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Title: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 12:01:25 pm
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 12:02:49 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:04:24 pm
I think on the upswing has yet to be seen.  They've got it good at Georgia and they can snuggle together at night. Easier division, easier recruiting, and higher profile.  What happened? Chaney' offense sucked and Pittman was butt hurt when we dropped his buddy. In fact part of our OL woes have to do with him checking out his last year here.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: navyhog24 on September 13, 2017, 12:04:32 pm
UGA fans even hate Chaney hire for them. Tennessee fans told us he would suck like Hogs fans tried to do the same for UGA.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:05:03 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.

Correction, nutrocious.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: baitshop on September 13, 2017, 12:05:36 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.

Now, don't go talking common sense with these guys, they're on a roll...
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 12:05:47 pm
I think on the upswing has yet to be seen.  They've got it good at Georgia and they can snuggle together at night. Easier division, easier recruiting, and higher profile.  What happened? Chaney' offense sucked and Pittman was butt hurt when we dropped his buddy. In fact part of our OL woes have to do with him checking out his last year here.

We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

It's not like Georgia is hiring scrubs.....but here we are talking about them like they couldn't cut it at Arkansas.

Something doesn't smell right
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 12:06:24 pm
We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

I'm not a CBB fan but Chaney was definitely a problem.   He drove me frickin' nuts. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:06:41 pm
We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

No, they don't.  Pittman, yes. Chaney? They don't see him as a homerun hire. In fact they hated him last year.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: jgphillips3 on September 13, 2017, 12:06:52 pm
Georgia's offense is not that good.  Their defense is pretty good.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Hog-Corleone on September 13, 2017, 12:07:00 pm
Pittman = good hire, Chaney, not so much...
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 12:07:27 pm
No, they don't.  Pittman, yes. Chaney? They don't see him as a homerun hire. In fact they hated him last year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2598340-new-georgia-offensive-coaches-are-home-run-hires-for-kirby-smart
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:07:58 pm
http://georgia.247sports.com/Board/19/Contents/Year-2-under-Chaney-and-Pittman-and-107345478


You may need to take this one back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: TNhawgfan on September 13, 2017, 12:08:54 pm
Pittman is a home run hire. Dude is good at coaching and recruiting. I know many on here dislike him for checking out early on us, but when he and BB were on the same page our OL was the strength of the team
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:08:59 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2598340-new-georgia-offensive-coaches-are-home-run-hires-for-kirby-smart

That wasn't "Georgia". That was Barrett Salee, and it was before they played a down.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 12:11:37 pm
Twist, go back and watch our games in '13 and '14.  I think you've forgotten the horror show that was Jim Chaney's offense.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Arthur pigby sellers. on September 13, 2017, 12:25:37 pm
I seem to remember Cheney's offense being dependent on long vertical passing plays which often take a long time to develop.  He should be able to get enough talent in Georgia to protect his QB and let those plays develop. His system didn't work great here though. I agree that Pittman is a very good OL coach and he was the best recruiter CBB has had during his time here.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: presidenthog on September 13, 2017, 12:29:54 pm
We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

It's not like Georgia is hiring scrubs.....but here we are talking about them like they couldn't cut it at Arkansas.

Something doesn't smell right

Wrong. Georgia fans hate Chaney. They liked Pittman. We warned them about Chaney.. they didn't listen. Then wanted him fired at the end of last season.

Now they still want him gone, but know they have to fire Pittman to do that.

I do not just post on this board. I interact with other fans. Georgia hates Chaney. Does not consider him a homerun. This guy is FOS.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: jethro on September 13, 2017, 12:34:00 pm
I seem to remember Cheney's offense being dependent on long vertical passing plays which often take a long time to develop.  He should be able to get enough talent in Georgia to protect his QB and let those plays develop. His system didn't work great here though. I agree that Pittman is a very good OL coach and he was the best recruiter CBB has had during his time here.
I aminly remember running the ball down teams like T Tech all the way to the 5 .  Just bulldozing them.  then get in the scoring zone and pull double reverses and flea flicker type nonsense. 
We would average 7 yds. per play running straight at them then get cute and hope to settle for a field goal.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 13, 2017, 12:36:23 pm
Right now they are on second lunch at the Golden Corral due to the Cracker Barrel being out with an injury from their walk through this morning.

Manager is looking worried.

Press conference at 4.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: RazorPiggie on September 13, 2017, 01:41:39 pm
Easier to look good when you are surrounded by 4 and 5 stars?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 01:43:39 pm
Easier to look good when you are surrounded by 4 and 5 stars?

They've looked terrible. The OP is misinformed.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
They've looked terrible. The OP is misinformed.

They just beat ND....are you saying we have upgraded since Cheney / Pittman were here?

Speaking of looking terrible - we just LOST to TCU and didn't exactly look dominant.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 01:50:52 pm
They just beat ND....are you saying we have upgraded since Cheney / Pittman were here?

Speaking of looking terrible - we just LOST to TCU and didn't exactly look dominant.

Yes.  Enos is an upgrade over Chaney.  It's not even close.

Anderson was a downgrade, though.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 01:53:19 pm
Yes.  Enos is an upgrade over Chaney.  It's not even close.

Anderson was a downgrade, though.

When will Enos show it on the field?

We are struggling on O, true? Our play calling has been unbelievably bad....



Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Hog-Corleone on September 13, 2017, 01:55:18 pm
When will Enos show it on the field?



I agree, so far this year, he is looking very Chaney-esque...
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 01:56:05 pm
They just beat ND....are you saying we have upgraded since Cheney / Pittman were here?

Speaking of looking terrible - we just LOST to TCU and didn't exactly look dominant.

You made false claims. Just admit it.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 01:56:27 pm
When will Enos show it on the field?



He did in '15 and '16.  If you couldn't see the enormous improvement from Chaney, then there's nothing I can do to help you.

I'll readily admit that Enos didn't have a good game against TCU, but I'm looking at the body of work as a whole, and it's not close.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 01:57:47 pm
You made false claims. Just admit it.

What's the false claim I made?

They just beat ND - we lost to TCU and you are claiming we are better off now than when we had Cheney? There are plenty of articles out there talking about the improved Georgia program and superior staff that Smart has assembled.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 01:59:57 pm
He did in '15 and '16.  If you couldn't see the enormous improvement from Chaney, then there's nothing I can do to help you.

I'll readily admit that Enos didn't have a good game against TCU, but I'm looking at the body of work as a whole, and it's not close.

