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RB Sports Discussion => Monday Morning Quarterback => Topic started by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 10, 2017, 01:38:16 pm

Title: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 10, 2017, 01:38:16 pm
I voted #3 as he has a 29-43 record in the SEC and I think he's the wrong person for the job in other ways. Such as the constant pumping up of the grades and graduation rates like they are as important as winning games and not being embarrassed regularly.I think the grades and graduation issues are important but as long as we're within NCAA limitations,I'm fine. For example. In all the years and games I went to I never looked down there and said" Boy ole #73 has a 3.99 overall GPA" WOW, I'm proud of that. If he has a 2.6 and is wrecking backfields from the DT spot, I'm just fine.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 11, 2017, 08:13:59 am
So in a 20+ hour period 130 folks looked at the poll. 19 voted and 18 of them felt like Long needed to go.94%
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: yraciv on September 11, 2017, 09:36:55 am
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Joe_Shmo on September 11, 2017, 09:44:52 am
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/

Ya but Jeff Long hasn't done a good job recruiting OL and DB!! 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:47:23 am
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/


Sounds real impressive until you realize 8 SEC schools finished in the Top 25 of the Directors Cup and at 20, Arkansas was still 6th in the SEC.  And, of course, the best AD award is from two years ago and the main accomplishments listed in the write up were serving on the playoff committee, firing Petrino, and hiring Bielema.

So, as for the Directors' Cup, his performance is right in line with any middle of the pack SEC AD.  And as for the other...lol
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HardCore on September 11, 2017, 09:54:54 am
Sounds real impressive until you realize 8 SEC schools finished in the Top 25 of the Directors Cup and at 20, Arkansas was still 6th in the SEC.  And, of course, the best AD award is from two years ago and the main accomplishments listed in the write up were serving on the playoff committee, firing Petrino, and hiring Bielema.

So, as for the Directors' Cup, his performance is right in line with any middle of the pack SEC AD.  And as for the other...lol

Glad to know he has done so well for himself, destroying my Alma Matter in his process.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 11, 2017, 09:55:22 am
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/
29-43
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pecos Hog on September 11, 2017, 10:01:08 am
Jeff Long owes us.   About $11MM to be correct....and, a big apology.   

This one's all on JL.  The jury is in on Bret.   It has not worked out - plain and simple.   And JL didn't even set the bar very high for him to "succeed".     He's lost my confidence that he - by himself - could hire a quality coach that could compete at the SEC level.     This time it has to be a committee of people who know the heck they're doing.     
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogwild on September 11, 2017, 10:12:33 am
High graduation rates,

In the ten years he has been here we have been 10th or higher in APR. It is CBB's push for academics is the only thing keeping us from being in the cellar.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:27:08 am
Got no issues with Long, per se. However, the extension and buyout were suspect when they were given. It wasn't a sound business decision based on performance.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 11, 2017, 08:48:29 pm
30+ hrs. 509 views and 76% still a No for Long. No comments necessary Hogvillians just vote anonymously.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 11, 2017, 08:54:05 pm
hired coached smile
hired cbb to a no fire contract due to the buyout
hired a terrible softball coach, who he had to fire
hired dykes to coach wbb, a disaster

has lowered the expectations of our football team.
is only concerned with furthering his integrity image
loves to loved by his peers

fire him, replace him with someone who wants teams to win, not just participate
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogPharmer on September 11, 2017, 08:59:00 pm
RIP JFB
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The real Hogules on September 12, 2017, 08:38:54 am
Another winner of a statement from our A.D. - “Yes, winning is important,” he said. “Now contrast that if you’re a win-at-all-cost program which we’re not and I’ve said many, many times we’re not, then you don’t worry about the academics, you don’t worry about the conduct, you just win.

“And you know what? When I arrived here 10 years ago, that’s not what the leaders wanted at the time and certainly that’s certainly not what we’ve delivered.

http://hitthatline.com/long-in-lr-arkansas-not-win-at-all-cost-program/
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on September 12, 2017, 08:52:10 am
Another winner of a statement from our A.D. - “Yes, winning is important,” he said. “Now contrast that if you’re a win-at-all-cost program which we’re not and I’ve said many, many times we’re not, then you don’t worry about the academics, you don’t worry about the conduct, you just win.

“And you know what? When I arrived here 10 years ago, that’s not what the leaders wanted at the time and certainly that’s certainly not what we’ve delivered.

The self promoter acts as if he has changed something.  What is he talking about?  We have never, under any athletic director or head coach in my lifetime, been a "win at all costs" program.  We used to be a "win" program, so I guess I should admit that Long has changed SOMETHING.

Just go.  Away.  Far away.  The thought of Long hiring the next football coach is even less desirable than keeping Bielema on the job.  We have already seen plenty of his decision making.

And for the 895th time, every athletic department in the SEC makes a profit.  We aren't profitable because Long is doing such a great job managing our money.  We are profitable because the conference passes out massive checks to each member.  The man who made us all that money is Frank Broyles, who moved us to the SEC in the first place.  No one...Long, me, you, a monkey on a leash...could lose money at Arkansas no matter how hard he tried, and goodness knows Long is in the process of testing that truth.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jgphillips3 on September 12, 2017, 08:54:27 am
Jeff Long was fine when he had Petrino.  Good coaches make AD's look good.  Now, my confidence in him hiring the right guy is shaky, but if he did, Long is a decent administrator.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 09:03:42 am
question for mr long:

does he believe people will keep contributing to the foundation, buying tickets, and buying advertising, for him to go out and sell the program on APR, GPA, & Graduation rates, with mediocre on field results.

Arkansas Razorback Football is a participation sport
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 09:05:42 am
29-43

Didn't know Long coached the team. Dude has an impressive resume if that's the case.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hamARchy in the USA on September 12, 2017, 09:09:10 am
The self promoter acts as if he has changed something.  What is he talking about?  We have never, under any athletic director or head coach in my lifetime, been a "win at all costs" program.  We used to be a "win" program, so I guess I should admit that Long has changed SOMETHING.

Just go.  Away.  Far away.  The thought of Long hiring the next football coach is even less desirable than keeping Bielema on the job.  We have already seen plenty of his decision making.

And for the 895th time, every athletic department in the SEC makes a profit.  We aren't profitable because Long is doing such a great job managing our money.  We are profitable because the conference passes out massive checks to each member.  The man who made us all that money is Frank Broyles, who moved us to the SEC in the first place.  No one...Long, me, you, a monkey on a leash...could lose money at Arkansas no matter how hard he tried, and goodness knows Long is in the process of testing that truth.

right on
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 12, 2017, 09:10:13 am
Jeff Long was fine when he had Petrino.  Good coaches make AD's look good.  Now, my confidence in him hiring the right guy is shaky, but if he did, Long is a decent administrator.

The PTB need to remove him from all football related personnel decisions going forward.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 12, 2017, 09:15:11 am
Most fans are pure 100% idiots.  Long just needs to recognize that BB is losing the fans and it's time to make a change. There's no need to panic or bulldoze the entire athletic department. Yet.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Nafunu32 on September 12, 2017, 09:18:15 am
Years ago, I had an athletic scholarship to play football at Henderson State, or to go to other schools on academic scholarships. I chose academics because I felt that I didn't have a career in the NFL. A lot of these college football players don't have the option of an academic scholarship. They also feel that playing for a D1 SEC school, they have a shot at the NFL. Obviously, academics is important... but I believe that starting on Saturdays, and ultimately, playing in the NFL is higher on their priority list. As long as our players are passing their classes, I could care less if they are making Cs or As. The phrase, "Cs get degrees" comes to mind.

At the end of the day, I prefer a player that is smashing heads and making Cs than a cupcake making As. If they want 4.0 GPAs, focus on that instead of football.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on September 12, 2017, 09:20:11 am
Another winner of a statement from our A.D. - “Yes, winning is important,” he said. “Now contrast that if you’re a win-at-all-cost program which we’re not and I’ve said many, many times we’re not, then you don’t worry about the academics, you don’t worry about the conduct, you just win.

“And you know what? When I arrived here 10 years ago, that’s not what the leaders wanted at the time and certainly that’s certainly not what we’ve delivered.

http://hitthatline.com/long-in-lr-arkansas-not-win-at-all-cost-program/
Lol wow. Hell of a time to double down on the winning doesn't matter stuff. Wow wow wow.

I miss Frank Broyles. For all his faults...you never would've heard him relate to fans this message that winning doesn't matter or is secondary. Especially the day or so after a terrible loss at home.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 09:28:24 am
hired coached smile
hired cbb to a no fire contract due to the buyout
hired a terrible softball coach, who he had to fire
hired dykes to coach wbb, a disaster

has lowered the expectations of our football team.
is only concerned with furthering his integrity image
loves to loved by his peers

fire him, replace him with someone who wants teams to win, not just participate

What took you so long??

I realized that hiring Long was a mistake  when he tried to hire Tommy Bowden and Jim Grobe as Football HC while ignoring Bobby Petrino and then, he was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair.

I'll admit that I gave him high marks for hiring Bret Bielema, he sure fooled me with that one. I really believed Bret would turn things around.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 09:31:19 am
What took you so long??

I realized that hiring Long was a mistake  when he tried to hire Tommy Bowden and Jim Grobe as Football HC while ignoring Bobby Petrino and then, he was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair.

I'll admit that I gave him high marks for hiring Bret Bielema, he sure fooled me with that one. I really believed Bret would turn things around.

all this academic crap. the hypocrisy of it. if he wants to be an ad in the patriot or ivy league then go. but he will not because of money & all the prestige he gets from his peers. this is all about him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Marshfieldhog on September 12, 2017, 09:40:08 am
Bret was never going to work, there are just not enough high schools playing smash mouth football. Our recruiting base plays spread football which is why we should have hired Gundy. That hire would have been a much better fit. We are screwed with Bret, he may pull out a bowl game this year but he is never going to be a 10 win coach here. His assistant coach hires are also troubling, he simply does not hire SEC level assistants.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoglady on September 12, 2017, 09:45:09 am
The integrity thing with Long may really just be a mirage.
If it's true that he offered a deal to Petrino to stay - then stated in the public press conference he did not offer a deal to Bobby / that just makes him a liar.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 09:46:48 am
The integrity thing with Long may really just be a mirage.
If it's true that he offered a deal to Petrino to stay - then stated in the public press conference he did not offer a deal to Bobby / that just makes him a liar.

And they never offer the head coaching job to but one person, lol.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 09:47:40 am
The integrity thing with Long may really just be a mirage.
If it's true that he offered a deal to Petrino to stay - then stated in the public press conference he did not offer a deal to Bobby / that just makes him a liar.

I will go one step further, I think long probably knew about petrino's extra curricular activity
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: lefty08 on September 12, 2017, 09:55:30 am
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 09:58:27 am
I will go one step further, I think long probably knew about petrino's extra curricular activity

You didn't read his notes did you. I posted them a few posts up to answer that question for you. You guys can stop speculating if you would just read the notes, but you don't have the attention span to read them. It is easier to act pissed over a Jeff Long lie while defending many Bobby Petrino lies. You guys can see in the notes that he asked Bobby to help him find  way to defend his actions and act like Bobby is the lesser of the 2 evils here.

This thread is an example of how many win at all costs fans we have, and how stupid they are willing to act to justify that position.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 10:02:36 am
You didn't read his notes did you. I posted them a few posts up to answer that question for you. You guys can stop speculating if you would just read the notes, but you don't have the attention span to read them. It is easier to act pissed over a Jeff Long lie while defending many Bobby Petrino lies. You guys can see in the notes that he asked Bobby to help him find  way to defend his actions and act like Bobby is the lesser of the 2 evils here.

This thread is an example of how many win at all costs fans we have, and how stupid they are willing to act to justify that position.

what notes
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 10:04:29 am
what notes

Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on September 12, 2017, 10:07:22 am
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread

Arkansas joined the SEC in 1992.  Our first four head coaches were for the most part smashmouth coaches and during our first 16 seasons we never once made it to a BCS bowl or finished higher than 15th in the polls.  Some of us said for years that we COULD be a better program than we appeared to be, that we merely needed a better coach and the right approach, as in right for Arkansas.  We hired that coach in 2008 and by the end of 2011 we had played in the Sugar Bowl and finished in the top five.

It seemed obvious that the winning pattern had been identified.

So what does Long do?  He hires not just A smashmouth coach, but maybe THE smashmouth coach.  Again, a lot of us said at the time that it seemed foolish to try to out-Saban Saban and wondered why we hadn't learned anything from what had just happened. 

Long hired a name, but not the right name for Arkansas.  A sledgehammer can be a useful tool but if you are trying to change the battery in your watch it's not the best choice for the job.  I honestly don't think Long understands Arkansas, the SEC, and what it takes for us to be successful on the field.  That shouldn't surprise anyone, because he apparently didn't comprehend what it would have take at Pitt, either.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pecos Hog on September 12, 2017, 10:08:35 am
question for mr long:

does he believe people will keep contributing to the foundation, buying tickets, and buying advertising, for him to go out and sell the program on APR, GPA, & Graduation rates, with mediocre on field results.

Arkansas Razorback Football is a participation sport

If this is the case we can save a ton of money on a coach who doesn't have to worry about winning.    Hire a coach for $1MM and get a bunch of acedemic counselors with the leftover change.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 10:12:11 am
I find it hard to believe with them meeting in the car, & she going to razorback club meetings, that people in the department did not know what was going on
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Con el Cerdos on September 12, 2017, 10:12:50 am
Got no issues with Long, per se. However, the extension and buyout were suspect when they were given. It wasn't a sound business decision based on performance.

That was done specifically to assure BB he would have 8 years to get his program up and running.  Reason I believe this: no one in their right mind is going to fire a coach at Arkansas and give him $15 mil, $8 Mil, or even $4 Mil just to walk away.

Was never a Long enthusiast from the start but BB's last contract finished it with Long for me.  Just an asinine piece of business by an AD for a coach who had not proven anything athletically in the SEC, and that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

2020 is well into the future, (the last year of BB's contract) and if the fan dissatisfaction gets anywhere near the HDN years Long's future at Arkansas could become tenuous as well.  I certainly think it will get worse now that the media is fanning the "fan dissatisfaction" flames after the TCU game.

If the A&M game ends in a loss, I think BB will be in danger of totally losing the fan base.  We need wins badly.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 10:13:55 am
Can someone explain to me what Jeff Long does that is so damn magical.  Tell me something he does that is outside his job description.  Is being competent in what he's getting paid to do all of a sudden makes him a rock star?

He drew up a facilities plan and had the lawyers issue some bonds (borrow money) to pay for it.  He's convinced alumni to help out the athletic department with donations.  Ok, well there were names on the facilities before JL got to the hill so it's not like that was an earth shaking concept.

It's not like the hogs had a bad balance sheet and he had some special financial insight and balanced the budget or found a new line of revenue.  Pro teams have been hitting up fans during the game for years.

Someone tell me what is so great about him, other than doing the job he was hired for.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:14:31 am
Arkansas joined the SEC in 1992.  Our first four head coaches were for the most part smashmouth coaches and during our first 16 seasons we never once made it to a BCS bowl or finished higher than 15th in the polls.  Some of us said for years that we COULD be a better program than we appeared to be, that we merely needed a better coach and the right approach, as in right for Arkansas.  We hired that coach in 2008 and by the end of 2011 we had played in the Sugar Bowl and finished in the top five.

It seemed obvious that the winning pattern had been identified.

So what does Long do?  He hires not just A smashmouth coach, but maybe THE smashmouth coach.  Again, a lot of us said at the time that it seemed foolish to try to out-Saban Saban and wondered why we hadn't learned anything from what had just happened. 

Long hired a name, but not the right name for Arkansas.  A sledgehammer can be a useful tool but if you are trying to change the battery in your watch it's not the best choice for the job.  I honestly don't think Long understands Arkansas, the SEC, and what it takes for us to be successful on the field.  That shouldn't surprise anyone, because he apparently didn't comprehend what it would have take at Pitt, either.

Who would you have hired at the time? Let's see if I actually get an answer this time. Every time I ask that question to someone who [CENSORED] about the Bielema hire, I never see a response.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: lefty08 on September 12, 2017, 10:24:54 am
Who would you have hired at the time? Let's see if I actually get an answer this time. Every time I ask that question to someone who [CENSORED] about the Bielema hire, I never see a response.

Its because Bjelema was a good hire at the time, they just dont want to admit it.mi have no clue why people hate Long short of ignorance. The dude does his job as well as anyone for what he has to work with
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 10:28:15 am
Its because Bjelema was a good hire at the time, they just dont want to admit it.mi have no clue why people hate Long short of ignorance. The dude does his job as well as anyone for what he has to work with

Some of us weren't all that enamored with the hire so don't say everyone agreed. 

Answer my question above, are you too ignorant to come up with something other than his job description?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 12, 2017, 10:29:05 am
The integrity thing with Long may really just be a mirage.
If it's true that he offered a deal to Petrino to stay - then stated in the public press conference he did not offer a deal to Bobby / that just makes him a liar.

IF is a great word.  If doesn't require you to show fact, it just lets you speculate.  I imagine Long did try to find a way to keep Bobby.  I also imagine Bobby popped off.  When Bobby did that I imagine Long felt there was no way he could keep Bobby. 

