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Title: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on February 20, 2017, 06:25:07 pm
Figured it was time to get the new one started. Excited to get the new season underway.
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Post by: McKdaddy on February 26, 2017, 04:31:42 pm
^^^^
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Post by: HogCard on February 26, 2017, 05:54:05 pm
Hope cox changes the channel lineup by opening day. In nwa
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on February 26, 2017, 06:20:52 pm
One of my fav things to do each night after work is to turn on FSMW and let the Cards game fill my living room.
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Post by: TrueBlue on March 06, 2017, 10:43:48 am
Just returned from a 10 day trip to Jupiter. As far as "hopeful new contributors", the most pleasant surprise to me is how Jose Martinez and Harrison Bader are hitting the ball. Nice to see a little power from those two.

Gyorko, Diaz, and Kelly have looked good hitting as well. Still waiting on Fowler to show a little presence at the plate.

As far as pitchers are concerned, I know that Sandy Alcantara is still a couple of years away from the big league, but this guy has the "it" factor. He is still very rough around the corners, but he has some juice on his pitches. Also, now that Sam Tuivailala has went back to his curve, I am expecting to see him in St. Louis on a regular basis this year. So far, Tuivailala has ten strikeouts in four innings.

Other news: Randal Grichuk has to be the most approachable and humble player I have ever seen in Spring Ball (like to see 30 HR this year out of him!) and it is very strange not see to see Matt Holiday with the team.


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Post by: WMHawgfan on March 23, 2017, 02:29:13 pm
Thanks for the pics. I have had the opportunity to see them in Jupiter a few times and it is just a great experience. Such a laid back relaxing atmosphere at spring training games. Great way to spend a vacation down in South Florida before the temps get too hot.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on March 31, 2017, 08:55:52 am
Is Molina going to be worth the supposed $55 to $65 million over three years?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on March 31, 2017, 11:36:52 am
Is Molina going to be worth the supposed $55 to $65 million over three years?
It's risky but he looked awful good last year.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on April 01, 2017, 11:26:52 am
Is Molina going to be worth the supposed $55 to $65 million over three years?

I think so. He looked pretty good last year, and I thought he looked even better during the WBC. It looks like he has gained some of his power back. I think he will maintain his value over 3 years. I would have been skeptical if they would have given him anything over 3 years though.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 01, 2017, 12:36:04 pm
I think so. He looked pretty good last year, and I thought he looked even better during the WBC. It looks like he has gained some of his power back. I think he will maintain his value over 3 years. I would have been skeptical if they would have given him anything over 3 years though.

I mostly agree, Molina represents so much of what this era of Cardinals baseball has been. He needs to retire a Cardinal. I need to see the final structure of the contract before I can really tell how I'll feel about it. I'm assuming it will be somewhat front loaded.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 01, 2017, 12:37:10 pm
It's risky but he looked awful good last year.

His defense faltered quite a bit last year, I'm hoping he turns that around. Can't argue with the way his bat played though.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on April 02, 2017, 12:24:32 pm
Sentimentally I'm glad it appears he'll retire a Card, but not sure how I feel about it when removing the emotions. Same feeling about Pujols 5+ years ago.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on April 02, 2017, 06:43:15 pm
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/yadier-molina-cardinals-contract-60-million-collective-bargaining-rosenthal-040217
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 02, 2017, 09:32:31 pm
I think Yadi is worth paying. He is a well respected mentor to our young guys.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 02, 2017, 10:56:04 pm
I hate Heyward. Down to the last out and blow it.
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Post by: jrulz83 on April 02, 2017, 11:30:03 pm
The good new is the Cubs are in last place. The bad news is..... who cares about bad news after that first sentence?

Martinez pitched a heck of a game. It was lost in the Lester/Schwarber slobberfest of a broadcast. Wong had a big walk and Grichuk came through with good ABs twice. That's two things I've been wanting to see. I'm pleased with those aspects, other things not so much.

But 162- 0 here we come
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on April 02, 2017, 11:44:11 pm
The top of the 9th scared the hell out of me with a couple of bad mistakes and we gotta be bettter with RISP, but I'll take an opening night victory!

Good prevails over evil!
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Post by: McKdaddy on April 03, 2017, 10:06:55 am
I fell asleep in my chair after the bottom of the 8th, when the score was 3-0.  I awoke as Grichuk was coming to bat in the bottom of the 9th, now 3-3.  I'm pissed, thinking WTH happened?!?  Awoke at just the right time. 
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Post by: jrulz83 on April 03, 2017, 10:52:13 am
Piscotty supposedly has signed an extension, reportedly 6 years $33.5 million total value. Seems like a good deal.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on April 03, 2017, 11:36:11 am
Piscotty supposedly has signed an extension, reportedly 6 years $33.5 million total value. Seems like a good deal.
I think that will end up being a bargain.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 03, 2017, 11:40:52 am
I think that will end up being a bargain.

I think it will too. When you look at what teams are paying these days $5 million+ per is a pretty good deal for an everyday corner outfielder. Especially if Piscotty lives up to the potential he has shown.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: hoghappy on April 03, 2017, 11:46:34 am
Yeah, that Piscotti deal is pretty solid.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on April 03, 2017, 02:45:15 pm
I think Yadi is worth paying. He is a well respected mentor to our young guys.