He didn't finish last year strong...and has not impressed me much in the qb development dept. either - hopefully AA can turn things around but dayyummm really?

Not to mention he had to resign at Central Michigan before coming here - what has he done to impress you so much?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:00:11 pm
What's the false claim I made?

They just beat ND - we lost to TCU and you are claiming we are better off now than when we had Cheney? There are plenty of articles out there talking about the improved Georgia program and superior staff that Smart has assembled.

There are a LOT of legitimate ways to criticize Bielema.  This isn't one.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Marshfieldhog on September 13, 2017, 02:01:01 pm
Our problem wasn't getting Enos to replace Chaney,

Our problem was getting Anderson to replace Pittman. Not sure what CBB was thinking with that hire.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:02:31 pm
He didn't finish last year strong...and has not impressed me much in the qb development dept. either - hopefully AA can turn things around but dayyummm really?

Not to mention he had to resign at Central Michigan before coming here - what has he done to impress you so much?

Perfectly legitimate complaint.

But comparing him to Chaney is not.  Chaney sucks.  Chaney sucks hard.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 02:03:13 pm
Troll job by twist
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:03:19 pm
There are a LOT of legitimate ways to criticize Bielema.  This isn't one.

I started the thread with a question....not being critical. It's a fact that CBB has trouble retaining a staff, but that is not what this thread is about.

Chaney MAY suck, but let's keep an eye on Georgia this season and compare offensive stats at the end - who sucks more.....Enos or Chaney?

At least they started with a W....we can't say the same. It's easy to trash guys that are gone, but if he wasn't respected - he wouldn't be at GEORGIA. Most would say he took a step up from Arkansas
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: NoogaHog on September 13, 2017, 02:04:17 pm
Chaney took the #1 recruit in the country in Eason and made him into an average QB. New QB's at SCarolina, Ole Miss, and Alabama looked a lot better last year. The fans were calling for Fromm to start before the season started and Eason got hurt.
 
Just look at BA's turn around under Enos. We may be struggling, and UGA may have more talent, but all things being equal, I would take Enos 10 times out of 10.

Pittman vs. Anderson is a different discussion entirely.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:04:24 pm
I started the thread with a question....not being critical. It's a fact that CBB has trouble retaining a staff, but that is not what this thread is about.



Chaney didn't work out at Arkansas because he sucks.

Pittman didn't work out at Arkansas because Chaney sucks.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:06:23 pm
Chaney didn't work out at Arkansas because he sucks.

Pittman didn't work out at Arkansas because Chaney sucks.

Chaney has a better job now - he must REALLY suck.

Georgia saw how much they sucked and decided to hire both of them....then they beat ND

.....and we have awesome coaches, did you watch us tear it up on Sat?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 02:06:41 pm
Chaney didn't work out at Arkansas because he sucks.

Pittman didn't work out at Arkansas because Chaney sucks.

Does one suck the other is the question
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:07:32 pm
He has a better job now - he must REALLY suck.

He left here to go to Pittsburgh... Pittsburgh.  He got the job at UGA because Smart wanted Pittman.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:09:01 pm
Chaney has a better job now - he must REALLY suck.

Georgia saw how much they sucked and decided to hire both of them....then they beat ND

.....and we have awesome coaches

No, we have a lot of guys that have never coached at this level before.  I don't expect much from them.

Our coordinators were good hires, though.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:09:01 pm
He left here to go to Pittsburgh... Pittsburgh.  He got the job at UGA because Smart wanted Pittman.



Exactly - that is how bad he wanted out. Then he parlayed that job into a BETTER job in the SEC - Georgia......Georgia

he sucks
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:10:36 pm
Exactly - that is how bad he wanted out. Then he parlayed that job into a BETTER job in the SEC - Georgia......Georgia

he sucks

He certainly does suck.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 02:11:18 pm
LETs also add some more facts to this, Georgia called for Enos before they were told he can't come then they called Chaney.  They had to settle for chaney
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:11:38 pm
He certainly does suck.

.....and we are doing soooo much better without him.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
Same issue Bert was whining about when he left Wisconsin... coordinators on a revolving door.

The common denominator is... Bert.

We aren't really seeing guys leave to jump to a lateral position for a 20% pay bump
Though.  So not completely accurate
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:12:34 pm
LETs also add some more facts to this, Georgia called for Enos before they were told he can't come then they called Chaney.  They had to settle for chaney

Link?

Because Enos was in such high demand after failing at Cen Michigan?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Little Lady Back on September 13, 2017, 02:12:44 pm
Pittman is a home run hire. Dude is good at coaching and recruiting. I know many on here dislike him for checking out early on us, but when he and BB were on the same page our OL was the strength of the team

Agree with you! Pittman leaving has hurt more than some want to admit.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:12:55 pm
.....and we are doing soooo much better without him.

You think if we brought Chaney back we'd be better?  I realize you're trolling but I want this to play out.  Bashing Chaney is one of my favorite things.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 02:13:03 pm
.....and we are doing soooo much better without him.

You're too obtuse to realize your trolling comment is actually correct
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 02:14:11 pm
What's the false claim I made?

They just beat ND - we lost to TCU and you are claiming we are better off now than when we had Cheney? There are plenty of articles out there talking about the improved Georgia program and superior staff that Smart has assembled.

We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

Georgia doesn't see them as homerun hires. I posted a thread full of Georgia fans who hate Chaney as bad as some here did.  No one there considers him a homerun hire. False information.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:14:18 pm
You're too obtuse to realize your trolling comment is actually correct

They just BEAT ND - we LOST to TCU

We couldn't punch it in from inside the 5 - twice.....

Enos is the man
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:14:32 pm
Arkansas record with Chaney: 10-15
Arkansas record without Chaney:  16-12

Numbers.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 02:15:10 pm
Arkansas record with Chaney: 10-15
Arkansas record without Chaney:  16-12

Numbers.

Oh stop. Barrett sallee said it was a homerun!
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: island hog on September 13, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
Exactly - that is how bad he wanted out. Then he parlayed that job into a BETTER job in the SEC - Georgia......Georgia

he sucks
Another not-so-thin-veiled attack on our HC by you... what's new.   
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:15:41 pm
Georgia doesn't see them as homerun hires. I posted a thread full of Georgia fans who hate Chaney as bad as some here did.  No one there considers him a homerun hire. False information.

