seasons.
In college hoops, especially at a school like Louisville, not being able to play in the NCAAs for a while would be devastating.
The NCAA Tournament is everything in college basketball.
Making March Madness = Relevance.
No March Madness = Irrelevant

I agree.  It is why i suggested punishment nearly akin to a death penalty but still allowing them to put a product out.   Severely cripple them for a decade or more. 

I also agree with you on UNC. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 27, 2017, 08:31:16 am
Speaking of Kentucky (and Monk) I'd love to see them brought down as much as anyone, but I would also tread lightly when talking about the Monk case. While I generally believe the UA coaches are honest, I also still believe and have always said I thought the Monks' move to Bentonville from way over in Lepanto was dubious at best. Somebody was doing something for them. It just never made any sense to me. I always suspected something improper was going on.

Let those sleeping dogs lie.
Monk's move had more to do with the Bentonville schools than the U of A and I can guarantee you that.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 27, 2017, 09:35:38 am
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/913040670218170368
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/913046846867636230

Lots of reports out there that Rick Pitino is expected to be fired shortly.  Tom Jurich may be out too.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: PonderinHog on September 27, 2017, 09:37:28 am

clever new strategy.  Pay the players families, through assistants and underlings of the assistants without the head coaches "knowing" about it.  Just magic they get the recruit amirite.  Because oversight is hard, and running down all these financial leads takes quiet a bit of manpower and time.
It's called plausible deniability...

(http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/nz2lau/picture56899163/alternates/FREE_640/Cam)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 27, 2017, 10:55:37 am
1 pm press conference at Lousiville.  Pitino and Jurich will not be present. Firing expected.  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 27, 2017, 11:09:22 am
Adidas had hired Jurich's daughter before $160 million deal with Louisville.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464932/adidas-hired-tom-jurichs-daughter-months-before-160-million-deal-with-university-of-louisville (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464932/adidas-hired-tom-jurichs-daughter-months-before-160-million-deal-with-university-of-louisville)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: jjdlc on September 27, 2017, 11:12:04 am
Going to be interesting to watch recruiting for the next few years.  With the FBI involved some of the money being handed around will dry up till this blows over.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 27, 2017, 11:12:16 am
Ok, so Pitino might hold on for 10 more days.
Jurich for 30 days

Unless they agreed to resign seeing how they will probably be fired.

Quote
If the University of Louisville wants to fire men’s basketball coach Rick Pitino, it must first give Pitino at least 10 days’ written notice of its reasons for doing so and afford Pitino an opportunity to “present evidence,” according to Pitino’s contract running through 2026.

And only the board of the U of L Athletics Association – or a committee of that board – can make the decision, according to the contract.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464682/university-of-louisville-would-have-give-pitino-notice-chance-to-present-evidence-before-firing (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464682/university-of-louisville-would-have-give-pitino-notice-chance-to-present-evidence-before-firing)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Cambridge Hog on September 27, 2017, 11:13:49 am
How incompetent does the NCAA look as a result of this?

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 27, 2017, 11:16:38 am
How incompetent does the NCAA look as a result of this?

We've known they were majorly incompetent.  Media just didn't want to talk about it. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: 311Hog on September 27, 2017, 11:18:05 am
Adidas had hired Jurich's daughter before $160 million deal with Louisville.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464932/adidas-hired-tom-jurichs-daughter-months-before-160-million-deal-with-university-of-louisville (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464932/adidas-hired-tom-jurichs-daughter-months-before-160-million-deal-with-university-of-louisville)

so much corruption it just messes you up !
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 27, 2017, 11:18:50 am
Auburn to offer refunds for basketball season tickets

AUBURN, Alabama — Auburn will soon offer full refunds for season-ticket holders if they wish to return their men's basketball tickets to the athletics department. An official announcement is expected today, according to the Auburn ticket office. The news comes in the wake of associate head coach Chuck Person's arrest Tuesday on federal charges of bribery and corruption as a result of a of a joint investigation by the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office into the criminal influence of money on NCAA coaches and student-athletes. Auburn announced Monday it had sold out season tickets for a fourth straight season under coach Bruce Pearl. The assistant coach, who Auburn suspended shortly after being arrested, was ordered to appear in the Southern New York district court on Oct. 10 at 9 a.m. to answer to the pending charges after waiving a preliminary hearing. The assistant coach’s initial court appearance came before Judge Wallace Capel, Jr.