Agreed. Even if he does fall off some at the end, he is worth having around to mentor the next catcher.

I don't think he was completely healthy last year. He looked off. He looked really good in the WBC and looked good last night. I think his power is going to pick back up a little bit.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 03, 2017, 07:25:05 pm
The good news is that the Cards have a 1 game lead in the NL central after the first full day. They are in first place all by themselves.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 06, 2017, 01:31:23 pm
It's pretty funny how many Cubs used to be Cardinals. 3 in today's starting lineup.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 11, 2017, 12:03:59 am
What a terrible weekend. Cards and Hogs lose 2 of 3 to inferior teams. But that's baseball.
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Post by: WMHawgfan on April 11, 2017, 02:57:00 pm
Its early and I know things can change but this has the feel of being a very down year for the cards. Hopefully I am wrong.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on April 11, 2017, 06:55:01 pm
Its early and I know things can change but this has the feel of being a very down year for the cards. Hopefully I am wrong.

Agreed. Silver lining: last 2-5 start was 2011. Fwiw.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 11, 2017, 07:14:06 pm
Come on guys, it's one bad week. Relax a little, the MLB season is 162 games for a reason. Let's see where we are come May before we worry.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 11, 2017, 07:43:50 pm
I'm not worried, just a bit disappointed in that we couldn't take game 3 from the Cubs and that Leake pitched well enough to win against the Reds.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 11, 2017, 07:51:37 pm
I'm not worried, just a bit disappointed in that we couldn't take game 3 from the Cubs and that Leake pitched well enough to win against the Reds.

I don't disagree with you. It's been a tough run to start the season. The bullpen and much ballyhooed "improved" defense have been atrocious. The offense has been missing and the second turn through the rotation isn't off to a good start.

Pretty much everything is going wrong right now. That doesn't mean the Cardinals will be sellers at the deadline. All I'm saying is there's a long way to go yet.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 15, 2017, 10:18:59 pm
Nothing really good to talk about is there?
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Post by: RaisinHog on April 16, 2017, 10:24:58 am
What are y'alls thoughts on matheney
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on April 16, 2017, 08:57:14 pm
Nothing really good to talk about is there?

^^^^
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Post by: TomasPistola on April 16, 2017, 09:40:14 pm
We suck.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 16, 2017, 10:06:19 pm
Getting Yank Spanked again.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 17, 2017, 08:17:57 am
Rough start, but long way to go yet. I can't recall a Cardinals team that looked this inept in all phases of the game to start a season. They'll get better though, all these hitters aren't hitting .158 all season.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 17, 2017, 12:56:05 pm
I agree, we will get better. It's just not natural to see the Reds where we usually are and us where the Cubs usually hang out. 😎 Hey,     gotta smack talk a little, right?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on April 17, 2017, 02:17:27 pm
To put the slow start in perspective. Everyone was ready to pencil the Cubs back in the World Series and they are only 6-6 after 12 games.

Cardinals have too much talent to continue at this pace.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 17, 2017, 09:05:16 pm
Much needed win tonight. Still need the bats to wake up, but Fowler had a couple hard outs. That gives me hope that he is turning it around.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on April 18, 2017, 10:57:22 am
What are y'alls thoughts on matheney

My thoughts are that him and Mo don't mix. They have two different philosophies and aren't ever on the same page. The team Mo is trying to build is built around young guys and good defense. It doesn't involve Matt Adams in left field, or even on the field for that matter. Matheny believes too much in the veteran power bat, although I'm still not real sure why he thinks Adams is a power guy. He plays experience over youth though if he has the chance. He needs to get Martinez in the lineup somewhere, thinking he could play a lot of 1B. He's hit all spring and in all his opportunities this season.

I'd like to see a and infield of Martinez, Wong/Gyorko, Diaz, Carpenter. Outfield, Piscotty, Fowler, and Grichuk.

I also think he might be the cause for some of Wongs struggles. I think he is used in a way that it's hard for him to ever really get going. He didn't have a chance to find "it" last year. If his bats even close to decent, he needs to play. He provides a big plus defensively over Gyorko and he provides speed which this team lacked last season badly. 35 steals as a team last year. That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: RaisinHog on April 18, 2017, 10:24:13 pm
My thoughts are that him and Mo don't mix. They have two different philosophies and aren't ever on the same page. The team Mo is trying to build is built around young guys and good defense. It doesn't involve Matt Adams in left field, or even on the field for that matter. Matheny believes too much in the veteran power bat, although I'm still not real sure why he thinks Adams is a power guy. He plays experience over youth though if he has the chance. He needs to get Martinez in the lineup somewhere, thinking he could play a lot of 1B. He's hit all spring and in all his opportunities this season.

I'd like to see a and infield of Martinez, Wong/Gyorko, Diaz, Carpenter. Outfield, Piscotty, Fowler, and Grichuk.

I also think he might be the cause for some of Wongs struggles. I think he is used in a way that it's hard for him to ever really get going. He didn't have a chance to find "it" last year. If his bats even close to decent, he needs to play. He provides a big plus defensively over Gyorko and he provides speed which this team lacked last season badly. 35 steals as a team last year. That's ridiculous.

