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Title: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: The_Boot_stops_here on January 22, 2015, 08:40:10 am
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/1/22/7871241/tennessee-pulls-offer-from-commit-with-4-3-gpa-coach-says
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: WooPig90 on January 22, 2015, 08:42:35 am
Weren't we recruiting him at one point too? IIRC
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: COCHISE on January 22, 2015, 08:45:31 am
Weren't we recruiting him at one point too? IIRC
Yep. This will be one to watch for sure.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: TheShow on January 22, 2015, 08:46:30 am
I've been wondering how the recruiting numbers were gonna work since Butch Jones arrived here in knoxville.  Question is, would you rather be cutting kids loose at this time or keeping your foot on the gas pedal trying to finish the class strong?
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: colbs on January 22, 2015, 08:48:26 am
I have always wondered if this will come back to bite Tennessee by taking so many commits. Jones has to burn some bridges by pulling offers and asking current players to look elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: wholehog92 on January 22, 2015, 08:48:39 am
http://www.tampabay.com/hometeam/blog/east-bay-de-marques-ford-decommits-tennessee/21958/

link to original article if you are interested in reading it.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: onebadrubi on January 22, 2015, 08:49:11 am
This is just wrong.  He's been committed that long and they  wait till now?  This should affect them on the recruiting trail, but it won't.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: The_Iceman on January 22, 2015, 08:49:26 am
http://247sports.com/Player/Marques-Ford-43451
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: outlawhogeywells on January 22, 2015, 08:57:33 am
So did he decommit or did Tenner cut him loose?
And based on our numbers do we take another DE/LB?  I say yes
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: PorkRinds on January 22, 2015, 09:01:15 am
They're making it work by dropping committed kids from their scholarships.  May work, but may end up biting them in the rear if they get a reputation for it.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on January 22, 2015, 09:10:54 am
They're making it work by dropping committed kids from their scholarships.  May work, but may end up biting them in the rear if they get a reputation for it.
IMO you are playing with fire to some degree doing this. While I understand the # crunch gets a lot of schools toward the end of the recruiting season, the habit most programs don't want to get into is to be seen as dropping kids at this last minute.

I have a source in Kville that says that UT is currently riding a real wave of "legacies" which have helped fuel the upturn in classes the last several years. Obviously these former players have led many of their own sons to sign up with Tenny. This doesn't last forever and what I think "big orange" needs to be careful of is that they don't burn too many bridges behind them. Then again, if they do I have no problem with any issues they may create for themselves down the road.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Hoggish1 on January 22, 2015, 09:17:06 am
I have always wondered if this will come back to bite Tennessee by taking so many commits. Jones has to burn some bridges by pulling offers and asking current players to look elsewhere. 

They really don't care.  "Yall come and we'll dump you if we have to at the end to make the numbers work..." —Butch Jones
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: online-with-swine on January 22, 2015, 09:21:43 am
They're making it work by dropping committed kids from their scholarships.  May work, but may end up biting them in the rear if they get a reputation for it.

Exactly.  High school coaches don't take to kindly to their players getting screwed over.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Hogarusa on January 22, 2015, 09:26:48 am
It will Certainly be a negative hit to Tennessee but if kids can de commit then I don't see an issue with a school yanking their offer.  I doubt a 4 star player with a 4.0+ GPA will have a difficult time finding another school that wants him.  It's business, nothing personal.  Worked out for the Hogs and Philon
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on January 22, 2015, 10:30:53 am
We were #2 on this kid when he committed to Tennesee. Rory and Rob are still on him and last night Coach B was in Bartow, Fl, just inland from Gibsonton, Fl near Tampa (East Bay). Could be that other DE we are looking for if we can't get Zuniga or TJ.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: WooPig90 on January 22, 2015, 11:17:05 am
They just lost their OC
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: dhizzle on January 22, 2015, 11:38:21 am
This is why you don't take 30 commits. Coaches have to pull scholarships and then they look like turds.
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Post by: racinghog on January 22, 2015, 12:01:07 pm
Exactly.  High school coaches don't take to kindly to their players getting screwed over.
Exactly, some SEC schools with certain coaches are not allowed on our campus.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Huds_HawgTide on January 22, 2015, 12:03:13 pm
It will start hurting em prob as soon as 2016 class...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jb11 on January 22, 2015, 12:09:01 pm
He waited this long because he knows most of his opponents are full in this area so the list of teams he can go to is less and a less likelihood of him coming back and biting UT with his play.

It should hurt their reputation. Even though people say kids can decommit, universities should hold themselves to a higher standard than that of an 18 yr old.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: redeye on January 22, 2015, 12:13:43 pm
It will Certainly be a negative hit to Tennessee but if kids can de commit then I don't see an issue with a school yanking their offer.  I doubt a 4 star player with a 4.0+ GPA will have a difficult time finding another school that wants him.  It's business, nothing personal.  Worked out for the Hogs and Philon

I don't think either is right.  Every situation is different and I'm not saying it's always wrong, but this is the 3rd or 4th time it's happened to Tennessee in the past month and it may still happen more.  I believe they were all asked to leave and Tennessee last offered another player 2 days ago, so they're still recruiting new talent.

Having said that, I'm not sure anyone knows the recruiting game as well as Tennessee, so it's interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ZERO on January 22, 2015, 01:38:18 pm
Tennessee should be well over what they can sign, right? How many more players could possibly get cut by the end of this? Is this guy the only one?

I hope we can swoop in and benefit from this. 24/7 says he's a strong Rutgers lean.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: redswarmrising on January 22, 2015, 01:49:52 pm
would be great if the hogs could get him,with TN being on the schedule this coming season  :)
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: wholehog92 on January 22, 2015, 03:13:42 pm
I would be looking at every player on TN's commit list and checking to see if there's any I want.  I'd contact them and show them the number of commits and this story.  Offer them some security.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Music City Hog on January 22, 2015, 04:01:47 pm
They really don't care.  "Yall come and we'll dump you if we have to at the end to make the numbers work..." —Butch Jones


I wish we could dump 4 stars at the end because we didn't have room.   They will sign over 25 again.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Danny J on January 22, 2015, 04:19:15 pm
I would love to get these kids that have chips on their shoulders. More guys like Philon. Playing in the same league also.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ricepig on January 22, 2015, 04:23:35 pm

I wish we could dump 4 stars at the end because we didn't have room.   They will sign over 25 again.

Well, he can't do it forever.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: redeye on January 22, 2015, 06:31:44 pm
Tenner received another commitment today.

http://247sports.com/Player/John-Kelly-23718 (http://247sports.com/Player/John-Kelly-23718)
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on January 25, 2015, 01:26:49 pm
Wes Rucker @wesrucker247  ·  16 hours ago
Underlying theme in #Vols search for OC is easy to spot: Keep the train on the same track. Don’t bring in someone who wants to change a lot.

Vols have recruited to specific offensive style for a few years now. Even if they wanted to change, that wouldn’t be easy.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on January 26, 2015, 10:50:53 am
Tennessean: Recruiting numbers don't always add up (http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/01/25/college-football-recruiting-national-signing-day/22328301)

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Get ready for some creative accounting...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on January 30, 2015, 07:41:33 am
Four-star linebacker Quart'e Sapp from Milton, Ga., announced Thursday that he is coming to Tennessee.

At the start of his announcement Sapp laid out three hats from the University of Miami, Michigan State and Missouri and when the time came to announce what school he picked, Sapp reached down to unveil a fourth hidden UT cap.

The Vols have 29 commitments for the 2015 class, including one five-star prospect and 14 four-stars in the 247Sports Composite. (http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/football/4-star-lb-quarte-sapp-picks-vols)

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The 6-foot-1.5, 200-pound Sapp — who's ranked the nation's No. 231 overall prospect and No. 14 outside linebacker in the 247Sports Composite — helped the Vols pull further ahead of Clemson for the No. 4 spot in 247Sports' team rankings. Alabama remains No. 1, followed by Florida State and Southern California.

Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on January 31, 2015, 12:55:51 pm
Riley Blevins @Riley_Blevins  ·  13 hours ago
Meanwhile, Ole Miss 5-star OT commit Drew Richmond is currently at Tennessee. It's going to be a very interesting few days for the Rebels.

Ben Frederickson @Ben_Fred  ·  2 hours ago
Tennessee students are chanting "We want Richmond" for official visitor Drew Richmond. #cruitin'
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 01, 2015, 10:53:32 am
JC Shurburtt @jcshurburtt  ·  16 hours ago

Per #Vols #ClassCalculator (check the link), UT moves to No. 2 (for now) if it flips Drew Richmond http://bit.ly/1tMMilZ  @wesrucker247

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Projected Team Score with 29 Commits 280.3
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 02, 2015, 02:11:05 pm
Laszlo Toser @LToser  ·  38 minutes ago

Honored and blessed to announce that I have committed to The University of Tennessee!! Go Vols🍊

2014 Tennessee Titans Mr. Football Kicker of the Year

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/549747855414792192/4dIM02pr_400x400.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 03, 2015, 10:08:00 am
Ryan Callahan @RyanCallahan247  ·  10 hours ago

#Vols are No. 4 in @247Sports' 2015 team rankings. Adding top-100 OT Drew Richmond would move UT up to No. 2: (FREE) http://bit.ly/1bGslPz

Tennessee  Total: 28; 1 5-star; 14 4-stars...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 09:02:56 am
Patrick Brown @patrickbrownTFP  ·  19 seconds ago

Updated list of Tennessee's signees and their capsules. #Vols have signed 11 this morning. http://bit.ly/1DEVCZF

Plus 10 early enrollees, 7 verbals not yet signed, and any new commits.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 09:50:35 am
Josh Ward @Josh_Ward  ·  33 minutes ago

Butch Jones after Kahlil McKenzie signed with Tennessee: "The things we do for recruiting."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Am083IgAABtd2.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 09:51:47 am
Vols are sitting at 29 as of right now.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: NaturalStateReb on February 04, 2015, 09:57:56 am
I don't think there are shenanigans going on here, but I do think that Tennessee is pursuing a short-term game, long-term loss strategy here.  Clearly, they think they need the short-term gains, but if they keep at this I think it's going to get harder for them on the recruiting trail.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 11:58:21 am
Sometimes it's about more than numbers. The numbers will work out. They always do.

@GrantRamey @GrantRamey  ·  4 hours ago

Holy Preston Williams

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9AYUJ_IcAAd3yv.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 01:32:21 pm
Ryan Callahan @RyanCallahan247  ·  2 hours ago

Here's an updated look at the #Vols' 2015 signing class, which consists of 29 players: (FREE READ) http://bit.ly/10iCRMq

Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on February 04, 2015, 02:24:59 pm
Sometimes it's about more than numbers. The numbers will work out. They always do.

Translation:   "We have no friggin idea how we'll get the numbers to work out, but if it means we have to run off some benchwarmers and injured guys, then by golly we will."
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 02:44:32 pm
Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB  ·  30 minutes ago

#Vols coach Butch Jones talks to @FoxSports about the nation's #1 recruit Kahlil McKenzie & more. WATCH: http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/video?vid=393791043777 …
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2015, 04:00:57 pm
Patrick Brown @patrickbrownTFP  ·  54 minutes ago

Butch says Tennessee really 'needed to address some issues' on offensive and defensive lines.

Butch: 'With Kahlil McKenzie you have the complete package.'

Butch on McKenzie using Twitter to recruit everybody: 'He's almost too active.' He said this with a giant grin.

Butch on Tennessee signing three quarterbacks: 'Not one quarterback asked me about the other individual or who we were recruiting.'

Butch says he's 'closing in' on an offensive coordinator, hopes to make hire by the end of the week.

Butch added that having just one returning scholarship QB was appealing to guys they were recruiting.

Butch says early enrollees Kyle Phillips (shoulder surgery) and Darrin Kirkland (torn pectoral) will miss spring practice.

Butch says the depth at running back is 'a big concern.' #Vols have just three on scholarship. #signingday
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on February 04, 2015, 04:16:57 pm
Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB  ·  30 minutes ago

#Vols coach Butch Jones talks to @FoxSports about the nation's #1 recruit Kahlil McKenzie & more. WATCH: http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/video?vid=393791043777 …

???  What service had McKenzie rated the nation's #1 recruit?  Rivals had him #6.  ESPN had him #26. 
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ricepig on February 04, 2015, 05:02:34 pm
???  What service had McKenzie rated the nation's #1 recruit?  Rivals had him #6.  ESPN had him #26. 

Rocky Top Times
Title: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: NorCalRazorback on February 04, 2015, 07:08:13 pm
can someone please explain (accurately) how Tennessee (and other schools) can sign more than the NCAA allows?  When I played - there was a limit of like 25 or so... And I thought there was a limit now?  Is it 27? 

Also how come we don't sign more than we do every year?
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: jacobp on February 04, 2015, 07:10:58 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: NorCalRazorback on February 04, 2015, 07:15:05 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year

I am not bitching.  My logic works like this:  look how friggin great we just did... Imagine if we could sign as many as they do and not get sanctioned by the NCAA.  Those guys out rank us in recruiting only because they sign 84 kids every year!
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: ricepig on February 04, 2015, 07:15:59 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year

Yep, just like Bama. Dee Liner is transferring out, was a 4* or 5*, rated as the #4 DT his Sr year.
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: Danny J on February 04, 2015, 07:17:39 pm
I am not bitching.  My logic works like this:  look how friggin great we just did... Imagine if we could sign as many as they do and not get sanctioned by the NCAA.  Those guys out rank us in recruiting only because they sign 84 kids every year!
They signed 84 kids this year?
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: snoblind on February 04, 2015, 07:20:08 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year


I didn't read it as complaining about them doing better.
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: Athog on February 04, 2015, 07:22:50 pm
Well one thing is for sure no one can explain or answer your question!!
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: 770john111 on February 04, 2015, 07:23:37 pm
Not sure but didn't they have 32 last year.oh yeah their stadium is bigger.
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: Darrell Royal's Floating Flaming Fulminating Spectral Head on February 04, 2015, 07:23:42 pm
They signed 84 kids this year?

My sources say they signed 137 kids this year.

Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: Darrell Royal's Floating Flaming Fulminating Spectral Head on February 04, 2015, 07:28:26 pm
http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2014/12/17/7392753/tennessee-football-recruiting-update-how-many-can-the-vols-take (http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2014/12/17/7392753/tennessee-football-recruiting-update-how-many-can-the-vols-take)
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: mhuff on February 04, 2015, 07:29:45 pm
My sources say they signed 137 kids this year.


Maybe they're short.
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: TNhawgfan on February 04, 2015, 07:37:21 pm
No one in Knoxville understands it either. Last year they said most of them were legacies. I don't know what the rationale will be this year
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: rwspear on February 04, 2015, 07:43:02 pm
79??? zomg
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: latrops on February 04, 2015, 07:47:09 pm
Well one thing is for sure no one can explain or answer your question!!

There is an answer, but it is complicated and there are a few "loopholes". 

First...Players who do not sign a letter of intent, but rather enroll in January for the spring semester as "early enrollees," don't count against the 25 if there is room left over from the previous recruiting class.

Second...while 25 is the "official" number allowed per year, you can actually go to 28 as long as you don't go over the 85 man limit.

Third...some are expected to not qualify or be greyshirted.  Point being, while LOIs may be signed, not all 30something players are actually ultimately going to be granted a scholarship. 

This info is dated...if rules have changed in the last couple of years I don't really know...just summarizing my understanding.

At least that's the gist of how aTm did it a couple of years ago...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2013/1/22/3883100/texas-a-m-aggies-football-recruiting-how-can-a-m-take-34-recruits-in-2013 (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2013/1/22/3883100/texas-a-m-aggies-football-recruiting-how-can-a-m-take-34-recruits-in-2013)
Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: ArmyOfnobunaga on February 04, 2015, 07:48:46 pm
My housekeepers sister who works in knoxville and is a housekeeper says that they give all recruits all the tres leches they can eat a year for signing there.

That is my sauce.

Title: Re: How does Tennessee sign a class with 79 signees
Post by: hoggusamoungus on February 04, 2015, 07:56:44 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year

http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/football/jenkins-wharton-granted-releases-sawyers-dismissed_42943570
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: NaturalStateReb on February 05, 2015, 06:38:59 am
I am not bitching.  My logic works like this:  look how friggin great we just did... Imagine if we could sign as many as they do and not get sanctioned by the NCAA.  Those guys out rank us in recruiting only because they sign 84 kids every year!

So, why can't you?
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 05, 2015, 07:30:03 am
Chris Low @ClowESPN  ·  15 hours ago

Vols with another top 5 class this year. One thing to remember, though, is that 7 four-star players from '14 class are gone or transferring.
Title: signing more than 25
Post by: outlawhogeywells on February 05, 2015, 08:44:36 am
Can someone explain the chinese math that is involved in being able to sign more than the 25?  As in how can Tennessee continue to sign upwards of 30?  Coach B said yesterday we had room for 28 but could only sign 25. 
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: hoggusamoungus on February 05, 2015, 08:47:12 am
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/01/25/college-football-recruiting-national-signing-day/22328301/


Point of order: By rule, the 25-player maximum does not take effect until the start of preseason practice. If you can figure out a way to get your list of newcomers down to 25 by then, you're in compliance.

There are many ways to massage the numbers. Take UT's 2014 recruiting class, for example. On signing day last year, Vols coach Butch Jones explained that he was counting some of the signees, who already were enrolled in school, against the previous year's class, which had totaled 21.  By the time UT started preseason practice, the Vols were under the wire.

Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: immahog on February 05, 2015, 08:49:16 am
this has been my question
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: jacobp on February 05, 2015, 08:54:46 am
also regarding UT, there are 8 players from their 2014 class ranked 4* or higher that are no longer on the team.

Title: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: rhog1 on February 05, 2015, 09:30:26 am
http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/football/southdoyles-joc-bruce-says-he-will-blueshirt-at-tennessee_99441053
I didn't see this talked about here.
"Blueshirting means that the player must arrive at school as a walk-on having not taken an official visit to campus, having not received an in-home visit from the coaching staff and having not signed a letter of intent or any promise of academic aid. The player could be granted a scholarship once preseason practice begins and not count against that class."

Seems Tennessee is using a loophole to sign so many kids.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: dhizzle on February 05, 2015, 09:31:49 am
This is how the Vols signed 29 this year.

The Vols signed 17 players on Wednesday, adding that group to the 10 who enrolled in January. Tennessee will also blueshirt two players, multi-purpose athletes Jocquez Bruce of South-Doyle and Vincent Perry of Hillsboro. Bruce and Perry did not take an official visit to UT, did not receive in-home visits from coaches and did not sign National Letters of Intent on Wednesday, but they will join the program for preseason practice and be placed on scholarship at that time. Their scholarships will not count against the limit of 25 for the 2015 class but will count against the limit for the 2016 class.

Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: dhizzle on February 05, 2015, 09:34:42 am
"The Vols signed 17 players on Wednesday, adding that group to the 10 who enrolled in January. Tennessee will also blueshirt two players, multi-purpose athletes Jocquez Bruce of South-Doyle and Vincent Perry of Hillsboro. Bruce and Perry did not take an official visit to UT, did not receive in-home visits from coaches and did not sign National Letters of Intent on Wednesday, but they will join the program for preseason practice and be placed on scholarship at that time. Their scholarships will not count against the limit of 25 for the 2015 class but will count against the limit for the 2016 class."
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: hawginbigd1 on February 05, 2015, 09:37:47 am
I have been following recruiting for a long time and this year is the first time I have heard Blue shirting, Blue shirts are unofficialy recruited guys, no in-home or OV allowed, but they can walk-on on signing day and today can be given a scholarship that will count against next years total. This would be another way to get around the mythical 25.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: rhog1 on February 05, 2015, 09:38:41 am
"The Vols signed 17 players on Wednesday, adding that group to the 10 who enrolled in January. Tennessee will also blueshirt two players, multi-purpose athletes Jocquez Bruce of South-Doyle and Vincent Perry of Hillsboro. Bruce and Perry did not take an official visit to UT, did not receive in-home visits from coaches and did not sign National Letters of Intent on Wednesday, but they will join the program for preseason practice and be placed on scholarship at that time. Their scholarships will not count against the limit of 25 for the 2015 class but will count against the limit for the 2016 class."
It is a way for them to take a marginal prospect that they don't want to risk a scholarship spot on from this class on, and if the kid doesn't work out then I am sure he will be phased out by this time next year and they can try again without impacting current class numbers.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Hogfaniam on February 05, 2015, 09:48:14 am
Sounds like bull shirting to me.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: DeltaBoy on February 05, 2015, 09:51:54 am
Fuzzy common Core Math.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: apcapri on February 05, 2015, 09:52:25 am
Says they count against 2016 so I guess next year they have 23?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2015, 09:54:22 am
Says they count against 2016 so I guess next year they have 23?