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Auburn-to-offer-refunds-for-basketball-season-tickets-in-wake-of-108067742
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Cambridge Hog on September 27, 2017, 11:20:22 am
How funny would it be if they were found complicit with this behavior?

Maybe this makes them take a real stance against the cheating. Ole Miss prob wondering if the hammer just got bigger.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 27, 2017, 11:20:32 am
How incompetent does the NCAA look as a result of this?

Corrupt.

They aren't incompetent.

I wonder about aau guys like Crawford now. Just how dirty were guys like this?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on September 27, 2017, 11:50:17 am
What is sickening to me in that Coach Cal already did enough of this exact type of cheating early on at Kentucky and got away with it, and got to the point where he does not need to do it anymore and take that risk.  Now the program is built up, and the top players will go there without getting paid or "incentives" bc they think the prospect of getting to the NBA is incentive enough (annoying that they actually think that UK and Coach Cal have anything to do with them getting to the NBA).  Hopefully some of these people that roll over, can think back 5-10 years ago and roll over on Kentucky because there is absolutely 0% chance that they have been clean all this time.
LMFAO, damn that's nieve.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on September 27, 2017, 11:50:34 am
Ok, so Pitino might hold on for 10 more days.
Jurich for 30 days

Unless they agreed to resign seeing how they will probably be fired.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464682/university-of-louisville-would-have-give-pitino-notice-chance-to-present-evidence-before-firing (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36464682/university-of-louisville-would-have-give-pitino-notice-chance-to-present-evidence-before-firing)
NOPE
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HamIAm on September 27, 2017, 11:53:33 am
NOPE

Nope to what? 

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36465645/source-pitino-jurich-placed-on-leave-after-meetings-with-u-of-l-interim-president (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36465645/source-pitino-jurich-placed-on-leave-after-meetings-with-u-of-l-interim-president)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on September 27, 2017, 12:02:23 pm
Nope to what? 

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36465645/source-pitino-jurich-placed-on-leave-after-meetings-with-u-of-l-interim-president (http://www.wdrb.com/story/36465645/source-pitino-jurich-placed-on-leave-after-meetings-with-u-of-l-interim-president)
they are fired
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 27, 2017, 12:58:59 pm
Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Paul on September 27, 2017, 01:07:35 pm
Ricky P:   https://youtu.be/HMIyDf3gBoY
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: rhog1 on September 27, 2017, 01:51:40 pm
https://twitter.com/DarrenHeitner/status/913095940134903815
Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation

Looks like the scandal is starting to reach Nike now.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MountieDawg on September 27, 2017, 01:56:41 pm
What is sickening to me in that Coach Cal already did enough of this exact type of cheating early on at Kentucky and got away with it, and got to the point where he does not need to do it anymore and take that risk.  Now the program is built up, and the top players will go there without getting paid or "incentives" bc they think the prospect of getting to the NBA is incentive enough (annoying that they actually think that UK and Coach Cal have anything to do with them getting to the NBA).  Hopefully some of these people that roll over, can think back 5-10 years ago and roll over on Kentucky because there is absolutely 0% chance that they have been clean all this time.

Who did Coach Cal pay in his first years at Kentucky, I have never seen an article on that?  This is the FBI and not the NCAA, they can require people to testify.  If Cal comes out clean, maybe everyone can stop calling him a cheater.  You know the FBI wants the biggest fish!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Kevin on September 27, 2017, 01:58:20 pm
wonder when Miami, will do something with their staff.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 27, 2017, 02:13:28 pm
I like the choice of words "significant scale"

Arkansas has had its share of spats with the NCAA:
Ted Harrod summer 'jobs'
Kim Ferritor writing papers for basketball players
Springdale CC summer 'jobs' for football and basketball players
Track assistant busted for giving stuff to Tyson Gay

I could go on.