Agree .. I hate all the lefty righty match up crap .. when it comes to who plays .. I also don't like his management of the pitchers always leaving guys too long or sticking with guys forever that sucks
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 18, 2017, 10:35:20 pm
2 in a row. Still need to score more.
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Post by: jrulz83 on April 19, 2017, 07:38:30 am
The Cardinals win a series! The Cardinals win a series! The Cardinals win a series!

Offense is still terrible. With the way Martinez is swinging (7-15, six game hitting streak) it seems to me like Carpenter ought to move back to third base, at least temporarily.

The bright spots of this team so far have been Bowman, Rosenthal, Leake, and J. Martinez.

Oh really needs to figure out his problems or I'm going to start calling him Glass Joe instead of The Final Boss.
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Post by: TomasPistola on April 19, 2017, 10:20:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnVrSZHnvYY

It HAS happened before.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 19, 2017, 11:11:42 pm
1st sweep of the year baby. Still ugly, but who's complaining. Our bottom 3 starters match up well against any in the league. Those will be our strengths this year if we stay healthy.
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Post by: jrulz83 on April 20, 2017, 06:53:13 am
I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty.

Good to see Fowler drive the ball, and the Wachassaince continue.
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Post by: clutch on April 20, 2017, 01:32:46 pm
What did we score? 6 Runs total and win the series? That's some good pitching
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on April 20, 2017, 01:33:22 pm
The Cardinals win a series! The Cardinals win a series! The Cardinals win a series!

Offense is still terrible. With the way Martinez is swinging (7-15, six game hitting streak) it seems to me like Carpenter ought to move back to third base, at least temporarily.

The bright spots of this team so far have been Bowman, Rosenthal, Leake, and J. Martinez.

Oh really needs to figure out his problems or I'm going to start calling him Glass Joe instead of The Final Boss.

I've been wanting to see Carp at 3rd and Martinez at 1st all year as an everyday infield.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on April 20, 2017, 05:46:31 pm
I've been wanting to see Carp at 3rd and Martinez at 1st all year as an everyday infield.

Peralta had a great spring, I was hopeful for a good start and solid season from him. It hasn't materialized though. it's time to try something different, heck give Garcia a shot.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: clutch on April 24, 2017, 01:45:41 pm
Cards have won 6 out of last 7. Wong's been in the lineup everyday, Martinez almost everyday, and the outfield has consisted of the combination of Fowler/Piscotty/Grichuk, or Martinez subbing for one of them everyday during that stretch. If Matheny will stay with the lineup this team was built to have, they can win games. If he goes back to trying to squeeze Matt Adams and Peralta in then they will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on April 24, 2017, 03:44:25 pm
I totally agree clutch.
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Post by: pigture perfect on May 07, 2017, 11:04:58 pm
Even with the injury bug, Cards playing some good baseball. I think Pham has earned his right to stay. He has been raking lately.
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Post by: pigture perfect on May 10, 2017, 05:45:12 pm
Well, look who's in first place. Sierra is fast.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: snf6278 on May 10, 2017, 11:03:59 pm
Well, look who's in first place. Sierra is fast.
He was rounding third about the same time Fowlers ball hit the wall. Very impressed with this young man.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 11, 2017, 12:22:42 pm
He was rounding third about the same time Fowlers ball hit the wall. Very impressed with this young man.

Hope he can keep hitting like this.  He is very fun to watch.  Not sure what happened on that ball he dove for, though.  Should've caught that one.
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Post by: pigture perfect on May 11, 2017, 08:01:03 pm
I thought when we lost 3 outfielders in 3 days that Bader would certainly be called up. I just don't have a clue as to what the outfield solution is. We are deep right now. I'm wondering who we could trade for whatever. I say that because of the lack of early draft picks next cycle.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on May 11, 2017, 08:19:27 pm
I thought when we lost 3 outfielders in 3 days that Bader would certainly be called up. I just don't have a clue as to what the outfield solution is. We are deep right now. I'm wondering who we could trade for whatever. I say that because of the lack of early draft picks next cycle.

Two words: Luis Robert
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on May 12, 2017, 01:26:13 am
Sorry, It's late and I'm tired. Who is Luis Robert?
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Post by: jrulz83 on May 12, 2017, 06:40:14 am
Sorry, It's late and I'm tired. Who is Luis Robert?

Cuban outfielder, supposed to be a legit 5 tool guy. He can sign with any team on the 20th of May I believe. Top 10 prospect according to some. If I remember correctly, the Cardinals are already over their international signing figure and can't sign any international players for two years after this season. There would be no further penalties to sign Robert. There's a bit of a fit in that regard, especially when you consider the draft penalties forthcoming.

I think I read that he might begin his career as high as AA ball if the Cardinals sign him, he's supposedly that advanced. I'm smart enough to know that I know zilch about evaluating baseball talent, but I have seen video of him and he looks the part. I also know as a Razorback football fan that from time to time hype prospects are just that, hype.

If he is what they say he is I think the Cardinals could be players. They are one of the teams that had a private workout with him, so I guess there is at least some interest there. It will be interesting to watch it play out.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on May 13, 2017, 10:55:17 am
Cards should petition for all road games.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: TomasPistola on May 13, 2017, 10:39:13 pm
Good win. I enjoy seeing the Cubs lose.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on May 15, 2017, 11:52:28 am
Excellent series.  Glad to see Waino look good.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on May 20, 2017, 10:42:16 pm
Cards should petition for all road games.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on June 06, 2017, 10:05:39 pm
Remember when the Cards were in 1st?  That was pretty cool.