BUT - I don't know for sure about all that. 

What I do know is that Bobby got himself into that mess voluntarily. And I do know that Bobby could smart off.  I haven't seen Long behave anywhere near the way Bobby flatly did behave.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:29:42 am
Some of us weren't all that enamored with the hire so don't say everyone agreed. 

Answer my question above, are you too ignorant to come up with something other than his job description?

Okay, same question to you that I asked Eastex. You clearly weren't enamored, so who was your guy?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 10:32:56 am
cbb at the time was a great hire. you just cannot put that kind of contract together.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: arkbuck on September 12, 2017, 10:33:16 am
Jeff Long owes us.   About $11MM to be correct....and, a big apology.   

This one's all on JL.  The jury is in on Bret.   It has not worked out - plain and simple.   And JL didn't even set the bar very high for him to "succeed".     He's lost my confidence that he - by himself - could hire a quality coach that could compete at the SEC level.     This time it has to be a committee of people who know the heck they're doing.     

yes yes same committee that hired Houston Dale...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 10:36:56 am
Who would you have hired at the time? Let's see if I actually get an answer this time. Every time I ask that question to someone who [CENSORED] about the Bielema hire, I never see a response.

Butch Davis wanted the job, never got a look.

It's been said Venables wanted the job, never got a look.

There are countless other up and comers who might have wanted the job, but no one else wrote a handwritten love letter to the AD.

Jeff Long doesn't really care about the everyday fan. His focus has always been on the uber rich donors and corporate sponsors. Oh, and burnishing his image as some icon of 'integrity'.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: WOOPIGMAN on September 12, 2017, 10:39:19 am
GET JERRY JONES IN HERE! LONG LIVE THE COWBOYS AND HOGS! PIG NATION!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 10:39:41 am
Mike MacIntyre, Darrell Hazell, P.J. Fleck.

I just didn't like the hire.  Wasn't impressed at all when the nutter blew the game against him and wasn't impressed with his teams winning in a severely watered down Big10.  He's just not that bright.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:42:09 am
Butch Davis wanted the job, never got a look.

It's been said Venables wanted the job, never got a look.

There are countless other up and comers who might have wanted the job, but no one else wrote a handwritten love letter to the AD.

Jeff Long doesn't really care about the everyday fan. His focus has always been on the uber rich donors and corporate sponsors. Oh, and burnishing his image as some icon of 'integrity'.

Butch Davis worked out so well for UNC.

Link to the Venables report? A quick Google search during that whole time period yields nothing.

"Countless other up and comers" aren't names. That's a broad generalization. And more speculation.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 10:43:36 am
Butch Davis is a fine coach, did very well at Miami. UNC has never been known for its football program. And their scandal had nothing to do with him, as he was cleared in the investigation. Try again.

You asked, I answered. Bielema never seemed a good fit for Arkansas to me.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:47:18 am
Butch Davis is a fine coach, did very well at Miami. UNC has never been known for its football program. And their scandal had nothing to do with him, as he was cleared in the investigation. Try again.

You asked, I answered. Bielema never seemed a good fit for Arkansas to me.

You did answer, I'll give you that. That's more than most.

But at that time, I'm not gonna take Butch Davis or Brent Venables over a guy who's taken a team to 7 straight bowls, 3 straight Rose Bowls, and won 3 Big Ten championships all in consecutive years.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 10:49:06 am
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Butch Davis as a college coach.  He was the fall guy when NC got busted.

I lived in Dallas when he was DC of the cowboys and that man can coach football.  At least we know his ceiling is that of a GM and HC of a NFL team is a little too much for him.

Bert could only get hired as an assistant of an assistant in the NFL.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ATU HOG on September 12, 2017, 10:49:35 am
No problem with the hire at the time.  I have a problem with our constant push for an agenda from our AD.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 10:49:47 am
Who would you have hired at the time? Let's see if I actually get an answer this time. Every time I ask that question to someone who [CENSORED] about the Bielema hire, I never see a response.

It shouldn't have been necessary to make a hire then because there shouldn't have been a vacancy. Firing BP was a major mistake. A competent AD doesn't fire a Head coach who just led his team to a #12 and #5 final national ranking in back to back seasons while running a clean program that isn't even close to being investigated ny the NCAA, he handles it in house. Suspend him for a couple of months and dock his pay? Yes, but don't fire him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: sickboy on September 12, 2017, 10:49:56 am
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread

Not to mention, our program was in shambles. Getting Bielema at that time was equal to, if not crazier, than hiring Petrino off the freaking Atlanta Falcons.

If we get rid of Jeff Long... have fun. We will have just gotten rid of one of the most respected Athletic Directors in the country. Good luck finding someone to replace him. If you think our program was a mess after Petrino wrecked his damn motorcycle, then go ahead -- fire Jeff Long. See how that goes.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 10:50:21 am
If this is the case we can save a ton of money on a coach who doesn't have to worry about winning.    Hire a coach for $1MM and get a bunch of acedemic counselors with the leftover change.   

Wait, you care about money?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:52:41 am
It shouldn't have been necessary to make a hire then because there shouldn't have been a vacancy. Firing BP was a major mistake. A competent AD doesn't fire a Head coach who just led his team to a #12 and #5 final national ranking in back to back seasons while running a clean program that isn't even close to being investigated ny the NCAA, he handles it in house

A competent head coach doesn't do the darn Bobby did.

And yeah, I'm a Petrino guy. Doesn't mean I can't admit he was a dumbshit for what he did back then. When your boss gives you chances to come clean and you don't, that's pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoglady on September 12, 2017, 10:52:51 am
Butch Davis worked out so well for UNC.

Link to the Venables report? A quick Google search during that whole time period yields nothing.

"Countless other up and comers" aren't names. That's a broad generalization. And more speculation.

Actually Davis was doing a fine job at NC - before becoming the scapegoat for the academic scandal.
A scandal which was there long before Davis ever set foot on campus and that NCAA investigation is still ongoing.
Davis was totally cleared by the NCAA, he cleaned up Miami.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on September 12, 2017, 10:54:38 am
Who would you have hired at the time? Let's see if I actually get an answer this time. Every time I ask that question to someone who [CENSORED] about the Bielema hire, I never see a response.

How naïve do you have to be to realize the general public doesn't know who is available or unavailable at any given time?  Did you know Bielema was available?  Did anyone other than Long know?  Did anyone know Petrino was available?

The way you find out who is available is you get hired by an SEC or similar program and you either field phone calls...or love letters...or you inquire through agents or back channels.  Of course none of that would happen if the university didn't give you access to a big ass pile of money and the authority to offer someone $3 to $4 million per year to coach the program.   

I know you think your question is some sort of "gotcha", but frankly it is so simplistic that all it really does is demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how the major college sports world works.  It's something a fifth grader might ask, then turn to his equally juvenile friends with a big grin on his face as if he had really shown everyone how smart he is.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:55:14 am
Actually Davis was doing a fine job at NC - before becoming the scapegoat for the academic scandal.
A scandal which was there long before Davis ever set foot on campus and that NCAA investigation is still ongoing.
Davis was totally cleared by the NCAA, he cleaned up Miami.

4-8
8-5
8-5
8-5

Those are his win totals by year at UNC. He would be eaten alive here for those numbers.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 10:56:37 am
How naïve do you have to be to realize the general public doesn't know who is available or unavailable at any given time?  Did you know Bielema was available?  Did anyone other than Long know?  Did anyone know Petrino was available?

The way you find out who is available is you get hired by an SEC or similar program and you either field phone calls...or love letters...or you inquire through agents or back channels.  Of course none of that would happen if the university didn't give you access to a big ass pile of money and the authority to offer someone $3 to $4 million per year to coach the program.   

I know you think your question is some sort of "gotcha", but frankly it is so simplistic that all it really does is demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how the major college sports world works.  It's something a fifth grader might ask, then turn to his equally juvenile friends with a big grin on his face as if he had really shown everyone how smart he is.

In that case, maybe Bielema was the best we could've hired. By your logic, we don't know who else we could've had or who was available or who we had a legitimate shot to hire.

Who's to say Bielema wasn't the best option at that time? Clearly not you, based on what you just said.

Gotcha.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 10:57:50 am
4-8
8-5
8-5
8-5

Those are his win totals by year at UNC. He would be eaten alive here for those numbers.

A basketball school. One that places little emphasis on football.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 12, 2017, 10:59:54 am
How naïve do you have to be to realize the general public doesn't know who is available or unavailable at any given time?  Did you know Bielema was available?  Did anyone other than Long know?  Did anyone know Petrino was available?

The way you find out who is available is you get hired by an SEC or similar program and you either field phone calls...or love letters...or you inquire through agents or back channels.  Of course none of that would happen if the university didn't give you access to a big ass pile of money and the authority to offer someone $3 to $4 million per year to coach the program.   

I know you think your question is some sort of "gotcha", but frankly it is so simplistic that all it really does is demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how the major college sports world works.  It's something a fifth grader might ask, then turn to his equally juvenile friends with a big grin on his face as if he had really shown everyone how smart he is.

So someone was juvenile on a thread in which anonymous people discuss who should be hired for highpaying jobs in an organization none of us work for or hire for?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:00:41 am
In that case, maybe Bielema was the best we could've hired. By your logic, we don't know who else we could've had or who was available or who we had a legitimate shot to hire.

Who's to say Bielema wasn't the best option at that time? Clearly not you, based on what you just said.

Gotcha.


Mike MacIntyre, Darrell Hazell, P.J. Fleck.

I just didn't like the hire.  Wasn't impressed at all when the nutter blew the game against him and wasn't impressed with his teams winning in a severely watered down Big10.  He's just not that bright.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:00:50 am
A competent head coach doesn't do the darn Bobby did.

And yeah, I'm a Petrino guy. Doesn't mean I can't admit he was a dumbshit for what he did back then. When your boss gives you chances to come clean and you don't, that's pretty stupid.

You'd be surprised how many successful coaches have affairs and their ADs know about it. Let's not act like Long didn't know what Bobby was doing. There is no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. He fired BP and paid Jessica to quietly leave to cover his own backside.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 11:05:58 am

Mike MacIntyre, Darrell Hazell, P.J. Fleck.

I just didn't like the hire.  Wasn't impressed at all when the nutter blew the game against him and wasn't impressed with his teams winning in a severely watered down Big10.  He's just not that bright.

MacIntyre has had 2 winning seasons in 7 full seasons as a head coach.

Hazell has had 1 winning season in 5 full seasons as a head coach, and was fired mid-year by Purdue.

Fleck is the only one I would possibly agree with, but he had 0 head coaching experience at the time Bielema was hired.


You'd hire those guys over a guy with the track record I mentioned earlier?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:06:01 am
A basketball school. One that places little emphasis on football.

Exactly. Going 8-5 three straight years at a school where football is barely an afterthought is a nice accomplishment. He would do a lot better at a football first school like Arkansas.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 11:06:47 am
You'd be surprised how many successful coaches have affairs and their ADs know about it. Let's not act like Long didn't know what Bobby was doing. There is no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. He fired BP and paid Jessica to quietly leave to cover his own backside.

Yeah, totally.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 12, 2017, 11:08:25 am
I voted #3 as he has a 19-43 record in the SEC and I think he's the wrong person for the job in other ways. Such as the constant pumping up of the grades and graduation rates like they are as important as winning games and not being embarrassed regularly.I think the grades and graduation issues are important but as long as we're within NCAA limitations,I'm fine. For example. In all the years and games I went to I never looked down there and said" Boy ole #73 has a 3.99 overall GPA" WOW, I'm proud of that. If he has a 2.6 and is wrecking backfields from the DT spot, I'm just fine.

Send the Carpet Bagger packing Tarred and Feathered on a Northbound Train.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:10:50 am
MacIntyre has had 2 winning seasons in 7 full seasons as a head coach.

Hazell has had 1 winning season in 5 full seasons as a head coach, and was fired mid-year by Purdue.

Fleck is the only one I would possibly agree with, but he had 0 head coaching experience at the time Bielema was hired.


You'd hire those guys over a guy with the track record I mentioned earlier?

It's called insight and knowing the game and knowing coaches.

You're going by resume.  If you just go by paper in life then good for you.  Some of us use our gut and what we see, taste and smell to make decisions.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:10:54 am
4-8
8-5
8-5
8-5

Those are his win totals by year at UNC. He would be eaten alive here for those numbers.

CBB gets mocked for being an 8-5 ceiling kind of guy. CBD is praised for being an 8-5 guy in a weaker conference.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoglady on September 12, 2017, 11:11:10 am
4-8
8-5
8-5
8-5

Those are his win totals by year at UNC. He would be eaten alive here for those numbers.

Do you realize how many players got benched for the entire season - NC was set to contend for the ACC.
14 players missed at least one game and seven were forced to sit the entire season.
To still finish 8-5 was a miracle.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:14:12 am
You'd be surprised how many successful coaches have affairs and their ADs know about it. Let's not act like Long didn't know what Bobby was doing. There is no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. He fired BP and paid Jessica to quietly leave to cover his own backside.

Long didnt know, and I have shown you proof twice now. And, as I predicted, you have continued to ignore the evidence and keep brigading threads with your inaccurate accusations that he knew what was going on. You guys are fast to accuse Jeff of lying, but have no problems with your own lies when pushing your false narrative. Tell us again why we should consider you a credible source on anything more complicated than todays lunch menu at the YMCA?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:14:37 am
Do you realize how many players got benched for the entire season - NC was set to contend for the ACC.
14 players missed at least one game and seven were forced to sit the entire season.
To still finish 8-5 was a miracle.

28-23 is better than the record the hogs have after the first 4 years of Bert.

Some people just argue to argue cause fighting the fight for Bert and Earnie right now is there's nothing better to do.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 11:14:58 am
It's called insight and knowing the game and knowing coaches.

You're going by resume.  If you just go by paper in life then good for you.  Some of us use our gut and what we see, taste and smell to make decisions.

So remind me again why aren't you an AD or in the position to hire football coaches?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:15:36 am
So remind me again why aren't you an AD or in the position to hire football coaches?

Because I left the state and made my fortune in technology.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:15:57 am
MacIntyre has had 2 winning seasons in 7 full seasons as a head coach.

Hazell has had 1 winning season in 5 full seasons as a head coach, and was fired mid-year by Purdue.

Fleck is the only one I would possibly agree with, but he had 0 head coaching experience at the time Bielema was hired.


You'd hire those guys over a guy with the track record I mentioned earlier?

These guys would have flipped out of Fleck had been hired with 0 HC experience when they found out CBB was available and wanted the job. In short, they are unhappy and are just manufacturing reasons to be outraged.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:17:35 am
Exactly. Going 8-5 three straight years at a school where football is barely an afterthought is a nice accomplishment. He would do a lot better at a football first school like Arkansas.

Are you implying that UNC would withhold scholarships on top notch football players that CBD recruited because they are a basketball school? CBD went out and recruited who he wanted and UNC being a basketball school had nothing to do with it. You are doing mental gymnastics to justify your opinion and it just looks stupid. If CBD was the guy, he would have been the guy at any P5 school.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 11:18:19 am
These guys would have flipped out of Fleck had been hired with 0 HC experience when they found out CBB was available and wanted the job. In short, they are unhappy and are just manufacturing reasons to be outraged.

Can you imagine the implosion of this place had we hired a guy who had 1 good year out of 3 at SJSU (MacIntyre) or a guy who had 1 good year out of 2 at Kent State (Hazell)? Holy Lord have mercy.

Those guys were subsequently hired by Colorado and Purdue. I guess if we wanna be seen as on par with those programs, so be it.

I'm not even defending Bielema. He's gotta get his darn together right now. I'm defending the hire at the time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 11:18:36 am
You'd be surprised how many successful coaches have affairs and their ADs know about it. Let's not act like Long didn't know what Bobby was doing. There is no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. He fired BP and paid Jessica to quietly leave to cover his own backside.

Please give us all the sordid details on these affairs that you know about.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:18:45 am
Long didnt know, and I have shown you proof twice now. And, as I predicted, you have continued to ignore the evidence and keep brigading threads with your inaccurate accusations that he knew what was going on. You guys are fast to accuse Jeff of lying, but have no problems with your own lies when pushing your false narrative. Tell us again why we should consider you a credible source on anything more complicated than todays lunch menu at the YMCA?

You have shown no such proof. You just believe Long when he says he didn't know. Go ahead and keep kissing his backside. Some of us have wised up and know the truth about Jeff long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 12, 2017, 11:19:21 am
hiring cbb was smart.  the contract is stupid
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:21:19 am
Are you implying that UNC would withhold scholarships on top notch football players that CBD recruited because they are a basketball school? CBD went out and recruited who he wanted and UNC being a basketball school had nothing to do with it. You are doing mental gymnastics to justify your opinion and it just looks stupid. If CBD was the guy, he would have been the guy at any P5 school.

Are you really that dense?

You're boy is touting integrity over winning but still paying the big money to win without the results.

If he had said 'we're going the up and comer route and trying to find the next great coach' you don't think fans would have bought in?