Until they get 10 kids to do the same for 2016. Butch is mortgaging his future now, it's going to hard on the next guy.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: PorkRinds on February 05, 2015, 09:55:56 am
Says they count against 2016 so I guess next year they have 23?

Unless those kids don't work out, then it's no harm no foul.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: SpineHog on February 05, 2015, 09:56:00 am
Says they count against 2016 so I guess next year they have 23?

As of now yes, but they apparently plan to show several kids the door each year so it won't actually affect the availability of 2016 spots by this time next year. 4-year scholarships, despite some of their downsides, will hopefully close this loophole.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: Hogfaniam on February 05, 2015, 09:57:11 am
Basically, you can bring in as many  as you want, but you can't have more than 85 on scholarship.  Grayshirt, blue shirt, bull shirt.  What a chess game.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on February 05, 2015, 09:57:33 am
As of now yes, but they apparently plan to show several kids the door each year so it won't actually affect the availability of 2016 spots by this time next year. 4-year scholarships, despite some of their downsides, will hopefully close this loophole.

Show enough kids the door and keep losing you'll see the media feelay him.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: apcapri on February 05, 2015, 10:00:03 am
Unless those kids don't work out, then it's no harm no foul.

So it's not like if a kid signs and doesn't make it the scholarship is lost?  Like if Reed doesn't pass algebra then we lose that scholly...can't use it for someone else and count back.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on February 05, 2015, 10:02:05 am
Show enough kids the door and keep losing you'll see the media feelay him.

Tennessee fans - and even some in the media - are so starved for a decent football team that they don't care about how he gets it done, just as long as he does get it done.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 10:02:11 am
Until they get 10 kids to do the same for 2016. Butch is mortgaging his future now, it's going to hard on the next guy.

Well hold on, think about this.  He's getting them enrolled as a freshman on family or financed dimes.  So it's paid for!  The kids are led to believe they will be given a scholarship, or else they probably wouldn't bother with this process.  Come time to find out if they will get one or not, they will have settled in, got laid a few times, and made friends (probably not the same as the previous thought).  They will then most likely at least ride out the first entire semester and then look at options.  even then they may not be interested in leaving where they are at. 

The vols are not making long term wise decisions.  He is flying by the seat of his pants and making decisions for now.  Compare his tactics to Bielema's, whose do you prefer?

Also, if this loophole was there then you can't get mad at them for exploiting it.  Don't hate the playa, hate the game.  At least if they were to offer the scholarship it would count against the future class. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 10:03:31 am
So it's not like if a kid signs and doesn't make it the scholarship is lost?  Like if Reed doesn't pass algebra then we lose that scholly...can't use it for someone else and count back.

They aren't promised a scholarship, where as now yes reed owns that scholarship against the 25 for 2 years, no matter what, even if he can't enrol.  From my understanding.

Also, does ANYONE really believe these kids and their parents weren't visited and this planned laid out?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: LRHawg on February 05, 2015, 10:05:18 am
Pretty scummy way of doing recruiting, but hey if you ain't cheatin you ain't trying I guess, to some folks.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: apcapri on February 05, 2015, 10:07:42 am
They aren't promised a scholarship, where as now yes reed owns that scholarship against the 25 for 2 years, no matter what, even if he can't enrol.  From my understanding.

Also, does ANYONE really believe these kids and their parents weren't visited and this planned laid out?

I see. Until they are offered the scholarship then it just a normal walk on.

It says in home...just meet somewhere else.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: snoblind on February 05, 2015, 10:09:04 am
Now you know why the SEC requires college Algebra...


;)
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: LRHawg on February 05, 2015, 10:10:58 am
It amazes me that they've done as well as they have with these practices. Who wants to risk being left out if things don't work out? I guess kids will always have the mentality that it won't happen to them, though.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Hogsmo Kramer on February 05, 2015, 10:32:24 am
This is playing with dynamite IMO.

I guarantee you they're telling these kids they'll get a schollie and when enough of them don't they'll get pissed and I bet some stuff starts leaking out.

Just feels really fishy to me and I'll be surprised if Butch doesn't end up with egg on his face in the end.

We'll see though I could be wrong.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: Hoggish1 on February 05, 2015, 10:33:21 am
I guess kids will always have the mentality that it won't happen to them, though.

You know how bullet proof kids are in their late teens...
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Hoggish1 on February 05, 2015, 10:40:06 am
I like BB's way.  When you maneuver, you don't always remember the intricate moves you set in motion, or the promises you or they thought were made.

Let's just go over to Knoxville and take care of business next fall and let Butch explain it to his fans and players...
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: bigdaddyhawg on February 05, 2015, 10:40:07 am
also regarding UT, there are 8 players from their 2014 class ranked 4* or higher that are no longer on the team.

Dadgum, I had not read that.  That's pretty freaking amazing, even for a place like Tenn.

Wonder if all that stuff might end up affecting their academic progress thingee that I can't at this moment remember the acronym for?
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: dhizzle on February 05, 2015, 10:46:19 am
Dadgum, I had not read that.  That's pretty freaking amazing, even for a place like Tenn.

Wonder if all that stuff might end up affecting their academic progress thingee that I can't at this moment remember the acronym for?

APR and yes it could down the road.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: KMB90 on February 05, 2015, 10:47:35 am
I have been following recruiting for a long time and this year is the first time I have heard Blue shirting, Blue shirts are unofficialy recruited guys, no in-home or OV allowed, but they can walk-on on signing day and today can be given a scholarship that will count against next years total. This would be another way to get around the mythical 25.

New Mexico St has been doing this for years. It is not a new development.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: rwspear on February 05, 2015, 10:48:36 am
they plan on kids leaving for..... whatever reason
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: STLhawg on February 05, 2015, 11:05:04 am
Also, does ANYONE really believe these kids and their parents weren't visited and this planned laid out?
I noticed that both those kids visited UT numerous times on unofficial visits (at least according to 247sports) and both kids were showing as offered during the summer.

What I also wonder is why recruiting services count theses kids for schools like UT (and USCe) but they don't count Arkansas' 3* walk-ons.  It seems like they favoring the other schools to help their recruiting score out.  Just more proof these recruiting rankings are far from exact and should be taken with a grain of salt!
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on February 05, 2015, 11:11:17 am
I don't understand why any kid would do this. I mean, if you're good enough to be looked at by Tenner, then you're probably good enough to start at a non-power five or a D2 school with a scholarship.

With the growth of CFB and associated media, it's not like you can't get your name out to NFL scouts anyway. After all, didn't that Rook who caught the Super Bowl winning INT come out of lowly West Alabama?

Why risk your education like this? Makes no sense.  ???
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 11:12:23 am
I noticed that both those kids visited UT numerous times on unofficial visits (at least according to 247sports) and both kids were showing as offered during the summer.

What I also wonder is why recruiting services count theses kids for schools like UT (and USCe) but they don't count Arkansas' 3* walk-ons.  It seems like they favoring the other schools to help their recruiting score out.  Just more proof these recruiting rankings are far from exact and should be taken with a grain of salt!

First post?  Welcome aboard.

I believe it is subscriptions.  Having three solid walk-ons doesn't get opposing message boards to talk about your story and share it...see this thread.  Pulling out the school that is asking kids to "Blue shirt" who I bet 100 of the Div 1 football coaches didn't exist or an instance of what happened to the RB out of SC. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 11:13:09 am
I don't understand why any kid would do this. I mean, if you're good enough to be looked at by Tenner, then you're probably good enough to start at a non-power five or a D2 school with a scholarship.

With the growth of CFB and associated media, it's not like you can't get your name out to NFL scouts anyway. After all, didn't that Rook who caught the Super Bowl winning INT come out of lowly West Alabama?

Why risk your education like this? Makes no sense.  ???

I would have rather taken an invited walk on spot at Arkansas than take a schollie at UCA.  Just sayin...

Their education is not at risk.  They should not have made this decision without planning for the worst, paying for their education. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Tiredofhogssucking on February 05, 2015, 11:14:43 am
Does anyone have an idea on how Tenn is able to sign the following:

2013    22 recruits
2014    31 recruits
2015    29 recruits

And still claim they are not over-signing. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 11:15:32 am
Does anyone have an idea on how Tenn is able to sign the following:

2013    22 recruits
2014    31 recruits
2015    29 recruits

And still claim they are not over-signing.

Because they are orange! 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on February 05, 2015, 11:16:59 am
I would have rather taken an invited walk on spot at Arkansas than take a schollie at UCA.  Just sayin...

I get what you're saying, but you have to think long term. For a lot of these kids, this is their shot at an education and a better life. Besides, you can hope to transfer after you've proven yourself.

(edit to address your edit :p )
Their education is not at risk.  They should not have made this decision without planning for the worst, paying for their education.
I hope so. I really feel bad for the kids who get cast-off in this process.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 11:21:36 am
I get what you're saying, but you have to think long term. For a lot of these kids, this is their shot at an education and a better life. Besides, you can hope to transfer after you've proven yourself.

(edit to address your edit :p )I hope so. I really feel bad for the kids who get cast-off in this process.

They made a decision and a choice.  I understand what you are saying and can see that side of things.  But you make a decision with ample enough time and free resources to research it. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: STLhawg on February 05, 2015, 11:27:02 am
First post?  Welcome aboard.
Thanks!  I am a long-time poster on 'The Hill' forum over at Rivals (and even before that back when a guy named Booth was running the board), but that place seems to be drying up so I finally bit the bullet and registered here.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:31:33 am
It is a way for them to take a marginal prospect that they don't want to risk a scholarship spot on from this class on, and if the kid doesn't work out then I am sure he will be phased out by this time next year and they can try again without impacting current class numbers.

Actually, it's quite the opposite. It's a way for them to take guys they reallly want but would otherwise not be able to get due to te 25 limit.  They just don't do any in home visits or take an official visit.  Then the show up for school day 1, get put on scholarship, never have to pay a penny and count toward the next year
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on February 05, 2015, 11:36:34 am
Are we doing the same thing with Phillips and Reid?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:41:07 am
Are we doing the same thing with Phillips and Reid?

No. Preferred walk on means you pay own way and when a schollie comes available at some unknown point then you'll likey get it.

Gray shirt means you pay your own way for a semester then get put on schollie second semester. Counts toward following year.

Blue shirt means you get a scholarship day 1, never paying anything out of pocket but you can't take official visits or have in homes with coaches.  Counts toward following year.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: WriterWrong on February 05, 2015, 11:43:16 am
They aren't promised a scholarship, where as now yes reed owns that scholarship against the 25 for 2 years, no matter what, even if he can't enrol.  From my understanding.

Also, does ANYONE really believe these kids and their parents weren't visited and this planned laid out?

I could be wrong, but the way I see it as when the kids do show up, they are given a scholarship and that scholarship is gone from the next years class no matter what. Once the scholarship is given, there's no getting it back.

It's just awarding the scholarship at a later time, allowing them to count towards the next year's class, even though they're with the team the entire time.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: bigdaddyhawg on February 05, 2015, 11:43:53 am
APR and yes it could down the road.

THANK YOU!!  That's been bugging me, and I tried my best to find it. 

Honestly, I really hope it bites that bunch of loopholes in the rear.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:47:27 am
I could be wrong, but the way I see it as when the kids do show up, they are given a scholarship and that scholarship is gone from the next years class no matter what. Once the scholarship is given, there's no getting it back.

It's just awarding the scholarship at a later time, allowing them to count towards the next year's class, even though they're with the team the entire time.

You're correct except schollies have been on a year to year basis so it could be taken away the next year. However, now they are going to have to be 4 year schollies so once it's given, it's good for all 4 years. 

However, a coach could tell a kid "you'll never play here" and the kid would likely leave reopening that scholarship.  The kid could say "that's fine, I'll stay on the team all four years anyway to keep my scholarship". The coach could then easily make the kids life miserable to the point he changed his kind and left later on.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: nationwish on February 05, 2015, 11:49:38 am
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/01/25/college-football-recruiting-national-signing-day/22328301/


Point of order: By rule, the 25-player maximum does not take effect until the start of preseason practice. If you can figure out a way to get your list of newcomers down to 25 by then, you're in compliance.

There are many ways to massage the numbers. Take UT's 2014 recruiting class, for example. On signing day last year, Vols coach Butch Jones explained that he was counting some of the signees, who already were enrolled in school, against the previous year's class, which had totaled 21.  By the time UT started preseason practice, the Vols were under the wire.

See, this is why there is so much confusion. We were all told that the limit was on signing players, which this article says it isn't. So in the case of Reed this year, if he were to not qualify academically, he wouldn't count against Arkansas's 25 signature limit since he wouldn't be with the team during the preseason. This type of case was explicitly used as an example of what WOULD count against the 25 by dozens of people on here. So clearly the distinction of what counts when is something that there is still a lot of confusion.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Choctaw Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:52:36 am
http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/football/southdoyles-joc-bruce-says-he-will-blueshirt-at-tennessee_99441053
I didn't see this talked about here.
"Blueshirting means that the player must arrive at school as a walk-on having not taken an official visit to campus, having not received an in-home visit from the coaching staff and having not signed a letter of intent or any promise of academic aid. The player could be granted a scholarship once preseason practice begins and not count against that class."

Seems Tennessee is using a loophole to sign so many kids.

That will come back to bite them in the ass one of these days.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: WriterWrong on February 05, 2015, 11:52:56 am
You're correct except schollies have been on a year to year basis so it could be taken away the next year. However, now they are going to have to be 4 year schollies so once it's given, it's good for all 4 years. 

However, a coach could tell a kid "you'll never play here" and the kid would likely leave reopening that scholarship.  The kid could say "that's fine, I'll stay on the team all four years anyway to keep my scholarship". The coach could then easily make the kids life miserable to the point he changed his kind and left later on.

Even if a kid chooses to transfer, doesn't that scholarship just open up against the total 85? I don't think it reopens a spot in the recruiting class it was originally counting against.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: DoctorSusscrofa on February 05, 2015, 11:53:13 am
They aren't promised a scholarship, where as now yes reed owns that scholarship against the 25 for 2 years, no matter what, even if he can't enrol.  From my understanding.

Also, does ANYONE really believe these kids and their parents weren't visited and this planned laid out?

I suppose the kid and parents would be allowed an "unofficial" visit and still be eligible for blue shirt. They just can't get an in home and official visit.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 11:54:31 am
Even if a kid chooses to transfer, doesn't that scholarship just open up against the total 85? I don't think it reopens a spot in the recruiting class it was originally counting against.

I'm pretty sure that if a freshman transfers out you can't recruit a kid to fill it the next year and count it against that previous class (for instances a Early Enrollee). 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:54:42 am
Even if a kid chooses to transfer, doesn't that scholarship just open up against the total 85? I don't think it reopens a spot in the recruiting class it was originally counting against.

That's  also correct. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 11:55:12 am
I suppose the kid and parents would be allowed an "unofficial" visit and still be eligible for blue shirt. They just can't get an in home and official visit.

Correct
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on February 05, 2015, 12:08:29 pm
Correct

Don't both Reid and Phillips meet this requirement?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: redeye on February 05, 2015, 12:11:49 pm
What I also wonder is why recruiting services count theses kids for schools like UT (and USCe) but they don't count Arkansas' 3* walk-ons.  It seems like they favoring the other schools to help their recruiting score out.  Just more proof these recruiting rankings are far from exact and should be taken with a grain of salt!

If they're counting them toward UT's 2015 class, that is strange, but it probably doesn't help their class score much.  Most services won't count back to include Josh Allen, who's an actual 2015 signee, but they'll count forward to include UT's expected 2016 signees?

Does anyone have an idea on how Tenn is able to sign the following:

2013    22 recruits
2014    31 recruits
2015    29 recruits

And still claim they are not over-signing.

In addition to things like blueshirting being discussed here, Tennessee has had an awful attrition rate over the past few years.  Think they barely had enough players to field a team one year.

I agree that blueshirting seems like a way for them to scout players a little further, before deciding whether to offer.  If they actually offer all those players, then I think they're making a mistake, because with the way they're recruiting now, it's like trading 4-stars for 3-stars for their 2016 class.  I bet they don't get offered, unless they're truly special players.

P.S. to Tiredofhogssucking:  Pathetic nickname for a fan, but great for a troll.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: Oklahawg on February 05, 2015, 12:16:57 pm
USC-W did this also.

It is a roll of the dice - that getting an under-recruited (and by you, basically non-recruited) athlete whose value is they gain a season in the program vs waiting for a talent the next year.

This is for programs that need bodies now and will worry about the consequences later.

I bet this practice gets shut down soon.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 05, 2015, 12:19:02 pm
Don't both Reid and Phillips meet this requirement?

They would meet the requirement but that's not what they're doing.  They are just preferred walkons.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on February 05, 2015, 12:21:38 pm
They would meet the requirement but that's not what they're doing.  They are just preferred walkons.

Ok, but it is possible that they impress CBB hand he gives them a Schollie this year and it doesn't take a future spot correct in the 25. Is this correct?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: nationwish on February 05, 2015, 12:26:45 pm
Ok, but it is possible that they impress CBB hand he gives them a Schollie this year and it doesn't take a future spot correct in the 25. Is this correct?

If he wanted he could give one a scholarship right now and count it against this year's 25. If he were to give them one after the semester, it would count against next year's class. If they were to be on campus for two years before getting a scholarship, then it would only count against the 85 limit, and would not affect the 25 initial players for any year.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on February 05, 2015, 12:33:17 pm
If he wanted he could give one a scholarship right now and count it against this year's 25. If he were to give them one after the semester, it would count against next year's class. If they were to be on campus for two years before getting a scholarship, then it would only count against the 85 limit, and would not affect the 25 initial players for any year.

UT is giving the Schollies first year and it isn't taking away from any class by blueshirting. And these 2 kids meet the Blueshirt requirements.
Title: Re: signing more than 25
Post by: nationwish on February 05, 2015, 12:34:50 pm
One of the reasons everyone thought this rule applied to actual signings and not scholarships at the beginning of preseason practice is that coaches oversigned, then cut players who had signed and thought they had scholarships. Only limiting the signings after the fact does nothing to change that. You will still have players cut after the winter or summer semesters.

Maybe four year scholarships will help with that somewhat, but I still think the rule was meant to apply to actual signings, not strictly 25 new entrants at the beginning of practice. In fact, everything I have seen until reading this article seemed to say this was the case, so I am inclined to believe the writer's understanding is flawed.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: STLhawg on February 05, 2015, 12:35:46 pm
If they're counting them toward UT's 2015 class, that is strange, but it probably doesn't help their class score much.  Most services won't count back to include Josh Allen, who's an actual 2015 signee, but they'll count forward to include UT's expected 2016 signees?
Well those two blueshirts are being included in the 2015 class for UT -- at least on 247sports.  And yet the same website isn't counting Josh Allen or any of our 3* walk-ons as part of our 2015 class. Shenanigans I tell ya...
 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Hog1952 on February 05, 2015, 12:46:20 pm
Sounds like bull shirting to me.
^^I like^^ +1
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: colbs on February 05, 2015, 01:01:41 pm
I think I read somewhere that 7 4* from last year's class is transferring from Tennessee.  I wouldn't be surprised if all of this came back to bite them.  Especially if they don't start winning big In the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 05, 2015, 09:38:27 pm
Jimmy Hyams @JimmyHyams  ·  Feb 4
Vols signed 29 today. 4 will blueshirt, including Joc Bruce and Vincent Perry. Other 2 not yet identified but likely in-state players.

Vols can release signees who plan to blueshirt if they've already been admitted to UT. Can't release names if they haven't been admitted yet
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: texas tush hog on February 05, 2015, 10:46:41 pm
Don't both Reid and Phillips meet this requirement?

No, Reid is on scholarship now, Phillips is a walk-on, now. Totally different animal.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: OnTheHillHogFan on February 05, 2015, 10:50:14 pm
No, Reid is on scholarship now, Phillips is a walk-on, now. Totally different animal.
Reid is a walkon
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on February 05, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
No, Reid is on scholarship now, Phillips is a walk-on, now. Totally different animal.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2015/jan/07/wednesday/?f=recruiting

Reid is a walk on and both meet the BlueShirt requirements. If CBB chooses to go that route.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: 31to6 on February 06, 2015, 02:42:08 am
I don't understand why any kid would do this. I mean, if you're good enough to be looked at by Tenner, then you're probably good enough to start at a non-power five or a D2 school with a scholarship.
- Parents might be loaded boosters and the first year (or perhaps the first semester) is no big deal.

- Kid might be in-state at a place where the in-state tuition is low or free.

- Kid might have the academics to get a scholarship if the football thing doesn't pan out.

- Kid might have dreamed their whole life of being a Vol and willing to risk it to give it a shot--knowing that they can probably transfer and play at a lesser school if they don't make the cut.

We have 3, 3-star walk-ons in this class to whom the same reasoning applies. All 3 had offers from other schools. All 3 clearly want to be Hogs.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: TheRazorbackGuy on February 06, 2015, 02:44:26 am
- Parents might be loaded boosters and the first year (or perhaps the first semester) is no big deal.