#DrainTheNest
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Karma on June 07, 2017, 09:03:51 pm
We suck.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on June 08, 2017, 10:32:11 pm
The thread title for this year should be The Rundown Redbirds. Our starters have been doing a great job in my opinion. Our Bullpen is just awful. I hope this isn't the Brett Cecil we see for the next 3 1/2 years.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: TomasPistola on June 10, 2017, 12:37:00 pm
Time for a new coach.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on June 10, 2017, 08:27:17 pm
I like Matheny's demeanour as a manager. I think the GM is the one who needs to held accountable for resigning Braxton for this year and having to pay for nothing. Signing Brett Cecil, which could work out in the future, but mostly for the Correa scandal with the Astro's. That was MO's watch and his man. That effectively wounds our ability to draft top prospects.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on June 14, 2017, 06:44:42 pm
I haven't been on this year much -- what do y'all think we need to do to right the ship?

Fire Matheny?

Ship KW, move MC permanently back to 3rd, start Gyorko permanently at 2nd and trade for a big time 1B bat?

Something else?

Winning 4 of the last 5 has been nice; but there are major issues. The thing is, it's still not too late to address some of these issues and win the division.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on June 14, 2017, 06:45:52 pm
I like Matheny's demeanour as a manager. I think the GM is the one who needs to held accountable for resigning Braxton for this year and having to pay for nothing. Signing Brett Cecil, which could work out in the future, but mostly for the Correa scandal with the Astro's. That was MO's watch and his man. That effectively wounds our ability to draft top prospects.

Fair points, but Mo has made many very good moves and the Cardinals have been among baseball's best over the course of his tenure.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on July 05, 2017, 09:19:04 am
Was MO's promotion(?) really a demotion? GM to director of baseball operations? I really believe it was a good move. After all, you can't fire everybody.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on July 05, 2017, 01:46:56 pm
Was MO's promotion(?) really a demotion? GM to director of baseball operations? I really believe it was a good move. After all, you can't fire everybody.

No, bad as you may want it to be, it's not a demotion.

Theoretically a good move because it moves somebody that has the shrewd mentality that this organization has to survive by into a position that he will be able to have a different/higher view than he did have. Mozeliak is now less encumbered with the day to day stuff and can focus on the more long range.

I just hope it's not a 'this is what everybody else is doing' thing.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on July 17, 2017, 07:07:05 am
i hope the rumours are true.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on July 17, 2017, 10:00:16 am


#DrainTheNest

Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on July 19, 2017, 10:44:20 am
The Cardinals need a trade. They need to deal some pitching and surplus outfielders to get a bat for today and tomorrow. The Cardinals need a bat in the heart of the order that is scary.

Stanton is pie in the sky, but I think Ozuna or Yelich are legitimate possibilities. My thing about acquiring an outfielder is would that be the real place of need? Pham has played really well and should be here, but it may be time to sell high on him. Fowler isn't leaving and Piscotty is unlikely to be moved, and if Piscotty can start hitting a Fowler, Pham, Piscotty outfield would look pretty good. Yes, I'm for moving Fowler off of CF, his defense is lacking.

The Grichuk experiment doesn't need to be going on at the Major League level. Let him hack it out in AAA or see if he has some trade value, hopefully as part of a package for a legitimate bat and glove at SS.

I don't think the bullpen is as bad as it seems. I think it's going to round into form with Cecil looking better, Siegrist being healthy, and Duke's imminent return. However, some help out there wouldn't be the end of the world.

Anyway, here's hoping the Cardinals get to .500 today and can somehow play well enough and make the right moves to make this thing interesting down the stretch.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on July 19, 2017, 07:44:04 pm
The Cardinals do need to trade. Either pick up a great piece of the puzzle or sell off some of the marginal folks for prospects.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on July 21, 2017, 09:48:21 am
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jose-de-jesus-ortiz/ortiz-it-s-unacceptable-cardinals-have-lost-their-way-under/article_c8f43b55-ccc7-52ca-931e-7ae2a40c1b15.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on July 21, 2017, 02:27:42 pm
What a mess of a season, most frustrating. Something has to change. If a major deadline deal isn't happening (it looks increasingly to me like one isn't), I want to see major changes this offseason. Everything should be on the table and I think everything is:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/mozeliak-cardinals-attitude-and-culture-might-need-a-shake-up/article_2d2b0b91-ebc3-5b40-8d28-1c5554f80348.html

Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on July 21, 2017, 03:18:03 pm


 Everything should be on the table



Agreed.

#DrainTheNest
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on July 26, 2017, 12:56:04 pm
Ditto
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on July 31, 2017, 10:10:28 pm
If not buyers, should've been sellers. One or the other, not standing still.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on July 31, 2017, 10:24:11 pm
I'm glad we kept Lynn because he has been the most consistent guy all year. I know we can't really get rid of Leake, because he has too many years on his contract. C-Mart is our future and Wainwright is the Wiley veteran. All in all the starting pitching has been a bright spot. The pen and lack of offense needs to be shaken up though. I wouldn't mind trading Carp. He's a decent player that could bring a good return I'd think. Wong is another expendable player as well.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 02, 2017, 08:09:35 am
I know the lack of a move is frustrating, but look at what the Cardinals had to offer. Lance Lynn is a #3 starter at best and I think that has more value to the Cardinals than the (and this is what you would have gotten at best) slightly above average and a below average prospect he would have returned.