See I ask over and over what to hell does JL do that is above and beyond his job description
and can't get an answer.  Sometimes I think just because he can string a complete sentence together makes him a genius for some of you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 12, 2017, 11:21:36 am
For the life of me I could never understand why fans are content with their team being an after thought or in our case currently, actually becoming a bad football program.  Although it was a bit more understanding at the time because Nutt had some success while he was here, the same thing happened during Nutt's waning days here. 

The other argument that's comical is whatever this guy has supposedly "built" here would be destroyed if he left.  Uhhhh, he hasn't done squat folks.  We could actually be getting worse.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on September 12, 2017, 11:23:29 am
Please give us all the sordid details on these affairs that you know about.

I bet he's got pictures.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 12, 2017, 11:24:02 am
Jeff Long is a man of integrity and a great leader of the UA programs. He’s well respected nationwide, charismatic, and an excellent businessman, more than capable of running a multi-million dollar athletics program. I like the guy a lot.

Having said that, the ultimate measure of success is wins and losses, and particularly football and basketball, and also baseball. Those are the ones all fans watch. And the success there solely depends on the quality of hires Long makes. Basically the AD controls the success of all those sports, via the guys he hires. So it’s all on him, ultimately. That entails having the gift of being able to recognize potential in people and having vision to see if that person can have success at the UA. This was Broyles’s biggest gift: he was an incredible visionary, in many ways. His best hires were lesser known people at the time; JFB saw their potential and gave them a chance. (McDonnell, Sutton, Richardson, Van Horn, etc).

Long has simply had only one home run hire, and that was Petrino, who we all know fell into his lap after pursuing other lesser candidates, and then he fired him. So I’m not sure if Petrino should count either. Mike Anderson is a good coach, but he’s not a home run hire either. Bret Bielema is a good coach, but he’s not at Petrino’s level, and results are showing he’s not even at Houston Nutt’s level as an SEC coach. Some of us were not sold on CBB when he was hired and said we were taking a step backwards from the Petrino days, while others were salivating over his Wisconsin success. Apples to oranges, this is Arkansas and this is the SEC. He’s just not ever shown to be a high-caliber coach. He’s not an offensive guru like Petrino, nor a defensive mastermind like Saban, or a special teams expert like Frank Beamer. He basically has no area of expertise.

Some are always asking ‘what big-name coach would come here?’. You’re already off base. Bielema is as big a name as you can get, but that’s not necessarily the right track. The best coaches at Arkansas were not household names when they came here. But hiring those guys requires an AD who can identify them. And that’s where it gets sticky; Jeff hasn’t shown that talent to find those guys. He seems to have no ‘vision’, as he only seems to go after guys who are ‘known’ in some way (Grobe, Bowden, Mike Anderson, etc). All those guys are good, but my issue is, they can never be GREAT. There is no GREATNESS in those guys. I would rather roll the dice on an unproven guy with potential and have the chance to be GREAT, instead of just hiring another ‘good’ coach who will never get it done.

This is why I didn't have a problem with the Jimmy Dykes hire. I give Jeff credit, he thought outside the box and took a flyer who could potentially by GREAT. I like that, swing for the fences and hit a home run, or strike out. So I won't fault him for trying that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:24:27 am
Please give us all the sordid details on these affairs that you know about.

Trust me, Guv doesn't know a darned thing. He just likes to pretend he does.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:25:11 am
hiring cbb was smart.  the contract is stupid

This is a credible argument
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:25:56 am
You have shown no such proof. You just believe Long when he says he didn't know. Go ahead and keep kissing his backside. Some of us have wised up and know the truth about Jeff long.

I have, multiple times. You just ignore data that contradicts your BS opinion.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 11:27:51 am
Jeff Long is a man of integrity and a great leader of the UA programs. He’s well respected nationwide, charismatic, and an excellent businessman, more than capable of running a multi-million dollar athletics program. I like the guy a lot.

Having said that, the ultimate measure of success is wins and losses, and particularly football and basketball, and also baseball. Those are the ones all fans watch. And the success there solely depends on the quality of hires Long makes. Basically the AD controls the success of all those sports, via the guys he hires. So it’s all on him, ultimately. That entails having the gift of being able to recognize potential in people and having vision to see if that person can have success at the UA. This was Broyles’s biggest gift: he was an incredible visionary, in many ways. His best hires were lesser known people at the time; JFB saw their potential and gave them a chance. (McDonnell, Sutton, Richardson, Van Horn, etc).

Long has simply had only one home run hire, and that was Petrino, who we all know fell into his lap after pursuing other lesser candidates, and then he fired him. So I’m not sure if Petrino should count either. Mike Anderson is a good coach, but he’s not a home run hire either. Bret Bielema is a good coach, but he’s not at Petrino’s level, and results are showing he’s not even at Houston Nutt’s level as an SEC coach. Some of us were not sold on CBB when he was hired and said we were taking a step backwards from the Petrino days, while others were salivating over his Wisconsin success. Apples to oranges, this is Arkansas and this is the SEC. He’s just not ever shown to be a high-caliber coach. He’s not an offensive guru like Petrino, nor a defensive mastermind like Saban, or a special teams expert like Frank Beamer. He basically has no area of expertise.

Some are always asking ‘what big-name coach would come here?’. You’re already off base. Bielema is as big a name as you can get, but that’s necessarily the right track. The best coaches at Arkansas were not household names when they came here. But hiring those guys requires an AD who can identify them. And that’s where it gets sticky; Jeff hasn’t shown that talent to find those guys. He seems to have no ‘vision’, as he only seems to go after guys who are ‘known’ in some way (Grobe, Bowden, Mike Anderson, etc). All those guys are good, but my issue is, they can never be GREAT. There is no GREATNESS in those guys. I would rather roll the dice on an unproven guy with potential and have the chance to be GREAT, instead of just hiring another ‘good’ coach who will never get it done.


Well, in Dec of 2018 if we keep the current trend going, we'll get the opportunity to find an up and comer who has greatness. We aren't hiring a coach this week, or 99% after the season. Oh, I don't see us hiring a new AD either.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:29:38 am
Are you really that dense?

You're boy is touting integrity over winning but still paying the big money to win without the results.

If he had said 'we're going the up and comer route and trying to find the next great coach' you don't think fans would have bought in?

See I ask over and over what to hell does JL do that is above and beyond his job description
and can't get an answer.  Sometimes I think just because he can string a complete sentence together makes him a genius for some of you.

He isn't my boy, he is our AD. He isn't touting integrity over winning, he is touting integrity and winning. For someone that ran off and made a fortune in technology you sure seem to be hindered by something as simple as a google search. Plus, mr. educated fortune man, the mechanic of your and you're is pretty easy to grasp.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:30:57 am
For the life of me I could never understand why fans are content with their team being an after thought or in our case currently, actually becoming a bad football program.  Although it was a bit more understanding at the time because Nutt had some success while he was here, the same thing happened during Nutt's waning days here. 

The other argument that's comical is whatever this guy has supposedly "built" here would be destroyed if he left.  Uhhhh, he hasn't done squat folks.  We could actually be getting worse.

Nobody is content with losing, that is just your hyperbolic hogwash to prop up your opinion.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:31:02 am
I have, multiple times. You just ignore data that contradicts your BS opinion.

No you haven't. you've just shown where Jeff Long said he didn't know. Like I said, keep kissing his backside.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 11:32:10 am
Because I left the state and made my fortune in technology.

Don't AD's make a fortune?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:33:14 am
No you haven't. you've just shown where Jeff Long said he didn't know. Like I said, keep kissing his backside.

Reply #32 in this thread...

Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf

There aren't any pictures so you might need to get someone to read it to you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on September 12, 2017, 11:33:30 am
Well, in Dec of 2018 if we keep the current trend going, we'll get the opportunity to find an up and comer who has greatness. We aren't hiring a coach this week, or 99% after the season. Oh, I don't see us hiring a new AD either.

The truth is that the people that matter like jeff long. Most of the people here that dislike jeff long, don't matter when it comes to his job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:34:03 am
Jeff Long is a man of integrity and a great leader of the UA programs. He’s well respected nationwide, charismatic, and an excellent businessman, more than capable of running a multi-million dollar athletics program. I like the guy a lot.



If this is all it takes to be given the keys to the Razorback Bugatti then that's why the hogs are in the athletic mess they're in.

I don't know you or many of your post, not meaning to knock you but I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:35:57 am
Don't AD's make a fortune?

Takes longer.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:37:19 am
The truth is that the people that matter like jeff long. Most of the people here that dislike jeff long, don't matter when it comes to his job.

The truth is...

1. If JL hires an up and comer to see if he can be the next lightning in a bottle and doesn't work out these idiots would say "He is an idiot and can't be trusted to hire coaches!!!!"

2. If JL hires a successful coach away from a P5 conference with multiple titles and premier bowl appearances and he doesn't work out these idiots would say "He is an idiot and can't be trusted to hire coaches!!!!"

3. If JL hires a coach that wins a lot of games these idiots would say "He didn't hire him, he fell into his lap. He just got lucky!!!!"
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 11:37:24 am
Jeff Long is a man of integrity and a great leader of the UA programs. He’s well respected nationwide, charismatic, and an excellent businessman, more than capable of running a multi-million dollar athletics program. I like the guy a lot.

Having said that, the ultimate measure of success is wins and losses, and particularly football and basketball, and also baseball. Those are the ones all fans watch. And the success there solely depends on the quality of hires Long makes. Basically the AD controls the success of all those sports, via the guys he hires. So it’s all on him, ultimately. That entails having the gift of being able to recognize potential in people and having vision to see if that person can have success at the UA. This was Broyles’s biggest gift: he was an incredible visionary, in many ways. His best hires were lesser known people at the time; JFB saw their potential and gave them a chance. (McDonnell, Sutton, Richardson, Van Horn, etc).

Long has simply had only one home run hire, and that was Petrino, who we all know fell into his lap after pursuing other lesser candidates, and then he fired him. So I’m not sure if Petrino should count either. Mike Anderson is a good coach, but he’s not a home run hire either. Bret Bielema is a good coach, but he’s not at Petrino’s level, and results are showing he’s not even at Houston Nutt’s level as an SEC coach. Some of us were not sold on CBB when he was hired and said we were taking a step backwards from the Petrino days, while others were salivating over his Wisconsin success. Apples to oranges, this is Arkansas and this is the SEC. He’s just not ever shown to be a high-caliber coach. He’s not an offensive guru like Petrino, nor a defensive mastermind like Saban, or a special teams expert like Frank Beamer. He basically has no area of expertise.

Some are always asking ‘what big-name coach would come here?’. You’re already off base. Bielema is as big a name as you can get, but that’s necessarily the right track. The best coaches at Arkansas were not household names when they came here. But hiring those guys requires an AD who can identify them. And that’s where it gets sticky; Jeff hasn’t shown that talent to find those guys. He seems to have no ‘vision’, as he only seems to go after guys who are ‘known’ in some way (Grobe, Bowden, Mike Anderson, etc). All those guys are good, but my issue is, they can never be GREAT. There is no GREATNESS in those guys. I would rather roll the dice on an unproven guy with potential and have the chance to be GREAT, instead of just hiring another ‘good’ coach who will never get it done.


I think Long did the right thing with Petrino. I also think he has done a pretty good job of bringing "name" coaches to Arkansas in difficult circumstances. But you might have a point (or you might not). The problem at Arkansas, especially in football (and I think the Anderson hire falls into an entirely different category), is recruiting. This is argued back and forth endlessly on this site partly because, as another poster suggested, it can't be fixed (or easily fixed) so many don't want to acknowledge the fact ("diamonds in the rough" "coach-em up" "player development").

If that problem is acknowledged then Long's argument would be that the people in the best position to overcome it are "name" coaches. Now he might be wrong- you might be right- another more intuitive AD might see something in a small school coach or a coordinator and that might be a better hire than a name head coach. But how many ADs can you name who have done that in a situation like Arkansas? And just how do you think it would go down with the fan base if a John Pelfrey-type hire was made in football? This board would be howling for Long's scalp if that type of hire failed. This is a difficult job because the coach is caught between a rock and a hard spot- the somewhat unrealistic demands of the fan base and the realities of recruiting to Arkansas in the SEC
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:39:17 am
If this is all it takes to be given the keys to the Razorback Bugatti then that's why the hogs are in the athletic mess they're in.

I don't know you or many of your post, not meaning to knock you but I just don't get it.

A man of your stature should have some pull up on the hill. Can you wade in and offer some help? Please update us on the progress.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:44:03 am
A man of your stature should have some pull up on the hill. Can you wade in and offer some help? Please update us on the progress.

You have a little JL in you.  You deflect away from problems with the program to go after and question the credentials of the posters questioning the problems.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 12, 2017, 11:44:11 am
I think Long did the right thing with Petrino. I also think he has done a pretty good job of bringing "name" coaches to Arkansas in difficult circumstances. But you might have a point (or you might not). The problem at Arkansas, especially in football (and I think the Anderson hire falls into an entirely different category), is recruiting. This is argued back and forth endlessly on this site partly because, as another poster suggested, it can't be fixed (or easily fixed) so many don't want to acknowledge the fact ("diamonds in the rough" "coach-em up" "player development").

If that problem is acknowledged then Long's argument would be that the people in the best position to overcome it are "name" coaches. Now he might be wrong- you might be right- another more intuitive AD might see something in a small school coach or a coordinator and that might be a better hire than a name head coach. But how many ADs can you name who have done that in a situation like Arkansas? And just how do you think it would go down with the fan base if a John Pelfrey-type hire was made in football? This board would be howling for Long's scalp if that type of hire failed. This is a difficult job because the coach is caught between a rock and a hard spot- the somewhat unrealistic demands of the fan base and the realities of recruiting to Arkansas in the SEC
It would go down in flames, yes. If Long hired an unproven guy and he didn't work out, he would be hung in effigy.
He knows that and in my opinion goes the 'safe' route by only targeting known commodities for the major sports.
The bottom line is, though, he gets paid to make the right and best decisions for the UA's success. If that means the best choice is a proven guy, great. If it's the more unknown guy, he gets paid to make the tough decisions and have his neck on the line. That's exactly his job.

I agree that Arkansas job is a tough one. I'm on record many times in the past that the Ark football coach cannot be merely 'good', he must be 'great' at his job in order for Ark to hang in the SEC. We've had two exceptional coaches at Ark, Broyles and Petrino. We've had several 'good' coaches, but only two 'great' ones in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:44:50 am
Reply #32 in this thread...

Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf

There aren't any pictures so you might need to get someone to read it to you.

Like I said, you just believe Jeff Long when he saiys he didn't know about the affair. Keep kissing his backside, you'll learn the hard way.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:45:49 am
You have a little JL in you.  You deflect away from problems with the program to go after and question the credentials of the posters questioning the problems.

Thank you. That is very flattering.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:47:02 am
Like I said, you just believe Jeff Long when he saiys he didn't know about the affair. Keep kissing his backside, you'll learn the hard way.

So I give you notes of public record as evidence and you dismiss it in favor of your personal opinion which is EXACTLY what I accused you of. You just confirmed it. Now continue brigading like I also predicted.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 12, 2017, 11:53:35 am
Thank you. That is very flattering.

To some not all.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 01:29:05 pm
It would go down in flames, yes. If Long hired an unproven guy and he didn't work out, he would be hung in effigy.
He knows that and in my opinion goes the 'safe' route by only targeting known commodities for the major sports.
The bottom line is, though, he gets paid to make the right and best decisions for the UA's success. If that means the best choice is a proven guy, great. If it's the more unknown guy, he gets paid to make the tough decisions and have his neck on the line. That's exactly his job.

I agree that Arkansas job is a tough one. I'm on record many times in the past that the Ark football coach cannot be merely 'good', he must be 'great' at his job in order for Ark to hang in the SEC. We've had two exceptional coaches at Ark, Broyles and Petrino. We've had several 'good' coaches, but only two 'great' ones in my opinion.

To give the devil his due Petrino is a "great" coach (I'm not sure I'd put Broyles in that category but that's my opinion). I am absolutely sure that when Jackson leaves the pocket EVERY wr knows exactly, to the yard marker and to the second, where he is supposed to be and Jackson knows exactly where they will be. That was the way Bobby made up for his talent deficits at Arkansas- obsessive attention to detail on offense and I doubt any other coach in the country can equal it. The problem, as has been pointed out over and over, was that Bobby thought that his ability as a football coach placed him above the standards applied to others (and let's face it, it does, no other coach would have gone from disgrace to national prominence so quickly without the history even being mentioned on Saturday by the broadcasters). That is part of the reason I have such very firm opinion about him- a society cannot allow different rules and standards based abilities unrelated to the issue at hand. It seems a small thing ("just forgive Bobby, just this one time, because he brings us so much." And of course the next time and the next time). Even worse are the rationalizers ("he really didn't do anything more than a lot of people do and they aren't punished like he was". Except he used money that wasn't his to do it and lied about it and on and on). But to give in to that kind of thinking opens the door to a slippery slope where some are privileged and others are not.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 12, 2017, 01:31:30 pm
To some not all.