- Kid might be in-state at a place where the in-state tuition is low or free.

- Kid might have the academics to get a scholarship if the football thing doesn't pan out.

- Kid might have dreamed their whole life of being a Vol and willing to risk it to give it a shot--knowing that they can probably transfer and play at a lesser school if they don't make the cut.

We have 3, 3-star walk-ons in this class to whom the same reasoning applies. All 3 had offers from other schools. All 3 clearly want to be Hogs.

Rocky Top Tenne$$ee.... Top DT in California goes to Tenne$$ee. Yeah right....
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: 31to6 on February 06, 2015, 02:45:19 am
Rocky Top Tenne$$ee.... Top DT in California goes to Tenne$$ee. Yeah right....
Or that :P
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: 31to6 on February 06, 2015, 02:54:31 am
Rocky Top Tenne$$ee.... Top DT in California goes to Tenne$$ee. Yeah right....
To be specific, I was not talking about their class, just the two "blue shirts".

Both, btw, are in-state 3-* guys.

I do prefer the up-front invited walk-on status of our guys rather than this shady blueshirt deal.

"Never visited campus", "No in-home visit".

Well, officially, but don't tell me that a kid who lives in Knoxville wasn't on campus a ton unofficially and talking to the coaches a ton.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 06:02:51 am
Rocky Top Tenne$$ee.... Top DT in California goes to Tenne$$ee. Yeah right....

His dad played at Tennessee and is the current GM of the Oakland Raiders, which is why they live in California.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 06:50:08 am
To be specific, I was not talking about their class, just the two "blue shirts".

Both, btw, are in-state 3-* guys.

I do prefer the up-front invited walk-on status of our guys rather than this shady blueshirt deal.

"Never visited campus", "No in-home visit".

Well, officially, but don't tell me that a kid who lives in Knoxville wasn't on campus a ton unofficially and talking to the coaches a ton.

You're allowed to take unofficial visits.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: TheRazorbackGuy on February 06, 2015, 09:15:21 am
His dad played at Tennessee and is the current GM of the Oakland Raiders, which is why they live in California.


I still don't buy Tenner being legit on this recruiting class. 4 different coaches in 7 years and all of the sudden have a top 5 recruiting class. What has Butch Jones ever won?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: kaki on February 06, 2015, 10:21:49 am
If they had blue shirts at UT last year, then it should have reduced the numbers for this year, so either none of the 31 last year were blue shirts, or something else factored in to the 31. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: rhog1 on February 06, 2015, 10:29:54 am
If they had blue shirts at UT last year, then it should have reduced the numbers for this year, so either none of the 31 last year were blue shirts, or something else factored in to the 31. 
They had a lot of players decide to leave the program. That takes their actual number down from the 85 total allowed. They can take as many blueshirts as they want as long as they stay under 85. If they keep blueshirting for too many years the scholarship numbers will catch up to them though.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: hogman64 on February 06, 2015, 10:44:16 am
If it is such a great idea, why isn't anyone else doing it?...
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: kaki on February 06, 2015, 10:46:20 am
They had a lot of players decide to leave the program. That takes their actual number down from the 85 total allowed. They can take as many blueshirts as they want as long as they stay under 85. If they keep blueshirting for too many years the scholarship numbers will catch up to them though.
If the information presented about blue shirts is accurate, they still impact the 25 limit, unless they have more 4 blue shirts this time, which I think they said they have 2 then the math does not work.  I understand the transfer/defections count against the 85, but they do not count against the 25.  Further if you give a walk-on a scholarship within the first two years, it is my understanding that is also factored in to the 25 limitation to prevent using the walk-on process from being a vehicle to circumvent the 25 limit. 
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: rhog1 on February 06, 2015, 10:55:46 am
Blueshirts are counted against the 25 limit for the next class. I think the theory here is to bring in all the guys they want that can help them win now and worry about recruiting smaller classes sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: RedRock on February 06, 2015, 11:00:46 am
get ready for another rule change
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 11:02:12 am
They had a lot of players decide to leave the program. That takes their actual number down from the 85 total allowed. They can take as many blueshirts as they want as long as they stay under 85. If they keep blueshirting for too many years the scholarship numbers will catch up to them though.

Thy counted like 6 back two years ago because their class three years ago was small.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 11:03:04 am
If the information presented about blue shirts is accurate, they still impact the 25 limit, unless they have more 4 blue shirts this time, which I think they said they have 2 then the math does not work.  I understand the transfer/defections count against the 85, but they do not count against the 25.  Further if you give a walk-on a scholarship within the first two years, it is my understanding that is also factored in to the 25 limitation to prevent using the walk-on process from being a vehicle to circumvent the 25 limit.

In theory, you can just borrow against the next class forever this way.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 11:04:25 am

I still don't buy Tenner being legit on this recruiting class. 4 different coaches in 7 years and all of the sudden have a top 5 recruiting class. What has Butch Jones ever won?

Their coaches are the best marketing and recruiting staff I have ever seen.  They havent shown they can coach yet.  Jury is still out on that one.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: 31to6 on February 06, 2015, 11:31:29 am
You're allowed to take unofficial visits.
I never said you weren't. Just saying that it is pretty disingenuous to put that info out about the 2 "blue shirts" when you know they both were in and around the program MORE than some of the out-of-state kids who got schollies and official visits.

Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 11:50:27 am
I never said you weren't. Just saying that it is pretty disingenuous to put that info out about the 2 "blue shirts" when you know they both were in and around the program MORE than some of the out-of-state kids who got schollies and official visits.




I dont think they were trying to hide it or trick anyone.  Apparently the kids volunteered to do it because they wanted to go to Tennessee and that was their only way.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: hobhog on February 06, 2015, 12:14:08 pm
If it is such a great idea, why isn't anyone else doing it?...
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Paul on February 06, 2015, 12:28:50 pm
Tennessee fans - and even some in the media - are so starved for a decent football team that they don't care about how he gets it done, just as long as he does get it done.
  They've never cared.  They've watched Bama cheat all those years & essentially escaped unscathed.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: rwspear on February 06, 2015, 12:41:53 pm
these shinanigans will catch up with tenner. let them have their instability and we will still have one of the lowest attrition rates in the SEC.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Paul on February 06, 2015, 01:03:27 pm
Tennessee fans - and even some in the media - are so starved for a decent football team that they don't care about how he gets it done, just as long as he does get it done.
 
They're never cared about playing by the rules.  They've watched Bama cheat forever & reap the benefits.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 01:04:35 pm
I'm confused.  What is Tennessee doing wrong?   People seem to be upset by it, but I'm not sure why it's bad.  All these kids are on scholarship.  It's just a matter of which class the scholarship is designated.  What are the shenanigans?
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: WriterWrong on February 06, 2015, 01:46:25 pm
I'm confused.  What is Tennessee doing wrong?   People seem to be upset by it, but I'm not sure why it's bad.  All these kids are on scholarship.  It's just a matter of which class the scholarship is designated.  What are the shenanigans?

They aren't doing anything wrong. Whether they sign 60+ kids in 2 years, that's all fine and dandy. They still have to stay under the 85 limit every year, so they're just playin catchup right now and will have to sign smaller classes in the future.

Not a big deal.
Title: TN expects to sign more this year and is always recruiting Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: big dread hog on February 06, 2015, 02:10:07 pm
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vols/2015/02/04/two-vols-will-blueshirt-butch-jones-vincent-perry/22897893/

BJ talks about it in the article from the TN relating to signing day. Truly a mystery that will never be resolved.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: kaki on February 06, 2015, 02:17:19 pm
Maybe not a big deal, but if makes no difference in how many you sign, why is a there the rule of 25?  Why can't you recruit as many as you want, until you get to 85?  I believe the rationale behind the rule of 25 is to let the schools know that you can not run off players and go out and sign 35 new kids to replace them.  If you run off kids, you may have rosters with less than 85 scholarship players.  Yes transfers can make up the difference, as can walk-ons after two years on campus---just not recruits.  So maybe it does make some difference, since some programs might be washing players out and adding those slots to recruiting classes.

Yes it can backfire, but Alabama has pulled the greyshirt deal and players are still lining up to play for them, so if it helps you win and gain prestige, the future negative implications might be offset by the kids and parents(and step-parents) who seem to like jumping on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 02:23:53 pm
Maybe not a big deal, but if makes no difference in how many you sign, why is a there the rule of 25?  Why can't you recruit as many as you want, until you get to 85?  I believe the rationale behind the rule of 25 is to let the schools know that you can not run off players and go out and sign 35 new kids to replace them.  If you run off kids, you may have rosters with less than 85 scholarship players.  Yes transfers can make up the difference, as can walk-ons after two years on campus---just not recruits.  So maybe it does make some difference, since some programs might be washing players out and adding those slots to recruiting classes.

Yes it can backfire, but Alabama has pulled the greyshirt deal and players are still lining up to play for them, so if it helps you win and gain prestige, the future negative implications might be offset by the kids and parents(and step-parents) who seem to like jumping on the bandwagon.


That's not what is happening.  They are limited by numbers.  They are just borrowing some from next year.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: kaki on February 06, 2015, 02:38:57 pm

That's not what is happening.  They are limited by numbers.  They are just borrowing some from next year.
Guess we are not communicating, I understand the 85 limit and am not saying they are getting more than 85. They borrowed against this year, last year and still signed more than 25, so where is the payback?  They may have had room under the 85 cap, but what I was saying was the 25 per year should prevail.  Otherwise you are rewarding them for either running kids off or making bad decisions. 

You may not remember, but there has been and may still be in the basketball recruiting process where you could give only a certain number of scholarships a year.  If your team lost more scholarship players in one year, it took more than one recruiting class to get back up to full strength, unless you awarded walk-ons or got a transfer.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: Music City Hog on February 06, 2015, 02:51:17 pm
Guess we are not communicating, I understand the 85 limit and am not saying they are getting more than 85. They borrowed against this year, last year and still signed more than 25, so where is the payback?  They may have had room under the 85 cap, but what I was saying was the 25 per year should prevail.  Otherwise you are rewarding them for either running kids off or making bad decisions. 

You may not remember, but there has been and may still be in the basketball recruiting process where you could give only a certain number of scholarships a year.  If your team lost more scholarship players in one year, it took more than one recruiting class to get back up to full strength, unless you awarded walk-ons or got a transfer.

I hear you about the 85.  I'm saying the 25 is also prevailing.  They signed so many last year because they could count so many back. This year they borrowed against next year but they are still held to the 25 per year.  How do they pay it back?  Well I guess in theory they could borrow against the next year forever.  Very creative and you'll start to see it everywhere until a rule is in place.  I think as of now they can only sign 19 next year...unless the blue shirt some and count ahead of course.
Title: Re: Tennessee Blueshirting
Post by: WriterWrong on February 06, 2015, 03:42:07 pm
I hear you about the 85.  I'm saying the 25 is also prevailing.  They signed so many last year because they could count so many back. This year they borrowed against next year but they are still held to the 25 per year.  How do they pay it back?  Well I guess in theory they could borrow against the next year forever.  Very creative and you'll start to see it everywhere until a rule is in place.  I think as of now they can only sign 19 next year...unless the blue shirt some and count ahead of course.

Exactly. Every year Tennessee blueshirts a kid, it takes a spot out of the 25 from the next year. You could say, in theory, that a team would be able to continue signing classes above 25 as long as they blue shirt players every year. But, as is the case at Tennessee, they've signed over 60 kids the past two years. Just by those numbers alone, there's almost no way they could sign a class of even 25 recruits next year and be under the 85 allowed.

It will all even itself out in the end. And, after having two really deep classes of seniors, they're likely to have one or two really shallow classes of senior depth to follow.

It's not hurting anyone, but it is a calculated risk by Tennessee in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 09, 2015, 05:43:36 pm
After classes that numbered 34 and 29 players the past two years, UT should sign a bit smaller class in '16, perhaps 20-22. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2358207-tennessee-football-recruiting-looking-ahead-to-2016-class)
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 11, 2015, 01:45:07 pm
Tennessee football has been running on the mediocrity treadmill, without a 10-win season since 2007... (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/6/7969409/tennessee-football-recruiting-2015-class-players-ratings)

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...Competing against all those schools for in-state talent is a major resource drain, comparable to Arkansas relying on DFW kids but having to beat out local Big 12 schools. After that, a Tennessee coach still has to go out of state and beat some teams on their home turf...

Tennessee landed some of the most well-known prospects, with 16 of their 29 players rated as blue chips. The Vols also landed an above-average 10 early enrollees, who are already on campus in the strength program, preparing for spring ball.

Further discussion on how the new signees meet current needs.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 12, 2015, 11:24:57 am
Patrick Brown @patrickbrownTFP  ·  37 minutes ago

Three quarterbacks in one recruiting class is an extreme rarity, but it's a route Tennessee had to go for '15. http://bit.ly/19cli6z

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Dating back to 2002, when Rivals.com became one of college football's top recruiting services, there have been just 41 two-quarterback classes in the SEC, with Missouri and Texas A&M adding one apiece in the four classes since their move from the Big 12 Conference became official.

That is 43 out of a possible 176 recruiting classes

Over the same 14-year span, there were only 10 classes with three quarterbacks before Tennessee added three in 2015.

The most recent three-quarterback classes in the SEC came in 2011, when LSU signed Zach Mettenberger, Jerrard Randall and Stephen Rivers. A junior college transfer who began his career at Georgia, Mettenberger was a two-year starter for the Tigers, and Randall (Arizona via junior college) and Rivers (Vanderbilt) transferred after two and three years at LSU.

Tennessee actually signed three quarterbacks -- Tyler Bray, Nash Nance and Matt Simms -- in 2010.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 16, 2015, 01:52:57 pm
UT Vols have six football recruits for 2016 (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2015/feb/15/vols-have-six-football-recruits-2016/288427)

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KNOXVILLE -- College football recruiting rarely stops.

As the letters of intent rolled in to complete Tennessee's 2015 signing class earlier this month, the Volunteers' coaches were continually calling prospects for the 2016 and 2017 classes.

"Everything's accelerated, everything with the recruiting process," Vols coach Butch Jones said last week. "Right now, everyone is recruiting 2016, 2017 (prospects). It's a long process.

"It's a very tedious process with junior days, and then you go into spring recruiting, and then you go into the summer months. It's critical that you get these prospective student-athletes on campus and you start building relationships with them. You can learn so much more about them when you get them on your campus.

"That's really where your relationships really start to build, start to manifest themselves. Our coaches did a great job of really getting this (2015) recruiting class to campus, and not just one or two times, but on multiple, multiple occasions. That really helps grow the relationships.

"It's nonstop, it's ever evolving each and every day, and it does become more and more accelerated."

Tennessee had seven early commitments for its 2016 class until linebacker Emanuel Bridges reopened his recruitment this past week.

After signing classes of 32 and 29 players, and with only 13 scholarship seniors for the 2015 season, Tennessee likely is headed toward a smaller class of perhaps around 20 players in 2016. But the situation with the numbers is always very fluid.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 19, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
Patrick Brown @patrickbrownTFP  ·  3 hours ago

Butch Jones says receiver Vic Wharton is 'going to transfer' from Tennessee. http://bit.ly/1DETX88

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Wharton is the second wide receiver to decide to transfer from the Vols this offseason. Rising redshirt sophomore Ryan Jenkins confirmed on his Twitter account two weeks ago he was going to leave Tennessee. Wharton is the fifth 2014 recruit to choose to transfer and 11th player overall to leave the program this offseason.

Wharton and Jenkins both remain enrolled at Tennessee, according to the university's online directory.

The Vols endured a injury-plagued season at wideout in 2014 and will welcome the returns of Josh Smith (ankle), who received a medial redshirt after playing in just three games, Marquez North (shoulder), Jason Croom (knee) and Cody Blanc (Achilles' tendon) for next season.

Leading receiver Pig Howard, talented slot receiver Von Pearson, former five-star recruit Josh Malone and the dependable Johnathon Johnson also return for Tennessee, which will add touted prospect Preston Williams, who's coming off an ACL injury, from its 2015 class...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 20, 2015, 07:17:46 pm
Patrick Brown @patrickbrownTFP  ·  Feb 19
With transfers of Drae Bowles, Nathan Peterman and Justin King, only eight players are left from Tennessee's 22-player 2012 signing class.

Vic Wharton and Justin King bring Tennessee's number of offseason departures, I believe, to 12 (10 transfers, two for off-field reasons).
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on February 26, 2015, 11:58:12 am
John Talty @JTalty  ·  20 hours ago

Central Phenix-City star Markail Benton (@king_benton_ ) picks up offer from Tennessee today.


4-star OLB
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on March 07, 2015, 04:55:27 pm
Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB  ·  4 hours ago
Former 4-star #Vols WR recruit RT @vwharton4 Excited to announce that I will be attending the University of California next year!
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on March 09, 2015, 07:45:13 pm
Dustin Dopirak @TennesseeBeat  · 
Butch Jones is speaking at a coaches' clinic in Pigeon Forge tonight. Just caught up with him a little beforehand.

Said UT will only have five totally healthy defensive linemen in spring: Butcher, Vickers, Mixon, Tuttle, Lewis.

Kyle Phillips, Curt Maggitt, Derek Barnett, Danny O'Brien are out. Corey Vereen, Owen Williams are seriously limited.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on March 11, 2015, 10:12:47 am
John Adams: UT attrition might not be a factor by fall (http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/columnists/john-adams-ut-attrition-might-not-be-a-factor-by-fall_38909775)

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Tennessee won’t have as much depth as it would like when it begins spring football later this month. But this time, the shortage can’t be attributed solely to the usual sources.

In any spring, you lose players to injuries that occurred in the previous season and require rehab or rest. And attrition is hardly unusual when a coach has just coached two seasons at a school as Butch Jones has.

However, rarely does a coach lose so many of his own recruits.

A little more than a year ago, Jones and his staff were being lauded for signing one of the top-10 recruiting classes in the country, an achievement made all the more remarkable by the failure that preceded it. They recruited like a nationally ranked program even though Tennessee had suffered through four consecutive losing seasons.

Thirteen months later, eight members of the class are no longer at UT. All eight were rated as four-star prospects by at least one recruiting service. And five of the eight chose to transfer.

The most puzzling transfer is wide receiver Vic Wharton, who was the first commitment in UT’s 2014 class. He didn’t just commit. He actively tried to persuade other recruits to follow his lead.

Wharton didn’t excel as quickly as some of his freshman classmates did last fall. But when injury struck the receiving corps, he started two games. He also caught a touchdown pass in Tennessee’s victory over Iowa in the TaxSlayer Bowl.

All of this could make you wonder if there’s something wrong lurking beneath the surface of a program seemingly ready to soar.

Jones’ third Tennessee team appears capable of winning the SEC East and is even being mentioned as a top-10 candidate.

Since the rebuilding job is on track, wouldn’t players want to stick around for what should be better times?

Maybe that’s not how some of the outgoing players saw it.

There could be a different reason for every transfer. But it’s interesting that each of the five transfers was behind another young player on the depth chart...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on June 01, 2015, 03:15:55 pm
Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247  1h1 hour ago
BREAKING: RB @josephyoung37 has enrolled at UT, giving #Vols late addition to 2015 class — http://bit.ly/1LXKOJN 

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It seemed to be only a matter of time before the three-star running back from Fairfield Central High School in Winnsboro, S.C., gave the Vols a late addition to their 2015 recruiting class, and he made his decision official Monday when he enrolled at Tennessee.

Joseph Young became the Vols’ 30th commitment for the 2015 class and joined five-star junior-college transfer Alvin Kamara and three-star athlete John Kelly in addressing Tennessee’s glaring need for additional depth at running back.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on June 02, 2015, 12:03:50 pm
Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred 2h2 hours ago

.@RyanCallahan247 tells @KNSSportspage the Vols blue-shirted 6-7 players in 15 class. Means likely fewer than 20 scholarships to give in 16.


The numbers worked out for Butch.  They always do.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on June 05, 2015, 08:13:11 pm
Patrick Brown ‏@patrickbrownTFP  Jun 4
From today's TFP: Which of Tennessee's '15 signees are and aren't on campus + blueshirts, a new punter and more. http://bit.ly/1AQuKch

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The new crop of players includes three freshmen -- athletes Jocquez Bruce and Vincent Perry and running back Joseph Youn -- who are blueshirting. A blueshirt means a prospect arrives on campus as a recruited walk-on and is placed on scholarship later. Those prospects cannot take an official visit to the school or host coaches during the recruiting process, and they count toward the following year's class.

Bruce, from Knoxville's South-Doyle High School, and Perry, out of Nashville's Hillsboro, both publicly committed to the Vols. Perry is expected to begin his career as a slot receiver. Bruce likely will start out as a running back.