That's your opinion...there are plenty who love the hire. Information not true or false - it's an opinion
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 02:16:47 pm
That's your opinion...there are plenty who love the hire. Information not true or false - it's an opinion

Show some Ga fans that think he's a homerun as that was your claim.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:17:11 pm
Another not-so-thin-veiled attack on our HC by you... what's new.   

Is Chaney not working at Georgia now?

No attack, just a fact
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:18:39 pm
Show some Ga fans that think he's a homerun as that was your claim.  I'll wait.

You will be waiting for a long time - the season will play out and my argument will be proven true.

Chaney will out coach Enos - stats will tell the tale.

Mark this thread, let's revisit

Georgia will be happy w Chaney - we will be wanting Enos fired
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:18:49 pm
Points per game with Chaney:  26.3
Points per game without Chaney:  33.1

Numbers.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: NoogaHog on September 13, 2017, 02:19:35 pm
He certainly does suck.

He really is not that good. Georgia's defense is good, their offense not so much. He could not win at Tennessee with Bray at QB.

At Pitt they scored 28 ppg with him (68th in the nation). The next year they scored 40 ppg (10th) without him.

I just don't understand the love for Chaney. He has had some really good QB's that really badly underachieved.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:19:56 pm
Points per game with Chaney:  26.3
Points per game without Chaney:  33.1

Numbers.

Points in the second half w Chaney - vs - points in the second half with Enos?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 13, 2017, 02:20:20 pm
I would rather have Enos except the red zone playcalling is awful.

Eason and Fromm and the other talent Uga has makes coaches look good.  Chaney had 0 qb depth at Ark.   
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: ballz2thewall on September 13, 2017, 02:21:51 pm
Wrong. Georgia fans hate Chaney. They liked Pittman. We warned them about Chaney.. they didn't listen. Then wanted him fired at the end of last season.

Now they still want him gone, but know they have to fire Pittman to do that.

I do not just post on this board. I interact with other fans. Georgia hates Chaney. Does not consider him a homerun. This guy is FOS.

agreed. i also hit other boards. ga fans did not like cheney on the way in. they don't like him now.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:22:42 pm
I would rather have Enos except the red zone playcalling is awful.

Eason and Fromm and the other talent Uga has makes coaches look good.  Chaney had 0 qb depth at Ark.   

We've had redzone issues since CBB has been here. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:23:59 pm
http://www.secrant.com/rant/uga-sports/jim-chaney-will-be-the-downfall-of-this-season/71438221/

12 pages.

:)

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: AugustaHog on September 13, 2017, 02:25:49 pm
UGA fans are whining about the terrible playcalling already this year.  They still aren't enamored with the Oline play either.  Most of their fans know it's a matter of time before Chaney is let go for a better hire.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on September 13, 2017, 02:27:53 pm
Chaney has a better job now - he must REALLY suck.

Georgia saw how much they sucked and decided to hire both of them....then they beat ND

.....and we have awesome coaches, did you watch us tear it up on Sat?

I agree with all on here with Chaney wasn't a good fit but Pittman was loved by his players and fans alike.  I knew guys that played on Pittman's OL and they loved everything about him.  When Pittman bolted, the Hogs OL was upset and wanted nothing to do with his replacement.  But like we all know it's a business.

I hear what you're saying if Chaney sucks so much how did he end up at UGA?  Well the same can be said for Rob Smith ending up at Minn with PJ Fleck or Smiley coaching at Kentucky State University (had to do it).  Sometimes coaches are just a better fit elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: sickboy on September 13, 2017, 02:33:47 pm
They just beat ND....are you saying we have upgraded since Cheney / Pittman were here?

Speaking of looking terrible - we just LOST to TCU and didn't exactly look dominant.



I don't hear you making a sound argument about Georgia and those coaches. I just hear you arguing that we suck right now. Which I get, but the two don't have anything to do with one another.

I think you're just looking for something to rationalize why we suck right now. If it was as simple as hiring the right coaches and keeping them -- assuming that coaching was black and white, meaning you're either good or you're bad -- then there would be more than one to three programs who are legit National Title contenders.

The truth is, there are a million tiny, infintesimal reasons a program is what it is. It's not just a head coach -- it's not just a 5* QB. It's way more complicated than that. That's why Arkansas football has been a middle of the rung SEC West school for decades and it's the same reason why Alabama has been a powerhouse program for decades.

The shape of college football and their programs shift and change very, very slowly, like a river bank carving through a mountain range. Every now and then there is a monumental happening, an earthquake or a landslide, like us moving to the SEC in 1992. But for the most part -- those things happen very rarely. And until something like that happens for Arkansas football again, something on that level, we're going to continue to be a top 35-30 football program.

Now, I think it's totally possible that a coach can be that monumental happening. But, I also think those coaches only come along once in a lifetime. And it's easy to see in hindsight that Saban was one of those guys. But for a program to get a guy like Saban, they have to bet on him early in his career, hope that he turns out to be Saban-esque, and on top of that, hope that this once in a  generational coach comes along and sticks around. Meaning he doesn't get lured by the already bigger, more established programs... or he doesn't burn out.

All that to say, in the grand scheme of things... I don't think Pittman or Chaney played any massive role in Arkansas football one way or the other. If they did... you'd know it.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 02:36:13 pm
Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 02:36:45 pm
Merciless.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 02:37:30 pm
Dan Enos' OC record vs. SEC

Arkansas
2015: 5-3
2016: 3-5
2017: ?

Total: 8-8
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 02:41:10 pm
You tell me.  Is Enos the problem now???  Kurt Anderson??  There's one thing all had in common......
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: LRHawg on September 13, 2017, 02:41:32 pm
Why is beating a bad ND by a point with a new QB some great feat?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 02:43:23 pm
Why is beating a bad ND by a point with a new QB some great feat?

Because any team that beats Notre Dame is going to win the National Championship...... ask Texas and Charlie Strong:

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 02:49:53 pm
You will be waiting for a long time - the season will play out and my argument will be proven true.

Chaney will out coach Enos - stats will tell the tale.

Mark this thread, let's revisit

Georgia will be happy w Chaney - we will be wanting Enos fired

Maybe, but unless you're a mind reader, miss Cleo, what you claimed is still false.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on September 13, 2017, 03:05:30 pm
Because any team that beats Notre Dame is going to win the National Championship...... ask Texas and Charlie Strong:


Now that was hilarious!!! Hated that for homegrown dude like HBC Strong but I literally chuckled through the entire video...Thanks factchecker!
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: LRHawg on September 13, 2017, 03:06:23 pm
Great memory

Thanks for that!   ;D I needed that.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 03:08:14 pm
They just BEAT ND - we LOST to TCU

We couldn't punch it in from inside the 5 - twice.....