Who on this board wouldn't wanna be the AD for the University of Arkansas and make a cool $1.015 million a year?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 12, 2017, 02:12:24 pm
To give the devil his due Petrino is a "great" coach (I'm not sure I'd put Broyles in that category but that's my opinion). I am absolutely sure that when Jackson leaves the pocket EVERY wr knows exactly, to the yard marker and to the second, where he is supposed to be and Jackson knows exactly where they will be. That was the way Bobby made up for his talent deficits at Arkansas- obsessive attention to detail on offense and I doubt any other coach in the country can equal it. The problem, as has been pointed out over and over, was that Bobby thought that his ability as a football coach placed him above the standards applied to others (and let's face it, it does, no other coach would have gone from disgrace to national prominence so quickly without the history even being mentioned on Saturday by the broadcasters). That is part of the reason I have such very firm opinion about him- a society cannot allow different rules and standards based abilities unrelated to the issue at hand. It seems a small thing ("just forgive Bobby, just this one time, because he brings us so much." And of course the next time and the next time). Even worse are the rationalizers ("he really didn't do anything more than a lot of people do and they aren't punished like he was". Except he used money that wasn't his to do it and lied about it and on and on). But to give in to that kind of thinking opens the door to a slippery slope where some are privileged and others are not.
My personal opinion is that I do not fault Jeff Long either way for Petrino.
A pretty good case can be made that Long should have realized the talent Petrino had and gone to any length to keep him while punishing him and not tolerating what he did. We'll never know what all was discussed there. It's also easier to feel when you're #5 in the country that you can get rid of the problem and someone else can come in and keep the ball rolling. And it just doesn't work like that.
But I for one cannot bring myself to fault Long for firing him. He had grounds.
It's just one of those things that stinks for Razorback fans.

About Broyles, I consider him 'great' because he built Razorback football as we know it, and took it to its highest level in 1964. And played for another in 1969. Only two programs were better in that decade(Tex and Alabama). Fayetteville really was the end of the earth back then, so remote, so what Broyles did was a remarkable job in my opinion. Since he started it all, I still consider him the greatest Hog football coach ever.

This is my current list:
1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Bielema
7)Ford
8)Crowe
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on September 12, 2017, 02:15:16 pm
I'd put Hatfield ahead of Nutt.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogdomer on September 12, 2017, 02:17:56 pm
It would go down in flames, yes. If Long hired an unproven guy and he didn't work out, he would be hung in effigy.
He knows that and in my opinion goes the 'safe' route by only targeting known commodities for the major sports.
The bottom line is, though, he gets paid to make the right and best decisions for the UA's success. If that means the best choice is a proven guy, great. If it's the more unknown guy, he gets paid to make the tough decisions and have his neck on the line. That's exactly his job.

I agree that Arkansas job is a tough one. I'm on record many times in the past that the Ark football coach cannot be merely 'good', he must be 'great' at his job in order for Ark to hang in the SEC. We've had two exceptional coaches at Ark, Broyles and Petrino. We've had several 'good' coaches, but only two 'great' ones in my opinion.

Does it take a a good or a great coach to beat TCU, Texas Tech and Toledo at home?  How about Texas A&M?  Maybe the coach we have is neither good nor great.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 02:45:55 pm
My personal opinion is that I do not fault Jeff Long either way for Petrino.
A pretty good case can be made that Long should have realized the talent Petrino had and gone to any length to keep him while punishing him and not tolerating what he did. We'll never know what all was discussed there. It's also easier to feel when you're #5 in the country that you can get rid of the problem and someone else can come in and keep the ball rolling. And it just doesn't work like that.
But I for one cannot bring myself to fault Long for firing him. He had grounds.
It's just one of those things that stinks for Razorback fans.

About Broyles, I consider him 'great' because he built Razorback football as we know it, and took it to its highest level in 1964. And played for another in 1969. Only two programs were better in that decade(Tex and Alabama). Fayetteville really was the end of the earth back then, so remote, so what Broyles did was a remarkable job in my opinion. Since he started it all, I still consider him the greatest Hog football coach ever.

This is my current list:
1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Bielema
7)Ford
8)Crowe

Yes, you are right about Broyles and what he did for Arkansas football. He had a little easier time of it in the SWC but still he made Arkansas football relevant. In my mind the distinction between him and Petrino is that, like Nolan Richardson in basketball, Petrino brings a dimension to football that is unique, especially as a head coach- so many of whom, even the successful ones, are just "managers" (and I would include Sabin there although he does bring the "no excuses" standard to a new level). And like someone else posted, I think you underrate Hatfield. He was a pretty good coach, maybe better than either Nutt or Holtz (who seems to get a lot of mileage out of his Orange Bowl win).
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hobhog on September 12, 2017, 02:47:48 pm
Who on this board wouldn't wanna be the AD for the University of Arkansas and make a cool $1.015 million a year?

I thought everyone on here WAS the AD?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 02:49:37 pm
To give the devil his due Petrino is a "great" coach (I'm not sure I'd put Broyles in that category but that's my opinion). I am absolutely sure that when Jackson leaves the pocket EVERY wr knows exactly, to the yard marker and to the second, where he is supposed to be and Jackson knows exactly where they will be. That was the way Bobby made up for his talent deficits at Arkansas- obsessive attention to detail on offense and I doubt any other coach in the country can equal it. The problem, as has been pointed out over and over, was that Bobby thought that his ability as a football coach placed him above the standards applied to others (and let's face it, it does, no other coach would have gone from disgrace to national prominence so quickly without the history even being mentioned on Saturday by the broadcasters). That is part of the reason I have such very firm opinion about him- a society cannot allow different rules and standards based abilities unrelated to the issue at hand. It seems a small thing ("just forgive Bobby, just this one time, because he brings us so much." And of course the next time and the next time). Even worse are the rationalizers ("he really didn't do anything more than a lot of people do and they aren't punished like he was". Except he used money that wasn't his to do it and lied about it and on and on). But to give in to that kind of thinking opens the door to a slippery slope where some are privileged and others are not.

You keep saying this, and it still isn't true. She was on the payroll of the Foundation. She resigned some two weeks after she was hired. We've already established that she met the qualifications, and though she was 'knocking boots', that doesn't mean she wasn't doing her job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 02:53:09 pm
I thought everyone on here WAS the AD?

I thought everyone made $1.05m, we aren't doing anything productive.......
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The real Hogules on September 12, 2017, 03:04:04 pm
Its because Bjelema was a good hire at the time, they just dont want to admit it.mi have no clue why people hate Long short of ignorance. The dude does his job as well as anyone for what he has to work with
He had Bobby freaking Petrino to work with!
If he doesn't screw the pooch Petrino's still here! The $#!t would have blown over and we could have moved on.
Instead he fires the best damn head football coach to ever coach at the university of Arkansas.
I'm ALL for athletes making their grades, going to class and staying out of trouble, but why does having those types
of things have to come at the cost of victories on the gridiron?
Why can't we have both good kids and victories?
Jeff Long makes it sound as if it's and either/or type of situation, but I think he's dead wrong.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 12, 2017, 03:20:28 pm
I'd put Hatfield ahead of Nutt.
I love Hatfield, one of my favorite people, and very good coach.
The reason I put Nutt slightly ahead was because of SEC vs SWC. They both did some very good things at times, and you could argue Nutt had a little more difficult road.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on September 12, 2017, 03:24:34 pm
I said it at the time Long fired Petrino and hired Smiley and I will say it again.  We should print bumper stickers and t-shirts that proclaim our (actual) motto:

"Arkansas - Too Stupid To Win"

Does anyone think Bama would fire Saban for what Petrino did?  For that matter, does anyone think any of us would ever even know about it?  The girl would be paid off and sign the equivalent of a gag order, the AD would tell everyone to keep his mouth shut, and the program would roll right along. 

Long had his Jerry Jones-Jimmy Johnson moment when he decided any ol' coach could win at Arkansas.  That's because he doesn't understand Arkansas football and all the factors that surround it, doesn't understand what it takes to win in the SEC, and wouldn't know the right football coach for the situation if he tripped over him.  If Bielema leaves and Long gets the chance to hire his replacement, it will be pure luck if we end up any better off than we are right now.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 12, 2017, 03:27:25 pm
I said it at the time Long fired Petrino and hired Smiley and I will say it again.  We should print bumper stickers and t-shirts that proclaim our (actual) motto:

"Arkansas - Too Stupid To Win"

Does anyone think Bama would fire Saban for what Petrino did?  For that matter, does anyone think any of us would ever even know about it?  The girl would be paid off and sign the equivalent of a gag order, the AD would tell everyone to keep his mouth shut, and the program would roll right along. 

Long had his Jerry Jones-Jimmy Johnson moment when he decided any ol' coach could win at Arkansas.  That's because he doesn't understand Arkansas football and all the factors that surround it, doesn't understand what it takes to win in the SEC, and wouldn't know the right football coach for the situation if he tripped over him.  If Bielema leaves and Long gets the chance to hire his replacement, it will be pure luck if we end up any better off than we are right now.
You cannot let this man hire the next coach here. Maybe he'll resign.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 12, 2017, 03:31:44 pm
Jeff is Long on Fund raising but SHORT on RESULTS!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 03:56:34 pm
You keep saying this, and it still isn't true. She was on the payroll of the Foundation. She resigned some two weeks after she was hired. We've already established that she met the qualifications, and though she was 'knocking boots', that doesn't mean she wasn't doing her job.

He supplemented her salary with his personal money which was a breach of contract.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Gonzo on September 12, 2017, 04:01:55 pm
"Supplemented her salary"? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: 12247 on September 12, 2017, 05:17:01 pm
Hello Ryan MalletsEgo.  I am going to remove one of your bucket list items.  I was never ever behind BB as the HC.  Didn't know he was available when hired.  If i was the absolute authority and could have solely made the pick for our new HC, BB would not have been chosen, period.  Just one reason, his choice of style.  It goes to the old axiom, you cannot out BAMA, BAMA.  Arkansas will never be successful trying to power run the ball against SEC competition.  We do not get the personnel to power run the ball that well.  Case closed, No doubt in my mind. Ain't gonna happen.  No to BB, period.  And after I decided  what I know about running the ball in the SEC, my second reason for not hiring BB would be, why hire a power running coach who will be forced to eventually operate a system he doesn't believe in when I can hire someone who is OK with a passing and running attack and is willing to do either in a split second.

Now, the big moment.  Is the bucket list ready:::::I would have offered the job to Gus Malzahn first and he would taken it in my opinion.  If not, my second choice would have been Butch Davis and I believe he would have taken the job.  I would have gone after an up and comer before BB.  BB was never a fit here, never.  And I say that and said that long before I realized the personality he has and the poor developer of attitude he is.  BB never, ever stood a chance with his style of play if winning games was important.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 06:50:06 pm
He supplemented her salary with his personal money which was a breach of contract.

Not true. He gave her the money as a gift (which was a stupid move). It had nothing to do with her salary. He gave it to her while she was working for the Razorback Foundation which is separate from the University.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on September 13, 2017, 12:11:17 am
You keep saying this, and it still isn't true. She was on the payroll of the Foundation. She resigned some two weeks after she was hired. We've already established that she met the qualifications, and though she was 'knocking boots', that doesn't mean she wasn't doing her job.

That is about as weak as it gets. Let me make myself clear. He hired her with money that wasn't his as a reward for her letting him bang her- not because she was so damn good at her job ("player development coordinator"- whatever that was supposed to be). If you want to idolize Bobby go ahead but don't fudge the facts of what happened as if there is some mitigating excuse hidden there. Petrino's abuse of power was breath taking for the sheer arrogance and for the disregard of everyone around him it betrayed.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 12:14:12 am
Not true. He gave her the money as a gift (which was a stupid move). It had nothing to do with her salary. He gave it to her while she was working for the Razorback Foundation which is separate from the University.

i really cant unstupid you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 13, 2017, 06:48:17 am
That is about as weak as it gets. Let me make myself clear. He hired her with money that wasn't his as a reward for her letting him bang her- not because she was so damn good at her job ("player development coordinator"- whatever that was supposed to be). If you want to idolize Bobby go ahead but don't fudge the facts of what happened as if there is some mitigating excuse hidden there. Petrino's abuse of power was breath taking for the sheer arrogance and for the disregard of everyone around him it betrayed.

who is fudging facts? I've already said his hiring of her was stupid dumb. And I don't idolize him. Neither do I make him out to be on par with Pol Pot. You seem to have taken the whole incident entirely too personal, and sound like a jilted lover. Maybe you are the one who set him on a pedestal, and when he fell off, had to overcompensate.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 07:21:09 am
No one GAF about grades until Long fired Petrino, which led to ESPN glorifying us, which led to the sheep falling for everything that self-supporting ego maniac said, which led to a fan base that thinks he's something he's not. Jeff Long is only worried about Jeff Long. He lied to support his cause to her Petrino out (he didn't want to hire him, he was mad because he got his toes stepped on and forced to hire Petrino instead of Grobe), he dismissed a rape scandal instead of doing what was truly honorable and full of integrity. He has as much honor and integrity as Bill Clinton. Which ironically, he put that piece of trash on a pedestal in front of the fans at Bud Walton as well. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 13, 2017, 07:22:49 am
Jeff is Long on Fund raising but SHORT on RESULTS!

Raising funds is a result. Just not the one some get all emotional about.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 07:34:47 am
You didn't read his notes did you. I posted them a few posts up to answer that question for you. You guys can stop speculating if you would just read the notes, but you don't have the attention span to read them. It is easier to act pissed over a Jeff Long lie while defending many Bobby Petrino lies. You guys can see in the notes that he asked Bobby to help him find  way to defend his actions and act like Bobby is the lesser of the 2 evils here.

This thread is an example of how many win at all costs fans we have, and how stupid they are willing to act to justify that position.

You want to bring Long's notes into it? Let's do it.  I have 200+ pages of everything that went down during that ordeal. I can show you COUNTLESS lies but that POS AD. So if you or anyone else want to sit down and go through it, message me.

And maybe Long didn't know, but everyone else up there did; including his right hand man Chris Wyrick. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 13, 2017, 07:36:39 am
who is fudging facts? I've already said his hiring of her was stupid dumb. And I don't idolize him. Neither do I make him out to be on par with Pol Pot. You seem to have taken the whole incident entirely too personal, and sound like a jilted lover. Maybe you are the one who set him on a pedestal, and when he fell off, had to overcompensate.
Just keep up your game in the way you do. All these few folks on here are going to do is keep calling you names and charging you with the BP thing. Its weak and all they got. This is a poll about Jeff Long and I'm not sure but think he prolly is the one who technically hires and fires them. Either way the other side of this thing , we'll call them the Jeffies, are going to bring Bobby into it cuz its all they got.

This Poll was about choices 1),2) or3). I actually considered asking for no comments to be made but deferred as now the Jeffies have become entertaining. Always remember they are Jeff fans not Hog fans. No real Hog fan would ever be OK with this buyout,the company line being"its not about wins and losses but grades and uncommonness, or the big thing which is the product on the field and asctally the idea of it taking 5-7-9 years to get your system in.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on September 13, 2017, 09:40:41 am
who is fudging facts? I've already said his hiring of her was stupid dumb. And I don't idolize him. Neither do I make him out to be on par with Pol Pot. You seem to have taken the whole incident entirely too personal, and sound like a jilted lover. Maybe you are the one who set him on a pedestal, and when he fell off, had to overcompensate.

You may have something there- let's break it down. Petrino was (is) a damn good coach- very possibly the best coach Arkansas will ever have. Petrino, based on his actions, is also a poor excuse for a human being and not a person worthy of representing the state. If he hadn't betrayed the school, players and fans for his own selfish indulgencies he might still be the coach and we might have a decent football team. But his narcissism was such that the school, the players and the fans just didn't matter enough in something as ethically clear as not using money that wasn't his to hire his mistress to a sham job, I assume partly so that she would be available on trips (and partly as a reward for "services rendered").

Now arguments have broken out on this site (again) regarding culpability and a lot of fans posting here seem to want to place blame on Jeff Long for firing Petrino. There are a number of arguments but they break down into categories: 1) I don't care what he did all I care about is winning; 2) what he did wasn't so bad- a lot of men cheat on their wives and that is between them; 3) he might have made a little mistake but Jeff Long could have overlooked it; 4) Jeff Long knew what was going on all of the time and is a hypocrite and a martyr to "integrity" and look where that has gotten us.

Bobby just gets a free pass from these fans. The embarrassment caused the school and the state are nothing compared to winning. Being an honest, ethical person is okay but not too important in the great scheme of things. Is that really the standard you and others want to hand down to your children? Is that the Christian standard? Jackson Browne had a line in a song once that sums it up pretty well "Nothing survives but the way we live our lives".
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 09:41:52 am
He supplemented her salary with his personal money which was a breach of contract.

Wrong.  Go review your notes from Jeffi and you will see the truth. The money he gave her was at Christmas.  She was hired the following March. ANOTHER lie Long told.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Dr Carl aka Shorthog on September 13, 2017, 09:46:02 am
I can't stand Long. He is overrated imo. Not sure why he gets the praise he does.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 13, 2017, 09:51:10 am
Wrong.  Go review your notes from Jeffi and you will see the truth. The money he gave her was at Christmas.  She was hired the following March. ANOTHER lie Long told.