Other pieces they may have moved weren't going to return much either. Grichuk and Piscotty are at the nadir of their value at the moment. Wong's position wasn't in demand, are light hitting second basemen ever really in demand? Oh and Rosenthal have both been terribly inconsistent and the market for relievers wasn't really there anyway.

The bottom line is this, the Cardinals have need of a dangerous bat. If Gyorko is your cleanup hitter, and this is in no way a knock against him as he has been one of the better if not best performers on this team, you have need for a bat or two. No team was moving impact bats at this deadline, the market wasn't there for the Cardinals to make a move..... Fans always seem to forget that it takes two teams to make a trade.

Their problem isn't the on field manager, it's roster construction. They know it and have admitted it. The question is will they find what they need this offseason.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on August 04, 2017, 09:12:56 pm
I agree that the on field manager (Matheny) is not the problem. I actually agree on most if not everything you just posted. I have been a bit frustrated by the last 2 off seasons because of the lack of really good free agent signings.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on August 04, 2017, 09:56:32 pm
I would not completely absolve Matheny. He is the least of their problems as Jrulz thoroughly states far more pressing issues, but his hands are not blood-free. Fair?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 04, 2017, 10:10:14 pm
I agree that the on field manager (Matheny) is not the problem. I actually agree on most if not everything you just posted. I have been a bit frustrated by the last 2 off seasons because of the lack of really good free agent signings.

Missing out on a couple big names (Price and Heyward) hurt, but I think not having to pay them the big money they were seeking is going to be a good thing.

This year the free agent crop doesn't look great for the kind of bat(s) that the Cardinals need. I think some trades are coming because it's the only way I can see acquiring the type of player(s) the Cardinals need. But again, it takes two motivated teams to pull off a trade.

At some point all these outfielders and supposed big time pitchers in the minors are going to have to get a shot or be moved along. You can't hoard them forever.

Floating Piscotty in a Sonny Gray deal was really interesting to me and it makes me think that nearly everything is on the table this winter. I hope it's an active offseason for Michael Girsch.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 04, 2017, 10:36:03 pm
I would not completely absolve Matheny. He is the least of their problems as Jrulz thoroughly states far more pressing issues, but his hands are not blood-free. Fair?

Certainly not unfair, and I agree. I had quietly moved into the fire Matheny camp until I started looking at the roster and all the flaws and career worsts we're seeing. Now maybe some part of those career worsts could be pegged on Matheny and his style of management, but signing an $85 million CF that plays below average defense in CF when all we heard about was improving the defense all winter isn't on Matheny. Massaging Fowler's ego into LF is on Matheny though.

Depending so heavily on so many fairly unproven players, (Diaz, Grichuk, Piscotty, et. al.) isn't on Matheny. That's front office, and they admit that they haven't performed up to their very high bar. The frustrating thing is if they had put together a league average offense to go with the starting pitching this would be a first place team.

There's an old saying about not being able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Matheny has been handed a sow's ear by the front office, but he is responsible for the type of thread and needle that hold it together.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on August 05, 2017, 06:48:22 am
Certainly not unfair, and I agree. I had quietly moved into the fire Matheny camp until I started looking at the roster and all the flaws and career worsts we're seeing. Now maybe some part of those career worsts could be pegged on Matheny and his style of management, but signing an $85 million CF that plays below average defense in CF when all we heard about was improving the defense all winter isn't on Matheny. Massaging Fowler's ego into LF is on Matheny though.

Depending so heavily on so many fairly unproven players, (Diaz, Grichuk, Piscotty, et. al.) isn't on Matheny. That's front office, and they admit that they haven't performed up to their very high bar. The frustrating thing is if they had put together a league average offense to go with the starting pitching this would be a first place team.

There's an old saying about not being able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Matheny has been handed a sow's ear by the front office, but he is responsible for the type of thread and needle that hold it together.

Good thoughts
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on August 09, 2017, 09:49:24 pm
#RallyKitty
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 10, 2017, 07:40:06 am
Fun game, the only problem was Leake has to stop the leaking. Five game win streaks are nice, let's hope they keep it rolling. Rally kitty name options? Yadi, Grand, 152 (I think that is how many appearances Moylan had made without taking a loss). In case you missed it:

Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on August 11, 2017, 09:34:31 am
This whole season has been a string of mediocrity combined with hope, due to the struggles of the division at large. While we've never been out of it, it hasn't felt like we were really in it until this week. Starting pitching has been pretty consistently good; relief pitching sucked early, fielding was inconsistent early, and the bats have been inconsistent most of the year.