Enos is the man

I see slightly complex thoughts are too difficult for you.  It's sad to see
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: HF#1 on September 13, 2017, 03:09:57 pm
We talk shiite about them  - but Georgia sees them as HOMERUN hires - was the problem Cheney and Pittan  or CBB?

It's not like Georgia is hiring scrubs.....but here we are talking about them like they couldn't cut it at Arkansas.

Something doesn't smell right

Big talent gap between Arkansas and Georgia. Pittman's two biggest OL recruits at Arkansas lost their job to a walk-on true freshman...
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: woodhog14 on September 13, 2017, 03:16:24 pm
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/

Go read a Georgia message board. Most of them don't like Chaney and his play calling.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: woodhog14 on September 13, 2017, 03:20:30 pm
You will be waiting for a long time - the season will play out and my argument will be proven true.

Chaney will out coach Enos - stats will tell the tale.

Mark this thread, let's revisit

Georgia will be happy w Chaney - we will be wanting Enos fired

2016 Offensive Stats
Arkansas 428.5 ypg
Gerogia 384.9 ypg
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 03:54:15 pm
I agree with all on here with Chaney wasn't a good fit but Pittman was loved by his players and fans alike.  I knew guys that played on Pittman's OL and they loved everything about him.  When Pittman bolted, the Hogs OL was upset and wanted nothing to do with his replacement.  But like we all know it's a business.

I hear what you're saying if Chaney sucks so much how did he end up at UGA?  Well the same can be said for Rob Smith ending up at Minn with PJ Fleck or Smiley coaching at Kentucky State University (had to do it).  Sometimes coaches are just a better fit elsewhere.

Minn and Kentucky St are far different programs than Georgia. Georgia is a step up from Ark - I don't think we can argue that
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 03:55:44 pm
2016 Offensive Stats
Arkansas 428.5 ypg
Gerogia 384.9 ypg

About even - let's follow this season.

Hearing the noise on here you would think Enos was light years ahead of Ch
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Been10Hog on September 13, 2017, 03:57:17 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.
Yeah! When you have Georgias talent you could line up in the "dead T" and win 10 games
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 03:57:19 pm
About even - let's follow this season.

Hearing the noise on here you would think Enos was light years ahead of Ch

lol, so you're going to claim victory if a much more talented team in a much worse division has a better record than us?

I thought that's where this was going.  Solid troll job, though.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 03:57:38 pm
About even - let's follow this season.

Hearing the noise on here you would think Enos was light years ahead of Ch

So are you still claiming Georgia thinks it was a homerun hire?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 03:57:54 pm
Why is beating a bad ND by a point with a new QB some great feat?

It's a big W - top 25 win ( w a freshman QB)

Wish we could say the same (w a veteran QB)
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 03:59:12 pm
It's a big W - top 25 win

Wish we could say the same

Me too. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: hobhog on September 13, 2017, 04:01:51 pm
Same issue Bert was whining about when he left Wisconsin... coordinators on a revolving door.

The common denominator is... Bert.

Nanny nanny boo boo.....
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 04:11:02 pm
It's a big W - top 25 win ( w a freshman QB)

Wish we could say the same (w a veteran QB)

Who doesn't?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: GunnerHawg70 on September 13, 2017, 04:11:46 pm
Minn and Kentucky St are far different programs than Georgia. Georgia is a step up from Ark - I don't think we can argue that
I can agree only due to UGA's tenure in the SEC and Georgia is a recruiting hot bed in comparison to Arkansas as of late.  Chaney's play calling pissed away some games the Hogs should've won.  I was (like many of us) was a Sam Pittman fan because how he recruited and developed OL.  CDE has some work cut out for him because of success (for the most part) last season.  I'm still not sold on CKA and his development of OL.  I would love to have seen CDE and Pittman run the Hogs offense but pipe dreams are just that.

I think if I can remember correctly, HV celebrated when Chaney left...Just sayin
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 04:16:31 pm
So are you still claiming Georgia thinks it was a homerun hire?

Nobody agrees with every hire - not all of Georgia likes the hire, some of them do. They have a good top 25 win under their belts and they have momentum going into conference comp. - we can't say the same. The trajectory of our program in not going up at the moment - the Georgia program is moving in a positive direction.

We have Enos / CBB in year 5....we are stagnant and w/o identity

Georgia has Cheney / Smart in 3...they are seen as an up and comer with a recent, nationally televised top 25 win
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Been10Hog on September 13, 2017, 04:28:24 pm
Nobody agrees with every hire - not all of Georgia likes the hire, some of them do. They have a good top 25 win under their belts and they have momentum going into conference comp. - we can't say the same. The trajectory of our program in not going up at the moment - the Georgia program is moving in a positive direction.

We have Enos / CBB in year 5....we are stagnant and w/o identity

Georgia has Cheney / Smart in 3...they are seen as an up and comer with a recent, nationally televised top 25 win
We lost to a team the "experts" picked us to lose. UGA beat a team that although in top 25, most "experts" picked them to beat. Sky aint fallin' yet. I think we are going to finish with a good year and TCU will finish much better than we think! If we lose to A&M, OM, Miss St, USCe and MIZZOU I'll push you out of the way to get to the ledge first
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 04:28:49 pm
Nobody agrees with every hire - not all of Georgia likes the hire, some of them do. They have a good top 25 win under their belts and they have momentum going into conference comp. - we can't say the same. The trajectory of our program in not going up at the moment - the Georgia program is moving in a positive direction.

We have Enos / CBB in year 5....we are stagnant and w/o identity

Georgia has Cheney / Smart in 3...they are seen as an up and comer with a recent, nationally televised top 25 win

Which isn't the point you made in the OP at all. Are you backing away from that now tomkake your new point or....?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 04:38:08 pm
in case you guys haven't figured it out, twist has below average football knowledge.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: jkstock04 on September 13, 2017, 04:42:58 pm
Nobody agrees with every hire - not all of Georgia likes the hire, some of them do. They have a good top 25 win under their belts and they have momentum going into conference comp. - we can't say the same. The trajectory of our program in not going up at the moment - the Georgia program is moving in a positive direction.