Exactly! +1000!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 13, 2017, 09:52:44 am
So I give you notes of public record as evidence and you dismiss it in favor of your personal opinion which is EXACTLY what I accused you of. You just confirmed it. Now continue brigading like I also predicted.

long might not have known, but I find it hard to believe that nobody in the athletic department knew of the affair before the wreck
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoglady on September 13, 2017, 10:22:27 am
I would wager that if Broyles had been AD he would have known what was going down.
And it would have been addressed long before that motorcycle ran into the ditch.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 10:58:37 am
Wrong.  Go review your notes from Jeffi and you will see the truth. The money he gave her was at Christmas.  She was hired the following March. ANOTHER lie Long told.

So if I wanted to hire someone for more money than they could be paid for the university, and gave that person a supplement right before they got hired, that's cool? Ya ok. You love your loopholes don't ya.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 11:17:25 am
And we're nowhere near the top of the SEC in grades. So at what cost are we below mediocre??   

http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/05/2017-ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-apr-rankings-by-conference
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 11:19:54 am
So if I wanted to hire someone for more money than they could be paid for the university, and gave that person a supplement right before they got hired, that's cool? Ya ok. You love your loopholes don't ya.

Right before??? Three months isn't "right before". Hell, the position she applied for wasn't even available at the time of the gift.  Geez. Quit believing everything you're told by Jeffi by and his media.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 04:04:12 pm
I voted #3 as he has a 19-43 record in the SEC and I think he's the wrong person for the job in other ways. Such as the constant pumping up of the grades and graduation rates like they are as important as winning games and not being embarrassed regularly.I think the grades and graduation issues are important but as long as we're within NCAA limitations,I'm fine. For example. In all the years and games I went to I never looked down there and said" Boy ole #73 has a 3.99 overall GPA" WOW, I'm proud of that. If he has a 2.6 and is wrecking backfields from the DT spot, I'm just fine.

He. Ant even really use it since we're 10th in SEC in academic progress.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bigeasyhog on September 14, 2017, 06:03:57 am
Lol wow. Hell of a time to double down on the winning doesn't matter stuff. Wow wow wow.

I miss Frank Broyles. For all his faults...you never would've heard him relate to fans this message that winning doesn't matter or is secondary. Especially the day or so after a terrible loss at home.

Personally, I find it extremely weak on Jeff Longs' part to make the quick leap to the " win at all costs.." comment. Clearly, he's insinuating, by this somewhat veiled comment, that either you have to be willing to cheat in order to win at a high level, or our conference rivals sell out to that in order to achieve high level winning results. Actually, I think it's probably both.
That said, outside of Ole Miss currently, I'm not aware of any other SEC program under serious investigation? Although, I have always considered Auburn to be the SMU of the SEC ( no , I can't prove anything).

What's strange is, I hadn't noticed any chatter about fans or alumni promoting a " win at all costs..." agenda prior to his remarks earlier this week.
The last time I can even recall us having any issues was at the end of the Ford tenure. There was an alum in the Dallas area that was employing some players, and apparently, he was being a little generous with the compensation.
When I look back to various periods under coaches like Holtz, Hatfield and even Nutt and Petrino, we have been able to win , at times, at a high level ad garner national recognition. And, for the most part, we've done it the right way.
I don't think it's unrealistic to have higher expectations than what we are receiving. I believe Arkansas is a program , with the right coach, that can compete and should be able to be in the running for the division occasionally , and actually get to the tote game, which we've already done three times.
( que the excuse makers here with rival issues, etc in 95 or 02, whatever)
Lastly, if we're going to place academics over on the field success, then why are we investing top 20 finances in coaches and facilities? And in that vein, it appears that if our priority is on academics, etc there's half a dozen conference rivals beating us there AND on the field, so apparently we're not that competitive in any arena. Jeff Long is not, and never will be"fully invested " personally in our program, because,simply he's not one of us; he's not a native or an alum. It's just a career position for him. He doesn't have to walk out of the luxury box during a close game like Broyles did, because he doesn't live and die with every play, nor will he ever.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Uberanubis on September 14, 2017, 06:47:00 am
It shouldn't have been necessary to make a hire then because there shouldn't have been a vacancy. Firing BP was a major mistake. A competent AD doesn't fire a Head coach who just led his team to a #12 and #5 final national ranking in back to back seasons while running a clean program that isn't even close to being investigated ny the NCAA, he handles it in house. Suspend him for a couple of months and dock his pay? Yes, but don't fire him.

IF YOU HIRE YOUR Frank BUDDY AS A COWORKER YOU ARE MAKING THE INSTITUTION LIABLE FOR A LAW SUIT. it is against federal law because it violates the EOA. knuckle daggers just don't understand. HE HAD TO BE FIRED.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggie17 on September 14, 2017, 07:08:38 am
Jeff Long hung CBB around our necks with the Hugh buyout. It was not in the best interest of Arkansas football.  We need an AD thinks or our program first and his friends much further down the page. How many more mistakes will Long continue to make.

I don't trust him to do what is right for our athletic department, and for that reason I want another AD. It should be someone that bleeds Razorback Red. It would be much better if he came in with the attitude of making Arkansas a national power. It can be done, Broyles did it.  Winning can be done, BP did it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BigE_23 on September 14, 2017, 08:22:46 am
Reply #32 in this thread...

Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf

There aren't any pictures so you might need to get someone to read it to you.

If you scroll down in Bobby's personnel file you'll find several memos that indicate CBP was paid bonuses for good APR numbers. That's not possible though, right?

Jeff told us that the program was in the tank just a few months later! We needed Bert to come rescue us from the sins of Bobby Petrino's reckless leadership. We needed someone who would build "the program the right way" and didn't care about "winning at all costs".

Perhaps Bobby wasn't the one entirely responsible for the drop in numbers, and maybe the bulk of that dipped under Smiley??
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoghearted on September 14, 2017, 08:30:01 am
You may have something there- let's break it down. Petrino was (is) a damn good coach- very possibly the best coach Arkansas will ever have. Petrino, based on his actions, is also a poor excuse for a human being and not a person worthy of representing the state. If he hadn't betrayed the school, players and fans for his own selfish indulgencies he might still be the coach and we might have a decent football team. But his narcissism was such that the school, the players and the fans just didn't matter enough in something as ethically clear as not using money that wasn't his to hire his mistress to a sham job, I assume partly so that she would be available on trips (and partly as a reward for "services rendered").

Now arguments have broken out on this site (again) regarding culpability and a lot of fans posting here seem to want to place blame on Jeff Long for firing Petrino. There are a number of arguments but they break down into categories: 1) I don't care what he did all I care about is winning; 2) what he did wasn't so bad- a lot of men cheat on their wives and that is between them; 3) he might have made a little mistake but Jeff Long could have overlooked it; 4) Jeff Long knew what was going on all of the time and is a hypocrite and a martyr to "integrity" and look where that has gotten us.

Bobby just gets a free pass from these fans. The embarrassment caused the school and the state are nothing compared to winning. Being an honest, ethical person is okay but not too important in the great scheme of things. Is that really the standard you and others want to hand down to your children? Is that the Christian standard? Jackson Browne had a line in a song once that sums it up pretty well "Nothing survives but the way we live our lives".

Point 1: Bobby did not 'betray' the school, the players, or the fans. He betrayed his wife, which is reprehensible. However, he did embarrass the school, which violated his contract, and left him subject to dismissal.

Point 2: I don't know that it is a 'sham' job. Is it a position common to collegiate sports? Certainly it made their liasion more convenient.

Point 3: Certainly Long was within his rights to terminate him. However, I think he handled it badly, insofar as how it impacted Razorback football. He deserved an Oscar for that tear filled press conference. It shone a bright light on an event that probably would have dropped off the media's radar within a couple weeks. The program still hasn't recovered from it. Instead, Long, being a marketing genius, used it to burnish his image as some sort of superior, moral authority. Even going so far as to sign off on those ridiculous t-shirts. Why else do you think he was selected to chair that committee?

So to sum up: what Bobby did was not only bad, but incredibly stupid. Long was within his rights to terminate, but could have handled it in a way that was more beneficial to the program. He ended up using it for his own ends (not that I think it was some kind of master plan, it just fell in his lap).
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 14, 2017, 09:03:31 am
long might not have known, but I find it hard to believe that nobody in the athletic department knew of the affair before the wreck

Long knew about it as did everyone in the BAC. The Long huggers are scared to death that the truth will come out and Long will be exposed. Hoggycat has them on the run though. Notice that None of the Long huggers have bothered to accept his offer to buy their lunch and look at the evidence he has.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bigeasyhog on September 14, 2017, 09:44:53 am
It's really pretty simple we made a mercenary hire in Long. He's not a native or an alum. Now, it can work with a "hired gun", but you have to acknowledge it for it is going into that type of transaction. Further, you have to understand that not all mercenaries are equal, and able to perform and excel the same. Knowing that, you have to have the mindset, going in, that if said hired gun can't accomplish the mission, you terminate the relationship and its next up.
There's no doubt in my mind an AD with ties to the school is going to work a little harder, a little longer and be more invested in the end product day in, day out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bigeasyhog on September 14, 2017, 10:14:14 am
Also, what kind of legacy hire did he make while at Pitt? Again, a mercenary post for him. Bet Pitt wouldn't be falling over themselves to get him back either.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 14, 2017, 10:39:42 am
It's really pretty simple we made a mercenary hire in Long. He's not a native or an alum. Now, it can work with a "hired gun", but you have to acknowledge it for it is going into that type of transaction. Further, you have to understand that not all mercenaries are equal, and able to perform and excel the same. Knowing that, you have to have the mindset, going in, that if said hired gun can't accomplish the mission, you terminate the relationship and its next up.
There's no doubt in my mind an AD with ties to the school is going to work a little harder, a little longer and be more invested in the end product day in, day out.

[CENSORED] it. David Bazzel for AD. Scooter Register for head coach.

In one fell swoop, we've saved Arkansas football. Let's call it a day, boys.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 14, 2017, 04:04:27 pm
how did this guy get hired, when the football program at pitt tanked under him?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: factchecker on September 14, 2017, 04:12:23 pm
how did this guy get hired, when the football program at pitt tanked under him?

Pitt football previous 5 years before Long's arrival:  30-29
Pitt football during Long's 5 years: 32-28
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 14, 2017, 04:17:33 pm
Pitt football previous 5 years before Long's arrival:  30-29
Pitt football during Long's 5 years: 32-28

played in the fiesta bowl, then he hires dave wannstedt.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: factchecker on September 14, 2017, 04:20:14 pm
played in the fiesta bowl, then he hires dave wannstedt.

Who ended up being a pretty good hire.

Wannstedt finished up at Pitt with a 42-31 record.  He went 9-4, 10-3, and 7-5 his last three seasons.  Not great but sure a hell not tanking.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 14, 2017, 04:20:49 pm
played in the fiesta bowl, then he hires dave wannstedt.

....then he flatly refused to fire him when the program tanked. If Arkansas hadn't offered him the AD job, he would have eventually been fired from Pitt.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: factchecker on September 14, 2017, 04:22:53 pm
....then he flatly refused to fire him when the program tanked. If Arkansas hadn't offered him the AD job, he would have eventually been fired from Pitt.

Wannstedt finished up at Pitt with a 42-31 record.  He went 9-4, 10-3, and 7-5 his last three seasons.  Not great but sure a hell not tanking.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 14, 2017, 04:23:21 pm
....then he flatly refused to fire him when the program tanked. If Arkansas hadn't offered him the AD job, he would have eventually been fired from Pitt.

More Guvism's.....
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 14, 2017, 04:27:46 pm
More Guvism's.....

Get on a Pitt board and ask them what they think of Jeff Long. You won't like their responses.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on September 14, 2017, 04:27:49 pm
Wannstedt finished up at Pitt with a 42-31 record.  He went 9-4, 10-3, and 7-5 his last three seasons.  Not great but sure a hell not tanking.

turned it around under new ad
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 14, 2017, 04:45:49 pm
Get on a Pitt board and ask them what they think of Jeff Long. You won't like their responses.

I couldn't care less what they have to say, I'd put their thoughts right up there with yours. Everyone craps on the guy that leaves.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 14, 2017, 04:47:32 pm
I couldn't care less what they have to say, I'd put their thoughts right up there with yours. Everyone craps on the guy that leaves.

They were crapping on him before he left. Many wanted him fired.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 14, 2017, 04:57:21 pm
They were crapping on him before he left. Many wanted him fired.

How many, do you have a definitive number, can you provide a link to this number?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on September 14, 2017, 05:02:08 pm
Get on a Pitt board and ask them what they think of Jeff Long. You won't like their responses.

Which Pitt board did you visit to discern this information?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on September 14, 2017, 05:04:22 pm
They were crapping on him before he left. Many wanted him fired.

Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica and mythomania) is a behavior of habitual or compulsive lying. It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck. Although it is a controversial topic, pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime". Individuals may be aware they are lying or may believe they are telling the truth. Sometimes, however, the individuals may be lying to make their lives seem more exciting when in reality they believe their lives are unpleasant or boring.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 14, 2017, 06:51:42 pm
Long knew about it as did everyone in the BAC. The Long huggers are scared to death that the truth will come out and Long will be exposed. Hoggycat has them on the run though. Notice that None of the Long huggers have bothered to accept his offer to buy their lunch and look at the evidence he has.
Stay focused. This poll ain't bout Bobby, or anything else. Don't let the Jeffies distract you and get you distracted about something that happened 6 years ago. Keep it on Jeff.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 15, 2017, 08:09:51 pm
4+ days, 2799 views, 256 people voted so far. 177 of them feel Jeff Long is not the guy for Arkansas. That's just short of 70%.30 % feel like he should stay. Only 11 percent wit Coach B.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 17, 2017, 01:04:18 pm
I notice that people are still voting on this. With there being 2 distinct sides its prolly best that comments are left out. I do wonder why there are so many views and not as many votes.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on September 17, 2017, 01:11:23 pm
The man is a fink.  A rat fink who threw us under the bus so he could promote himself.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on September 17, 2017, 01:30:05 pm
I do wonder why there are so many views and not as many votes.

Views are inclusive of repeat views......Viewers can vote only 1 time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on September 17, 2017, 01:50:53 pm
Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf

 Gee thank's... A little "light" reading never hurt anyone... I wonder if the percentage rate of complete readership is compatible with poster vitriol; and if Steef can come up with a ratio via poll to determine who is "bitchier" between people who read all to completion, people who read a little and got tired(me) and/or people who can bearly reed or don't won't too read two much to soon..?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: wachhog on September 17, 2017, 02:01:31 pm
It
Arkansas joined the SEC in 1992.  Our first four head coaches were for the most part smashmouth coaches and during our first 16 seasons we never once made it to a BCS bowl or finished higher than 15th in the polls.  Some of us said for years that we COULD be a better program than we appeared to be, that we merely needed a better coach and the right approach, as in right for Arkansas.  We hired that coach in 2008 and by the end of 2011 we had played in the Sugar Bowl and finished in the top five.

It seemed obvious that the winning pattern had been identified.

So what does Long do?  He hires not just A smashmouth coach, but maybe THE smashmouth coach.  Again, a lot of us said at the time that it seemed foolish to try to out-Saban Saban and wondered why we hadn't learned anything from what had just happened. 

Long hired a name, but not the right name for Arkansas.  A sledgehammer can be a useful tool but if you are trying to change the battery in your watch it's not the best choice for the job.  I honestly don't think Long understands Arkansas, the SEC, and what it takes for us to be successful on the field.  That shouldn't surprise anyone, because he apparently didn't comprehend what it would have take at Pitt, either.
One wonders if there aren't some old smash mouth GOB dinosaurs still telling the AD what hires to make.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on September 17, 2017, 02:12:19 pm
It One wonders if there aren't some old smash mouth GOB dinosaurs still telling the AD what hires to make.

 Yes, and they ran off the Springdale Jesus too...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pig Worshipper on September 17, 2017, 02:55:43 pm

The problem isn't Jeff Long. I really don't like the high buy-out but, if you're able to have some perspective, Long has done a good job at Arkansas.

Our biggest problem, in my opinion, is do we play finesse football or power football? Bret Bielema, as much as I like him personally, is done. Oh, he will linger at least two, maybe three more years but he is done. To out-Alabama Alabama with power football would have taken a very disciplined approach. Bielema would immediately have had to begun a methodical Jim Grobe-style redshirting of all incoming linemen. He didn't do it and it doomed his opportunity here.

But, with our recruiting handicaps at Arkansas, an unusually disciplined redshirting program for linemen (no exceptions, all freshmen linemen are redshirted) is the only way the Hogs can ever be successful at smash mouth football, in my opinion. We are almost as far from being a power football team right now as we were the day Bielema was hired. That's on him.

Finesse football is the quickest way back to a possible 10-win season and I expect that's the kind of coach Long will hire in 2-3 years.


Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 17, 2017, 03:12:29 pm
The problem isn't Jeff Long. I really don't like the high buy-out but, if you're able to have some perspective, Long has done a good job at Arkansas.