Young originally committed to Charlotte in December, but the 6-foot, 192-pound running back from Fairfield Central High School in Winnsboro, S.C., received a scholarship offer from the Vols in early February and took an unofficial visit to Knoxville later that month.

Already thin in the backfield, Tennessee needed another addition after former commitments Rocky Reid (Wake Forest) and Kendall Bussey (Texas A&M) signed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on June 07, 2015, 08:24:36 am
Lemond Johnson ‘no longer a member’ of Vols football team (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/07/lemond-johnson-no-longer-a-member-of-vols-football-team)

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Over the last week or so, Tennessee has been the beneficiary of a pair of transfers.  This weekend, they’re at the opposite end of the personnel spectrum.

A UT spokesperson confirmed to Wes Rucker of GoVols247.com that “Lemond Johnson is no longer a member of the football team.” Rucker went on to write that “Tennessee has not mentioned a reason for Johnson’s exit, and attempts to contact the player weren’t immediately successful.”

If Johnson ends up at another FBS program, he’d have to sit out the 2015 season. He would then have two seasons of eligibility remaining beginning in 2016.

Unless he can go on record and if necessary provide evidence that he was "pushed out".
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on August 07, 2015, 09:14:42 pm
Barton Simmons ‏@bartonsimmons 8h8 hours ago

2015 #Vols signee Kyle Oliver is heading to JuCo for the fall. Will sign with a 4-year College in January: http://247sports.com/Bolt/Tennessee-TE-signee-Kyle-Oliver-is-JuCo-bound-38616053 …
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on August 11, 2015, 09:06:07 am
https://twitter.com/wesrucker247/status/630734205211688964
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on August 12, 2015, 02:41:52 pm
GoVols247 ‏@GoVols247 Aug 11

Butch Jones: #Vols Sr G Marcus Jackson’s college career could be done because of arm injury...
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ALLVOL on August 13, 2015, 12:03:10 pm
Not sure, but every time someone wants to bitch about us not recruiting as well as Tennessee, remind them that 7 and soon to be 8 4* recruits from their 2014 class have already or will be transferring before the season.
Your artificial recruiting ranking doesn't mean dick if you can't keep them over a year
It's a terrible situation to be in. To have so much talent that 4 and 5 star kids transfer because they won't start.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: kaki on August 13, 2015, 03:50:16 pm
It's a terrible situation to be in. To have so much talent that 4 and 5 star kids transfer because they won't start.
A little carried away??
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ALLVOL on August 13, 2015, 10:10:48 pm
A little carried away??
Not at all. They're not leaving for any other reason.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: Theolesnort on August 14, 2015, 07:55:45 am
But in all seriousness it has to affect your developmental program. Even 4 and 5 star players need to be nurtured and developed. This is common sense and a continuous revolving door is just spinning your wheels and just recruiting a bunch of 4 stars and throwing them up against a wall and seeing if they stick may not be the most effective way to do things. just saying and to be clear the Vols and Georgia are my favorite East teams.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: ALLVOL on August 14, 2015, 08:42:11 am
But in all seriousness it has to affect your developmental program. Even 4 and 5 star players need to be nurtured and developed. This is common sense and a continuous revolving door is just spinning your wheels and just recruiting a bunch of 4 stars and throwing them up against a wall and seeing if they stick may not be the most effective way to do things. just saying and to be clear the Vols and Georgia are my favorite East teams.
I totally agree with you and if that was happening I would be worried. But there is player development going on. There are some kids who recognize they will not get much playing time so they choose to go where they can play. Most are 3 star kids but regardless, if a kid wants to go where he thinks he can play (and most will play elsewhere) why would or should a coach deny that? That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on September 07, 2015, 10:03:12 am
Patrick Brown ‏@patrickbrownTFP Sep 5

Butch's prediction Tennessee would play 23 freshmen was never realistic. Vols only reached 15 tonight.


Less than half
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on September 08, 2015, 12:08:07 pm
Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247 2h2 hours ago

Teammate: #Oklahoma OT, former UT commit Orlando Brown 'wants to get back' at #Vols (FREE) http://bit.ly/1VLiKiF

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COY8qdrUEAQ4fgl.jpg)

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Orlando Brown once was committed to Tennessee for more than nine months, but there's apparently no love lost between Brown and the Vols now that he's at Oklahoma.

"Since he's been here, Orlando has been all about going back and beating Tennessee," Alvarez told the newspaper. "He's always talking about how he hates them and he just wants to get back at them."

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said the 6-foot-8, 342-pound Brown — who's the son of the late Orlando Brown Sr., a former NFL offensive lineman — "called me late in recruiting and said, ‘Coach, I’ve reconsidered what I want to do.’"

Sources at the time indicated that Brown didn't sign with the Vols because of academic concerns.

"I don't really care what (Tennessee) did to him," Alvarez told the Oklahoma Daily.
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on September 23, 2015, 10:31:34 am
Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams Sep 22

It appears UT will redshirt 7 signees from 2015 class: QB Sheriron Jones, OL Venzell Boulware, OL Drew Richmond, WR Vincent Perry, P Tommy Townsend, DE Andrew Butcher, DS Riley Lovingood. Richmond could play if he improves and injury occurs along OL ... Another potential UT redshirt is DE Darrell Taylor. That would bring total to 8. But again, circumstances could lead to 1 or more playing
Title: Re: Wonder how Tenner is making the numbers work?...
Post by: jbcarol on October 07, 2015, 03:54:48 pm
Patrick Brown ‏@patrickbrownTFP 3h3 hours ago

If you're scoring at home Howard's exit means there are seven players left from Tennessee's 22-player 2012 signing class.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 02, 2015, 10:05:44 am
Patrick Brown ‏@patrickbrownTFP 4h4 hours ago

Butch on other programs pursuing his assistant coaches, decisions for Maggitt/Sutton/JRM & 'the age of the transfer' http://bit.ly/1XxT4KM

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About 2016

Three key Tennessee defensive players face possible decisions about next season.

Injured defensive end Curt Maggitt may pursue an NCAA waiver granting him a sixth year of eligibility after missing all of the 2013 season and nearly all of this season, and cornerback Cameron Sutton and linebacker Jalen Reeves-Maybin could jump to the NFL.

"We still have time," Jones said.

Transfer talk

Ten players, including five 2014 signees, transferred from Tennessee between the end of the regular season and the start of spring practice a year ago.

"It almost gets to the point where you're recruiting more of your current team than you are your prospective team with prospective student-athletes," he said. "I think it's just talking and having open dialogue.

"It has been kind of the age of the transfer, and I think that's just part of the generation in society that you always think that it's better somewhere else or you can go somewhere and maybe play more.

"We'll sit down, if there's anyone (wanting to transfer). We'll have those conversations. We'll map out their future, their career here, the things they need to do to continue to improve. But it is reality, it is part of our profession and it's not just at Tennessee..."
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Post by: jbcarol on December 07, 2015, 11:33:12 am
Izzy Gould ‏@IzzyGould 15h15 hours ago

Recruiting process starting over for Leeds' Tadarryl Marshall after Tennessee pulls offer http://ow.ly/38Ko2F

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Moments after winning a Class 4A state championship with Leeds, athlete Tadarryl Marshall was all Vol, getting ready to help Tennessee recruit and sign with the school he committed to next February.

But that changed on Sunday, when he confirmed that Tennessee had pulled its scholarship offer.

Marshall was an electric athlete for Leeds, starring at quarterback but also playing receiver, safety and returning kicks. The three-star athlete committed to Tennessee in April.

Marshall said that Tennessee did not give him a reason why they pulled his offer, and he was unsure where he'd turn next. He said in his tweet that "a business decision has been made." Marshall said he was academically qualified and has a 3.2 GPA. Marshall also said he hasn't talked to Tennessee in weeks.

Per his 247Sports profile page, Marshall has more than 20 offers...

https://twitter.com/TaDarryl/status/673645928969039872
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Post by: jbcarol on December 15, 2015, 06:29:45 am
 Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 11h11 hours ago

Report: Tennessee loses top quarterback commit http://trib.al/PoUHZlM

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Tennessee has lost yet another commitment.

This time it’s quarterback Hunter Johnson from Brownsburg (Ind.) High School, who is rated the No. 1 pro-style quarterback prospect in the Class of 2017. Johnson’s family confirmed the de-commitment, according to 247 Sports reporter Steve Wiltfong.

Johnson is the fourth commitment Tennessee has lost in a week. The 6-foot-3, 197-pound prospect is the No. 17 overall prospect in the country for 2017 and the No. 1 player in Indiana. Johnson committed to Tennessee in August. His de-commitment means the Vols have just one player committed to the 2017 class, receiver Tee Higgins from Oak Ridge.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 17, 2015, 12:55:29 pm
Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247 Dec 16

Here's a look at the #Vols' 2016 commit list, updated to reflect their three signees: (FREE) http://bit.ly/1aBxk8N 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWWzJ_aWcAAJ6gG.jpg)

Tennessee 2016 Football Commits (15)

They can count the 3 JUCO signees as part of the '16 class.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 21, 2015, 07:23:43 am
Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 10h10 hours ago

ANALYSIS: Tennessee’s 2016 class is all about how Butch Jones can close http://trib.al/fhqm6do

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Tennessee has 15 commitments with just five weeks left until National Signing Day. Time for panic? Not quite. Time for concern? That seems appropriate.

So why are the Vols not one of the darlings of the recruiting world, as they have been for the past two years? There are several reasons.

First, Tennessee is facing the same problem that any up-and-coming program would. Tennessee’s staff is constantly being mentioned for positions elsewhere...

Second, Butch Jones has never been in this position before. With fewer scholarships to offer than any other time in his Tennessee tenure, Jones had to be picky while other SEC schools were much more aggressive. Jones and his staff took the SEC by storm during his first two full recruiting cycles. The Vols were often the first to offer early scholarships and, subsequently, secure early commitments.

In 2014 and 2015, Tennessee signed 60 prospects. Only nine committed later than December before their respective national signing day.

That raises the scariest question of the all for Tennessee fans. Can Jones and his staff close at an elite level?
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Post by: jbcarol on December 21, 2015, 12:00:11 pm
Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams Dec 18

UT football will have just 4 mid-term enrollees (3 from junior college). Butch Jones had five at UT his first year, then 14, then 9.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 24, 2015, 10:12:46 am
 Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 8m8 minutes ago

Five best recruiting gifts to complete Tennessee’s holiday wish list http://trib.al/Lq8YI27

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Tennessee’s football team could use some seriously-talented gifts under the tree this holiday season.

With only about five weeks left until National Signing Day, the Vols have just 15 public commitments.

Derrick Brown, 5-star DT, 6-foot-4, 318 pounds (Lanier High School, Buford, Ga.)
Brown is hard to read.

Donnie Corley, 4-star WR, 6-2½, 182 pounds (Martin Luther King, Wyandotte, Mich.)
Corley’s been extremely tough to predict.

Mecole Hardman Jr., 5-star ATH, 5-10, 175 pounds (Elbert County High School, Elberton, Ga.)
Like Brown, Hardman Jr., will be tough to land.

Jonathan Kongbo, 4-star DE, 6-5½, 264 pounds (Arizona Western Junior College, Yuma, Ariz.)
Kongbo is committed to Tennessee but has shown interest in several other schools, including Oregon, Washington and Alabama.

Nigel (no relation to Dana) Warrior, 4-star S, 5-11, 188 pounds (Peachtree Ridge, Suwanee, Ga.)
The Vols haven’t given up on Warrior. Considering his father, Dale Carter, played at Tennessee...
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Post by: jbcarol on January 06, 2016, 06:41:30 am
Jonathan Kongbo, the nation’s No. 1 junior college recruit, has rescinded his verbal commitment to the Vols (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/nations-no-1-juco-player-backs-off-commitment-to-tennessee)

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“Due to personal reasons I’ve decided to rescind my verbal commitment to the University of Tennessee,” the four-star defensive end tweeted. “At this point I will wait until National Signing day for a final decicsion to be made. Tennessee will remain a school that I will heavily look at. I’ve been blessed with many great opportunities and I wanna thank God for them. He does answer prayers. Won’t be making any comments here on out regarding my recruitment. God is good forever and always.”

The 6-foot-6, 264-pounder from Arizona Western junior college committed to the Vols in November. He holds reported offers from 23 schools, including Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss and Washington, among others. Kongbo is set to take an official visit to Washington on Jan. 22, although Alabama is the perceived leader at the moment...
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Post by: jbcarol on January 06, 2016, 12:30:49 pm
Patrick Brown ‏@patrickbrownTFP 14h14 hours ago

Without Kongbo Tennessee is down to one defensive linemen in its '16 class (Alexis Johnson). #Vols signed six in '15 class.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 06, 2016, 12:42:33 pm
https://twitter.com/RyanCallahan247/status/684590062160482304

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3 Signed LOI and 13 Hard Commits

6 Four-Stars
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Post by: jbcarol on January 12, 2016, 07:40:45 am
Tennessee’s four early enrollees for next season are on campus and ready to begin classes this week. It’s a group that is expected to have an immediate impact, as evident by having three junior college prospects in the class. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessees-early-enrollees-expected-to-have-immediate-impact-in-2016)

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The Vols need help in a handful of different areas to take the necessary step that so many believe they can.

Profiles of each via link above.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 18, 2016, 02:37:18 pm
Linebacker Tim Hart is no longer a Tennessee commitment. And he’s not too happy about it. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/in-state-lb-recruit-de-commits-from-tennessee-criticizes-coaching-staff-for-poor-communication)


Tim Hart
‏@yunghart6
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZBr0m6UEAAUxay.jpg)
11:35 AM - 18 Jan 2016

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Hart, a three-star prospect,  is rated the No. 26 inside linebacker in the nation and the No. 16 overall prospect in Tennessee. The Vols now have 16 commitments for the 2016 class.
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Post by: ALLVOL on January 18, 2016, 03:29:05 pm
Linebacker Tim Hart is no longer a Tennessee commitment. And he’s not too happy about it. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/in-state-lb-recruit-de-commits-from-tennessee-criticizes-coaching-staff-for-poor-communication)


Tim Hart
‏@yunghart6
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZBr0m6UEAAUxay.jpg)
11:35 AM - 18 Jan 2016

That's the risk of committing early when you're a lower rated player. Players get recruited over. Part of the game that all parties involved dislike.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 21, 2016, 09:42:17 am
With less than two weeks until National Signing Day, Tennessee has plenty of work to do.

The Vols are ranked No. 24 in the nation with 16 commitments.  (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-mailbag-why-are-the-vols-down-in-national-rankings)

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Why does Tennessee seem to be down in recruiting rankings this year compared to the last two?

There are a few reasons. Fewer scholarships have been discussed aplenty so let’s leave that be.

First, Tennessee’s coaching staff is at a crossroads. The Vols can’t convince prospects to come to Tennessee for early playing time because there’s not much to be had.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 25, 2016, 12:59:28 pm
Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 38m38 minutes ago

South Florida relationship could result in a Tennessee commitment http://sec.news/1OKcIMv

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Will a strong relationship result in another pledge for Tennessee? That may be what is happening between a Vols commit and his high school teammate.

“We’ve gotten so close I think I can read his mind,” cornerback Tyler Byrd from Naples (Fla.) High School stated via direct message when asked about his close friend, running back Carlin Fils-Aime.

...Former Miami interim head coach Larry Scott, is now an assistant coach at Tennessee. When asked to describe his commitment to the Hurricanes, Byrd said, “I am a strong commit, but will go to Tennessee to visit.”

The Vols have precious few spots remaining to fill in the 2016 class. However, Byrd would certainly be welcome.

Byrd is 5.9-rated, good for #7 CB.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 27, 2016, 04:43:56 pm
Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247 8m8 minutes ago

Where do #Vols stand with their remaining targets? Here's what @247CrystalBall says: (FREE) http://bit.ly/1ZTEjh7 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZwrIzNWAAIMS01.jpg)

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Tennessee seems to have narrowed its focus to a relatively short list of realistic targets in hopes of filling the final spots in the Vols’ 2016 recruiting class.

The Crystal Ball has pointed to Tennessee for months as the slight favorite to land Nigel Warrior, a top-100 prospect (4-star safety) in the 247Sports Composite who’s the son of former Vols star defensive back Dale Carter. With Warrior scheduled to return to Tennessee this weekend on his final official visit, the Vols have picked up the past eight predictions for Warrior to emerge as the clear favorite to land him, with Alabama now a distant second.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 28, 2016, 07:18:30 pm
Mailbag: What’s the best ranking the Vols can hope for? (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-mailbag-still-has-big-news-just-before-national-signing-day)

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First, it’s completely unfair to judge the Vols based on their overall ranking. They just didn’t have enough scholarship offers to dole out in order to nab a high ranking. Still, a top 15 class is fair for fans to expect. The Vols currently sit at No. 20 with 17 commitments. This class should make a jump before National Signing Day.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 01, 2016, 09:43:54 am
Josh and Will ‏@sports180 3h3 hours ago

A look at Tennessee hoops and football recruiting in today's talking points: http://bit.ly/1KS77jo 

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Can Tennessee add three or four more players to its 2016 class?

That appears to be one of the questions coming out of the weekend.

Tennessee is signing a leaner class this year because of the massive groups signed in the 2014 and 2015 classes.

That led to Tennessee turning away several prospects it had interest in. That could also be a favorable indication how the Vols will finish with their top prospects.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 01, 2016, 11:11:55 am
Tennessee's past two signing classes were so large that this one will naturally be smaller. Whether it was by signing or blueshirting — in which a prospect who neither takes an official visit nor hosts any in-home visits shows up on campus as a walk-on player and goes on scholarship later — Tennessee added 32 players in 2014 and 30 in 2015, and many of those were immediate contributors. (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2016/feb/01/vols-hope-big-finish-after-final-recruiting-w/347692)

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Post by: jbcarol on February 02, 2016, 11:31:50 am
 Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247 14h14 hours ago

Three-star Ala. ATH, former #Vols commit @TaDarryl committed to #Samford tonight: (FREE) http://bit.ly/1o0BLC0 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaLZ7UPUsAA1uTc.jpg)

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Three-star athlete TaDarryl Marshall, a former Tennessee commitment from Leeds (Ala.) High School, announced tonight on his Twitter account that he has committed to Samford, a nearby FCS program.

Just to be clear, Marshall had other options — he took official visits to Kentucky, Arizona and South Alabama over the past three weekends — but he ended up deciding to follow in his father's footsteps by playing at Samford instead.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 03, 2016, 11:04:41 am
Three-star receiver Latrell Williams from Columbia High School (Lake City, Fla.) committed to the Vols after declaring he’d sign with Miami just last month. He was also previously committed to South Florida. The 5-foot-11, 169-pound receiver is the No. 109 receiver in the nation and the No. 101 overall prospect in Florida. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-picks-up-surprise-commit)

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Former Miami coach Larry Scott has had a significant impact for the Vols since being hired last month as the Vols’ new tight ends coach. Scott also helped land athlete Tyler Byrd from Naples (Fla.) High School. Byrd committed to the Vols on Tuesday.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 03, 2016, 12:38:11 pm
Wes Rucker ‏@wesrucker247 3m3 minutes ago

Butch Jones on #Vols signing nation’s No. 1 JUCO prospect, DE Jonathan Kongbo: “Our defense just got a whole lot better."
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Post by: DeltaBoy on February 03, 2016, 01:02:43 pm
They are using Hillbilly Math.  :puke:
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Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2016, 07:22:35 am
Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 12h12 hours ago

Grading the class: How Tennessee fared on National Signing Day http://sec.news/20a9dSw

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Vols finished with 21 commitments, and the class ranks among the top 15 in the country. Not bad for a class that had fans concerned because Tennessee lacked the amount of scholarships that the Vols had to offer in the previous couple of recruiting cycles...
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Post by: jbcarol on February 08, 2016, 01:00:22 pm
Dustin Dopirak ‏@TennesseeBeat Feb 3

Jones: "The class is pretty much done." Said they might look to add, but I don't see how they can mathematically.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 11, 2016, 01:15:18 pm
Coach Butch Jones and his staff have signed a ton of prospects since arriving at Tennessee late in 2012. The phrase they coined way back then — “#BrickByBrick” — was easy to poke fun at, too.  (http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/114460/recapping-tennessees-national-signing-day)

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But what they’ve actually done is put together a very balanced roster. Comb through it and you won’t find many holes, especially on offense. But if you’re looking for an area that needs help, look no further than the secondary where the Vols must replace starting safeties Brian Randolph and LaDarrell McNeil.