We have Enos / CBB in year 5....we are stagnant and w/o identity

Georgia has Cheney / Smart in 3...they are seen as an up and comer with a recent, nationally televised top 25 win
You have gotta be kidding with all this dude...seriously. Chaney is garbage...you would like to have him back getting stuck in elevators and teaching our qbs? Can you imagine him on the field actually coaching drills with the qbs? No chance man.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Laughing Hog on September 13, 2017, 04:44:10 pm
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/

I'm in GA. They want the fat twins gone in the circles I'm around. They do get better athletes over here than we do.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 04:47:20 pm
Nobody agrees with every hire - not all of Georgia likes the hire, some of them do. They have a good top 25 win under their belts and they have momentum going into conference comp. - we can't say the same. The trajectory of our program in not going up at the moment - the Georgia program is moving in a positive direction.

We have Enos / CBB in year 5....we are stagnant and w/o identity

Georgia has Cheney / Smart in 3...they are seen as an up and comer with a recent, nationally televised top 25 win

lmao
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: BigoBoys on September 13, 2017, 04:48:16 pm
Rember those games in 2013 when had less than 100 yards passing? 

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 04:55:33 pm
Twist got demolished in this thread lol
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 13, 2017, 05:01:58 pm
I think on the upswing has yet to be seen.  They've got it good at Georgia and they can snuggle together at night. Easier division, easier recruiting, and higher profile.  What happened? Chaney' offense sucked and Pittman was butt hurt when we dropped his buddy. In fact part of our OL woes have to do with him checking out his last year here.

You have spoken truth.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on September 13, 2017, 05:16:08 pm
Ever listen to Dave Bartoo?  He breaks down the numbers.  Has Chaney as a low grade OC.  Just means he under performs the talent.  If you are a C coordinator with A to A+ talent you can still manage B grade results and look decent.  If you are a C coordinator with B talent you are  going to get C to C+ results.

Pittman was a good get for them.  Chaney not so much. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:38:36 pm
Rember those games in 2013 when had less than 100 yards passing? 



2013 we had alot of FR starting / playing too - it may be the same results this year w Enos
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:39:06 pm
Ever listen to Dave Bartoo?  He breaks down the numbers.  Has Chaney as a low grade OC.  Just means he under performs the talent.  If you are a C coordinator with A to A+ talent you can still manage B grade results and look decent.  If you are a C coordinator with B talent you are  going to get C to C+ results.

Pittman was a good get for them.  Chaney not so much. 

How does he rate Enos? Please provide link
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:40:09 pm
lmao

what's funny about that post? Too many facts for you to deal with?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:41:02 pm
You have gotta be kidding with all this dude...seriously. Chaney is garbage...you would like to have him back getting stuck in elevators and teaching our qbs? Can you imagine him on the field actually coaching drills with the qbs? No chance man.

I don't want him back - but what we have now isn't better.

Did you watch the game Sat?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:42:00 pm
How does he rate Enos? Please provide link

I don't think you want to hear this but:

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/771808157353979904

Quote
Enos grade in 2015 better than bobby/paul petrino best yrs with hogs

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/765657588356616192

Quote
I forgot to mention supersecret oc vs sec D.  Enos of #hogs one of best scoring efficiency metrics in sec in conf
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 05:42:51 pm
I don't think you want to hear this but:

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/771808157353979904

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/765657588356616192

Ouch. That sound you hear is this thread collapsing under the weight of its own ignorance.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:43:03 pm
I don't think you want to hear this but:

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/771808157353979904

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/765657588356616192


SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

I love going out on a limb - let's see if it breaks. As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:44:01 pm
SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*UPwnSRr5ujBqkZlLDGv88A.gif)
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:45:09 pm
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*UPwnSRr5ujBqkZlLDGv88A.gif)

How?

Let's see how it plays out - I said this earlier in the thread.

Let's watch the Georgia O vs the Arkansas O

Will be interesting
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 05:45:24 pm
SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

I love going out on a limb - let's see if it breaks. As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M

You sure that quote is accurate?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:46:26 pm
Let's see how it plays out - I said this earlier in the thread.

Should have thought of that before you started the thread.  Especially when all of the facts up to this point says Enos is better.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:47:13 pm
As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M

Another lie.

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 05:57:10 pm
It's aggravating people are this dense.   Twist, even the own georincoaxh wanted Enos over Chaney and it's public knowledge.  You are just being dumb.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Tyro3 on September 13, 2017, 05:58:45 pm
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/

I can see you are at it again.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 06:19:42 pm

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.

And it's his job to get us there - 4 million a year....I expect a solid game on both O and D.

He's got time to prepare

Let's get it DONE Coach B! Go Hogs, I will be there cheering on the team.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 06:47:23 pm
all of the facts up to this point says Enos is better.

Especially that superb record at Central Michigan....wait, what happened there?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 06:54:46 pm
Especially that superb record at Central Michigan....wait, what happened there?

You're smarter than this.  Enos was head coach at Central Michigan not OC.

Plenty of coaches are better coordinators than they are head coaches.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: jkstock04 on September 13, 2017, 06:57:53 pm
Another lie.

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.
That doesn't make me feel fuzzy inside.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:00:33 pm
You're smarter than this.  Enos was head coach at Central Michigan not OC.

Plenty of coaches are better coordinators than they are head coaches.

What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


Yes, he was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:03:18 pm
What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


He was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here

Nobody is arguing that Enos is the best OC.  Everyone is arguing that he is better than Chaney.

Even Smart wanted Enos over Chaney.  He hired Chaney to get Pittman.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: hoglady on September 13, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.

Our offense on Saturday reminded me of Chaney's last year here.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:05:13 pm
What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


Yes, he was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here.

Gosh your trolling sucks. 

What happened to Urbana team Saturday?  Is only good some of the time?

What happened to Bobby against bama?  Is he only good some of the times?

What happened with Chaney last year against Nichols st WITH ALL THAT YALENT?  Is he just good some of the time.

How many more times do we have to shoot down your idiotic post?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:12:50 pm
Gosh your trolling sucks. 

What happened to Urbana team Saturday?  Is only good some of the time?

What happened to Bobby against bama?  Is he only good some of the times?

What happened with Chaney last year against Nichols st WITH ALL THAT YALENT?  Is he just good some of the time.

How many more times do we have to shoot down your idiotic post?

I see a 2nd half trend with Enos - it's not pretty

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:13:52 pm

Even Smart wanted Enos over Chaney.  He hired Chaney to get Pittman.

Link?