I think there are $100 handshakes and sundry things that would technically be considered improper going on pretty much everywhere.
But I think one can say, even considering we're all Hog homers, that the UA generally has never been caught in the shadiest pay-for-play underbelly of college sports. The real serious, Scam Newton type recruiting stories.

Ferritor's daughter didn't write papers for players. She saw that Pate's paper was so bad it was going to get an f that she corrected so much of it that it was considered a different paper when she finished it. There were no other "papers". If there had been it would be known because that instance was the result of a administrative enema given at the hands of the ncaa looking for other things.

But even that isn't the same subject matter as recruiting violations, not just smaller in scale

The fbi sting has to do with inducing players by use of present and future monetary gains to choose your program over other opportunities offered by other programs, the vast majority of which are not paying RECRUITS. You only have to look at our results to check the veracity of such a claim.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 27, 2017, 02:28:22 pm
Who did Coach Cal pay in his first years at Kentucky, I have never seen an article on that?  This is the FBI and not the NCAA, they can require people to testify.  If Cal comes out clean, maybe everyone can stop calling him a cheater.  You know the FBI wants the biggest fish!

Shut up

It is out there now. Top players are not turning down sums in excess of $100k to play at Kentucky! Lol

Chris Mills made Kentucky pay 30 years ago. But you have to believe that kids and their families are turning down these sums for the mere honor of playing for Kentucky now?

Especially since you have previously claimed that kids choose to play for Cal because of the hope it will make them more money as a pro. Now you want to claim that they are turning down REAL money NOW for the opportunity to maybe make more money later.

Your logic is akin to claiming Jimmie Hoffa lives because no one can find his body.

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MountieDawg on September 27, 2017, 02:32:03 pm
Shut up

It is out there now. Top players are not turning down sums in excess of $100k to play at Kentucky! Lol

Chris Mills made Kentucky pay 30 years ago. But you have to believe that kids and their families are turning down these sums for the mere honor of playing for Kentucky now?

Especially since you have previously claimed that kids choose to play for Cal because of the hope it will make them more money as a pro. Now you want to claim that they are turning down REAL money NOW for the opportunity to maybe make more money later.

Your logic is akin to claiming Jimmie Hoffa lives because no one can find his body.


You are correct on Chris Mills getting $1,000 when Eddie Sutton was the coach... Seems like he coached a couple other places too.  It was said Cal did this cheating in his early years at Kentucky... He didnt mention Eddie Sutton.   So if Cal had to cheat with the Top class then did Coach K have to cheat???

Heck gets dont just want to play there... Here they are going nuts just to get in line to camp out for Big Blue Madness tickets.  https://twitter.com/KentuckyMBB/status/912984558986985472?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=1033549f6a4a43018f8bdea5a06c342a&uid=40300984&nid=244+276893704
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 27, 2017, 02:51:40 pm
Monk's move had more to do with the Bentonville schools than the U of A and I can guarantee you that.


I gotta admit. IF I lived in Lepanto I'd move the first chance I get.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 27, 2017, 04:28:36 pm
From CollegeHoopNews:

From a source. Add South Carolina and Miami to the list of teams to be hit with charges. #NCAA
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Razorod on September 27, 2017, 04:32:54 pm
From CollegeHoopNews:

From a source. Add South Carolina and Miami to the list of teams to be hit with charges. #NCAA
Well, Lamont Evans was an assistant for Frank Martin before he went to Ok State.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: GoshenHog on September 27, 2017, 04:56:32 pm
If Cal comes out clean, maybe everyone can stop calling him a cheater.