For nearly a year, Tyler Byrd was committed to Miami. Then on signing day, the four-star athlete flipped to Tennessee, giving the Vols not just their highest-rated athlete in the class but potentially their next starting cornerback for years to come. And even without that last-minute surprise, Jones’ secondary was in good shape with their next highest-rated signee, No. 8-ranked cornerback Marquill Osborne, already enrolled. Before signing day was over, the Vols would further stockpile the secondary by signing a pair of top-10 safeties: Marquez Callaway and Nigel Warrior.
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Post by: jbcarol on June 02, 2016, 12:40:55 pm
https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/738384769621331969

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Corey Henderson has signed with Blinn (Junior) College in Texas after originally penning scholarship papers as part of Tennessee’s 2016 recruiting class in February.

A source in the Tennessee football community said not all of the Vols’ 2016 signees are expected to enroll in the first term of summer school — some have academic work left to do —
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Post by: jbcarol on June 24, 2016, 06:29:15 am
https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/746169352085463040

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Blair played in nine games as a junior in 2015, backing up at right tackle for the team. Raulerson played in five games last season.

Both players are expected to transfer to FCS schools, according to Brice, Vol Radio Network sideline reporter.
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Post by: jbcarol on July 22, 2016, 08:52:44 am
Patrick Brown
‏@patrickbrownTFP

So it's not even August and Tennessee's 2017 recruiting class is at 22 commitments. How different might the list look in February?
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Post by: jbcarol on July 23, 2016, 04:13:02 pm
https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/756910469789646848

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McDaniel’s signature now gives Tennessee 23 members for the class of 2016. The only member of the Volunteer class yet to enroll is wide receiver Corey Henderson. The Volunteers finished with the No. 14 class in the country...
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Post by: jbcarol on July 28, 2016, 07:44:34 am
KNOXVILLE — Tennessee football is up to 23 commits in the 2017 class and has even added a 2019 pledge

Recruiting has become an accelerated process, but are the Vols getting too far ahead of themselves with the number of players who have been offered and committed? (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/the-mike-griffith-show-tennessee-recruiting-ahead-of-itself-heading-into-pivotal-season)

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NCAA allows a maximum of 25 players per signing class, and if Tennessee has the sort of season most expect — an appearance in the SEC Championship Game — more prospects will want to sign on with the Big Orange.

Coach Butch Jones has “processed” committed recruits before, which is a nice way of saying not honoring a scholarship offer in its purest sense.

Of course, players walk away from their commitments all of the time, de-committing to choose other schools.

Still, it seems curious the Vols continue to accept 3-star commitments even when they know there are other, better players who have strong interest in the program.

The mentality seems to be that they’ll deal with it when the time comes.  ...as recently as last year there were 11 de-commitments.

The numbers will work out for Butch. They always do.
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Post by: jbcarol on July 28, 2016, 02:02:01 pm
https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/758716559971999744

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Butch Jones knows the math, and he’s aware some Tennessee fans are curious about the relatively high number of commits the Vols have taken at this point of the recruiting season.

“I can assure you we are doing our due diligence,” Jones said Thursday morning in an exclusive interview with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s SEC Country. “A lot of these early commitments are a byproduct of relationships that have been in place for years.

“We have a very strong recruiting process that we go by.”

The process has netted 23 verbal commits in the 2017 class with signing day more than six months away.

“It always comes down to the right fit for us, and when we are the right fit and they want to be a part of it, that’s what we’re looking for,” Jones said “We can be very selective. We’re in a position now where people understand Tennessee and what we’re about.”

The attrition is part of the reason Tennessee has only 11 seniors, but it has been in the best interests of the team in most cases, Jones said.

“The players we have believe in the program and they are our ambassadors,” Jones said. “They understand what the expectations are, and they are proud of the program expectations. I think that has helped our recruiting.”

And, even with 23 commits, Jones said there’s a great deal of work to be done in the 2017 class.

Tennessee had 11 decommitments in the 2016 class, and Jones isn’t naive enough to think there won’t be some attrition in this class, as well.

“I think recruiting attrition is a byproduct of how accelerated the recruiting process has become,” Jones said. “So even when a young man commits, recruiting isn’t over with — in some senses, it’s just beginning.”

Jones said other programs continue to recruit prospects, even after they are committed, “and the competition picks up.”
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Post by: jbcarol on July 30, 2016, 12:58:09 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/759414650538717185

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As of today, UT has 23 verbal commits. But that’s the key, they’re not-binding right now. Recruiting is fluid and Tennessee’s class will look much different on National Signing Day. Things change.

Jones: “I can assure you we are doing our due diligence. A lot of these early commitments are a byproduct of relationships that have been in place for years. I think recruiting attrition is a byproduct of how accelerated the recruiting process has become, so even when a young man commits, recruiting isn’t over with — in some senses, it’s just beginning.”

But seriously, Tennessee certainly has a collection of 3-star commits. Twenty in all — the most in the nation.

Regardless though, Jones believes strongly in his staff’s ability to discover and develop talent. Ultimately, stars matter, but keep in mind NSD is still a long ways away.

Volunteers top 2018 quarterback target came off the board Friday, committing to Urban Meyer a week after attending OSU’s famous ‘Friday Night Lights’ camp. Jones, a 4-star prospect and the No. 3 duel-threat quarterback in the 2018 class, was in Knoxville prior to FNL, but the Vols simply couldn’t overcome Jones’ desire to attend his “dream school.” While Tennessee will continue to recruit the Heard County (Ga.) standout, the Vols actually turned their attention toward a pair of different signal callers earlier in the week. UT’s standing with Jones was tipped off late Wednesday night when the Vols offered 3-star quarterback Justin Fields from Kennesaw.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 02, 2016, 09:40:45 pm
https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/760646039078572032

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Vols released an updated roster at the team’s second fall practice and a trio of reserves were nowhere to be found.

The players no longer on the roster are senior receiver Cody Blanc, senior tight end Joe Stocstill and junior receiver Jay Rochell.

Butch Jones has said more than once this fall that he only had 11 seniors on the roster.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 10, 2016, 07:56:37 am
Michael Carvell ‏@Carvell_AJC 23m23 minutes ago

Smoke Signals: Tennessee continues to hand out early offers, targeting nation’s top two overall recruits in...

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-continues-to-hand-out-early-offers-targeting-nations-no-1-overall-recruit-in-class-of-2019

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With 23 commits already, Tennessee isn’t in any rush to fill its final needs in the Class of 2017.

Since National Signing Day is still more than six months away, many of the Vols top remaining targets — 5-star offensive tackle Trey Smith, 5-star tailback Cam Akers, 4-star safety Deangelo Gibbs and 4-star receiver Jeremiah Holloman — won’t pick a college anytime soon anyways.

So instead, Tennessee has turned its attention to the future, dishing out a flurry of 2018 and 2019 offers over the last week.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 10, 2016, 12:40:02 pm
Tennessee DB Darrell Miller Jr. no longer with team (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-db-darrell-miller-jr-no-longer-with-team)
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Post by: jbcarol on September 08, 2016, 11:48:30 am
Tennessee has 24 commits already, so spots are TIGHT right now. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-football-and-recruiting-mailbag-talking-potential-commits-battle-at-bristol)

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Volunteers (currently) don’t truly have any room to take a commitment from anyone else.

Could they? Sure, but the likelihood is they’ll let the fall evaluation period play out and then see what happens in late November, early December (read: recruiting turnover).

Unlike say Georgia, LSU or Alabama, the Volunteers 2017 class doesn’t have a super large group of commits who publicly recruit for Tennessee.

That doesn’t mean it’s not happening behind the scenes, though.

Safety commit Maleik Gray, a 4-star product from LaVergne, is easily Tennessee headline recruiter. Along with LaVergne teammate and UT commit Princeton Fant, Gray has targeted the likes of Tyson Chandler (now a Tennessee commit), 5-stars Cam Akers, Trey Smith, Lamont Wade and a bunch of others.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 03, 2016, 09:20:27 am
Although numbers are tight: offensive lineman the Volunteers hope to add to their 2017 class. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-top-tennessee-targets-react-to-crazy-comeback-new-names-emerge-on-ol-board)

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5-star offensive tackle Trey Smith. The University School (Jackson, Tenn.) product remains Tennessee’s most important uncommitted target.

California offensive tackle Aaron Banks, a 6-foot-7, 315-pound 4-star prospect, received a recent offer, as did 3-star Florida offensive tackle Jerry Drake Jr.

Banks, who hails from El Cerrito, holds 30 offers and is a top 200 recruit.

Meanwhile, Drake is a 6-foot-6, 310-pound tackle from Palm Beach Gardens with a slew of SEC offers. He officially visited South Carolina over the weekend.

In addition to Banks and Drake, Tennessee continues to recruit South Carolina commit T.J. Moore, who once considered UT his leader, and LSU commit Saahdiq Charles.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 19, 2016, 07:04:20 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/788529908913872897

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Is another change coming to Tennessee’s 2017 recruiting class?

Last Thursday, offensive tackle Jordan Tucker decommitted from the Volunteers, reopening his options.

A recent offer suggests additional attrition could be coming, too.

2017 Alabama quarterback Bubba Thompson tweeted the news that he’d received an offer from Tennessee.

6-foot-2, 180-pound prospect visited Knoxville over the weekend for the Tennessee-Alabama game, and the duel-threat talent holds offers from Troy, UCF and Western Kentucky.

Not impressed?

Well, Thompson isn’t a known commodity on the football recruiting circuit, as the McGill-Toolen Catholic (Ala.) standout is a fantastic baseball player and is currently committed to Auburn. He’s likely to be drafted this summer, too.

Whether Thompson opts to play football at Tennessee is way too early to tell, but the Volunteers’ interest is certainly noteworthy since they already have a 2017 quarterback commit.

Connecticut signal-caller Cj [sic] Lewis jumped into Tennessee’s 2017 class after a four month odyssey working toward an offer.

This summer, the Volunteers missed on top-targets Hunter Johnson (Clemson commit), Jack Spears (Duke commit) and N’Kosi Perry (Miami commit), turning to Lewis as a development option at the position following several impressive showings at a couple quarterback camps.

But Lewis has struggled during his senior season at Cheshire Academy, even losing his starting spot. 6-foot-4, 200-pound quarterback currently remains committed to UT, but it’s clear the Volunteers are exploring other options.

There’s only room for quarterback in their Class of 2017, so it’s a position to watch closely in the coming weeks.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 26, 2016, 12:52:26 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/791280472395571200

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Top Tennessee target Trey Smith visited Alabama over the weekend, catching the Crimson Tide’s 33-14 win over Texas A&M.

A week earlier, Smith watched the Tide destroy the Volunteers 49-10 inside Neyland Stadium.

Tennessee has long been considered the favorite for the University School standout, but after Saturday’s trip, some have wondered if Alabama is suddenly a serious factor in the No. 20 overall prospect’s recruitment?

Well, yes. And no.

Crimson Tide have just one offensive line spot remaining in the their 2017 class. While recruiting Smith, Alabama is also chasing Top-50 prospects Jedrick Wills and Isaiah Wilson.

Volunteers have just one offensive lineman currently committed in their 2017 class, and they plan (or hope) to pair Smith with 2018 5-star commit Cade Mays as their two offensive tackles of the future.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 01, 2016, 08:33:53 am
Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams 18h18 hours ago

Of 32 UT signed in 2014, 17 remain; 3 graduated (Von Pearson, Owen Williams, Chris Weatherd), 12 transferred, quit or dismissed
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Post by: jbcarol on November 03, 2016, 09:59:03 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/793454579660812293

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James Brown got the feeling.

Apparently Tennessee did, too.

On Sunday, the Florida tight end, who converted from quarterback this season, released a recent a highlight tape, quickly earning looks from several blue-blood programs. Florida, Florida State and Auburn all called, but the Volunteers extended a scholarship offer.

Less than 30 minutes after the offer, the 6-foot-4, 218-pound prospect became Tennessee’s 26th commit in the Class of 2017.

Hardest working converted QB in Florida High School football
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Post by: jbcarol on November 05, 2016, 08:25:18 am
Every Friday until National Signing Day, I’ll do a quick snapshot on Tennessee’s class. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-one-notable-visitor-all-american-honorees-and-a-class-snapshot)

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

National Ranking: No. 9 overall, 26 commits

Top recruits: No. 54 overall Maleik Gray (LaVergne), No. 83 overall Ty Chandler (Montgomery Bell Academy), No. 207 overall Will Ignont (Buckhorn, AL).

New commitments: 3-star tight end James Brown (Jones, FL).

Position breakdown: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 TE, 3 WR, 1 OL, 6 DL, 4 LB, 4 DB, 2 ATH, 1 K

Geographical breakdown: Tennessee (6), Georgia (4), Florida (4), Virginia (3), Louisiana (3), Mississippi (2), South Carolina (1), West Virginia (1), Alabama (1), Connecticut (1)
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Post by: jbcarol on November 09, 2016, 12:31:12 pm
Smoke Signals: OL Saahdiq Charles reschedules official visit to Tennessee

4-star Mississippi offensive guard Saahdiq Charles will not be in town this weekend (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-ol-saahdiq-charles-reschedules-official-visit-to-tennessee)

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Charles, a longtime LSU commit, and 6-foot-5, 314-pound guard emerged as a top target for Tennessee after Jordan Tucker de-committed last month.

The Volunteers have just a single offensive line commit currently, as 3-star prospect Riley Locklear (Spring Valley, W.Va.)

https://twitter.com/saahdiq/status/795429257719717889
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Post by: jbcarol on November 09, 2016, 01:22:01 pm
How Tennessee football players ranked as recruits

Tennessee has six five-star players, 30 four-star players, 36 three-star players and four two-star players on its roster (http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article113363293.html)

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBh5aHR0cDovL3d3dy5rZW50dWNreS5jb20vc3BvcnRzL2NvbGxlZ2Uva2VudHVja3ktc3BvcnRzL3VrLWZvb3RiYWxsL2s0Yjd2MC9waWN0dXJlMTEzMzYzMjg4L0FMVEVSTkFURVMvTEFORFNDQVBFXzExNDAvVm9scxToERSoCRwUhAYUlAMAABYAEgA&s=HuXMouFha7jgqxQWZdItDkD_mSJpfT2kEWOyvY3nEGw)

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Three-star QB and Tennessee starter Joshua Dobbs was the No. 20 pro-style quarterback and a three-star prospect

Jalen Hurd was a five-star recruit and the No. 5 running back nationally in the class of 2014.

Butch Jones did say Monday that junior Alvin Kamara — a five-star recruit from the 2015 class — originally was a four-star RB in the same class as the late Altee Tenpenny and Heisman winner Derrick Henry who was supposed to move to defense.

Butch Jones, who was rumored to be at the top of the list during UK’s coaching search in 2012, brought immediate recruiting results when he took over the Vols after the 2012 season. His first two full recruiting classes at Tennessee were both ranked No. 5 nationally by Rivals.com. The Vols had the No. 15 class nationally in 2016 and are currently ranked No. 8 for the 2017 class, which already has 27 commitments —
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Post by: jbcarol on November 10, 2016, 07:06:09 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/796514443790270464

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Tennessee currently has 27 commits in its Class of 2017, ranked No. 9 nationally.

It’s a heavy haul, especially with close to three months remaining before National Signing Day.

Not everyone currently committed to the Vols will sign on Feb. 1. That’s simply a well-known fact at this point.

Still, the base of Tennessee’s class is set, so let’s take a look at the two most important commits —

Montgomery Bell Academy tailback Ty Chandler

Nashville native is a 4-star prospect and the No. 5 overall tailback in the country.

Most Important Commit — Long-term

New Market Buckhorn (Ala.) linebacker Will Ignont.

The 4-star prospect just committed to Tennessee two weeks ago, immediately boosting a position in desperate need for some oomph.

Ignont is a Top-200 recruit and the nation’s No. 6 inside linebacker, per 247Sports.

The 6-foot-2, 230-pound prospect is a thumper and has a chance to be the centerpiece of Tennessee’s defense in several years.

The Vols lack of depth at linebacker has shown itself in 2016 — especially at the MIKE position.

Darrin Kirkland will be a junior next season, while promising freshman Daniel Bituli could ultimately end up playing the WILL spot — much like Jalen Reeves-Maybin. None of the other linebackers in the Vols current class project as inside linebackers either.

Ignont wants to play as a freshman, saying, “I just have to come in and compete and I can (earn) a job. It’s all on me. I think I’m good enough to play early if I come in and work hard.”

But his value is all about the future.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 12, 2016, 08:26:49 pm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-recruiting-mailbag-talking-nsd-surprises-cam-akers-and-more)

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In terms of a “good” surprise for Tennessee, I think the Vols ultimately add an extra playmaker — either another tailback or a receiver not even on the radar right now.

They’d like to sign one more receiver anyways, and they continue to target multiple prospects (JaVonta Peyton, Jeremiah Holloman, Jaylen Harris).

Meanwhile, they already have two tailback commits — 4-star Ty Chandler, who should be an instant impact performer in 2017, and 3-star Trey Coleman — but they’re hosting 3-star Sunshine State speedster Darrian Felix on an official visit this weekend. Tennessee also continues to try and get 5-star tailback Cam Akers back on campus for an official visit.

As we get closer and closer to National Signing Day, the Vols seem more and more comfortable with the idea of taking three tailbacks.

And no, I have no idea how the plan to squeeze all theses guys in.

As for a “bad” surprise: After everything is sorted out, I could see a scenario where the Vols will finish 10th or worse in the overall team recruiting rankings.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 14, 2016, 09:31:23 am
https://twitter.com/patrickbrownTFP/status/797882260020039680
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Post by: jbcarol on November 17, 2016, 10:01:52 am
Vols currently have 26 pledges in their 2017 class — tied for the most nationally 

3 most-underrated commits in Tennessee’s class maybe anyone's (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-the-vols-3-most-underrated-2017-recruits)

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3-star S Theo Jackson
6-foot-2, 180-pound raw Nashville Overton standout is a 3-star prospect and our nation’s No. 37 safety...

3-star CB Cheyenne Labruzza
6-foot, 185-pound cornerback from Albany (La.) is a 3-star prospect and the country’s No. 32 corner — underwent season-ending meniscus surgery on Oct. 20.

3-star WR Jordan Murphy
6-foot-1, 168-pound receiver continues to stuff the stat sheet with eye-popping numbers for Hattiesburg High...

The numbers will work out for Butch. They always do.
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Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on November 17, 2016, 12:48:38 pm
Vols currently have 26 pledges in their 2017 class — tied for the most nationally 

The numbers will work out for Butch. They always do.
 (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-the-vols-3-most-underrated-2017-recruits)
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Post by: jbcarol on November 22, 2016, 10:53:58 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/800722311590645760

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Can Tennessee take advantage of missing SEC championship by hosting pair of 5-stars?

While a trip to Atlanta would’ve been a boost for recruiting, especially for 2018, the fact the Volunteers won’t be going anywhere on Dec. 3 actually could be used as an advantage for the 2017 class.

Really.

Sure, it’s a total short-term gain, but still.

As I mentioned in a chat last week, Tennessee was running out of weekends to host 5-star offensive tackle Trey Smith — the Vols’ highest-priority target.

Tennessee can host Smith for a full weekend just days before he makes his decision. The Vols remain in the driver’s seat for the 5-star, and Saturday’s developments ironically could help them seal the deal.

Furthermore, Tennessee possibly could host 5-star Cam Akers on Dec. 3, too.

The dynamic tailback from Mississippi is tough to get a read on, but he’s expressed interest in taking an official visit to Tennessee and preferably would make the trip the same weekend as Smith.

Both players canceled official visits this weekend — Akers to Michigan and Smith to Notre Dame — with Akers making an unofficial trip to LSU.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 24, 2016, 08:05:56 am
Jesse Re: Simonton: Tennessee hasn’t had a player drafted in the NFL in two years, but that drought will end this spring.

That means the Volunteers must restock the cupboard if they want to compete for a division title down the road.

Currently, Tennessee has 27 commits — the most nationally — in the Class o' '17. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-biggest-recruiting-needs-in-2017-2018)

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Tennessee will graduate 10 seniors, most notably quarterback Josh Dobbs, linebacker Jalen Reeves-Maybin, cornerback Cam Sutton, center Dylan Wiesman and defensive end Corey Vereen.

Meanwhile, All-American defensive end Derek Barnett is almost assuredly going to the NFL, as is tailback Alvin Kamara. Other players to possibly test the waters include wideout Josh Malone and cornerback Justin Martin.

Jalen Hurd’s abrupt departure also comes into play...

Vols have …

• 2 running back commits — Ty Chandler, Trey Coleman

• 7 defensive line commits — Eric Crosby, Breyon Gaddy, Brandon Gaddy, Marquez Bembry, Kivon Bennett, Tre Lawson, LaTrell Bumphus

• 6 defensive back commits — Maleik Gray, Theo Jackson, Cheyenne Labruzza, Terrell Bailey, Shawn Shamburger, CJ Cotman

• 2 offensive tackle commits — Riley Locklear, K’Rojhn Calbert

The scuttle: Tennessee would like to sign a third tailback, preferably 5-star talent Cam Akers or 3-star speedster Darrian Felix [in that order]. If the Vols are unable to land another impact player on offense, Cotman, an electric playmaker from Clearwater Central Catholic (Fla.), could start his career on offense —

Tennessee is positioned to land 5-star offensive tackle Trey Smith, immediately boosting a key need. The in-state product will announce his decision on Dec. 6. The Vols could take an extra offensive lineman (TJ Moore? JUCO guy?), too.