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:14:57 pm
Link?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/smart-inquired-about-arkansas-offensive-coordinator

Were you around during 2016?  Do you not remember the rumors being that Enos was being pursued by Georgia and Smart?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:16:43 pm
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/smart-inquired-about-arkansas-offensive-coordinator

Were you around during 2016?  Do you not remember the rumors being that Enos was being pursued by Georgia and Smart?

I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

We have started on different paths - let's see how things play out.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Al Boarland on September 13, 2017, 07:18:03 pm
If our guys had talent to work with everyone would think they were all world coaches too.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:20:20 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

Then why did you need a link?

It was discussed heavily on hogville.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on September 13, 2017, 07:22:14 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

Georgia isn't setting the world on fire under Chaney and they haven't since he arrived. We've done better under Enos as the OC than we ever did on an ongoing basis with Chaney and in a tougher division than Chaney has to compete in now. Enos has "screwed the pooch" a few times and no doubt that is on him and Bielema. But I would take Enos over Chaney every day of the week and twice on Sunday. That doesn't mean that Enos didn't fail pretty miserably this past Saturday, but Chaney might have been as bad or worse. Get over the Chaney love, it is unfounded except that you are attempting at every turn to make a case against Bielema, just like everyone else this week. It doesn't make you unique or original.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: FATHAWG08 on September 13, 2017, 07:24:36 pm
I started the thread with a question....not being critical. It's a fact that CBB has trouble retaining a staff, but that is not what this thread is about.

Chaney MAY suck, but let's keep an eye on Georgia this season and compare offensive stats at the end - who sucks more.....Enos or Chaney?

At least they started with a W....we can't say the same. It's easy to trash guys that are gone, but if he wasn't respected - he wouldn't be at GEORGIA. Most would say he took a step up from Arkansas
Kirby Smart came after Enos before he settled on Chaney.Correct???
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: hoglady on September 13, 2017, 07:24:43 pm
Enos is probably a pretty good coach.

But still no excuse for Missouri, VT and TCU.
Offense was pathetic and the main reason for all 3 losses.
Something's terribly wrong with this offensive unit / and hopefully Enos can figure it out.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:29:30 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

We have started on different paths - let's see how things play out.

Funny to compare a program that year end and year out is a top 5-7 recruiting team to a team that recruits in the twenties.  Ohhhh wait, logic says there is more to it then that but only recruiting ranks matter when it fits your angle of bashing the staff or players.   
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
Funny to compare a program that year end and year out is a top 5-7 recruiting team to a team that recruits in the twenties.  Ohhhh wait, logic says there is more to it then that but only recruiting ranks matter when it fits your angle of bashing the staff or players.   

Why would a top 5-7 recruiting team want some bums like Chan & Pitt....go figure
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:42:55 pm
Why would a top 5-7 recruiting team want some bums like Chan & Pitt....go figure

Pittman is a damn good coach.

His only downfall is anchoring himself to Chaney.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:46:13 pm
Pittman is a damn good coach.

His only downfall is anchoring himself to Chaney.

because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:53:05 pm
because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls

What exactly makes ND a good win?  We had a better record then them last year. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:53:21 pm
because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls

Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 07:54:25 pm
Fifteen and forty-one.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:54:39 pm
What exactly makes ND a good win?

Didn't you know.  If you beat Notre Dame then you might as well have won a national championship.  Cue that video:

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:55:35 pm
Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41

He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 07:56:13 pm
FIFTEEN AND FORTY-ONE
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:56:32 pm
He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

8-8 is better than 15-41
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:57:15 pm
What exactly makes ND a good win?  We had a better record then them last year. 

They were top 25, we just lost to a top 25 team----TCU would have been a good win. But our Energizing Enos Offense couldn't punch it in from the 5 - twice
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:58:10 pm
8-8 is better than 15-41

Recent trends don't look good for Enos
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:58:47 pm
Recent trends don't look good for Enos

Overall history looks like darn for Chaney.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 08:00:05 pm
They were top 25, we just lost to a top 25 team----TCU would have been a good win. But our Energizing Enos Offense couldn't punch it in from the 5 - twice


Ohhh so. Cause some writers put numbers in front of a team in second week of the season it makes them good. Glad to know we don't use facts from the previous year to grade teams or coaches, now we can forget last year for bielema and call him 1-1 this year and only be mad at the tcu game, not the ongoing issue... by your completely STUPID logic.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 08:00:56 pm
He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

By your reason we should let Bielema play it our right?  After all, Chaney has been in the sec longer than Bielema.  DA
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 08:13:48 pm
By your reason we should let Bielema play it our right?  After all, Chaney has been in the sec longer than Bielema.  DA

I will be in Dallas supporting Enos and CBB - but that does not mean I have faith in them, just pulling for them to turn it around. I love surprises.

Like a trotline.....you never know what your going to get- maybe we win out!

Go Hogs
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 08:15:20 pm
Overall history looks like darn for Chaney.

That's why it's fun - our ex oc takes a better job in the same conference...let's see the results under different leadership
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 08:17:04 pm

Ohhh so. Cause some writers put numbers in front of a team in second week of the season it makes them good. Glad to know we don't use facts from the previous year to grade teams or coaches, now we can forget last year for bielema and call him 1-1 this year and only be mad at the tcu game, not the ongoing issue... by your completely STUPID logic.

I'm good with that - forget EVERYTHING.....let's start at being mad at the TCU game only and base our opinions on our team moving forward
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 08:18:49 pm
Sho nuff.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 13, 2017, 08:45:09 pm
I'm good with that - forget EVERYTHING.....let's start at being mad at the TCU game only and base our opinions on our team moving forward
Pssst...Mr Twister...remember saying you don't post much in MMQB?  It'd be a really good idea if you got back to that.  Read all you like...but please, don't post!  Puhleeze!!
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 08:48:18 pm
Pssst...Mr Twister...remember saying you don't post much in MMQB?  It'd be a really good idea if you got back to that.  Read all you like...but please, don't post!  Puhleeze!!

It's football season - I'll be here.

Go Hogs
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 13, 2017, 08:53:13 pm
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/
Its all  about the talent.  Chaney and Pittman have way more to work with at Ga than at Ark.  Makes them look like much better coaches.  That is most likely why they left.  They saw how hard it was going to be to build anything at Ark and when Kirby Smart came a callin, they jumped at chance.  They went from having recruiting classes in the mid 20s in the nation to top 5 or top 10 classes. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 08:59:14 pm
Its all  about the talent.  Chaney and Pittman have way more to work with at Ga than at Ark.  Makes them look like much better coaches.  That is most likely why they left.  They saw how hard it was going to be to build anything at Ark and when Kirby Smart came a callin, they jumped at chance.  They went from having recruiting classes in the mid 20s in the nation to top 5 or top 10 classes.