Our biggest problem, in my opinion, is do we play finesse football or power football? Bret Bielema, as much as I like him personally, is done. Oh, he will linger at least two, maybe three more years but he is done. To out-Alabama Alabama with power football would have taken a very disciplined approach. Bielema would immediately have had to begun a methodical Jim Grobe-style redshirting of all incoming linemen. He didn't do it and it doomed his opportunity here.

But, with our recruiting handicaps at Arkansas, an unusually disciplined redshirting program for linemen (no exceptions, all freshmen linemen are redshirted) is the only way the Hogs can ever be successful at smash mouth football, in my opinion. We are almost as far from being a power football team right now as we were the day Bielema was hired. That's on him.

Finesse football is the quickest way back to a possible 10-win season and I expect that's the kind of coach Long will hire in 2-3 years.




No, the problem is Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on September 17, 2017, 03:17:23 pm
The problem isn't Jeff Long. I really don't like the high buy-out but, if you're able to have some perspective, Long has done a good job at Arkansas.

Our biggest problem, in my opinion, is do we play finesse football or power football? Bret Bielema, as much as I like him personally, is done. Oh, he will linger at least two, maybe three more years but he is done. To out-Alabama Alabama with power football would have taken a very disciplined approach. Bielema would immediately have had to begun a methodical Jim Grobe-style redshirting of all incoming linemen. He didn't do it and it doomed his opportunity here.

But, with our recruiting handicaps at Arkansas, an unusually disciplined redshirting program for linemen (no exceptions, all freshmen linemen are redshirted) is the only way the Hogs can ever be successful at smash mouth football, in my opinion. We are almost as far from being a power football team right now as we were the day Bielema was hired. That's on him.

Finesse football is the quickest way back to a possible 10-win season and I expect that's the kind of coach Long will hire in 2-3 years.




My God!  If he's done a good job, what would a bad job look like?  Long is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 17, 2017, 08:31:00 pm
My God!  If he's done a good job, what would a bad job look like?  Long is a nightmare.
29-43
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: rickfahr on September 18, 2017, 04:21:53 pm
Listened to the problem with Hogs sports in a radio interview last week.

Guys from the big Little Rock radio station were interviewing Long.

Problem 1: Those guys were too chicken&%*# to ask one question about Bielema. And that's an issue for all the state media. None of them hold anyone on The Hill accountable. They would lose "access."

Problem 2: Not once, not once, did Long mention anything on the field. All he talked about was money. Until the AD cares about winning, the coaches won't.

I understand how important money is. Yada. Yada. Yada. We are constantly ranked in the nation's top 20 in terms of revenue and profit. Yet, we don't reside there on the field.

I'm ready for that to change.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on September 18, 2017, 04:30:14 pm


Okayyy for the 10K time, what has Jeff Long done that is so damn great that is above and beyond his contractual job description as AD of the Hogs?  The SEC sends him so much money that you really can't F' up financially, at least you shouldn't be able to.

So what has he done that makes some of you go 'wow that's an awesome AD'?  I haven't seen anything.  Lawyers drafted the bond issue, not JL.  He took money from Jerry and built a BB practice facility that many inside the department were bitching the hogs didn't have, so that wasn't a great accomplishment.  It was right in the wheel house for what a SEC AD does.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jawhog on September 18, 2017, 04:42:47 pm
The problem is Jeff Long. Cut the life line and let him go.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 18, 2017, 07:09:42 pm
The problem is Jeff Long. Cut the life line and let him go.
Maybe a resignation and taking a new job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 19, 2017, 08:03:41 pm
Saw an article on yahoo front page of my computer bout several schools,Tennessee,LSU,and a couple of others whose AD's and head coach were being tied together and the AD's were on the hot seat.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RedRazorHog on September 19, 2017, 10:01:33 pm
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/

Aren't this votes on the Top AD's voted on by a body of AD's?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: codeHog on September 19, 2017, 10:56:31 pm
he looks at the dollar...........not Arkansas people. A robot could do that. We need a person that loves ARKANSAS and it's fans. Money will dry up with Long there
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on September 19, 2017, 11:11:48 pm
I actually like Long quite a bit as a person, and he's a good AD.
I don't think he has the 'gift' when it comes to hiring coaches. That instinct.

But beyond that, it's always bothered me that he's always seemingly been about mo' money, mo' money, mo' money. The insinuation has always been 'if we only had more revenue as a athletic dept', that's what's holding us back. The insinuation is that more revenue = more wins. It's never stated, but it's implied.

And that is a complete falsehood. There is no direct correlation between revenue and winning. Obviously you need money for facilities and salaries...but the fact is, Arkansas has always had enough money to build whatever needed to be built and pay coaches the market rate. Always.

The biggest factor in winning is the quality of the coaches that the AD hires (or fires). The head coach drives everything.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bvillepig on September 20, 2017, 01:26:40 am
What took you so long??

I realized that hiring Long was a mistake  when he tried to hire Tommy Bowden and Jim Grobe as Football HC while ignoring Bobby Petrino and then, he was force fed Mike Anderson like a baby in a high chair.

I'll admit that I gave him high marks for hiring Bret Bielema, he sure fooled me with that one. I really believed Bret would turn things around.
He did offer Grobe and a few of the foundation members refused to write the check so Grobe had to quietly take his name out of the hat is what I have been told. I took a wait and see on Bret and still am not sure what has gone on.  My guess would be that at the first sign of adversity the players bail on him because of all the extra non traditional stuff they go through. Jelly sandwiches,guys carrying mattresses around when there 5 minutes early but it's called late, benching them when the prof doesn't require them to be in class , etc.   I believe in discipline but it can backfire when your losing if you don't have total buy in.  Not eating three meals a day.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 22, 2017, 01:30:08 pm
People are still voting. At present it looks like 2/3 of the people think Long shouldn't be the man here. We'll check back after the game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HamSammich on September 22, 2017, 01:31:58 pm
Poll is illegitimate because there wasn't an option calling him a heartless yankee.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on September 22, 2017, 01:40:01 pm
People are still voting. At present it looks like 2/3 of the people think Long shouldn't be the man here. We'll check back after the game tomorrow.

Will be interesting to see the gameplan Jeff Long comes up with to light a fire under this offense. 

His moment is now.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 22, 2017, 04:30:24 pm
Will be interesting to see the gameplan Jeff Long comes up with to light a fire under this offense. 

His moment is now.
We have 16,000,000 reasons for him to get it right.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogsfan1981 on September 22, 2017, 05:07:01 pm
I believe Jeff Long will leave for something "Bigger and Better" eventually. I don't think it will even be an AD gig. I bet he has his eyes on something. I think he will just leave one day of his own accord.

He is a great AD. However, unfairly or not he will be judged mostly by how well CBB and CMA do(football /basketball W/L).

If they were winning more then no one would care. His reputation as an AD is all tied up in the wins and losses of the football and basketball programs. Nature of the beast. Nebraska just fired their AD right? I don't care much about that but I'm guessing he was fired because of football. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Cure on September 22, 2017, 05:43:05 pm
Great AD that most schools would love to have. I can completely understand the premature extension and big buyout gripe. I will say that he's done a lot on the hill behind the scenes that has changed the perception of what it means to be a student athlete at Arkansas and they are much better off for it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: LZH on September 22, 2017, 05:48:56 pm
It shouldn't have been necessary to make a hire then because there shouldn't have been a vacancy. Firing BP was a major mistake. A competent AD doesn't fire a Head coach who just led his team to a #12 and #5 final national ranking in back to back seasons while running a clean program that isn't even close to being investigated ny the NCAA, he handles it in house. Suspend him for a couple of months and dock his pay? Yes, but don't fire him.

Guv, are you ever going to accept the fact that long offered Petrino all of those things to keep his job? And Petrino basically told him to stick it, that he was calling his bluff. Petrino, no matter how good he could have been, was not bigger than our program.

It happened, trust me, it happened.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Marshfieldhog on September 22, 2017, 05:54:17 pm
Nothing about Jeff Long screams great AD. I don't know where people get that. That were glad he left Pitt and while he probably balances the budget ok, that doesn't make him a great AD just because the SEC sends big checks. I think he is average at best and has played the Petrino deal as far as he can. Don't forget he was a John White hire, that dude was toxic.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 22, 2017, 06:10:55 pm
Guv, are you ever going to accept the fact that long offered Petrino all of those things to keep his job? And Petrino basically told him to stick it, that he was calling his bluff. Petrino, no matter how good he could have been, was not bigger than our program.

It happened, trust me, it happened.
Guv, are you ever going to accept the fact that long offered Petrino all of those things to keep his job? And Petrino basically told him to stick it, that he was calling his bluff. Petrino, no matter how good he could have been, was not bigger than our program.

It happened, trust me, it happened.
I believe this is how it went down but then why does Long say that no such negotions(offers) were made.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 22, 2017, 06:11:46 pm
Guv, are you ever going to accept the fact that long offered Petrino all of those things to keep his job? And Petrino basically told him to stick it, that he was calling his bluff. Petrino, no matter how good he could have been, was not bigger than our program.

It happened, trust me, it happened.
Srry misses LZH on the quote function somehow.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: LZH on September 22, 2017, 06:18:01 pm
I believe this is how it went down but then why does Long say that no such negotions(offers) were made.

Because that's what and AD does? Maybe a private personal courtesy, because they were friends after all. Or at least Jeff thought so. He publicly denied it, but he kind of had to. However I have no doubt whatsoever that that went down exactly as we have all read.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RedRazorHog on September 22, 2017, 06:47:31 pm
4+ days, 2799 views, 256 people voted so far. 177 of them feel Jeff Long is not the guy for Arkansas. That's just short of 70%.30 % feel like he should stay. Only 11 percent wit Coach B.

I saw another poll on SurveyMonkey.com that linked from this board and it said something like 99.5% of people though Long needed to go or sumpin' like that too!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RedRazorHog on September 22, 2017, 06:48:58 pm
The problem isn't Jeff Long. I really don't like the high buy-out but, if you're able to have some perspective, Long has done a good job at Arkansas.

Our biggest problem, in my opinion, is do we play finesse football or power football? Bret Bielema, as much as I like him personally, is done. Oh, he will linger at least two, maybe three more years but he is done. To out-Alabama Alabama with power football would have taken a very disciplined approach. Bielema would immediately have had to begun a methodical Jim Grobe-style redshirting of all incoming linemen. He didn't do it and it doomed his opportunity here.

But, with our recruiting handicaps at Arkansas, an unusually disciplined redshirting program for linemen (no exceptions, all freshmen linemen are redshirted) is the only way the Hogs can ever be successful at smash mouth football, in my opinion. We are almost as far from being a power football team right now as we were the day Bielema was hired. That's on him.

Finesse football is the quickest way back to a possible 10-win season and I expect that's the kind of coach Long will hire in 2-3 years.

Disagree entirely.   I do not think Long has done a good job.  Please share the data that supports the supposition.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bondhue on September 22, 2017, 07:41:58 pm
Do you realize how many players got benched for the entire season - NC was set to contend for the ACC.
14 players missed at least one game and seven were forced to sit the entire season.
To still finish 8-5 was a miracle.
Best poster on Hogville.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jcbville on September 22, 2017, 08:24:52 pm
Send the Carpet Bagger packing Tarred and Feathered on a Northbound Train.

The Civil War ended like literally over a century ago. Thats more than a hundred. 152 years ago to be exact.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

Jeff Long isnt trying to sneak in your house at night to steal your wife or your southern manhood. You can put down the muzzle loader. Its over. Its ok. Its ok...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: WilsonHog on September 22, 2017, 08:27:26 pm
I'm amazed that educated people still use the term "carpetbagger" to refer to someone.

Says more about them than the person they're trying to insult.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bondhue on September 22, 2017, 08:39:08 pm
Personally, I find it extremely weak on Jeff Longs' part to make the quick leap to the " win at all costs.." comment. Clearly, he's insinuating, by this somewhat veiled comment, that either you have to be willing to cheat in order to win at a high level, or our conference rivals sell out to that in order to achieve high level winning results. Actually, I think it's probably both.
That said, outside of Ole Miss currently, I'm not aware of any other SEC program under serious investigation? Although, I have always considered Auburn to be the SMU of the SEC ( no , I can't prove anything).

What's strange is, I hadn't noticed any chatter about fans or alumni promoting a " win at all costs..." agenda prior to his remarks earlier this week.
The last time I can even recall us having any issues was at the end of the Ford tenure. There was an alum in the Dallas area that was employing some players, and apparently, he was being a little generous with the compensation.
When I look back to various periods under coaches like Holtz, Hatfield and even Nutt and Petrino, we have been able to win , at times, at a high level ad garner national recognition. And, for the most part, we've done it the right way.
I don't think it's unrealistic to have higher expectations than what we are receiving. I believe Arkansas is a program , with the right coach, that can compete and should be able to be in the running for the division occasionally , and actually get to the tote game, which we've already done three times.
( que the excuse makers here with rival issues, etc in 95 or 02, whatever)
Lastly, if we're going to place academics over on the field success, then why are we investing top 20 finances in coaches and facilities? And in that vein, it appears that if our priority is on academics, etc there's half a dozen conference rivals beating us there AND on the field, so apparently we're not that competitive in any arena. Jeff Long is not, and never will be"fully invested " personally in our program, because,simply he's not one of us; he's not a native or an alum. It's just a career position for him. He doesn't have to walk out of the luxury box during a close game like Broyles did, because he doesn't live and die with every play, nor will he ever.
Thank you so much for this post.  I heard on the radio that JL was tweeting this we aren't a win at all cost program crap.  He is creating a false dichotomy, a false "narrative."   Either you support him and CBB or you are a "win at all cost type of guy."  Some on here are parroting that line.  First I've ever heard of it at Arkansas. 

We want football played with passion.  Is that too much cost?
We want players who know their assignments?  Is that too much cost?
We would like to score some points in the second half of games.  Is that too much cost?
We would like offensive adjustments at half time.  Is that too much cost?
We would like competent special teams.  Is that too much cost?

Thank you Coach Rhodes.  Your guys were ready to play.  I dare say the cost was not to much.  Thank you defensive players for your effort against TCU.  I know the cost was not too great for you.  It was what you came here to do.

Let us hear no more of this false narrative of "win at all cost fans" at Arkansas.  It debases and demeans the greatness we have seen from Razorback players all of our lives, and makes it seem greatness can only be accomplished at too great a cost.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on September 22, 2017, 08:40:23 pm
I'm amazed that educated people still use the term "carpetbagger" to refer to someone.

Says more about them than the person they're trying to insult.

No doubt. +1
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: IronHog on September 22, 2017, 09:01:21 pm
I'm amazed that educated people still use the term "carpetbagger" to refer to someone.

Says more about them than the person they're trying to insult.


I'd say the carpetbagger problem is worse than ever 😄


That being said Long is an EXCELLENT athletic director outside of hiring football coaches.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkSoda on September 22, 2017, 09:06:34 pm
I'm amazed that educated people still use the term "carpetbagger" to refer to someone.

Says more about them than the person they're trying to insult.
just another word for yankee.  I doubt anyone who uses it on this site has any clue as to the origination of the term.

its not like hogville is known for its linguistic expertise.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on September 22, 2017, 09:12:26 pm
just another word for yankee.  I doubt anyone who uses it on this site has any clue as to the origination of the term.

its not like hogville is known for its linguistic expertise.

Of course, everyone knows the origin of the term.  And no, it is not just another term for Yankee.  It has a specific connotation.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: forrest city joe on September 22, 2017, 10:03:07 pm
It shouldn't have been necessary to make a hire then because there shouldn't have been a vacancy. Firing BP was a major mistake. A competent AD doesn't fire a Head coach who just led his team to a #12 and #5 final national ranking in back to back seasons while running a clean program that isn't even close to being investigated ny the NCAA, he handles it in house. Suspend him for a couple of months and dock his pay? Yes, but don't fire him.
+1000. it's what i was posting here 5 years ago. what i feared would happen to the program after CBP was fired has come true. and i get no pleasure out of it. in fact i wish i had been wrong.we went 6 and 2,in the sec two years in a row. 21 and 5,for those 2 years. only losses were to Alabama twice.Lsu who finished in the top 5 that year.Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl.and Auburn who won the NC with Cam Newton.we beat everyone else.finished 12th and 5th in the nation in back to back years.if nothing else,CBP proved Arkansas can be good in football again.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 22, 2017, 10:25:44 pm
+1000. it's what i was posting here 5 years ago. what i feared would happen to the program after CBP was fired has come true. and i get no pleasure out of it. in fact i wish i had been wrong.we went 6 and 2,in the sec two years in a row. 21 and 5,for those 2 years. only losses were to Alabama twice.Lsu who finished in the top 5 that year.Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl.and Auburn who won the NC with Cam Newton.we beat everyone else.finished 12th and 5th in the nation in back to back years.if nothing else,CBP proved Arkansas can be good in football again.
Now Joe the Jeffies are gonna come on here n tell you how ignorant  you are and Petrino had to be fired. Lets not talk about those good times in front of them. There's a few signature comebacks they'll have n you've mentioned one. Couldn't beat bama. I like the way you penned it. But I might add that nobody in the nation was beating them much at that time. Good to see you back on here.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: wachhog on September 22, 2017, 11:20:07 pm
The truth is...