Tennessee’s current crop doesn’t have a prospect who projects to slide in and start on Day 1.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 25, 2016, 10:46:12 pm
Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s

Tennessee has 27 commits — the most nationally — in the Class o' '17 (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-recruiting-mailbag-talking-receivers-a-top-10-finish-and-bubba-thompson)

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Do you think Tennessee’s success in the passing game over the last three weeks, will help land a top talent at receiver or a quarterback, in closing out the 2017 class?

First, numbers. Tennessee simply doesn’t have that many spots left, especially when considering bigger needs like offensive tackle (Trey Smith??), defensive end (Matthew Butler??) and quarterback. Remember, the Vols already have three receiver commits (Princeton Fant, Jacquez Jones and Jordan Murphy) just one season after five wideouts.

Secondly, Tennessee isn’t really “in on” any highly-ranked receivers except Jeremiah Holloman and Jaylen Harris. The Tee Higgins ship has sailed, and Vols seem to be trailing Georgia and Miami for Holloman. Meanwhile, some wonder if Harris actually projects as a hybrid tight end after a couple years in a college strength and conditioning program.

Could a new name emerge — like Byrd late last year? Possibly.

But for now, Hillsboro wideout JaVonta Payton seems to be the most-likely addition in the 2017 class.


We lost our quarterback commit. So is this Bubba guy going to be a Vol?

A guy named Bubba should always be a Vol, right?

Well, we’ll see.

After Connecticut quarterback CJ Lewis decommitted from Tennessee on Tuesday night, the Volunteers officially hit the market for a new signal caller — even though they’ve been not-so-quietly searching for alternative options for the last month.

Mobile (Ala.) quarterback Bubba Thompson has been a target for weeks, and Tennessee’s chances to land the duel-sport, duel-threat talent appear to have greatly improved following Wednesday’s interesting news.

A longtime Auburn baseball commit, Thompson told AL.com that he decommitted from the Tigers in hopes to play both football and baseball in college.

Vols can’t afford to be left out in the cold, so that’s why they continue to kick the tires on guys like Jay Urich, a South Carolina commit, and Hendon Hooker, a Virginia Tech commit.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 28, 2016, 09:26:38 am
Michael Carvell ‏@Michael_Carvell 3m3 minutes ago

Smoke Signals: Tennessee coaches hit the road recruiting, visiting commits, top DL targets

Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee’s regular season ended in stunning fashion Saturday night in Nashville, as Vanderbilt shellshocked the Vols with a spirited second-half comeback to win, 45-34.

There’s little time to dwell on the defeat, though, as the contact period started Sunday and Tennessee’s coaches must hit the recruiting trail running. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-coaches-hit-the-road-recruiting-visiting-commits-top-dl-targets)

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n Monday, linebacker coach Tommy Thigpen will meet with 4-star Alabama linebacker commit Will Ignont. The Buckhorn product committed to the Vols on Oct. 26 and returned to Knoxville for several games at the end of season.

According to 247Sports’ Luke Stampini, Thigpen will also see 4-star defensive end LaBryan Ray, one of the Vols’ most-coveted targets left on their board.

Meanwhile, running backs coach Robert Gillespie will make an in-home visit with Vols tailback commit Trey Coleman on Tuesday.

The 3-star Louisiana prospect tripped to Tennessee twice this season for games — Alabama and Kentucky — and recently led his West Monroe team to the Final 4 with 150-plus yards rushing in a playoff win.

Also on Tuesday, several Vols coaches will meet with 4-star defensive tackle commit Eric Crosby. The 6-foot-1, 290-pound prospect from Ocean Lakes (Va.) attended multiple Tennessee games this season.

In the middle of the week, receivers assistant Zach Azzanni will check in on 3-star Clearwater (Fla.) wideout commit Jacquez Jones, while Scott will also be in the Sunshine State visiting with recent tight end commit James Brown.

Meanwhile, secondary coach Willie Martinez will be in-home with Louisiana cornerback commit Cheyenne Labruzza, who is recovering from a torn meniscus that shortened an excellent senior season. Martinez is also expected to stop by to see 3-star cornerback commit Terrell Bailey of John Ehret (La.)

On Thursday, offensive line coach Don Mahoney will check in on West Virginia offensive tackle commit Riley Locklear, who will officially visit Tennessee on Dec. 9-10 before enrolling early in January.

Thigpen will meet with 3-star in-state safety commit Theo Jackson sometime this week and will also see linebacker commit Solon Page III in action in Kell (Ga.) High’s playoff game Friday.

Finally, uncommitted defensive ends Matthew Butler, who recorded 4 sacks to help Garner (N.C.) advance to round 3 of the playoffs on Friday, and Deandre Johnson, a Mississippi State commit who took an OV to Tennessee for the Kentucky game, will have Tennessee coaches at their playoff games this weekend.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 30, 2016, 06:09:37 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/803803785340522496
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Post by: jbcarol on November 30, 2016, 03:53:50 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/803973112236806144


Non-regretted turnover
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Post by: jbcarol on December 01, 2016, 12:14:30 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/804379532828479488

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

What’s the deal with all off the decommits? No bs coach speak, cliche answers please.

Tuesday’s timing of the decommitments — three in manner of 30 minutes — was odd, especially after a bad loss at Vanderbilt to end the regular season just days earlier.

But none of the decisions were unexpected.

According to sources, defensive line twins Breyon and Brandon Gaddy did have some academic concerns and could be forced to go the junior college route...

As for electric Florida playmaker CJ Cotman, Tennessee coaches weren’t sure if the 5-foot-11, 180-pound athlete was a fit at cornerback.

Panicking? See a lot of offers today?

Nope. Totally usual.

Tennessee extended a pair of offers to 2018 quarterbacks Justin Rodgers and Colson Yankoff...

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Post by: jbcarol on December 01, 2016, 08:37:46 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/804484840242499584

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    “My coach called me in and basically told me that they had snapped my offer away,” CJ Cotman said. “They wanted somebody with experience, so they wanted to go get some junior college players….

    When I got the information, I felt a little bit down, but at the same time I still have to look forward and look at the best place for me.”

5-foot-11, 180-pound Cotman is ranked as the No. 278 player in the country...
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Post by: jbcarol on December 05, 2016, 10:57:33 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/805895669345087488

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With the heat under his seat warming considerably since losing at Vanderbilt to end the regular season, Tennessee coach Butch Jones called a week’s worth of recruiting “therapeutic” on Monday.

Tennessee’s 2017 class currently ranks No. 13 nationally with 23 commits. The Vols have remaining needs along the offensive and defensive lines, as well as quarterback and defensive back.

Jones expressed a desire to add “competitive depth,” calling the upcoming recruiting class “paramount” to Tennessee future success.

“We’re recruiting at a high level right now,” he said.

“This next is going to be critical because then we enter a NCAA dead period where we’re not able to leave campus. So this week is absolutely critical that we get in as many high schools and homes as we possibly can.”
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Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on December 06, 2016, 03:56:02 pm
Well, Tennessee just got the commitment of Trey Smith, the #1 OL in the country (and #1 overall player, per espn).  I'm sure Butch can make the numbers work to make room for him (i.e., Johnny Three-Star may need to look elsewhere for a place to go next fall).

I doubt it was a factor at all that Butch gave his sister a job as his executive assistant in the athletic department...
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Post by: ricepig on December 06, 2016, 04:11:06 pm
Well, Tennessee just got the commitment of Trey Smith, the #1 OL in the country (and #1 overall player, per espn).  I'm sure Butch can make the numbers work to make room for him (i.e., Johnny Three-Star may need to look elsewhere for a place to go next fall).

I doubt it was a factor at all that Butch gave his sister a job as his executive assistant in the athletic department...

Pure coincidence.
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Post by: ALLVOL on December 06, 2016, 05:32:06 pm
Well, Tennessee just got the commitment of Trey Smith, the #1 OL in the country (and #1 overall player, per espn).  I'm sure Butch can make the numbers work to make room for him (i.e., Johnny Three-Star may need to look elsewhere for a place to go next fall).

I doubt it was a factor at all that Butch gave his sister a job as his executive assistant in the athletic department...
Now Jack Rabbit she's been there. But if that's all it takes then good for him.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 08, 2016, 09:49:58 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/806876094590812160

With 25 hard commits via commitable offers, curious who the Vols are looking at to fill the ten remaining spots.
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Post by: ALLVOL on December 08, 2016, 10:41:50 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/806876094590812160

With 25 hard commits via commitable offers, curious who the Vols are looking at to fill the ten remaining spots.
We'll find room jb lol.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 08, 2016, 04:10:03 pm
We'll find room jb lol.

The numbers will work out.  They always do.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 09, 2016, 10:03:33 am
Projecting the Volunteers’ 2017 recruiting class (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-projecting-volunteers-2017-recruiting-class-2)

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Tennessee has 25 commits and hopes to sign between 26-28 prospects. With several targets still on the board, more attrition could be coming.

QUARTERBACK
3-star recruit Bubba Thompson (McGill Toolen, Ala.)

Note: The Volunteers have had a tough time landing a 2017 signal caller (missing on Hunter Johnson, Jack Sears and N’Kosi Perry).

RUNNING BACK
4-star recruit Ty Chandler (Montgomery Bell Academy, Tenn.) ***

3-star recruit Trey Coleman (West Monroe, La.) ***

3-star recruit Darrian Felix (Fort Myers, Fla.)

Note: Chandler and Coleman are longtime commits. Chandler is a stud from the Midstate...

TIGHT END
3-star recruit James Brown (Jones, Fla.) ***

Note: Brown is a converted quarterback

WIDE RECEIVER
3-star recruit Jordan Murphy (Hattiesburg, Miss.) ***

3-star recruit Princeton Fant (LaVergne, Tenn.) ***

3-star recruit Jacquez Jones (Clearwater, Fla.) ***

*** Indicates current Tennessee commit
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Post by: jbcarol on December 09, 2016, 09:12:45 pm
Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee currently has 25 commits.

Tennessee’s remaining needs are: (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/smoke-signals-tennessee-recruiting-mailbag-talking-vols-chances-5-stars-lamont-wade-cam-akers)

Quarterback: 1

Running back: 1

Offensive line: 1

Defensive line: 1-2

Secondary: 1

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Post by: jbcarol on December 12, 2016, 11:16:39 am
https://twitter.com/dreday_17/status/808335118809137152

Ryan Callahan ‏@RyanCallahan247 2h2 hours ago

Ryan Callahan Retweeted Ryan Bartow

#Vols land former Mississippi State commit.

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Post by: jbcarol on December 13, 2016, 06:02:02 pm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s

Texas quarterback Will McBride is headed to Tennessee in a month — the only question is whether he’ll go to school in Memphis or Knoxville (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/memphis-quarterback-commit-will-mcbride-wresting-difficult-decision-tennessee-visit)

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McBride is wrestling with a decision whether or not to flip after the Vols offered the 6-foot-1, 200-pound quarterback a scholarship last Thursday.

In a short period of time, Butch Jones & Co. have put a full-court press on the Clear Springs product, desperately trying to fill a vacancy in their 2017 recruiting class.

“If you look at their quarterback offers, there’s not a bunch of them,” McBride said.

“All the other guys not going to Tennessee are pretty much committed to other SEC schools or big-time programs. So I’m one of the select few and I feel very blessed to be part of that.”

McBride is ranked the nation’s No. 29 duel-threat quarterback.

quarterback commit Will McBride wrestling with difficult decision after Tennessee visit
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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s. Join us daily at SEC Country for the latest recruiting news and notes on the next crop of Volunteers.

Texas quarterback Will McBride is headed to Tennessee in a month — the only question is whether he’ll go to school in Memphis or Knoxville.

The longtime Tigers commit wrapped up a whirlwind 72 hours late Sunday night, taking an official visit to Memphis on Friday before flying to Knoxville on Sunday for an abbreviated official with the Vols.

“It’s been crazy,” McBride told me.

“They’re both great schools. I just feel very blessed. It’s a lot of stress, but good stress.”

McBride is wrestling with a decision whether or not to flip after the Vols offered the 6-foot-1, 200-pound quarterback a scholarship last Thursday.

In a short period of time, Butch Jones & Co. have put a full-court press on the Clear Springs product, desperately trying to fill a vacancy in their 2017 recruiting class.

“If you look at their quarterback offers, there’s not a bunch of them,” McBride said.

“All the other guys not going to Tennessee are pretty much committed to other SEC schools or big-time programs. So I’m one of the select few and I feel very blessed to be part of that.”

McBride is ranked the nation’s No. 29 duel-threat quarterback. He threw for more than 2,000 yards with 23 touchdowns and just 4 interceptions as a senior, adding 359 rushing yards and 2 touchdowns. He also holds offers from SMU, Purdue, Boise State and Utah, among others.

Although he’s been committed to Memphis since late June, he didn’t hesitate to give Tennessee a look when the Vols came calling.

“A school like Tennessee, you have to definitely check it out. It’s a nation brand,” he said.

“It’s a great place. A great place to play college football. You can’t pass up the opportunity to at least check it out, if not switch and say, ‘I have to look at this.’”

McBride enjoyed his quick trip to Knoxville, arriving around 2 p.m. on Sunday. He toured Neyland Stadium and ate dinner at Jones’ house.

“(Neyland) is really exotic. It’s very nice. Impressive. It was a great experience touring all the facilities and stuff. Really just going to Coach Jones house. We had a good talk. Very comforting,” McBride said.

“It’s a rapid growing relationship and it’s still growing, but I feel comfortable over there.”

While Jarrett Guarantano and Quinten Dormady will compete for the starting job in the spring, McBride is an early enrollee and isn’t interested in riding the pine. He’s wants to play in college and not just be a clipboard holder.

Tennessee has promised him such an opportunity.

“They told me they want me for a reason. They want me to come in and compete,” McBride said.

“I have a chance to start there. They told me the spot is wide open. They’re trying to win. The best quarterback will play. It’s a business. It’s a competition. You got to beat people out. This is SEC football.”

McBride has the tool-set to play in the SEC, but folks have long questioned his height as a deterrence in his recruitment.

Now, McBride faces “a really tough decision.” He grew up an SEC football fan, rooting for LSU. He’s intrigued about the opportunity to play in the county’s preeminent conference, while juggling the fact that he has strong bonds with folks at Memphis.

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Post by: jbcarol on December 14, 2016, 03:22:53 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/808826831243767808

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South Carolina defensive end announced his de-commitment from Tennessee

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Post by: jbcarol on December 16, 2016, 09:45:31 am
Resetting the Vols 2017 recruiting class

We’re days into the NCAA-mandated dead period, but it’s hardly been a slow week in recruiting for Tennessee (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-resetting-vols-2017-recruiting-class)

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Vols landed two commits this week, adding 3-star Miami Southridge defensive end Deandre Johnson and 3-star Texas quarterback Will McBride.

The Vols also missed on 3-star junior college cornerback Keisean Nixon.

Again, what dead period?

With 25 commits already in the bag, here’s a quick reset:

Tennessee has hosted 13 official visitors so far this fall including Nixon.

Majority of Tennessee commits have not taken their official visits. Many claim they will visit Jan. 20.

Counting back

Tennessee currently has five commits who plan to start school on Jan. 8 including QB Will McBride.

Commits wavering

None.

That leaves 20 recruits the Vols must hold onto until National Signing Day. Things are obviously subject to change, especially with the likelihood of staff changes over the next month.

Including:

* LB Will Ignont — The Buckhorn (Ala.) product told SEC Country he’s 110-percent committed to Tennessee, but he still plans to take an OV to LSU in January. The Tigers were once his dream school and his family originally hailed from Louisiana.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 16, 2016, 09:48:38 am
Michael Carvell ‏@Michael_Carvell 41m41 minutes ago

Tennessee recruiting: A snapshot at Vols 2017 class  https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-snapshot-vols-2017-class

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s

Where is Tennessee’s class ranked?

No. 11 nationally, No. 6 in the SEC
Who are Tennessee’s top commitments?

* No. 26 overall Trey Smith, a 5-star offensive tackle from University School of Jackson (Tn.)

* No. 63 overall Maleik Gray, a 4-star safety from LaVergne (Tn.)

* No. 73 overall Ty Chandler, a 4-star tailback from Montgomery Bell Academy (Tn.)

Who decommitted from Tennessee this week?

The Vols parted ways with a pair of defensive prospects in the last week, as 3-star Salem (Ga.) linebacker Mo Burnam reopened his recruitment on Dec. 12 following an official visit to Indiana.

A day later, 3-star defensive end Tre Lawson decommitted.

Who are Tennessee’s top uncommitted targets?

* No. 4 overall Cam Akers, a 5-star running back from Clinton (Miss.)

* No. 50 overall Lamont Wade, a 5-star corner from Clariton (Pa.)

Geography breakdown

Alabama (1)

Florida (5)

Georgia (4)

Lousiana (3)

Mississippi (1)

Tennessee (Eight)

Texas (1)

Virginia (1)

West Virginia (1)
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Post by: jbcarol on December 20, 2016, 07:20:02 am
Jesse Re Simonton ‏@JesseReSimonton Dec 17

Tennessee recruiting mailbag: Talking top remaining targets, spots and 5-star Cam Akers. http://sec.news/2i0rt24

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Who are the top remaining targets for the 2017 class and will we have room for them?

As for “room,” Tennessee’s final number seemingly changes almost daily. Could the Vols sign 27 or 28 guys? Will they sit on 26 commits? It’s still too early to know six weeks before National Signing Day. Most of the class attrition is done with, so Tennessee could face some tough choices in the near future.

Akers certainly could be in the long shot category, too. It’s hard to get a real read on his recruitment. FSU is suddenly the hot team after the buzz was on Ole Miss then LSU and then even Tennessee around 10 days ago. I continue to believe the Vols’ only chance to sign Akers is if the 5-star running back decides to delay enrolling early and visits Knoxville in January.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz5d4o2UQAA6Hr9.jpg)

Why does Butch Jones set such low standards on recruiting by constantly going after 3-star players and bypassing superior talent in 4-and-5-stars?
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Post by: jbcarol on December 20, 2016, 08:01:15 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/811178593623699457

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Interestingly, Johnson said he received a scholarship offer from the Vols while he was in the Alabama players’ lounge while at the Tide’s camp.

“The whole city, it’s beautiful, with the mountains, the water, the trees and all the colors. I just fell in love with it right away.”

Tennessee, however, was not ready to take Johnson’s commitment, initially.
Business is business

The Vols, like many other schools that recruit aggressively, have a fluid situation when it comes to the numbers game involved with public commitments.

As Johnson said, “they were kinda slow-playing me, and I wasn’t sure how much they really wanted me, so I committed to Mississippi State (July 31) to be safe.”
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Post by: jbcarol on December 29, 2016, 09:40:37 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/812389300872613888
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Post by: jbcarol on December 30, 2016, 01:05:50 pm
Former Vol commit, Mo Burnam gave a verbal to IU.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 31, 2016, 10:18:02 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/814866223951474688

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

With 26 commits, Vols check in at No. 11 nationally, No. 6 in SEC.

Who committed to Tennessee this week?
No one. The Vols went 0-for-2 this week

Who are Tennessee’s top uncommitted targets?
* No. 43 overall LaBryan Ray, a 4-star defensive end from James Clemens

Counting Back: Who will enroll early?

Tennessee currently has five commits who plan to start school on Jan. 8.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 07, 2017, 09:16:23 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/817393043246563328

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

SAN ANTONIO — Tennessee desperately needs future defensive playmakers — especially linebackers — so why did the Vols miss so badly on a talented in-state prospect who could possibly contribute in 2017?

Jacob Phillips committed to Oklahoma in October.

Phillips has been a popular player in Texas, too, garnering heavy interest from LSU —

So again, what happened with Tennessee and the 4-star prospect?

Phillips was leaning toward leaving the state, while Tennessee wasn’t sure if the 6-foot-4, 235-pound prospect was actually a linebacker.  He didn’t visit for more than a year, and he barely talked to Tennessee linebackers coach Tommy Thigpen.

After assessing his early senior season film and shuffling their own defensive board, the Vols reached back out to Phillips this fall. His stock had continued to rise, and he had official visits lined up to Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas A&M and OU.

“Throughout the years you really kind of see what people truly are, and I just didn’t really feel comfortable there,” Phillips said of Tennessee.

“Just hearing what other people had to say about them, too, I didn’t feel comfortable.”

Phillips offered no ill will toward the Vols, but admitted he simply never meshed with the staff.

“It wasn’t necessarily the fit or anything,” he said.