But now with Fowler coming back and the order getting figured out and the pen clicking -- it's easy to see the Red Birds winning the central. Just one game behind the Cubs now -- it's gonna be a fun finish. Oh and by the way -- we get a series against the Cubs in STL the last week of the season!
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on August 11, 2017, 05:41:27 pm
This is fun to watch. The only critique I can make after this week is that Leake needs to lose the mullet already. He's better off leaving it to Thor or DeGrom. He looks more like Joe Dirt than heroesque.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 12, 2017, 08:28:27 am
7 game win streak, who saw this coming? The way they're doing it is the most mystifying of all, the offense we all wanted to blow up has taken off. What I can't figure out is is it the pitching they're facing or is the offense really clicking? The fact of the business is this; I don't care, I'm just enjoying the ride.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: hoghappy on August 14, 2017, 05:48:23 pm
Awesome streak. Cubs. Getting nervous. I like being in their heads.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on August 19, 2017, 07:22:36 am
Take 'em any way you can get 'em.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on August 23, 2017, 04:23:28 pm
Rosenthal to the 60 day DL
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jbell96 on August 30, 2017, 10:53:06 am
Cards traded Mike Leake to the Mariners today. So happy we were able to get rid of his contract as it clears space for the team to resign Lance Lynn in the off season.

I like the idea of this for a 2018 rotation:

Martinez
Lynn
Weaver
Flaherty
Waino or Wacha

That's light years ahead of what we've had so far this year.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on August 31, 2017, 01:12:00 am
I too like the trade of Leake today. Starters we have and Leake was the weakest of our top 5.

What a catch to save the game for the brew crew today. I thought Grichik had won it.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on August 31, 2017, 08:17:38 am
I liked the Leake signing, in theory it was what the Cardinals needed at the time. I also like trading him. I don't think that dumping his contract is going to affect signing Lynn in any way.

I tend to think that the Cardinals will be fine if they let Lynn walk, but with Wainwright aging and having some arm issues this year it would probably be good to go after Lynn if it's feasible. You also have Reyes coming off TJ surgery next year, so an innings guy will probably be a good idea to have around. One thing we know, the Cardinals are unlikely to overpay for Lynn.

The good news is Weaver and or Flaherty are going to get some good seasoning in the last part of this season.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jbell96 on September 01, 2017, 01:40:01 pm
I liked the Leake signing, in theory it was what the Cardinals needed at the time. I also like trading him. I don't think that dumping his contract is going to affect signing Lynn in any way.

I tend to think that the Cardinals will be fine if they let Lynn walk, but with Wainwright aging and having some arm issues this year it would probably be good to go after Lynn if it's feasible. You also have Reyes coming off TJ surgery next year, so an innings guy will probably be a good idea to have around. One thing we know, the Cardinals are unlikely to overpay for Lynn.

The good news is Weaver and or Flaherty are going to get some good seasoning in the last part of this season.

I really hope they make Lynn a competitive offer to stay. He's fiery & speaks his mind, we need more guys like that on our team. Like you said, with Waino aging and maybe having a year left, we need a veteran presence for our young guys that can also eat up innings.

During the off season, I hope we make a move to get a true middle of the order bat & bolster our bullpen. We have a glut of outfielders between the bigs and AAA, time to make some moves with them and get something good in return.

I'm excited for Flaherty's start tonight. His numbers in the minors this year have been spectacular, especially when you consider how hitter friendly most of the parks are in the PCL, and how much of a band box the park in Springfield is.

Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on September 06, 2017, 04:07:38 pm
Cards pick up Nicasio from the Phillies on waivers. Could be a nice fit. Almost 70 innings this year and sub 3 ERA.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on September 07, 2017, 12:15:27 am
Cards pick up Nicasio from the Phillies on waivers. Could be a nice fit. Almost 70 innings this year and sub 3 ERA.

Weird deal though, he wouldn't be eligible in the playoffs if we were to be playing in the playoffs.

But great addition to help try and get there.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on September 07, 2017, 12:18:15 am
Huge win tonight for the WC with the Brewers and Rockies losing.

Unfortunately the Cubs pulled out a nail biter late.

We are now in front of the Crew and 2 games out of the WC and 4.0 back of the Cubs.

Great game by Flaherty and the other young guys. And great piece if pitching by Tyler Lyons after putting the first two runners on in the 9th.

Note we have 7 games remaining against the Cubs.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on September 07, 2017, 10:14:36 am
These last few games have been fun to watch. I'm curious about how different this team will look next year.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on September 10, 2017, 11:39:52 pm
We are within two of the Cubs and tied with the Crew and we have two series against the Cubs remaining as well as a series against Milwaukee to finish the season in St Louis.

The Cardinals are hot and control their own destiny with a bunch of inexperienced triple A kids who are playing lights out.

Does anyone have an update on Fowler?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on September 11, 2017, 08:29:08 am
We are within two of the Cubs and tied with the Crew and we have two series against the Cubs remaining as well as a series against Milwaukee to finish the season in St Louis.

The Cardinals are hot and control their own destiny with a bunch of inexperienced triple A kids who are playing lights out.

Does anyone have an update on Fowler?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/pham-sidelined-by-reaction-to-eyedrops-fowler-out-with-knee/article_4021f54c-4ca5-58d7-8112-0e5cab05119e.html

Fowler has a bruised knee, swelling is significant, MRI showed no tears. He'll be out a little while (5-7 games) I expect.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on September 11, 2017, 11:28:59 am


The Cardinals are hot and control their own destiny with a bunch of inexperienced triple A kids who are playing lights out.