I'll stop calling him a cheater when he gets his vacated Final Fours back.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HenduHog on September 27, 2017, 05:40:29 pm
They keep talking about assistants taking the fall. Pearl didn't know what his assistant was doing?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 27, 2017, 06:07:49 pm
You are correct on Chris Mills getting $1,000 when Eddie Sutton was the coach... Seems like he coached a couple other places too.  It was said Cal did this cheating in his early years at Kentucky... He didnt mention Eddie Sutton.   So if Cal had to cheat with the Top class then did Coach K have to cheat???

Heck gets dont just want to play there... Here they are going nuts just to get in line to camp out for Big Blue Madness tickets.  https://twitter.com/KentuckyMBB/status/912984558986985472?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=1033549f6a4a43018f8bdea5a06c342a&uid=40300984&nid=244+276893704

I don't eat word salad. Can someone please translate?
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: PonderinHog on September 27, 2017, 06:19:40 pm
I don't eat word salad. Can someone please translate?
Kentucky cheats and always has.  (didn't read, btw)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 27, 2017, 07:24:54 pm
Ferritor's daughter didn't write papers for players. She saw that Pate's paper was so bad it was going to get an f that she corrected so much of it that it was considered a different paper when she finished it. There were no other "papers". If there had been it would be known because that instance was the result of a administrative enema given at the hands of the ncaa looking for other things.

But even that isn't the same subject matter as recruiting violations, not just smaller in scale

The fbi sting has to do with inducing players by use of present and future monetary gains to choose your program over other opportunities offered by other programs, the vast majority of which are not paying RECRUITS. You only have to look at our results to check the veracity of such a claim.
Splitting hairs.
Does it really matter if she was writing papers, or correcting papers?
Whatever she was doing, she was the CHANCELLOR'S daughter...and you gotta admit that was a horrible look.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hogs49ers on September 27, 2017, 09:00:52 pm
I am loving this, hilarious post I just read from an Arizona fan:

"We Arizona fans know there is no rock bottom. When you think it can't get any worse. When there is no way your team can blow a lead THAT big. Or have a team with THAT MUCH talent lose, it can.

Craziest part of yesterday was that at midnight, we found out Rawle Alkins broke his @#$#@$ foot yesterday. At Arizona, the bottom is actually below the Grand Canyon."

Another Arizona fan said: 

"Welcome Alabama and Miami to the club!"

Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: navyhog24 on September 27, 2017, 09:54:37 pm
(http://woopig.net/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88201.0;attach=92851)
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 27, 2017, 10:27:55 pm
Splitting hairs.
Does it really matter if she was writing papers, or correcting papers?
Whatever she was doing, she was the CHANCELLOR'S daughter...and you gotta admit that was a horrible look.

It was a singular act of an individual, not a way of regular business.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 27, 2017, 11:06:36 pm
i have to bookmark this.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Ironhawg on September 27, 2017, 11:19:05 pm
I sure would like to see some real changes to college sports as a result of this mess, the NCAA particularly.  Personally I'd like to see any schools involved in this mess kicked out of their conferences and turned into instant independents.  I'd like to see the NCAA revamped and given subpoena power and real teeth to their enforcement actions.  I'd like to see somebody overseeing the NCAA so when they don't take action (North Carolina) they (NCAA) get a swift kick in the rear.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Adam Stokes on September 28, 2017, 12:07:58 am
Not trying to defend the way the NCAA handles things, as we know they have their issues, but it probably sure helps when you can wiretap and seize laptops. I always wondered why the never used a couple 5-star plants to see who the highest bidders were.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: LRHawg on September 28, 2017, 12:25:37 am
The NCAA could have stopped all this along time ago. In my opinion they're aware and have looked the other way to keep the money flowing. I hope the FBI brings the whole damn thing crashing down.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: hoglady on September 28, 2017, 12:38:49 am
Not trying to defend the way the NCAA handles things, as we know they have their issues, but it probably sure helps when you can wiretap and seize laptops. I always wondered why the never used a couple 5-star plants to see who the highest bidders were.