“It was the coaching staff and stuff like that.”
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Post by: jbcarol on January 08, 2017, 10:31:19 am
SAN ANTONIO, Texas. — Tennessee has just a single commit at this week’s U.S. Army All-American Bowl, but the Vols would be hard-pressed to be represented by a better individual than 4-star tailback Ty Chandler

Top-100 prospect rushed for more than 2,200 yards and 39 touchdowns to lead Montgomery Bell Academy to the state championship (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-conversation-top-tailback-commit-ty-chandler)

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Your dad Chico played at Ole Miss. How did he help you through this process?

Chico: Don't be discouraged.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 09, 2017, 10:55:27 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/818482216640581634

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee’s running back board continues to shrink.

After 5-star tailback target Cam Akers committed to Florida State on Dec. 27, 3-star Sunshine State speedster Darrian Felix is no longer an option now too after committing to Oregon.

Vols will shift their focus toward 4-star Travis Etienne, 3-star Timothy Jordan and 3-star Jonathan Lovett. Tennessee still wants to add a third tailback to the class, pairing either Etienne, Jordan or Lovett with 4-star U.S. Army All-American Ty Chandler and 3-star West Monroe (La.) standout Trey Coleman.

What isn’t exactly “wide open” is Etienne’s recruitment. The former Aggies commit openly admitted he has a top school in mind right now, saying, “I really love College Station. It felt like a home away from home. They’re my leaders honestly. (LSU and Tenn) are tied. I haven’t seen Tennessee. I haven’t been there or anything. Going there is going to tell me what I need to know.”

See all 26 Tennessee 2017 Football Commits (https://www.seccountry.com/recruiting/football/tennessee/recruits/2017)
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Post by: jbcarol on January 10, 2017, 10:54:20 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/818841473537941505

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Sunday was move-in day for Tennessee quintet of mid-year enrollees.

The five-man group participated in orientation the first two days of the week and will officially start college classes Wednesday morning.

Vols hope their newest group will have a bigger on-field impact in 2017.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 11, 2017, 05:53:40 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/819319503439990784

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We’re exactly three weeks away, and the Vols continue to look to fill their final few remaining spots in their 2017 class.

They’ll host a big group of official visitors over the weekend, headlined by Under Armour All-American defensive end LaBryan Ray.

As it currently stands, Tennessee has 26 commits and hopes to sign between 27-28 prospects. The Vols class ranks No. 10 nationally — sixth in the SEC.

Quarterback

3-star Will McBride (Clear Springs, Texas)

Running back

4-star recruit Ty Chandler (Montgomery Bell Academy, Tenn.) ***

3-star recruit Trey Coleman (West Monroe, La.) ***

3-star recruit Johnathan Lovett (Marlton, N.J.)

Offensive line

3-star recruit Riley Locklear, tackle (Spring Valley, W.Va.) ***

5-star recruit Trey Smith, tackle (University School of Jackson, Tenn.) ***

3-star recruit K’Rojhn Calbert, tackle (Warren County, Tenn.) ***

Defensive line

3-star recruit LaTrell Bumphus, end (Hardin County, Tenn.) ***

4-star recruit Eric Crosby, tackle (Ocean Lakes, Va.) ***

3-star recruit Kivon Bennett, tackle (St. Thomas Aquinas, Fla.) ***

3-star recruit  Matthew Butler, end (Garner, N.C.) ***

3-star Deandre Johnson, end (Miami Southridge, Fla.) ***

3-star Aaron Sterling, end (Tucker, Ga.)
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Post by: jbcarol on January 13, 2017, 11:36:39 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/819721525230206976

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s

With 26 commits, the Vols check in at No. 10 nationally, No. 6 in the SEC. They rank behind Alabama...

Who are Tennessee’s top commitments?

* No. 25 overall Trey Smith, a 5-star offensive tackle from University School of Jackson (Tenn.)

* No. 63 overall Maleik Gray, a 4-star safety from LaVergne (Tenn.)

* No. 73 overall Ty Chandler, a 4-star tailback from Montgomery Bell Academy (Tenn.)

* No. 229 overall Eric Crosby, a 4-star defensive tackle from Ocean Lakes (Va.)

* No. 298 overall Will Ignont, a 4-star linebacker from Buckhorn (Ala.)

Who committed to Tennessee this week?

No one. The Vols weren’t expecting a commitment, either.

Who are Tennessee’s top uncommitted targets?

Couple subtle changes here. Wideout Jaylen Harris, a 4-star from Cleveland Heights, [commited to] Ohio State... cornerback Ameer Speed is also off the board after eliminating the Vols from contention.

Tennessee’s remaining top targets are …

* No. 43 overall LaBryan Ray, a 4-star defensive end from James Clemens (Ala.) — Tennessee will be hard-pressed to poach the No. 1 player out of Alabama

No. 404 nationally Aaron Sterling, a 3-star defensive end from Tucker (Ga.) — The former Alabama commit is a South Carolina lean, but Tennessee could become a major factor depending on what happens with Ray.

Tennessee has five commits who are now signees and began class on Jan. 11.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 15, 2017, 07:03:10 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/820386461795151872

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Chris Bell is staying in state.

The 3-star defensive back from Pope John Paul II High School (Hendersonville, Tenn.) announced on Saturday that he has committed to Tennessee. Bell will be a preferred walk-on.

“First I’d like the thank God..."
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Post by: jbcarol on January 15, 2017, 07:06:17 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/820369095615021061

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee’s offensive coordinator. Gone.

Tennessee’s pseudo quarterbacks coach. Also gone.

And yet, Will McBride never second-guessed signing with the Vols.

The freshman quarterback from Clear Springs (League City, Texas) High is one of Tennessee’s five mid-year enrollees, and while Mike DeBord and Nick Sheridan — his two main recruiters — are no longer with the program, McBride is excited about his future in Orange and White.

“It was shocking … But it definitely taught me a good lesson,” he said.

“One that I can pass down to my younger brother. You got to pick the school. What’s best for you, rather than trying to please a coach. … You kind of have to be selfish within the process. That’s what had to happen.”
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Post by: jbcarol on January 17, 2017, 02:17:39 pm
https://twitter.com/RyanCallahan247/status/821354671931609088

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SDE Ryan Thaxton, a former Virginia commitment, chose the Vols over Ole Miss and Vanderbilt, giving Tennessee its 27th commitment for the 2017 class and its sixth from a projected defensive lineman.

“I mean, it’s just the place I wanted to be at,” said Thaxton, who's ranked the nation’s No. 828 overall prospect and No. 40 strongside defensive end in the 247Sports Composite for the 2017 class.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 21, 2017, 08:42:37 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/822478102441984000

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

A week ago, Tennessee hosted a bunch of defensive linemen, netting a commitment from 3-star end Ryan Thaxton.

Tennessee will welcome a slew of commits and a couple prospective targets — including a late surprise visitor:

4-star running back Devan Barrett (Tampa Catholic, Fla.)
National ranking: No. 166 nationally, No. 11 tailback
Also considering: Auburn commit

Vols were scheduled to also host 4-star defensive end Brad Johnson (Pendleton, S.C.) this weekend. However, after visiting South Carolina, Johnson will not make the trip anymore.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 22, 2017, 07:03:31 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/823284150694215681

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Longtime linebacker commit Jaquan Henderson did not take his official visit to Tennessee this weekend, going to Georgia Tech instead.

Newton (Ga.) standout left his visit with the Yellow Jackets committed to a different school, too, flipping from Tennessee to Ga. Tech on Sunday.

3-star linebacker committed to Tennessee in June on ‘Orange Carpet Day.’

Vols now have 26 commits in their 2017 class, including a trio of linebackers: Shanon Reid (an early enrollee), Will Ignont and Solon Page III —
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Post by: jbcarol on January 23, 2017, 12:33:57 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/823552257144799232

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Vols already have running back commits Ty Chandler and Trey Coleman solidly in the fold for next season, but with only John Kelly and Carlin Fils-aime on the roster for spring practice, Tennessee wants to add a third tailback to its 2017 class.

Vols are juggling four options, and at this point, it’s pretty much first to commit gets the spot.

* 4-star Travis Etienne (Jennings, La.)

* 4-star Devan Barrett (Tampa Catholic, Fla.)

* 3-star Tim Jordan (Bartow, Fla.)

* 3-star Jonathan Lovett (Cherokee, N.J.)

Etienne visited Jan. 13, and this past weekend Tennessee welcomed Barrett and Jordan. Lovett is tentatively scheduled to be on campus next weekend.

Etienne tripped to Clemson over the weekend, but the sources continue to believe LSU is the ultimate destination for the blue-chip runner. He will visit Baton Rouge this weekend.

Barrett is a longtime Auburn commit, but Tennessee’s persistence got the top-200 player back on campus for a final look. Although he enjoyed his time at Tennessee, the Tigers commit said he’s still “pretty solid” to Auburn.

Jordan no longer will go to Purdue next weekend, and anticipates making an announcement “next week.”
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Post by: jbcarol on January 24, 2017, 06:09:53 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/824033258203738112

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St. Thomas Aquinas (Fla.) standout is teammates with Vols defensive tackle commit Kivon Bennett. Palmer is the 28th pledge in Tennessee’s 2017 recruiting class.

Canadian native, Palmer stands 6-foot-2, 200-pounds. Palmer holds more than a dozen offers and is the nation’s No. 119 receiver...
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Post by: jbcarol on January 25, 2017, 10:23:18 am
Jesse Re Simonton ‏@JesseReSimonton 6m6 minutes ago

Questions for #Vols with NSD right around the corner ...
➡️ Class complete?
➡️ More attrition?
➡️ A Top-10 finish?
http://sec.news/2k0625w

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

The Vols have flirted around 26-28 commits since the New Year. Can they really add anymore though? Will there be further attrition?

Here are three questions for Tennessee with National Signing Day right around the corner.

1. Could Tennessee’s recruiting class done?

Vols are certainly still beating the doors on defensive linemen LaBryan Ray, Aaron Sterling and Elijah Conliffe, but it wouldn’t be a shock if they went 0-for-3 here.

Conliffe, a 4-star defensive tackle from Hampton (Va.), is trending Tennessee’s way, but UF and Penn State are lurking and he has another visit planned for this weekend, too.

Right now, I believe Conliffe will be the final piece of the 2017 class, but he won’t make a decision until Jan. 31...

2. Will Tennessee have more attrition?

The Vols lead the nation with 13 decommitments in the 2017 cycle.

All the situations were different, but that’s a ton of movement no matter what the circumstances were.

Most of the Vols 28 commits are solid, mainly because so many have joined the fold in recent weeks. Since Dec. 6 — the day 5-star offensive tackle Trey Smith committed to UT — the Vols have added eight verbal pledges.

Only a few commits are still looking around, with wideout Jordan Murphy possibly visiting Ole Miss and 4-star safety Maleik Gray continuing to hear from Florida State.

Gray is likely UT bound, but Murphy could be one to watch. Losing the talented Hattiesburg (Miss.) wideout would be a major blow to the 2017 class.

Finally, 3-star receiver Jacquez Jones will visit Central Florida this weekend. The Clearwater (Fla.) standout insists he’s “110 percent committed” to Tennessee, but a visit right before signing day is certainly something to monitor.

I’ve been asked many times “processing” or “upgrading” at other spots. Well, cutting a guy — especially any longtime commits — this late in the game would cause some serious blowback for Butch Jones and his staff.

3. Will the Vols finish with a Top-10 class?

Doubtful.
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Post by: jbcarol on January 26, 2017, 08:02:39 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/824653245595471872

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Vols added 3-star receiver Joshua Palmer on Tuesday, giving Tennessee’s recruiting class four wideouts four 2017.

With 28 commits in the fold, it’s easy to assume the Vols would be done at the position.

Palmer joins 3-stars Jordan Murphy, Jacquez Jones and Princeton Fant.

Tennessee continues to target 3-star Jordan Pouncey of Winter Park (Fla.). The hybrid tailback/receiver had more than 1,500 all-purpose yards with 13 touchdowns.

6-foot-2, 180-pound receiver was committed to Notre Dame before reopening his recruitment several weeks ago.

Vols are battling Miami and Texas.

Vols don’t appear to have a spot for Pouncey, so their continued interest could mean a couple things.

1. They’ll make room (doubtful)

2. They’re looking for an upgrade (possible)

3. They’re preparing for potential attrition (most likely)
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Post by: jbcarol on January 27, 2017, 02:54:34 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/825077805335642113

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With 28 commits, the Vols check in at No. 13 nationally and No. 6 in the SEC.

Right now, the Vols are scheduled to welcome just a few guys [this weekend before the dead period starts]. Fant, Bumphus and Calbert will be in town, as will wideout Jordan Pouncey.

Who are Tennessee’s top uncommitted targets?
* No. 26 overall LaBryan Ray, a 5-star defensive end from James Clemens (Ala.) —

Tennessee has five commits who are now signees and began class on Jan. 11.

Class breakdown

Quarterback (1)  — Will McBride (Clear Springs, Texas)

Offensive line (3) — Riley Locklear (Spring Valley, W.Va.), K’Rojhn Calbert (Warren County), Trey Smith (University School)

Geography breakdown

Alabama (1)

Florida (7)

Georgia (3)

Louisiana (3)

Mississippi (1)

North Carolina (1)

Tennessee (8)

Texas (1)

Virginia (3)

West Virginia (1)
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Post by: jbcarol on January 30, 2017, 07:33:12 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/825819183262920705

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Vols’ #EL17E group already includes 28 members from 10 different states.

Safety Maleik Gray (LaVergne, Tenn.) — “It just felt like home from the get-go. They’ve been there from the start. I love the facilities. The facilities are amazing. Academics, too. It just feels like home honestly.”

Offensive tackle Trey Smith (University School of Jackson) — “Being in-state, the doors and opportunities that offers. Also, living in-state, having job opportunities is tremendous. … The possibly of taking a program and helping it, bringing it back to the excellence that it deserves. Why be another banner when you can go make your own?”

Tailback Ty Chandler (Montgomery Bell Academy, Tenn.) — “‘Why not Tennessee?’ It’s close to home. I have a great opportunity. I love the coaching staff up there. I feel like it’s the right spot for me. It felt like home. That’s why I’m sticking with it.”

Linebacker Will Ignont (Buckhorn, Ala.) — “I just got that feeling. I just fell in love with it immediately. I liked campus. The facilities. The coaching staff. It just felt like a no-brainer.”
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Post by: jbcarol on February 01, 2017, 02:14:24 pm
Vols have 28 commits, with room for one more prospect (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-national-signing-day-2017-live-updates-recruiting-news-analysis)

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Announcing Ignont, Jones says, "The last individual of the day."

It appears Fant will not be announced today...
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Post by: jbcarol on February 02, 2017, 08:49:10 am
https://twitter.com/AdamSparks/status/827151890454609920
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Post by: jbcarol on February 02, 2017, 09:21:33 am
Christopher Volken ‏@VolkenVol

Dearest, Barbara.  War is Hell.  As I write to you, the casualties pile up faster than we can dig the graves.  Send my regards to the boys.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGaROGUIAEQr2H.jpg)
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Post by: jbcarol on February 02, 2017, 11:06:11 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/827183575573331970
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Post by: jbcarol on February 03, 2017, 09:24:01 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/827533176797028352

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Tennessee signed 27 newcomers on Wednesday, closing National Signing Day with the country’s No. 17 overall class.

Vols expect several signees to contribute on special teams and find roles on the two-deep, but since their overall team depth is much better than year’s past, they won’t have to rely on a bunch of rookies in 2017.

Here’s an early look at a few signees projected to redshirt next season.

Quarterback Will McBride
McBride appears destined for scout team duty and a redshirt season. He enrolled early.

Defensive lineman Marquez Bembry, Ryan Thaxton, Eric Crosby

Tight ends James Brown and LaTrell Bumphus

Will all three receivers see the field? What about tailbacks trio?
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Post by: jbcarol on February 05, 2017, 06:44:02 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/827252714195267585

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee’s 2017 recruiting class is officially in the books. Football coach Butch Jones signed 27 prospects for the nation’s No. 17 class. Here’s a rundown of superlatives for the EL17E signees.

Most underrated
DL Matthew Butler. The 6-foot-4, 280-pound defensive tackle, Butler was rated a 4-star by just 1 recruiting service.

Most athletic
DL Marquez Bembry. He’s raw yet recovering from a knee injury.

Biggest flip
WR Joshua Palmer. A rangy 6-foot-2, 200-pound wideout.

Biggest loss
WR Tee Higgins. There’s simply no way to sugarcoat the burn of missing on a 5-star playmaker who lives in your backyard.

Class MVP
5-star OT Trey Smith.
Built like ox [sic] at 6-foot-5, 310 pounds after training in the University School of Jackson’s weightlifting program. Smith is a mauler and people mover.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 06, 2017, 07:37:03 am
(http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/pgmain/img/sports_impact/photo/22012748-standard.jpg) (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/02/sec_recruiting_maps.html#1)
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Post by: jbcarol on February 06, 2017, 10:16:50 am
What are Tennessee’s early needs in the Class of 2018?  (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-early-needs-class-2018)

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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee signed the nation’s No. 17 recruiting class last Wednesday, restocking at tailback and infusing the defensive line with fresh, athletic bodies (6 signees). The Vols also added several linebackers and true corners, but both positions must be further addressed in the next cycle.

In 2018, Tennessee’s most important need — figuratively speaking — is securing more in-state talent. In a historic [12 kids from Tennessee are in the '18 ESPN 3000 including Knoxville Catholic 5-star OT Cade Mays] in the Volunteer State, Tennessee signed just 8 prospects — five in the top 20.

The next generation of Tennessee kids needs to see if the Vols are truly “back.” They need to see them win big again.

If Tennessee fulfills its expectations this fall, Jones won’t have a problem with the state’s best players opting for a different shade of orange anymore.

Here are Tennessee’s most important positional needs in 2018…

Offensive line
Tennessee signed a quality group of offensive linemen on Wednesday, adding 5-star Trey Smith, Riley Locklear and super intriguing tackle K’Rojhn Calbert. The Vols’ OL depth is much-improved, but it will take a substantial hit after next season. They’ll graduate three potential starters — Coleman Thomas, Jashon Robertson and Brett Kendrick —

Safety
After the 2017 season, Todd Kelly Jr. and Evan Berry will be gone. Rashaan Gaulden, Micah Abernathy and Stephen Griffin will be seniors by then, too. Depending on how freshman Maleik Gray fills out, he could end up at outside linebacker.

Wide receiver
Vols have signed seven receivers the last two years, but they’ll continue to load up on the position in 2018. Josh Smith and Jeff George will be off the roster, while Jauan Jennings could be headed to the NFL [or other].

Defensive line
With six signees in the 2017 class, D-line may not seem like such a priority, but with a deep pool of talent in-state, the DL will be a focus once again. As Tennessee saw in 2016, you never can have too many big bodies. The Vols won’t add half a dozen guys in the next cycle, but they’ll pad the depth with another 4-5 signees.

Quarterback
Vols will sign at least one signal caller in 2018. I say at least, because depending on how the competition shakes out this fall, attrition could cause Tennessee to need two guys next cycle.

Final few spots
Tennessee will look to add another blue-chip tailback, a couple more cornerbacks, 2-3 linebackers and a tight end. Another specialist could be on the radar, too.

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Post by: jbcarol on February 09, 2017, 07:06:21 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/829419834635124748

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Vols will enter 2017 with a veteran, experienced team — aside from the most important position.

Quarterback

1. Quinten Dormady (Jr.) or Jarrett Guarantano (RFr.)

2. Sheriron Jones (RSo.)

3. Will McBride (Fr.)

The skinny: This one is rather straightforward. Dormady and Guarantano will compete for the starting job, while Jones will get a chance to throw his hat into the mix during the spring. McBride is strictly insurance should anyone ultimately transfer.

Running back

1. John Kelly (Jr.)

2. Carlin Fils-aime (So.)

3. Ty Chandler (Fr.)

4. Tim Jordan (Fr.) 0r Trey Coleman (Fr.)

Receiver

1. Jauan Jennings (Jr.)
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Post by: jbcarol on February 10, 2017, 10:51:40 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/830069843000967172

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s so who will be in Tennessee’s Class of 2018?

Compared to most schools, the Vols had a very quiet NSD, so during Tennessee’s “EL17E” live broadcast coaches were furiously texting prospects — mostly 2018 and 2019 kids.

Vols are already off to a nice start with a pair of blue-chip commits (5-star OT Cade Mays and 4-star ATH Alontae Taylor). If they land these five [sic] prospects, they’ll likely find themselves back in the Top 10.

Five more:
Greg Emerson, 4-star DE, North Side (Tenn.)
The Jackson, Tenn., native is the priority.