Chaney was let go. Worked at Pitt for a season then went to GA. He got the job to get Pittman to come to GA.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 13, 2017, 09:19:23 pm
It's football season - I'll be here.

Go Hogs
That's fine, love you being here, reading other's post.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 09:35:13 pm
Sho nuff.



It's been fun for me.  I was afraid I'd never get to bash Chaney again.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 09:42:12 pm
It's been fun for me.  I was afraid I'd never get to bash Chaney again.

I gotta say, you were ahead of your time.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: NoogaHog on September 14, 2017, 02:55:27 pm
Go watch the GA/Vandy game last year and remember that Chaney called that steaming pile.

I know, I know, Enos called the Auburn game last year and the TCU game. But Chaney is not some kind of savant.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 14, 2017, 03:00:13 pm
Chaney was let go. Worked at Pitt for a season then went to GA. He got the job to get Pittman to come to GA.
yep, that is right.  Completely forgot it.  Pittman is the one who bolted to go work with Chaney. 

Nevertheless, Im sure they find it much easier to get a visit or get interest from a 4 or 5 star recruit when they are calling from UGa instead of Ark.  Im sure they see the difference in the roster of UGa compared to Ark. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: NoogaHog on September 14, 2017, 03:20:37 pm
Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7

Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6

Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41

With NFL QB's under center
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 14, 2017, 03:39:08 pm
Go watch the GA/Vandy game last year and remember that Chaney called that steaming pile.

I know, I know, Enos called the Auburn game last year and the TCU game. But Chaney is not some kind of savant.

Not a savant - no doubt...I just don't think we are much better off now.

I don't know if CBB can recruit / retain a quality coaching staff  - he hasn't been able to in 5 years
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on September 14, 2017, 04:25:07 pm
Not a savant - no doubt...I just don't think we are much better off now.

I don't know if CBB can recruit / retain a quality coaching staff  - he hasn't been able to in 5 years

The position coaches are the weakness.  You could argue the coordinators are a wash or slight improvement over what he started with in 2013.  The position coaches are not, and while the coordinators put in the game plan the position coaches develop the talent and correct mistakes week to week.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 14, 2017, 04:27:28 pm
Not a savant - no doubt...I just don't think we are much better off now.

I don't know if CBB can recruit / retain a quality coaching staff  - he hasn't been able to in 5 years

Still riding out this abortion of a thread huh?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MushroomCloudHog on September 14, 2017, 05:03:40 pm
Sam Pittman was going to be difficult to replace. We are seeing that from last year and this year. Losing an all conference running back also doesn't help. The 2017 Razorback football team is in trouble. We are a running football team w/out the ability to run the football consistently. If we aren't able to run the ball it will be a long season ending with a losing record.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: tbhogfan on September 15, 2017, 10:09:59 am
Now at Georgia....Smart considered them 'homerun' hires...the the Georgia program is on the upswing.

Why did these guys not work out at AR?

Did we upgrade?

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/derek-dooley-landing-chaney-pittman-huge-kirby-smart

http://gridironnow.com/sam-pittmans-departure-from-arkansas-ruffles-some-feathers/

Pittman was a grand slam hire.  Arkansas went from a truly dominant line with him, to a line that regularly can't punch it in from 2 yards out now.  Chaney was a bunt for a single hire, but with a great line many good things can happen.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 15, 2017, 12:07:58 pm
Pittman was a grand slam hire.  Arkansas went from a truly dominant line with him, to a line that regularly can't punch it in from 2 yards out now.  Chaney was a bunt for a single hire, but with a great line many good things can happen.

They both coach at Georgia now - a true step up from the mess we have to deal w here at AR. CBB can't retain a staff - and that I believe is the problem.

Instability at the top - trickles down.....
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 15, 2017, 01:13:21 pm
Pittman was a grand slam hire.  Arkansas went from a truly dominant line with him, to a line that regularly can't punch it in from 2 yards out now.  Chaney was a bunt for a single hire, but with a great line many good things can happen.

You have failed to remember all the times when Pittman was here and we failed to get 1-2 yards on a goalline play or 3rd or 4th and short.  The complaint when he was here is we couldn't get any push. 
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 15, 2017, 01:42:56 pm
You have failed to remember all the times when Pittman was here and we failed to get 1-2 yards on a goalline play or 3rd or 4th and short.  The complaint when he was here is we couldn't get any push.

Exactly. He had the same issue.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 15, 2017, 04:03:31 pm
Exactly. He had the same issue.

Nothing has changed.

All the coaching changes....but on the field we have the same issues we have had since CBB got off the plane.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 15, 2017, 05:25:07 pm
Nothing has changed.

All the coaching changes....but on the field we have the same issues we have had since CBB got off the plane.

Lol you talk in circles trolling and just proved you are nothing but a troll
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 15, 2017, 05:33:21 pm
Lol you talk in circles trolling and just proved you are nothing but a troll

Yep. It's one thing to dislike CBB. It's another thing to use absolutely garbage arguments over and over and create ignorant threads that literally have zero validity. This dip darn actually said GA thought chaney was a homerun hire. They friggin hate the guy.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 15, 2017, 06:23:12 pm
Nothing has changed.

All the coaching changes....but on the field we have the same issues we have had since CBB got off the plane.
Something has changed, you were shown to  wrong about Chaney & Pittman, so there is that, you just make a left turn and act like you know. 

Everyone knows we still have problems, but unlike you, everyone one else knew Chaney & Pitt were not the good ole days.

You just heard about Georgia beating Notre Dame and assumed these were the 'Dawgs of Dooley and the Irish of Parseghian, not even close.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: HoggyCat on September 16, 2017, 04:10:34 pm
You will be waiting for a long time - the season will play out and my argument will be proven true.

Chaney will out coach Enos - stats will tell the tale.

Mark this thread, let's revisit

Georgia will be happy w Chaney - we will be wanting Enos fired

And the ones wanting Enos fired won't admit or even realize what the real problem is.  It's a controlling Nutt clone. We'll neve know what either could do as Long as Bert keeps his fingers on everything.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Russ22 on September 16, 2017, 05:31:00 pm
The rumor I heard is Pittman was tired of being Bert's designated driver after long days in the BAC.