Because the NCAA never has been interested in bringing down the Big Boys - not really.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 28, 2017, 12:44:17 am
The NCAA could have stopped all this along time ago. In my opinion they're aware and have looked the other way to keep the money flowing. I hope the FBI brings the whole damn thing crashing down.

I agree. I think they are/were complicit as well...I dont think the FBI  has any other choice but to lower the boom...

Pitino and Emmerts response to all this is BS.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 28, 2017, 04:39:22 am
I agree. I think they are/were complicit as well...I dont think the FBI  has any other choice but to lower the boom...

Pitino and Emmerts response to all this is BS.

Emmert is as much of the problem as anything.  I've said it 100 times, every where that guy has gone has had corruption.  He's the guy who fails at every stop of his career but keeps getting better chances.  He's known what's going on, he's had ample time to clean it up, but instead we've only watch the "the rich get richer" under him.  He's completely botched the following; auburn/newton, USC/bush, Miami/Shapiro, unc/fake classes, Louisville/brothel, and those are just the HUGE stories.  Guy is a joke and I've said it on this forum no less than 15 times.  There are some good articles at his failure at every stop, lsu UCOnn etc. 
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: onebadrubi on September 28, 2017, 04:40:52 am
I read an article yesterday that was interesting.  Congress in 2002 tried to pass a law that allowed for criminal punishment and legal powers on collegiate/NCAA infractions.  The NCAA fought it and won, they didn't want it.  That screams they knew of their corruption
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: MrKnowItAll on September 28, 2017, 10:12:41 am
CBS News: Pitino is Coach-2 in FBI court documents

https://247sports.com/Bolt/CBS-News-Pitino-is-Coach-2-in-FBI-court-documents-108112302 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/CBS-News-Pitino-is-Coach-2-in-FBI-court-documents-108112302)



“Rick Pitino hasn’t been charged with any crimes,” Jacobson said, “but CBS News has learned he is the man referred to in documents as Coach-2, someone who may have had a role in providing payments to a highly prized recruit’s family.”

“Coach-2” is one of two coaches from “University-6” named in the case against Adidas executive James Gatto. “University-6” has been identified as Louisville, and the school is discussed in paying a top recruit, identified as 2017 247Sports five-star Brian “Tugs” Bowen, $100,000. Bowen signed with, and has enrolled at, Louisville.

At one point, according to the case, AAU coach Brad Augustine stated that Adidas would likely “fund at least a portion of the future payments” to a player because “no one swings a bigger [expletive] than [Coach-2]” at Adidas. He went on to add that “all [Coach-2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they’re taking care of us.”

Later, Christian Dawkins said “he had spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for [Bowen’s] family and informed Coach-2 that ‘I need you to call Jim Gatto, [the defendant,] who’s the head of everything’ at the [Adidas] basketball program.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: forrest city joe on September 28, 2017, 10:23:44 am
Because the NCAA never has been interested in bringing down the Big Boys - not really.

Right on the money.BINGO!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: azhog10 on September 28, 2017, 10:25:13 am
CBS News: Pitino is Coach-2 in FBI court documents

https://247sports.com/Bolt/CBS-News-Pitino-is-Coach-2-in-FBI-court-documents-108112302 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/CBS-News-Pitino-is-Coach-2-in-FBI-court-documents-108112302)



“Rick Pitino hasn’t been charged with any crimes,” Jacobson said, “but CBS News has learned he is the man referred to in documents as Coach-2, someone who may have had a role in providing payments to a highly prized recruit’s family.”

“Coach-2” is one of two coaches from “University-6” named in the case against Adidas executive James Gatto. “University-6” has been identified as Louisville, and the school is discussed in paying a top recruit, identified as 2017 247Sports five-star Brian “Tugs” Bowen, $100,000. Bowen signed with, and has enrolled at, Louisville.