1. If JL hires an up and comer to see if he can be the next lightning in a bottle and doesn't work out these idiots would say "He is an idiot and can't be trusted to hire coaches!!!!"

2. If JL hires a successful coach away from a P5 conference with multiple titles and premier bowl appearances and he doesn't work out these idiots would say "He is an idiot and can't be trusted to hire coaches!!!!"

3. If JL hires a coach that wins a lot of games these idiots would say "He didn't hire him, he fell into his lap. He just got lucky!!!!"
You are absolutely correct. Once Long hired and then fired Petrino.  it was over for him . He couldn't win with the fans. For him to hang around  is stupid.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: radar on September 22, 2017, 11:36:14 pm
Long was force fed Petrino, he wanted to hire Grobe or Bowden. The man has not hired a successful football coach at any school he worked.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 23, 2017, 02:54:08 pm
Long was force fed Petrino, he wanted to hire Grobe or Bowden. The man has not hired a successful football coach at any school he worked.
This is true.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 23, 2017, 03:44:39 pm
Please sticky this.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 24, 2017, 01:00:45 pm
Still about 2/3 of those voted feel Jeff Long is not the guy we need.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 24, 2017, 01:06:11 pm
I don't know what CBB's fate will be (I want him to succeed here), but Long needs to go away.  He just doesn't have the IT factor.  Very smarmy character.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 24, 2017, 01:09:53 pm
Sounds real impressive until you realize 8 SEC schools finished in the Top 25 of the Directors Cup and at 20, Arkansas was still 6th in the SEC.  And, of course, the best AD award is from two years ago and the main accomplishments listed in the write up were serving on the playoff committee, firing Petrino, and hiring Bielema.

So, as for the Directors' Cup, his performance is right in line with any middle of the pack SEC AD.  And as for the other...lol

Yes, and along with all that mediocrity we get a smarmy individual.  What's not to like?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Dark Helmet Hog on September 24, 2017, 01:11:09 pm
Jeff Long was White's hire to change the direction of athletics at Arkansas. White picked him because he fit his vision. What else do you need  to know?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 24, 2017, 01:21:48 pm
Sounds real impressive until you realize 8 SEC schools finished in the Top 25 of the Directors Cup and at 20, Arkansas was still 6th in the SEC.  And, of course, the best AD award is from two years ago and the main accomplishments listed in the write up were serving on the playoff committee, firing Petrino, and hiring Bielema.

So, as for the Directors' Cup, his performance is right in line with any middle of the pack SEC AD.  And as for the other...lol

Lefty08 said:
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread
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I think you should go back and read Hawgon's post (No. 4 after the OP—shown above), so you can see that Long is not what he'd like everyone t believe he is...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Dark Helmet Hog on September 24, 2017, 01:27:07 pm
Lefty08 said:
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread
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I think you should go back and read Hawgon's post (No. 4 after the OP—shown above), so you can see that Long is not what he'd like everyone t believe he is...

Please describe just how good Long is at his job. Whst exactly has he done to stand out? Was Bielema's buyout included as part of that good job?  Listening?

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 24, 2017, 01:36:08 pm
Jeff Long was White's hire to change the direction of athletics at Arkansas. White picked him because he fit his vision. What else do you need  to know?

The same "I need a shower John White" ?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 24, 2017, 01:45:10 pm
Can someone explain to me what Jeff Long does that is so damn magical.  Tell me something he does that is outside his job description.  Is being competent in what he's getting paid to do all of a sudden makes him a rock star?

He drew up a facilities plan and had the lawyers issue some bonds (borrow money) to pay for it.  He's convinced alumni to help out the athletic department with donations.  Ok, well there were names on the facilities before JL got to the hill so it's not like that was an earth shaking concept.

It's not like the hogs had a bad balance sheet and he had some special financial insight and balanced the budget or found a new line of revenue.  Pro teams have been hitting up fans during the game for years.

Someone tell me what is so great about him, other than doing the job he was hired for.

The same questions could have been asked about John White.  John White hired Jeff Long.  Hope that answers your very good questions.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hoggish1 on September 24, 2017, 01:50:32 pm
Its because Bjelema was a good hire at the time, they just dont want to admit it.mi have no clue why people hate Long short of ignorance. The dude does his job as well as anyone for what he has to work with

The dude does average for the SEC.  He is nothing special, only average.  And yes, CBB was a good hire at the time and I hope he turns this year around. 

But, CBB asked to be hired and that flattered JL.  JL is nothing special.  If you are a great AD you make chicken salad out of chicken sheet...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 24, 2017, 08:04:23 pm
The dude does average for the SEC.  He is nothing special, only average.  And yes, CBB was a good hire at the time and I hope he turns this year around. 

But, CBB asked to be hired and that flattered JL.  JL is nothing special.  If you are a great AD you make chicken salad out of chicken sheet...
I had problems with the hire of BB from the beginning. I thought we were onto,Patterson,Petersen or Gundy. These Offenses would have been an easier transition.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 25, 2017, 07:45:48 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on September 25, 2017, 08:41:10 pm
Bump

this must be your best thread. you have requested it be stickied and now youre bumping it lol.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 25, 2017, 08:45:28 pm
this must be your best thread. you have requested it be stickied and now youre bumping it lol.
People are still voting against your boy every day. 2 weeks and you Jeffies are still wanted gone by 2/3 of the people. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: code red on September 25, 2017, 08:45:58 pm
Got no issues with Long, per se. However, the extension and buyout were suspect when they were given. It wasn't a sound business decision based on performance.
And.  In this world of hunh. Why would you have to protect Bret Bielema?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on September 25, 2017, 08:46:17 pm
What I like most about JL is that he drives the dipshits crazy..
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 25, 2017, 09:56:56 pm
What I like most about JL is that he drives the dipshits crazy..
Jeffies n dipshats, what a crew. :)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on September 25, 2017, 11:13:51 pm
People are still voting against your boy every day. 2 weeks and you Jeffies are still wanted gone by 2/3 of the people. Have a nice day.
It's an interesting poll...I'm actually surprised by the numbers. Not surprised to see the usual suspects whine and cry about it. They have been dead wrong about nearly everything concerning Jeff Long and Bielema...this poll hurts their feelings.

I'm glad some eyes are beginning to open up about the current culture of our program. This gives me slight hope maybe someday things will change.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: secfan30 on September 25, 2017, 11:16:30 pm
29-43

I don't care one way or the other for Long, but I am curious what's this record you're speaking of? It seems to omit what Petrino did. Long hired Petrino.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Inhogswetrust on September 26, 2017, 06:43:58 am
just another word for yankee.  I doubt anyone who uses it on this site has any clue as to the origination of the term.

its not like hogville is known for its linguistic expertise.

No it isn't. Ironic since in some parts of the world the word Yankee refers to all Americans. In the US it generally is used by people that are from or born in the south that want to be a little insulting to northern Americans and still want to live in the past.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on September 26, 2017, 06:59:36 am
Jeffies n dipshats, what a crew. :)

Quick, trademark that name.......
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: logic on September 26, 2017, 07:17:01 am
I'll admit that I gave him high marks for hiring Bret Bielema, he sure fooled me with that one. I really believed Bret would turn things around.
Most of us did.  However, almost none of us would have given BB a big raise and increase the buyout by about $11 million after several years of losing football games.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: logic on September 26, 2017, 07:21:23 am
You guys do pretty well with this hindsight thing. Bielema was a homerun hire when the hire was made. It hasnt worked out for sure, but Long no doubt made a good hire at the time. He is also really good at his job, which involves much more than hiring football coaches. This is a dumb thread
Garbage! Even the drunk off the street wouldn't have increased the buyout by $11 million after several year at or near the bottom of the SEC.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: logic on September 26, 2017, 07:39:24 am
4-8 vs 3-9
8-5 vs 7-6
8-5 vs 8-5
8-5 vs 7-5

Those are his win totals by year at UNC. He would be eaten alive here for those numbers.
Are you blind?  3 out of 4 years were better at UNC and only a tie for the other year.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: longtimeHogfan on September 26, 2017, 07:53:17 am
With a few notable exceptions hiring coaches is a crap shoot.  They may possess the qualifications, experience, resume, personality and answer all the questions in the right way....and then not cut it.  Or they may do something that activates that 'for cause' clause.  So I don't fault Jeff Long for hiring CBB.  Or Jimmy Dykes.  Not everyone hits a grand slam every time at the plate.   

What I fault JL for is the contract extension and buy-out he gave CBB.  That's borderline criminal and by itself cause to replace him.  And we need to do that first....before any coaching changes.  The next candidate for the head job won't feel comfortable considering the job until he knows who his boss is going to be.   

So long, (pun intended) it's been good to know ya...
So long, it's been good to know ya....
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: logic on September 26, 2017, 07:58:58 am
I love Hatfield, one of my favorite people, and very good coach.
The reason I put Nutt slightly ahead was because of SEC vs SWC. They both did some very good things at times, and you could argue Nutt had a little more difficult road.
I liked Hatfield too. Hatfield did very well regular season because one week wasn't enough time to prepare for the wishbone or flexbone as Hatfield called it since few if any other teams ran the wishbone.  However, Hatfield was lousy in bowl games because teams had plenty of time to prepare.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: longtimeHogfan on September 26, 2017, 08:09:43 am
I liked Hatfield too. Hatfield did very well regular season because one week wasn't enough time to prepare for the wishbone or flexbone as Hatfield called it since few if any other teams ran the wishbone.  However, Hatfield was lousy in bowl games because teams had plenty of time to prepare.

Most of Ken's conference opponents had five years to figure out how to defense his offense.  So, time to prepare?  Not sure I buy that.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on September 26, 2017, 08:10:27 am
No it isn't. Ironic since in some parts of the world the word Yankee refers to all Americans. In the US it generally is used by people that are from or born in the south that want to be a little insulting to northern Americans and still want to live in the past.

It's also the name of a prominent Professional baseball team.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: logic on September 26, 2017, 08:38:48 am
Most of Ken's conference opponents had five years to figure out how to defense his offense.  So, time to prepare?  Not sure I buy that.   
That is true for the coaches, but it's not true for the players. In any event, as I recall, Hatfield did good regular season but not in the bowl games.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: longtimeHogfan on September 26, 2017, 09:16:47 am
That is true for the coaches, but it's not true for the players. In any event, as I recall, Hatfield did good regular season but not in the bowl games.

Has a familiar ring doesn't it? 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 26, 2017, 11:37:22 am
I don't care one way or the other for Long, but I am curious what's this record you're speaking of? It seems to omit what Petrino did. Long hired Petrino.
That's our record prior to Saturday and Bobby P. isn't on the title . Lots of ways to spin the Bobby thing. He's been gone 6 years and is a POS.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: 12247 on September 26, 2017, 02:54:01 pm
My opinion for the 47th time.
1.  Jeff did not understand the SEC in football
2.  As proof of #1, he would not have considered Bret and his power run offense at all for the job if he understood the SEC
3.  Jeff didn't understand the recruiting power of Arkansas as opposed to the SEC, though he should have.
4,  You didn't have to know any more than #2 to realize Bret wasn't the one for us.
5.  As AD, I believe he upped the buyout and increased the length of contract after a the 3-9 season, but admit, I am not sure, could been the following year.  Still not smart.
6.  I did read most of the notes Long made during the Petrino thing.  I don't consider asking Petrino to tell why he shouldn't fire him as giving him an opportunity to stay.  It's my personal opinion that Long couldn't stand Petrino and his ego attitude.   Its further my opinion that Long seen Petrino as proof that about anyone could win here.  Afterall an ego bound, [CENSORED] could so why not.
7.  Long didn't expect the positive press he got from firing Petrino.  Very few ADs would have fired the Guy but  none could publicly state that after Long did it. 
8.  Long should have reworked Petrinos contract dismissed his girlfriend and claimed he didn't know and reopened the job for applicants.
9.  Petrino would have been given a tighter contract as to who run the operation and how things worked and would have been given the opportunity to refuse it. 
10.  Many here still believe firing Petrino saved the University lawsuits.  The damage had already been done previous to Petrino being fired.  Any lawsuits that could have been filed  still could have been filed and truthfully, maybe still could be filed depending on statutes of limitations.
Title: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 26, 2017, 05:14:52 pm
Quite simply, changes are required at the top.  I suggest Chuck Dicus or Bill Montgomery as the new AD.  Frankly, Long is not one of us.  What are the powers that be waiting for?  After all, isn't this a business?  This business model isn't working.  And, when the Allen era ends, Cole Kelley deserves a head coach that fits his style.  I suggest Holtz at La Tech or the Memphis coach. 
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: jacobp on September 26, 2017, 05:43:32 pm
That’s where you’re wrong. The “business model” is working just fine.

Why rock the boat when you’re still pulling in all that $$
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 26, 2017, 05:53:07 pm
From that viewpoint...quite true!  All those skyboxes are filled, but the cheap seats remain quiet..especially in LR.  That's what we need skyboxes in LR for the elite class!
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: HawgnCorona on September 26, 2017, 05:56:34 pm
That’s where you’re wrong. The “business model” is working just fine.

Why rock the boat when you’re still pulling in all that $$

Some people do operate their business at a loss for tax purposes, yes?
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: tusked on September 26, 2017, 05:57:00 pm
I have absolutely no confidence in the 'powers that be' at the UA.  I don't see them in anyway shape or form, booting Long.  That group has been out of touch with the fans for decades.  They are great at pulling money from big boosters and that's where there expertise stops.   After that they are average, very average at best.
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 26, 2017, 06:09:15 pm
I'll never forget the sound of those choppers coming through the fog in '69..no not in Vietnam or Dixon St..but, at THE Big Game.  There was pure HOG energy that day...that's what I hope for again.  And I don't mean after tailgating.  Perhaps Trump could come and lead a Hog call...that would be worth many votes if not ticket sales.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 26, 2017, 07:02:32 pm
I liked Hatfield too. Hatfield did very well regular season because one week wasn't enough time to prepare for the wishbone or flexbone as Hatfield called it since few if any other teams ran the wishbone.  However, Hatfield was lousy in bowl games because teams had plenty of time to prepare.
Sat with him at a game several years ago. You knew you were around greatness. The flexbone was fun to watch. Not sure of his exact numbers but I think he won round 50 games in 5 years.
Title: Re: Cha..Cha..Changes
Post by: 12247 on September 26, 2017, 07:11:11 pm
I have been around a long time being a Hog fan and I believe we've never had huge problems getting money from the big money people.  I am sure they required a few special things come their way but they were way overpaying for it.  I doubt Long is getting any more money from our typical boosters than about any decent person who showed he had the best interest of the University and its sports programs and would manage whatever given to that best interest.

There are rumors that those Skyboxes are not selling at the high prices asked for in the beginning.  I do not know that, personally. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hoglady on September 26, 2017, 07:11:45 pm
At the LR Touchdown Club, Alvarez sure skewered Long (over that buy out) without ever mentioning him by name.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hassettsportsman on September 26, 2017, 07:16:23 pm
Respectfully, Jeff Long's singular legacy will be having fired the best coach the Razorbacks had.  His public castigation and relegating him to the wilderness only to be reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality competitors proves his ability to coach.  As for making mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 26, 2017, 07:48:40 pm
At the LR Touchdown Club, Alvarez sure skewered Long (over that buy out) without ever mentioning him by name.

I would love to have been there to hear his take on some of the issues between us.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hobhog on September 26, 2017, 09:39:35 pm
Respectfully, Jeff Long's singular legacy will be having fired the best coach the Razorbacks had.  His public castigation and relegating him to the wilderness only to be reincarnated at Louisville with Heisman quality competitors proves his ability to coach.  As for making mistakes, who will cast the first 100 stones?

Louisville has some huge issues to deal with right now. Will not be surprised if doesn't bleed over into football. Thier AD probably won't survive.

I'll take Long as our AD right now. Things could get ugly with FBI sting.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 27, 2017, 05:34:58 pm
Louisville has some huge issues to deal with right now. Will not be surprised if doesn't bleed over into football. Thier AD probably won't survive.

I'll take Long as our AD right now. Things could get ugly with FBI sting.
If their AD gets canned. I know an integrity filled prospect who is familiar with some of their employees.Man what a fit this could be.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 28, 2017, 06:46:45 pm
After 18 days still at 2/3 against Jeff Long. Legitimate candidates for his replacement if this was to happen. Will be several high profile jobs out there come available due to baxetball distress.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on September 29, 2017, 07:55:22 pm
I just don't think he is invested in the university beyond a paycheck/job. I just don't see the passion.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: kaki on September 29, 2017, 08:05:57 pm
I just don't think he is invested in the university beyond a paycheck/job. I just don't see the passion.
this seems a pretty rash opinion, very subjective and likely not based on knowledge or much thought.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: John Snow on September 30, 2017, 01:55:27 am
Jeff acts like our opinion doesn’t matter as long as the players grades good  and stay out trouble. Well it’s our tax dollars and donations paying for Jeff Long and  Bret Beilama jobs so our opinion should matter . Jeff Long’s personality comes across as whitty like the Little Rock Touchdown club Luncheon he acted like we were idiots after every question .He talked down to people  at the event acting like we weren’t smart enough to understand Beilama’s  hard life of getting paid 4 million a year situation !
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 30, 2017, 02:54:56 pm
Jeff acts like our opinion doesn’t matter as long as the players grades good  and stay out trouble. Well it’s our tax dollars and donations paying for Jeff Long and  Bret Beilama jobs so our opinion should matter . Jeff Long’s personality comes across as whitty like the Little Rock Touchdown club Luncheon he acted like we were idiots after every question .He talked down to people  at the event acting like we weren’t smart enough to understand Beilama’s  hard life of getting paid 4 million a year situation !
70,000 + paid attendance for today. He's not even unhappy a bit bout our situation. Chuck Barrett said prior to the game it looked like 55-60,000 actual attendance.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hog911 on September 30, 2017, 04:11:04 pm
I will go one step further, I think long probably knew about petrino's extra curricular activity
I guaranteed he did!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: JOKERHOG on September 30, 2017, 05:15:35 pm
I guaranteed he did!