I know Chaney was a pass first guy, and it just wasn't going to work between them.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 16, 2017, 07:16:14 pm
And the ones wanting Enos fired won't admit or even realize what the real problem is.  It's a controlling Nutt clone. We'll neve know what either could do as Long as Bert keeps his fingers on everything.

Why didn't Enos blow it up when he was the HEAD coach at CMU? He failed miserably and was shown the door....to Arkansas
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MushroomCloudHog on September 16, 2017, 09:33:07 pm
Exactly. He had the same issue.



Maybe. But he developed the lineman.  How many NFL lineman did he develope for Arkansas?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on September 16, 2017, 09:38:45 pm


Maybe. But he developed the lineman.  How many NFL lineman did he develope for Arkansas?

Swanson, Kirkland and Tretola were all on 53 man rosters. Jefferson, Skipper and Cook all on practice squads or training camps.

Ragnow clearly will also be drafted
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: MushroomCloudHog on September 16, 2017, 09:59:02 pm
Swanson, Kirkland and Tretola were all on 53 man rosters. Jefferson, Skipper and Cook all on practice squads or training camps.

Ragnow clearly will also be drafted


I'm no football expert....but I have to think think that's pretty damn good no?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on September 23, 2017, 11:17:32 pm
Should we revisit this now?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: hoglady on September 23, 2017, 11:43:43 pm
The Chaney/Pittman show looked pretty good today.
Must say I was surprised Ms. St didn't put up more of a fight.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on October 02, 2017, 06:38:10 pm
What happened w GA?

They are #5 - things are looking good....what happened with those guys here? Our rebuild MAY be complete if we just had a little more patience.

Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: grayhawg on October 02, 2017, 07:42:03 pm
What happened w GA?

They are #5 - things are looking good....what happened with those guys here? Our rebuild MAY be complete if we just had a little more patience.


And Georgia's athletes
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: PorkRinds on October 02, 2017, 07:44:51 pm
Chaney will screw it up. Sit back and watch.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: grayhawg on October 02, 2017, 07:49:11 pm
Chaney will screw it up. Sit back and watch.
Would not surprise me one bit
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: grayhawg on October 02, 2017, 07:50:44 pm
What happened here is Chaney was let go and Pittman loafed through a year before joining him.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on October 02, 2017, 09:14:16 pm
Yeah, it's all about those two coaches.  It's funny though, the studs on that offense were there before they got there and they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with shutting the other team out which is what happened. 


Twist just trolling it up
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 06:47:23 am
Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41

One question is "Why hire the guy as Arkansas 's OC after seeing that Tennessee record"?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on October 03, 2017, 10:00:03 am
One question is "Why hire the guy as Arkansas 's OC after seeing that Tennessee record"?

Seems to working out great for Georgia

Why ask why....they are #5 in the nation I believe
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on October 03, 2017, 10:01:33 am
Yeah, it's all about those two coaches.  It's funny though, the studs on that offense were there before they got there and they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with shutting the other team out which is what happened. 


Twist just trolling it up

It's about rebuilding a program
 

Kirby Smart seems to be getting it done...They fired a coach and moved onto another just like we did - with better results. If we don't have the studs - it's our own damn fault

CBB came into Fville with a 'dream team' of coaches that he hand selected - no reason to bash them now as they move onto more successful programs. It's beginning to look like the problem was CBB....as he continues to struggle in the rebuilding process.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: Inhogswetrust on October 03, 2017, 11:42:25 am
Seems to working out great for Georgia

Why ask why....they are #5 in the nation I believe

They also have players playing on other parts of the team.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: twistitup on October 03, 2017, 12:53:03 pm
They also have players playing on other parts of the team.

Very true...so did we when they were here. It  didn't work here - fact....It's working great in Georgia thus far - fact.

I don't know what happened here, but CBB must shoulder some of the blame. We had a POTENTIALLY great staff and it fell apart for one reason or another but those that left went on to be successful.

Kirby Smart is in his 3rd year - and he is doing great with our old offensive coaches.... CBB is in his 5th year and is struggling - begs the question...What Happened?
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: onebadrubi on October 03, 2017, 01:04:25 pm
It's about rebuilding a program
 

Kirby Smart seems to be getting it done...They fired a coach and moved onto another just like we did - with better results. If we don't have the studs - it's our own damn fault

CBB came into Fville with a 'dream team' of coaches that he hand selected - no reason to bash them now as they move onto more successful programs. It's beginning to look like the problem was CBB....as he continues to struggle in the rebuilding process.

Only a true idiot doesn't see a difference in situation between the coaching changes from BP to BB and Richt to Smart.
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: grayhawg on October 03, 2017, 02:11:23 pm
Very true...so did we when they were here. It  didn't work here - fact....It's working great in Georgia thus far - fact.

I don't know what happened here, but CBB must shoulder some of the blame. We had a POTENTIALLY great staff and it fell apart for one reason or another but those that left went on to be successful.

Kirby Smart is in his 3rd year - and he is doing great with our old offensive coaches.... CBB is in his 5th year and is struggling - begs the question...What Happened?
Nobody is defending CBB
Title: Re: Chaney / Pittman - what happened?
Post by: jbcarol on October 04, 2017, 05:25:00 am
Georgia practice report: Jim Chaney wasn’t happy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/915315125569118208/SsBQJecd?format=jpg&name=600x314) (https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-practice-report-jim-chaney-wasnt-happy)

Quote
Georgia offensive coordinator Jim Chaney isn’t usually the loudest and angriest coach at practice. But he was on Tuesday.

Chaney didn’t like the way scout-teamers were lining up for a drill during the media viewing period. The scout-team was supposed to give defensive backs a look, and Chaney yelled furiously at them to get in the right spot.

A few minutes later, when the drill was over, Chaney was still unhappy.

“Waste of (word edited out) time,” Chaney shouted. “Waste of (word edited out) time.”

Oh, and so what about the non-scout teamers? A few more notes and observations from the viewing period:

    Jake Fromm was indeed going first during a play polish drill, when the quarterbacks were handing off to tailbacks. Jacob Eason was going second, and Brice Ramsey was going third. That’s not outright confirmation that Fromm will start a fifth straight game on Saturday, but it probably would have been a surprise if Eason was first. (This report would have led with it, for instance, and Derek Mason fully expects Fromm to start, as the Vanderbilt coach elucidated earlier in the day.)