I'm hoping this bodes well for the next few years.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on September 11, 2017, 01:31:24 pm
Anybody else wonder what might happen if Brewers, Cardinals and Cubs end the season tied?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on September 13, 2017, 12:37:38 am
Anybody else wonder what might happen if Brewers, Cardinals and Cubs end the season tied?

I think it's head to head, then divisional record, then NL record. In a 3 way tie, I'm not sure what happens next.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on September 15, 2017, 07:09:44 am
Sweeping the Cubs at Wrigley sure would make this weekend fantastic.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: southarkhog06 on September 18, 2017, 07:57:11 am
Sweeping the Cubs at Wrigley sure would make this weekend fantastic.
well there is always next time.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on September 18, 2017, 11:57:52 am
well there is always next time.

Thankfully I'm a Razorback fan and used to disappointment.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on September 28, 2017, 10:57:14 pm
Here's to some trades and upgrades for next year. I really enjoy this thread even in rough years. Thanks to you all.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: WMHawgfan on October 02, 2017, 10:55:00 am
Here's to some trades and upgrades for next year. I really enjoy this thread even in rough years. Thanks to you all.
Should be an interesting offseason for the Cards. They have a lot of decisions to make and I am sure the GM knows if they are going to compete something has to change. From my perspective they have to move some of their outfielders. I say you move Pham to center, Dex to left and pray Piscotty can bounce back and be more productive. They have to address the closer role, and honestly I think they have to address the starting rotation as well. Most of all I think they have to get a slugger in the middle of the order, but I doubt they shell out the cash for one.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on October 06, 2017, 02:01:14 pm
So Lilliquist is gone, interesting. Iíd bet the house that a promotion from within is on the way.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on October 06, 2017, 08:10:42 pm
Mabry wouldíve equally have been on the hit seat.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on October 13, 2017, 04:02:55 pm
Greg Holland gonna be available as a free agent closer, thoughts?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on October 13, 2017, 09:00:49 pm
I want him and Nicasio
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on October 13, 2017, 09:49:38 pm
This closer thing is going to be interesting to watch. I think we may see a current starter move to the back end of the bullpen, Iím thinking Alex Reyes or possibly Wacha. I could see Wacha being very effective there. Of course I have no idea what Iím talking about but itís fun to navel gaze.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on October 15, 2017, 01:16:53 pm
If he is healthy I think Reyes will thrive in any role he is put in.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on October 23, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
Oquendo is back as 3b coach and Willie McGee will also join Mathenyís staff. I think I like it:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/the-secret-weapon-returns-as-oquendo-mcgee-join-matheny-s/article_31b19f0f-87f8-51f1-9eb9-0b45078b1dc0.html
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on October 26, 2017, 04:28:33 pm
So Lilliquist is gone, interesting. Iíd bet the house that a promotion from within is on the way.

I owe somebody a house.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cardinals-hire-mike-maddux-as-pitching-coach-promote-eversgerd/article_3cbb67d9-1840-59ce-b6b8-2c63b320dd78.html
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on October 26, 2017, 10:39:12 pm
I owe somebody a house.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cardinals-hire-mike-maddux-as-pitching-coach-promote-eversgerd/article_3cbb67d9-1840-59ce-b6b8-2c63b320dd78.html
You were actually correct. They did promote Eversgerd from within.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on October 27, 2017, 03:57:02 pm
You were actually correct. They did promote Eversgerd from within.

Well, as bullpen coach anyway. I figured he'd get the big job. I'm fine with a push on that one.  ;D
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on November 13, 2017, 03:53:06 pm
I notice we are in talks with Darvish and Arrietta. Personally, I would like to keep Lynn instead of trying to pick up Yu Darvish.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Dropkick on November 13, 2017, 03:58:30 pm
Lynn would probably be cheaper and might perform as well.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on November 13, 2017, 05:39:50 pm
I like Lynn. I like his toughness. I also would love to pick up Jake Arrietta for the same reason. I think he would like to come and be reunited with his old buddy Carp.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on November 19, 2017, 09:56:26 pm
The Cardinals have supposedly made a formal offer for Stanton.

This is going to be really interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on November 21, 2017, 12:38:55 am
Hoping for good news soon.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on November 21, 2017, 09:36:39 pm
Hoping for good news soon.

Everything Iím reading right now says Giants, but weíll see. Nobody really knows anything.

Between the two the Cardinals can put the better prospect package on the table but this is a different situation. Itís not about what the Marlins want for Stanton. Itís about where Stanton wants to go more than anything else. From stuff I have read it seems like he values going to a winner.

I expect a miss, but Iím glad the Cardinals are in the mix.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on November 30, 2017, 03:47:22 pm
Holliday helping the Cardinals out, putting out a good sales pitch to Stanton:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/benjamin-hochman/matt-holliday-makes-strong-st-louis-sales-pitch-to-stanton/article_f2e09093-2273-5322-872b-64e0b7b6e1d6.html
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on December 01, 2017, 07:10:04 pm
Heating up, Cardinals Reps are meeting with Stanton's people:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/cardinals-officials-are-meeting-with-stanton-s-reps/article_1bffc003-5099-5e83-8abc-9d5e96172ee3.html
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 01, 2017, 08:39:55 pm
This could get fun real soon. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 01, 2017, 08:44:17 pm
Have you noticed that John Mozeliak is still doing the work of GM even though he has been promoted.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 01, 2017, 08:45:32 pm
Just seeing where Aledmas Diaz has been traded. Details later.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on December 01, 2017, 09:42:23 pm
Have you noticed that John Mozeliak is still doing the work of GM even though he has been promoted.