At one point, according to the case, AAU coach Brad Augustine stated that Adidas would likely “fund at least a portion of the future payments” to a player because “no one swings a bigger [expletive] than [Coach-2]” at Adidas. He went on to add that “all [Coach-2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they’re taking care of us.”

Later, Christian Dawkins said “he had spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for [Bowen’s] family and informed Coach-2 that ‘I need you to call Jim Gatto, [the defendant,] who’s the head of everything’ at the [Adidas] basketball program.
Never met a more pathological liar and cheat than Pitino.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: NaturalStateReb on September 28, 2017, 01:20:44 pm
The NCAA could have stopped all this along time ago. In my opinion they're aware and have looked the other way to keep the money flowing. I hope the FBI brings the whole damn thing crashing down.

Worse yet, Adidas could have had a guy on the inside.  Know what job Kobie Baker had before he got his gig at Alabama in 2015?

NCAA Assistant Director of Enforcement for Basketball/Associate Director of Amateurism Certification
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: LRHawg on September 28, 2017, 01:35:02 pm
C.R.E.A.M

GET THE MONEY





Dollar Dollar Bill, Yall.

From College BB to politics, there's nothing human nature can't corrupt with its lust for money and power!
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: imtad16 on September 28, 2017, 01:40:06 pm
Because the NCAA never has been interested in bringing down the Big Boys - not really.


Well even if they wanted to, which they probably wouldn't have you're right, they couldn't have put their thumb on them with this type of evidence. To get this stuff you need the wire taps, video and audio recordings with informants and undercover agents. It's almost hard to believe they even got executives at Adidas in this thing. Last week it came out that Adidas has reached an all time high market share of 11% and then this week top executives caught absolutely red handed breaking the law to help their brand. What a roller coast week for them, so embarrassing.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 28, 2017, 02:14:13 pm
It was a singular act of an individual, not a way of regular business.
I wouldn't argue much with that, except for the person it was(the chancellor's daughter) made it look terrible.

But that defense has never worked. It didn't work for Arkansas in the 90s. (the Springdale CC thing was part of it too then I think)

UNC can make the same argument. it was a singular act of one professor setting up bogus classes to help athletes.

Louisville can and did make the same claim about the strippers. It was a 'rogue' assistant doing all this.

Whether it's true or not, it doesn't usually fly as a plausible excuse.

I, personally, think the UNC case is pretty brazen academic fraud and I couldn't care one whit if it was one person, or 20. They should be punished fairly hard.
Louisville, same thing. One assistant, or goes up the chain to Pitino, doesn't matter. It happened, and they should be punished.
Likewise, Arkansas no matter how/when/why it happened, they deserved some kind of punishment. I'm sure fans of other schools were probably wishing it was more severe.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 28, 2017, 02:18:25 pm
I sure would like to see some real changes to college sports as a result of this mess, the NCAA particularly.  Personally I'd like to see any schools involved in this mess kicked out of their conferences and turned into instant independents.  I'd like to see the NCAA revamped and given subpoena power and real teeth to their enforcement actions.  I'd like to see somebody overseeing the NCAA so when they don't take action (North Carolina) they (NCAA) get a swift kick in the rear.
Exactly.
Either give the NCAA real power, or disband the investigative arm.
Unless you have means to make people talk, it's pointless and you can't get to the bottom of cases all the time.
Just like Auburn and Scam Newton. All they had to do was deny, deny, deny and if no one squeals...case over.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: NaturalStateReb on September 28, 2017, 02:18:58 pm
Auburn is now offering basketball season ticket holders full refunds for the 2018 season:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/9/27/16374128/auburn-refunds-mens-basketball-season-tickets-in-wake-of-fbi-investigation

Those guys down on the plains know it's about to get bad, really bad.  Bruce Pearl will be the next head coach that gets swallowed by this thing.  You can't tell me he didn't know.  They're big commit for 2018 already decommitted.