Absolutely and took any opportunity that presented itself to can him and boost his own "integrity image"
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 30, 2017, 05:42:40 pm
After today's big win, I suspect Mr Long's numbers to improve quite a bit!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hog911 on September 30, 2017, 06:30:13 pm
After today's big win, I suspect Mr Long's numbers to improve quite a bit!
Just to let you know, NMST was considering dropping football a few years back, so I won’t pat JL to hard on the back!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 01, 2017, 04:50:53 pm
After today's big win, I suspect Mr Long's numbers to improve quite a bit!
Not sure if joking.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 02, 2017, 04:34:23 pm
This was started 3 weeks ago today at round 1:00 I believe. People are still voting and viewing. 8000+ views. Lots of folks still checking in I guess.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on October 02, 2017, 04:43:07 pm
This was started 3 weeks ago today at round 1:00 I believe. People are still voting and viewing. 8000+ views. Lots of folks still checking in I guess.

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Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 02, 2017, 04:46:21 pm
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/268727/mr-bump-o.gif)
Knew I could count on you.How was your day.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on October 02, 2017, 04:47:50 pm
Knew I could count on you.How was your day.

Productive. Just trying to help you keep this thread on the front page since its important to you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on October 02, 2017, 04:48:35 pm
Listened to the problem with Hogs sports in a radio interview last week.

Guys from the big Little Rock radio station were interviewing Long.

Problem 1: Those guys were too chicken&%*# to ask one question about Bielema. And that's an issue for all the state media. None of them hold anyone on The Hill accountable. They would lose "access."

Problem 2: Not once, not once, did Long mention anything on the field. All he talked about was money. Until the AD cares about winning, the coaches won't.

I understand how important money is. Yada. Yada. Yada. We are constantly ranked in the nation's top 20 in terms of revenue and profit. Yet, we don't reside there on the field.

I'm ready for that to change.

This is SO dead on correct!  This administration has insulated itself from any media pressure.  We have NO media, just total homers.  Big problem.  The cause: Jeff Long cares about Jeff Long, not the Hogs.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DLUXHOG on October 02, 2017, 04:49:19 pm
This thread is batshart crazy.....
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on October 02, 2017, 04:53:59 pm
This thread is batshart crazy.....

Are you satisfied with 2-6 in the SEC every year?   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 02, 2017, 05:03:07 pm
This is SO dead on correct!  This administration has insulated itself from any media pressure.  We have NO media, just total homers.  Big problem.  The cause: Jeff Long cares about Jeff Long, not the Hogs.
I don't even know if I buy into this anymore. He didn't come here with any malice in mind. I just think he was a bad pick for a SEC team. I think he was put in a position which seemed self promoting but I have my doubts bout that. I think BP had to much power and his ego was out of control and Long made a bad decision in a jam. Now its snowballed on him with a bad HC pick. Either way given his other choices before, I don't think he or they are what we need and are bad fits which don't need to be picking our next coach.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on October 02, 2017, 07:50:00 pm
I don't even know if I buy into this anymore. He didn't come here with any malice in mind. I just think he was a bad pick for a SEC team. I think he was put in a position which seemed self promoting but I have my doubts bout that. I think BP had to much power and his ego was out of control and Long made a bad decision in a jam. Now its snowballed on him with a bad HC pick. Either way given his other choices before, I don't think he or they are what we need and are bad fits which don't need to be picking our next coach.

I don't think he has any malice either.  The problem is he has no love for us.  Its just a job to him.  When the crisis happened, he used it to promote HIMSELF, not the UofA.   Petrino had to be fired.  No doubt.  But Long prolonged it, fake cried on TV, lied about potential lawsuits, dragged the coach through the mud, and milked the crisis all he could -  ALL to promote his OWN brand.  It was great for him.  Got him instant fame and chair of the playoff committee, etc.  But it was very bad for the UofA, especially in how we are viewed by coaches we might want to hire.  No coach wants to work for a man that everyone watched throw a coach under the bus.  (More accurately, Petrino threw himself under, but Long backed the bus over him a couple times.)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DLUXHOG on October 03, 2017, 08:47:01 am
Are you satisfied with 2-6 in the SEC every year?   

we've only averaged, since joining the SEC, a season SEC record of 4-4 per season. (we've never had an undefeated SEC season).   And we've had 7, 2-6 SEC season records, since joining the SEC, and only one of them has been under Bielema's watch..............   what's your point?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on October 03, 2017, 11:23:55 pm
Jeff Long does everything about his job extremely well...except hiring and firing coaches, which is the most important role of an AD. Going after Jim Grobe, Tommy Bowden, etc shows he just doesn't have the gift for identifying coaches who can succeed here.
His best hires are Bielema and Anderson, who can best be described as 'pretty good'.
I'm not sure Petrino counts since he was also fired, and only after Grobe and Bowden didn't work out. An almost accidental hire anyway.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PonderinHog on October 04, 2017, 08:11:15 am
we've only averaged, since joining the SEC, a season SEC record of 4-4 per season. (we've never had an undefeated SEC season).   And we've had 7, 2-6 SEC season records, since joining the SEC, and only one of them has been under Bielema's watch..............   what's your point?
0-8 < 2-6

What's your point?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on October 04, 2017, 08:20:29 am
Jeff acts like our opinion doesn’t matter as long as the players grades good  and stay out trouble. Well it’s our tax dollars and donations paying for Jeff Long and  Bret Beilama jobs so our opinion should matter . Jeff Long’s personality comes across as whitty like the Little Rock Touchdown club Luncheon he acted like we were idiots after every question .He talked down to people  at the event acting like we weren’t smart enough to understand Beilama’s  hard life of getting paid 4 million a year situation !
This is less than surprising.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: DLUXHOG on October 04, 2017, 06:14:01 pm
0-8 < 2-6

What's your point?

You seem to think that 2-6 is a rarity, I was simply pointing out, a) we’ve been there several times, and b) our average season SEC record isn’t much better....
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on October 04, 2017, 06:24:45 pm
Jeff acts like our opinion doesn’t matter as long as the players grades good  and stay out trouble. Well it’s our tax dollars and donations paying for Jeff Long and  Bret Beilama jobs so our opinion should matter . Jeff Long’s personality comes across as whitty like the Little Rock Touchdown club Luncheon he acted like we were idiots after every question .He talked down to people  at the event acting like we weren’t smart enough to understand Beilama’s  hard life of getting paid 4 million a year situation !

Hell of an argument when you can't even spell "Bielema" correctly. You're probably one of those who expects a politician you didn't even vote for to cater to you and vote in line with your views because he/she is paid by your tax dollars.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 04, 2017, 09:13:13 pm
Who am I (team) 1999-  3-8, 1998-  4-7, 1997-  9-3, 1996- 9-2, 1995-  7-4, 1994-  4-7, 1993-  5-6, 1992- 2-9, 1991- 5-6,
1990-  5-6.   80's were nearly as bad.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 04, 2017, 09:21:40 pm
Times up.   LSU
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hogcard1964 on October 04, 2017, 09:22:04 pm
Jeff Long does everything about his job extremely well...except hiring and firing coaches, which is the most important role of an AD. Going after Jim Grobe, Tommy Bowden, etc shows he just doesn't have the gift for identifying coaches who can succeed here.
His best hires are Bielema and Anderson, who can best be described as 'pretty good'.
I'm not sure Petrino counts since he was also fired, and only after Grobe and Bowden didn't work out. An almost accidental hire anyway.

Bielema is statistically one of the worst coaches to ever coach here.  What is "pretty good" about that?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Seebs on October 04, 2017, 09:26:03 pm
Long is a Top 5 AD in the country. Your ax is ground to the nub.  You will be gone before Long is.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 04, 2017, 09:27:34 pm
Who am I (team)     1978-  4-7, 1979-  0-10, 1980-  8-4, 1981-  7-5, 1982-  9-2-1, 1983-  9-1-1,1984-  9-1-1,1985-  6-5
1986-  6-6, 1987-  7-5,1988- 7-5
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Seebs on October 04, 2017, 09:32:47 pm
Who am I (team)     1978-  4-7, 1979-  0-10, 1980-  8-4, 1981-  7-5, 1982-  9-2-1, 1983-  9-1-1,1984-  9-1-1,1985-  6-5
1986-  6-6, 1987-  7-5,1988- 7-5

The number of times you successfully cruised Boyle Park at night?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 04, 2017, 09:38:44 pm
Times up.  Florida

I put these lists up here to show that teams of National prominence today once were very mediocre and would go as far as to say weren't as much a national power as we were years before. They made moves in AD's and coaches which flipped the switch in recruiting and they skyrocketed to success. I believe the right coaches and systems could be put in place here and we could move way up the ladder in recruiting. I know some of you don't think we can do it but I do.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 04, 2017, 09:39:18 pm
The number of times you successfully cruised Boyle Park at night?
What is Boyle park
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RedRazorHog on October 05, 2017, 07:05:36 am
High graduation rates, successful programs across the board, impressive facility growth, and respect of his colleagues across the country.  The football program may have things to work out, but that is a small part of who an AD is. Jeff Long has been and will continue to be an excellent man for the job!

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-earn-top-20-directors-cup-finish/

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-ad-wins-national-award/

I believe this poster is Jeff Long!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 05, 2017, 08:43:29 am
I believe this poster is Jeff Long!
read the name backwards
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 06, 2017, 12:03:11 pm
Gchamblee your slippin.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on October 06, 2017, 12:23:51 pm
Gchamblee your slippin.

?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: gchamblee on October 06, 2017, 12:24:57 pm
I know this is your best thread ever and you want desperately to keep it on the front page. Ill help you keep it bumped up man.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on October 06, 2017, 01:15:17 pm
I believe this poster is Jeff Long!
Whether it is or isn't are you going to argue those particular stats/facts? Just curious.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Redhogs on October 06, 2017, 01:31:32 pm
Long is a Top 5 AD in the country. Your ax is ground to the nub.  You will be gone before Long is.
I hope someone else sees him the way you do and "steals" him away.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 07, 2017, 08:11:55 pm
Good evening everyone whats goin on.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Seebs on October 07, 2017, 09:12:10 pm
I will not say you are right, but you are less wrong than you once were.

Good enough?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: MushroomCloudHog on October 07, 2017, 09:20:44 pm
Long seems more like a someone  that would be a better fit in an academic administrative position,  not Athletic Director.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 07, 2017, 09:21:56 pm
I will not say you are right, but you are less wrong than you once were.

Good enough?
Thats close but most people like you can't even do that. I had to research your little remark from the other nite. Your a crafty one.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Seebs on October 08, 2017, 08:08:27 am
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Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 08, 2017, 03:52:42 pm
Where are all the other Jeffies. Noticed last nite they were scarce and did appear to be changing their tune.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: wachhog on October 08, 2017, 04:17:01 pm
I'm amazed that educated people still use the term "carpetbagger" to refer to someone.

Says more about them than the person they're trying to insult.

“Carpetbagger: a person who is seen as unscrupulous  opportunist.”
Jeff doesn’t fit that definition?  An educated person can read. The term did originate after the civil war when unscrupulous opportunists cane down from the north with all their belongings in a bag sewn from carpet to pillage southerners who had been devastated by the war.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 09, 2017, 09:49:54 am
Bump
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ur on October 09, 2017, 11:09:11 am
Jeff Long a darkhorse! From a Neb board:

Let's take a look around the SEC to see who that might be.  Arkansas Jeff Long seems like a darkhorse to me.  Or the guy at Mizzou because that school is a sinking ship?  Byrne would be a home run.  Currie at UT would make sense b/c he was at KSU,  but he just started at UT.
 
Alabama - Greg Byrne - Connection being Bill's son.  But just took over at Bama a year ago.  Does he want the pressure of being the guy to hire Saban's replacement?
Arkansas - Jeff Long - Been at Arky 10 years.  Replaced Pedey at Pitt when Pedey took NU job.  Hired/fired Petrino.  Former CFB Playoff chair.  May want to leave get get away from Bert's $15M buyout?
Auburn - Jay Jacobs - Currently in deep doo doo with some bad stuff in non-rev sports
Florida - Scott Strickin - Just took over UF last year.  Don't think he would be a candidate
Georgia - Greg McGarity - Been at UGA since 2010.  Fired Richt, hired Smart.  Was at UGA long time before being hire.  Don't see it.
Kentucky - Mitch Barnhart - Been at UK 15 years, before that Oregon St (eek!).  Don't see it, unless UK basketball crap to hit the fan w/ the FBI scandal.
LSU - Joe Alleva - Been at LSU 10 years, prior at Duke.  Might be on his way out for handling of Miles situation plus giving Orgeron a $12M buyout.
Mississippi - Ross Bjork - Says he's "not a candidate".  Tons of NCAA issues right now.
Mississippi St - John Cohen - Been at Miss St 1 year, prior was Miss St baseball coach.  Don't see it.
Missouri - Jim Sterk - Been at Mizzou 1 year, prior at SDSU.  School is a mess and FB program is down.  Didn't hire Odom.
South Carolina - Ray Tanner - Been AD for 5 years, prior to that was SC baseball coach for 15 years.  Don't see it.
Tennessee - John Currie - Been at Tenn 6 mos, prior at K St where he modernized their facilities.  Would be guy to ax Butch.  Would probably be a good fit, but doubt he leaves after 6 mos? 
Texas A&M - Scott Woodward - Been at A&M 1.5 years, prior at Washington.  Called out Sumlin this summer
Vandy - David Williams - Been at Vandy 15 years.  Vandy doesn't have a true AD.  Don't see it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 09, 2017, 02:25:37 pm
Jeff Long a darkhorse! From a Neb board:

Let's take a look around the SEC to see who that might be.  Arkansas Jeff Long seems like a darkhorse to me.  Or the guy at Mizzou because that school is a sinking ship?  Byrne would be a home run.  Currie at UT would make sense b/c he was at KSU,  but he just started at UT.
 
Alabama - Greg Byrne - Connection being Bill's son.  But just took over at Bama a year ago.  Does he want the pressure of being the guy to hire Saban's replacement?
Arkansas - Jeff Long - Been at Arky 10 years.  Replaced Pedey at Pitt when Pedey took NU job.  Hired/fired Petrino.  Former CFB Playoff chair.  May want to leave get get away from Bert's $15M buyout?
Auburn - Jay Jacobs - Currently in deep doo doo with some bad stuff in non-rev sports
Florida - Scott Strickin - Just took over UF last year.  Don't think he would be a candidate
Georgia - Greg McGarity - Been at UGA since 2010.  Fired Richt, hired Smart.  Was at UGA long time before being hire.  Don't see it.
Kentucky - Mitch Barnhart - Been at UK 15 years, before that Oregon St (eek!).  Don't see it, unless UK basketball crap to hit the fan w/ the FBI scandal.
LSU - Joe Alleva - Been at LSU 10 years, prior at Duke.  Might be on his way out for handling of Miles situation plus giving Orgeron a $12M buyout.
Mississippi - Ross Bjork - Says he's "not a candidate".  Tons of NCAA issues right now.
Mississippi St - John Cohen - Been at Miss St 1 year, prior was Miss St baseball coach.  Don't see it.
Missouri - Jim Sterk - Been at Mizzou 1 year, prior at SDSU.  School is a mess and FB program is down.  Didn't hire Odom.
South Carolina - Ray Tanner - Been AD for 5 years, prior to that was SC baseball coach for 15 years.  Don't see it.
Tennessee - John Currie - Been at Tenn 6 mos, prior at K St where he modernized their facilities.  Would be guy to ax Butch.  Would probably be a good fit, but doubt he leaves after 6 mos? 
Texas A&M - Scott Woodward - Been at A&M 1.5 years, prior at Washington.  Called out Sumlin this summer
Vandy - David Williams - Been at Vandy 15 years.  Vandy doesn't have a true AD.  Don't see it.
That's one angle we have also. Snyder at K-state is gonna retire soon. Maybe Bret will take that job and our cost will go down a lot but then Long can move on, on his own.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 10, 2017, 08:43:36 am
Should we warn the Nebraska folks, or go tell em to stay away. You know the reverse psychology thingy.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on October 12, 2017, 11:01:08 am
Almost forgot
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on October 12, 2017, 11:22:04 am
Should we warn the Nebraska folks, or go tell em to stay away. You know the reverse psychology thingy.

Warn them.  It didn't work with us or Ole Miss.  It has the opposite effect.