Yes, I think he got out of the nitty gritty day to day stuff. He is heavily involved in the Stanton talks as he should be.

To use a bad pun, I hope they land their fish.

I just read where they may also get Brad Ziegler in a Stanton deal. Getting him would help in the bullpen.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on December 01, 2017, 09:47:24 pm
Just seeing where Aledmas Diaz has been traded. Details later.

Not to get hopes up, but this may be a roster space clearing move for a bigger deal coming.

Edit: Yes Diaz was on the 40 man roster. The Cardinals now have 38 on their 40 man roster.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 02, 2017, 09:49:45 pm
Iím also hearing a little rumor about possibly Evan Longoria from TB. Anyone else hearing this?
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on December 03, 2017, 12:43:31 am
Iím also hearing a little rumor about possibly Evan Longoria from TB. Anyone else hearing this?

Read his name mentioned somewhere too. Interesting move, I'm glad they're looking at bats.

Everything is crawling or not moving at all because of Stanton. I'm not pessimistic about landing him, I think there's a decent chance. I expect things to heat up this week before the winter meetings.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: jrulz83 on December 03, 2017, 08:18:43 pm
Sounds like a full court press. The Cardinals are supposedly offering to take on more money than the Giants. This is really fun to watch:

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/937441320230105090
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: DZ on December 08, 2017, 07:00:46 pm
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21713148/giancarlo-stanton-declines-trades-agreed-san-francisco-giants-st-louis-cardinals
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 08, 2017, 07:31:02 pm
I think we should move on. Too many good pieces out there.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: DZ on December 09, 2017, 11:55:11 am
I think we should move on. Too many good pieces out there.
Stanton already moved on, declined trade to Cardinals..
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: ghostzapper on December 13, 2017, 12:29:02 pm
Cards get Ozuna.  Trade pieces not yet announced
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Bigfoot on December 13, 2017, 01:46:18 pm
Stanton already moved on, declined trade to Cardinals..

He's a Yankee now.

Somehow I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: ghostzapper on December 13, 2017, 02:44:12 pm
Cards shopping Piscotty to As.  Grichuk will probably be a piece to Rays if something materializes there.  Mo kicking the tires on Machado.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on December 13, 2017, 02:44:44 pm
Ozuna's 2017 was a nice breakout season.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on December 13, 2017, 07:02:32 pm
https://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/reports-st-louis-cardinals-acquire-marcell-ozuna-from-miami-marlins-121317

Hereís a link.

No details yet on the deal.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on December 13, 2017, 07:36:04 pm
Here are some details:

The deal, first reported by SiriusXM, is pending a physical. In return, the Marlins will receive right-handed pitching prospect Sandy Alcantara, outfielder Magneuris Sierra, right-hander Zac Gallen and lefty Daniel Castano, according to the Miami Herald.


http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21758007/miami-marlins-trade-marcell-ozuna-st-louis-cardinals
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: pigture perfect on December 13, 2017, 08:41:18 pm
I like this deal better than Stanton. I would have loved to get GS, but getting someone almost as good for much less leaves more room for other impact players. I just hate that the Yanks got him though.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on December 14, 2017, 01:12:40 am
I like this deal better than Stanton. I would have loved to get GS, but getting someone almost as good for much less leaves more room for other impact players. I just hate that the Yanks got him though.

Zac Gallen is probably gonna be really good ó and thereís the fact that OF really isnít the priority for this team. Moreover, I would expect Ozunaís offensive numbers to drop a bit when heís not hitting next to Giancarlo Stanton.

But all in all this is the type of move that the Cardinals never make but we need. It will give us a strong bat in the middle of the lineup and maybe free us up to move a couple of the big league OF pieces for a 1B bat and some bullpen depth.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: Bigfoot on December 14, 2017, 09:45:59 am
I like this deal better than Stanton. I would have loved to get GS, but getting someone almost as good for much less leaves more room for other impact players. I just hate that the Yanks got him though.

Me too.

Stanton and Judge being on the same team should be illegal.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: McKdaddy on December 14, 2017, 01:06:32 pm
I'd be more upset if the cubs had wanted & gotten him. 
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: popcornhog on December 14, 2017, 02:42:46 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/thanks-cardinals-trade-stephen-piscotty-can-now-closer-ailing-mom-185406307.html

Baseball is a business, but itís not always cold and unfeeling. On Wednesday, the St. Louis Cardinals traded outfielder Stephen Piscotty to the Oakland Athletics. After the Cards traded for Marcell Ozuna, Piscotty was the odd man out. But the trade was about more than just clearing roster space. It was also about sending Piscotty back home to be near his mother.
Title: Re: Redbird Rundown XI
Post by: ghostzapper on December 14, 2017, 05:04:00 pm
Weíve apparently moved on from any deal with Rays.  I hope that isnít true.