BTW, Louisville's entire 2018 class has decommitted.  Since none of them may end up being eligible, it may not matter.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 28, 2017, 02:23:12 pm
Auburn is now offering basketball season ticket holders full refunds for the 2018 season:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/9/27/16374128/auburn-refunds-mens-basketball-season-tickets-in-wake-of-fbi-investigation

Those guys down on the plains know it's about to get bad, really bad.  Bruce Pearl will be the next head coach that gets swallowed by this thing.  You can't tell me he didn't know.  They're big commit for 2018 already decommitted.

BTW, Louisville's entire 2018 class has decommitted.  Since none of them may end up being eligible, it may not matter.
Ah...again, back to Scam Newton, as I recall that didn't affect his eligibility.
Seems the player has to KNOW shenanigans are going on for it to affect his eligibility. Again, all he has to do is deny, deny, deny.
I hate Auburn. One of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history.
This is the only time you will ever hear me say I 'hate' somebody. I don't hate you if you beat me 50 times in a row. As long as I think it's honest, I can live with it.
If I don't think someone is playing by the rules, and routinely, then my opinion changes.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: NaturalStateReb on September 28, 2017, 02:27:10 pm
Ah...again, back to Scam Newton, as I recall that didn't affect his eligibility.
Seems the player has to KNOW shenanigans are going on for it to affect his eligibility. Again, all he has to do is deny, deny, deny.
I hate Auburn. One of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history.

This isn't like Scam Newton.  The FBI has the players moms on recordings accepting $10,000 and $7,500.  No one could ever get the solid goods on Newton's old man.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: ShadowHawg on September 28, 2017, 02:34:10 pm
I wouldn't argue much with that, except for the person it was(the chancellor's daughter) made it look terrible.

But that defense has never worked. It didn't work for Arkansas in the 90s. (the Springdale CC thing was part of it too then I think)

UNC can make the same argument. it was a singular act of one professor setting up bogus classes to help athletes.

Louisville can and did make the same claim about the strippers. It was a 'rogue' assistant doing all this.

Whether it's true or not, it doesn't usually fly as a plausible excuse.

I, personally, think the UNC case is pretty brazen academic fraud and I couldn't care one whit if it was one person, or 20. They should be punished fairly hard.
Louisville, same thing. One assistant, or goes up the chain to Pitino, doesn't matter. It happened, and they should be punished.
Likewise, Arkansas no matter how/when/why it happened, they deserved some kind of punishment. I'm sure fans of other schools were probably wishing it was more severe.

Something worked because Adebayo was awarded additional eligibility because our program was so "dirty".

Pate lost his eligibility as a result, but that would be the only punishment after the original findings were reviewed. Pretty remarkable given the scope of the search and that the reason for the letter of inquiry was found to be without merit completely after the appeal.

There are idiots that give players money today. It's an infraction of course but it's not school sponsored either. It's weirdos that seek out access to kids because they have a sort of celebrity. That happens at the smallest of schools if you can imagine. The NCAA knows this and realize it's not the kind of thing that can actually be stopped but they can't say it's ok either.

Point being that trying to equivocate all infractions as cheating is a futile action given the ncaa has tiers for seriousness of charges in their own guidelines.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: Grizzlyfan on September 28, 2017, 02:42:01 pm
Does anyone else find it amazing that a guy named Marty Blazer, a Pittsburg PA financial adviser, is the one who turned evidence and went undercover to blow the lid off this basketball thing?  And a guy named Chuck Blazer is the guy who was the informant that blew up FIFA and most of organized soccer.
Title: Re: FBI sting results in arrests
Post by: 311Hog on September 28, 2017, 02:44:42 pm
Does anyone else find it amazing that a guy named Marty Blazer, a Pittsburg PA financial adviser, is the one who turned evidence and went undercover to blow the lid off this basketball thing?  And a guy named Chuck Blazer is the guy who was the informant that blew up FIFA and most of organized soccer.

Mazer, phazer, lazer, and all kinda azer's