D’Andre Litaker, 4-star DT, Riverdale (Tenn.)
Litaker missed most of his junior season with a torn ACL, but the 6-foot-3, 290-pound tackle is still one of Tennessee’s most coveted targets on the board. The Vols were one of the first schools to offer Litaker —

Maxwell Iyama, 4-star OT, Siegel (Tenn.)
Another in-state product, Iyama is just scratching the surface as a prospect. The 6-foot-5, 285-pound tackle picked up offers from Tennessee, Louisville and Memphis late in 2016.

Jarek Campbell, 3-star ATH, Riverdale (Tenn.)
Once again, Tennessee is well positioned for a talented, versatile prospect in the state. Campbell, who currently holds just three offers, could play receiver or defensive back in college. He’s teammates with Litaker.

Tykee Ogle-Kellogg, 3-star WR, Alcoa (Tenn.)
Local standout just recently earned a Vols offer at the end of January. Oleg-Kellogg won Tennessee’s Class 3A Mr. Football Back Award.

In-state focus is highlighted in this forecast.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 14, 2017, 07:27:17 am
The three SEC teams, and three alone, that really need to kill it during the 2018 recruiting cycle (https://www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-football-recruiting-2018-teams-pressure-class)

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Had they not secured a 28-player class, the Vols might not have cracked top 20 in national rankings. All but five of Tennessee’s 2017 signees were 3-star recruits, and while Butch Jones did land the state’s No. 1 prospect, Trey Smith, his program missed out on Tennessee’s other two 5-star players. JaCoby Stevens chose LSU and Tee Higgins wound up at Clemson.

Clemson also swiped 4-star wideout Amari Rodgers — the son of Tee Martin — and ex-UT quarterback commit Hunter Johnson. LSU snagged 4-star linebacker Jacob Phillips.

You can say a lot about the in-state recruiting fallout, but I’m willing to bet you aren’t saying, ‘Wow, Tennessee is back.‘  (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/butch-jones-downplays-decommitments-declares-tennessee-back)
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Post by: jbcarol on February 23, 2017, 09:17:24 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/834782845516316672

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Tennessee’s 2018 quarterback board continues to take shape with new position coach Mike Canales on board.

Since the North Texas assistant came to Tennessee on Jan. 20, the Vols have handed out a number of new offers to signal callers across the Southeast, including two more scholarships in the past two days: Gerry Bohanon, a 4-star fromEarle High i Arkansas [sic], and Joe Milton of Olympic High in Florida.

Bohanon is one of the premier duel-threat quarterbacks in the country, also holding early offers from Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, and State. 6-foot-4, 215-pound quarterback is ranked as the No. 10 duel-threat prospect in the 2018 class.

Vols have now dished out 14 scholarships to quarterbacks [sic] — including six in the last month.
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Post by: jbcarol on February 25, 2017, 10:18:05 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/835508023552532480

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Alontae Taylor is one of the two players committed to Tennessee for the 2018 class. And while the 4-star athlete says he’s still committed, he’s also still open to the possibility of playing elsewhere.

Taylor posted a note to his Twitter discussing the recent departure of Tennessee wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni Taylor said that now Azzanni, along with Willie Martinez who also recruited him, is gone his recruitment is now open.

But also added that he is still committed to Tennessee.
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Post by: jbcarol on March 03, 2017, 11:45:50 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/837692272586129408

Blowin' him up

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Alontae Taylor, a 4-star wide receiver committed to rival Tennessee, woke up to about 50 text messages from the Tigers’ coaches on Friday morning.

The messages received came from several different members of the Tigers’ staff, including offensive line coach Jeff Grimes, running backs coach Tommie Robinson, assistant athletic director Sam Nader, offensive analyst Dave Bucar and defensive analyst Ronnie Wheat, among several others.

They all had similar messages for the highly sought-after Tennessee native …

“All of the coaches on the LSU staff texted me this morning,” Taylor told SEC Country. “They can’t wait me to get on campus and to make me a Tiger.”

“It’s a blessing to be seeing all of the love from the coaches,” he added.

Taylor committed to Tennessee last summer, but informed SEC Country that his recruitment is not yet shut down. In the past month, the Vols made two critical changes to their coaching staff, including the losses of wide receivers coach Zach Azzani to the NFL and defensive backs coach Willie Martinez to Cincinnati.

That forced Taylor’s hand to stay committed but also to consider his other options, including LSU. GM Austin Thomas is spearheading his recruitment.

Last week, the LSU staff pulled a similar stunt with fellow 4-star receiver Joshua Moore. The IMG Academy (Fla.) standout woke up to 70 text messages from the Tigers’ coaches, including head coach Ed Orgeron...
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Post by: jbcarol on March 03, 2017, 11:47:04 am
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/837349765927030786

Quick news: today is my last day at SEC Country.
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Post by: jbcarol on March 07, 2017, 02:41:39 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/839194854345277440

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Vols announced on Tuesday that junior defensive lineman Dimarya Mixon and redshirt sophomore Charles Mosley are no longer with the football team, though they both remain enrolled in classes.

Shy Tuttle and Kendal Vickers are expected to be out during spring drills, along with defensive end Kyle Phillips.

Mixon was suspended for Tennessee’s 38-24 Music City Bowl victory over Nebraska on account of a failed substance test, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
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Post by: Vantage 8 dude on March 07, 2017, 03:02:46 pm
No real secret into how the Vols make the numbers work. Easy to explain: there are so many "five star hearts" in the sky that they've been given a special waiver by the NCAA to recruit as many as they want. ;) :P
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Post by: jbcarol on March 22, 2017, 11:11:49 pm
https://twitter.com/wesrucker247/status/844545706207711232

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Safety Stephen Griffin plans to transfer out of the Tennessee program in hopes of earning more playing time elsewhere, a program source confirmed to GoVols247 on Tuesday.

The move — and it was an amicable move — seems to make sense for Griffin, who will be a junior in the fall and would seem to be on the outside looking in for playing time at a position of major strength for the Vols.

His biggest play was that forced fumble, which happened moments after injuries forced him onto the field in the Vols’ win over Kentucky in 2016.
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Post by: jbcarol on March 27, 2017, 05:30:43 pm
https://twitter.com/SECCountryVols/status/846375095027322880

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BUFORD, Ga. — Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Just before the Atlanta regional event for Nike’s “The Opening” recruiting camp on Sunday, 3-star Tennessee QB target James Foster got a phone call from Vols’ head coach Butch Jones.

“He was like, ‘Wear the Tennessee towel at ‘The Opening’ today and rip it,'” Foster told SEC Country.

Foster followed Jones’ advice and wore the Tennessee towel on his hip throughout the passing drills that encompassed most of the afternoon. But while Foster was “feeling like a Vol” on Sunday, Tennessee stands firm in third place on his list of eight schools...

Currently, Tennessee sits behind Missouri and Georgia but ahead of South Carolina, Louisville, Southern Miss, Mississippi State and N.C. State. While Vols fans might be feeling good that they can at least jump over Georgia, a school that utilizes a pro-style quarterback, it isn’t that simple. Foster said that Georgia coach Kirby Smart has told him that he “needs” a running quarterback.

“The quarterbacks they’ve got on the roster now really pocket passers,” Foster said. “They need a quarterback that can run. They’re trying to change the tradition and stuff because when the pocket breaks down they can’t run.”

If Tennessee really wants to make a move on Foster, it’ll have to come through his mother.

“Really just get a better bond with my mom,” Foster said. “That’ll probably happen when I go up there on a visit.”

That’s really the missing link in the relationship. New Tennessee quarterbacks coach Mike Canales has been in touch with Foster “every day” lately and he plans on making another visit to Knoxville sometime in April, “probably” for the Orange and White game on April 22...
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Post by: jbcarol on April 23, 2017, 02:17:18 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/856193506792140800

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After picking commitments from a quarterback, running back and two wide receivers wide receiver, the Volunteers landed a defensive prospect in the form of 2018 linebacker Jacquez Jones, a 3-star linebacker out of Tuscaloosa.

Tennessee now has 8 commitments for the 2018 recruiting cycle. Vols landed their quarterback in Michael Penix on Saturday, a running back in JaShaun Corbin on Friday and a 2018 wide receiver in Jatavious Harris on Sunday. Volunteers also added a commitment from 2019 wide receiver Cam Wynn
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Post by: jbcarol on April 27, 2017, 11:32:55 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/857610780962848773

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Three players who could make immediate contributions to the 2017 team and three players who could be role players.

There were 20 players held out of Saturday’s public scrimmage, so deciphering a depth chart involves guess work —

Post-spring guess at Tennessee’s depth chart, with 12 positions listed on each side of the ball because of the multiplicity of the Vols’ offensive and defensive schemes: (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-vols-5)
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Post by: jbcarol on May 14, 2017, 08:39:25 am
https://twitter.com/RyanCallahan247/status/863167131218784256

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Tennessee made a big move in the 247Sports team recruiting rankings for the 2018 class Friday with the commitment of Top247 quarterback Adrian Martinez.

Landing Martinez, a junior at Clovis West High School in Fresno, Calif., helped the Vols climb nine spots to No. 8 nationally in 247Sports' team rankings, which are based on the industry-generated 247Sports Composite.

6-foot-2, 198-pound Martinez, who's ranked the nation's No. 170 overall prospect and No. 7 dual-threat quarterback.

Vols remain second among SEC teams behind only LSU, which is ranked No. 3 nationally. Texas A&M (No. 23) and Kentucky (No. 25) are the only other SEC schools currently in the top 25.
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Post by: jbcarol on May 17, 2017, 01:44:56 pm
Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s

3-star Melbourne, Fla. running back Jashaun Corbin announced his de-commitment from Tennessee on Tuesday (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-jashaun-corbin-de-commit)

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Corbin, the No. 8 all-purpose back and No. 382 overall player in the Class of 2018, kept his commitment for less than a month before making his decision.

Maybe Corbin ends up back with the Vols, but de-commitments rarely work out that cleanly. So what’s next at running back for the Vols?

Vols’ top target has been 3-star in-state running back Master Teague III for some time now, and his decision is poised to come soon...

There’s also 3-star Gurley, Ala. running back Tae Provens.

Without Corbin’s de-commitment, Tennessee still would’ve had room in its class for Teague and Provens. So that brings the question of what Tennessee will end up doing with that spot. It’s possible that Tennessee could choose to go with three running backs anyway.
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Post by: jbcarol on May 26, 2017, 09:46:28 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/868121121488613376

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Tennessee has landed seven in-state players, including four of the Volunteer State’s top eight players by 247Sports’ composite rankings. And there’s a real chance that one or both of Greg Emerson and D’Andre Litaker (both defensive tackles) could give Tennessee at least half of the top-10 players in the state once everything is said and done.

“People have to think about, later in life, I want to live in Tennessee,” Harris said. “If I go to Alabama and come back to Tennessee, they’re going to know me as that guy that went to Alabama. If I go to Tennessee, they’re going to know me as that guy, he went in, he tried to help the program, he did all he could for Tennessee.”

“All these other schools are going to tell you you’re set for life if you graduate from here but when you graduate from the University of Tennessee, or if you go anywhere else and you graduate from there then you’re not going to want to stay there and live there if you don’t make it to the league,” Taylor said. “You’re going to want to come back to Tennessee. I’m just letting him know when you graduate from Tennessee, if you don’t make it to the league you’re still set for life. You get a great education at Tennessee and everybody’s going to take care of you.”

Both players tapped into the idea of how they’d be received in their home state once their football careers were over and expressed a desire to stay in the state that they grew up in. Others have said things along the same lines over the last couple months as well.
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Post by: jbcarol on May 30, 2017, 04:00:02 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/869652835159375874
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Post by: jbcarol on June 05, 2017, 11:31:47 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/871758283832520704
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Post by: jbcarol on June 15, 2017, 09:26:31 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/875352591747698689

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Butch Jones has let it be known that he plans on winning championships with in-state players, and prospects like D’Andre Litaker are all in.

Litaker committed on Tuesday to sign with the Vols 2018 class next February, boosting Tennessee’s class to No. 7...
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Post by: jbcarol on June 23, 2017, 07:25:20 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/878038405082427401

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Class o' '18 for Tennessee dropped to 12 commits after the de-commitment of athlete Shatar McClay

McClay, from Clarksville, Tenn., rates as a 3-star athlete and the No. 34 prospect in the Volunteer State...

Vols holds [sic] commitments from secondary prospects in Brendon Harris and Brandon Cross. Cornerback Tanner Ingle committed to Tennessee on Monday.

Vols now have the No. 11 class in the country and No. 3 in the SEC...
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Post by: jbcarol on June 25, 2017, 07:01:47 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/878251928676966401
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Post by: jbcarol on July 07, 2017, 11:12:06 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/883335646181502976

maybe in our nation

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

A commitment to Tennessee and a de-commitment from LSU changed the situation...

Commitment of JUCO defensive end Dorian Gerald boosted Tennesee’s class, pushing the number of commits to 17.

Tennessee also secured a surprise commitment on Monday from Greg Emerson while he was at Nike’s The Opening.

Outside linebacker Adam Anderson’s de-commitment from LSU was the final straw.

Tennessee has gained five commitments over the past five weeks. The other three commits are running backs Lyn-J Dixon and Anthony Grant, as well as defensive end Jamarcus Chatman, who until mid-June was an LSU commit.
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Post by: jbcarol on July 10, 2017, 10:23:35 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/884172313863782401
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Post by: jbcarol on August 02, 2017, 09:52:02 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/892920844376309760

#DOM1N8 now up to 20 commits.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 03, 2017, 08:49:20 am
https://twitter.com/wesrucker247/status/892927783747420160
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Post by: jbcarol on August 03, 2017, 12:59:27 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/893117091825541120
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Post by: jbcarol on August 04, 2017, 06:11:33 am
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/893420081304227841

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Volunteers have 20 commitments, with 2018 National Signing Day several months away.

Tennessee will take on only another five or six players in the Class of 2018. The majority of the class is intact heading into the season, the way coach Butch Jones likes it.

Here’s an early glance at where things stand for the Vols’ Class of 2018:


Tennessee ranks as the No. 6 class in the country and the best in the SEC. The Vols hold one 5-star commit in offensive tackle Cade Mays, and eight are 4-star prospects.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 06, 2017, 08:57:56 am
 Ryan Callahan‏ @RyanCallahan247 Aug 3

#Tennessee DBs coach @CoachCwarren joins #Vols assistants among nation's top recruiters: (FREE) http://bit.ly/2u5mVh9  via @GoVols247

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First-year Tennessee defensive backs coach Charlton Warren on Wednesday night joined a handful of the Vols' other assistant coaches who currently are ranked among the nation's top recruiters by 247Sports

With the commitment of Top247 defensive back Trey Dean of Hampton, Ga., Warren jumped up to No. 39 nationally in the 247Sports recruiter rankings — which are based on prospects' 247Sports Composite ratings — giving Tennessee three assistant coaches who now are ranked among the nation's top 40 recruiters for the 2018 class and five assistants in the top 80.

First-year Vols offensive line coach Walt Wells is Tennessee's highest-ranked recruiter at No. 10 nationally, with first-year defensive line coach Brady Hoke at No. 32.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 11, 2017, 06:21:26 am
Tennessee has secured commitments from 20 prospects in the Class of 2018 thus far.

Here’s an early glance where things stand for the Vols’ Class of 2018: (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-latest-updates-vols-2018-class)

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Alabama took a commitment from an offensive lineman this week, possibly meaning good things for the Vols. Offensive lineman Jerome Carvin previously had his choice between Tennessee and Alabama

But now Carvin likely has lost his spot with the Crimson Tide, which means Tennessee could be sitting alone at the top for him.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 15, 2017, 07:00:57 pm
 Michael Carvell‏ @Michael_Carvell 2h2 hours ago

Tennessee football: Walk-on Eli Wolf receives scholarship at practice on Tuesday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/897583981046243330/IlRZxOES?format=jpg&name=600x314)

Has schollies to spare
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Post by: jbcarol on August 18, 2017, 05:11:41 am
Tennessee filled another spot in its 2018 class on Thursday with the verbal commitment of punter Paxton Brooks. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/breaking-tennessee-earns-verbal-commitment-kicker-paxton-brooks)

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He’s the No. 2 punter in the country according to Kohlskicking.com

Brooks joins the No. 1 class in the SEC for 2018 and the No. 6 class in our nation. He’s the first specialist in the class.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 19, 2017, 06:44:23 am
Vols hold 21 commitments  (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-update)

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Tennessee ranks as the No. 6 class in the country and the best in the SEC.

Six of the top-9 players from the Volunteer State in the Class of 2018 have committed to the Vols.

One spot closed at the moment is the running back position. The Vols have two commitments from Lyn-J Dixon and Anthony Grant. Dixon has started to receive interest in the past month from Clemson, though. Tennessee has kept interest going in other running back prospects such as Demarcus Townsend.
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Post by: jbcarol on August 22, 2017, 04:27:37 am
 Michael Carvell‏ @Michael_Carvell

Tennessee football receives commitment No. 22 from WR Shocky Jacques-Louis
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/899791922574884864/T7LyU9b-?format=jpg&name=600x314) (https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/899791921245237249)
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Post by: jbcarol on August 25, 2017, 04:48:36 am
Tennessee now has 23 commitments in the cycle and ranks as the No. 6 class in the country and the best class in the SEC. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-recruiting-jaycee-horn-3)

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The long and winding recruitment of cornerback Jaycee Horn has come to end.

Horn made his pledge to play at Tennessee public Thursday night during an exclusive SEC Country show.

Alpharetta, Ga., native made his final decision between the Vols, Alabama and South Carolina. Horn had cut Tennessee out of his final two, but the Vols clawed their way back into the mix.

Horn attended Tennessee’s Orange Carpet Day on June 17 and took another visit to the campus on July 22.

The 6-foot-1, 170-pound cornerback rates as a 4-star prospect and the No. 219 player in the Class o' '18...
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Post by: jbcarol on September 01, 2017, 06:14:46 pm
Tennessee holds commitments from 23 players (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-vols-hold-23-commitments-second-straight-week)

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Vols received commitments from wide receiver Shocky Jacques-Louis and cornerback Jaycee Horn the week before. This week was much quieter, which isn’t a bad thing for Tennessee. With a recruiting class this full, the best thing from here on out is quiet weeks with no de-commitments.

Tennessee ranks as the No. 6 class in the country and No. 1 in the SEC.
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Post by: jbcarol on September 03, 2017, 09:07:12 am
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Tennessee commit Jamarcus Chatman on possibly looking elsewhere: ‘I’m going nowhere’ http://sec.news/2wt4tRz   #VFL

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Class of 2018 defensive end Jamarcus Chatman might prove to be one of Tennessee’s most imports commits before this recruiting cycle comes to an end.

The 6-foot-3, 266-pound Rome, Ga., product committed to LSU in April at the Tigers spring game. He de-committed over the summer and pledged on June 25 to sign with the Vols.

Chatman has de-committed before, so what are the chances he does it again?

Not very good.

“I’m solid,” Chatman said. “I’m going nowhere.”

Coach Butch Jones and defensive line coach Brady Hoke made strong impressions on Chatman in his recruitment. For Chatman to back off his commitment to LSU with Ed Orgeron pursuing him was a big win for Jones.

Chatman said the coaches made the difference in where he wanted to play college football.

“What sold me on Tennessee was how great the coaches were,” Chatman said. “When I got there, the atmosphere and the fan base, everyone treated me like they really wanted me. Coach was telling me how I could play early when I get there.”

Playing early is something that is on Chatman’s mind.
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Post by: jbcarol on September 04, 2017, 08:10:03 am
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Tennessee football’s September to-do list on the recruiting trail http://sec.news/2wvLh5T   #VFL
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Tennessee’s hot recruiting carried throughout the month of August, with the Vols bringing in five commitments in the month.

Vols now have 23 commitments in the Class of 2018. With a class that large, the to-do list can shrink, but also possibly becomes more important.

With the Tennessee season beginning Monday against Georgia Tech in Atlanta, what are some recruiting goals for Tennessee in September?

Tennessee currently holds the No. 6 class in our nation, which is good for best in the SEC.

This could end up being the best class Tennessee coach Butch Jones has brought to campus in his five years. It is imperative to keep most ... of the class together...

With 23 commitments, the attention will shift from pursuit to protecting. Keeping 4-star prospects like cornerback Jaycee Horn and safety Trey Dean committed will make or break the class.

Having nine in-state players committed will help matters, too. The best player in the class — offensive tackle Cade Mays —

Offensive lineman Jerome Carvin is one of the top targets left for the Vols. There isn’t much room left in the class, but Tennessee wants to bring in another offensive lineman. Bama seemed like the biggest competition for Carvin until it began to look at other options on the offensive line. Mississippi State has closed in fast on the Vols in the recruitment. The Bulldogs loom as a dark-horse threat.

Tennessee likely will take another edge rusher or outside linebacker in the class, and one of the top targets is Richard Jibunor.

Auburn seems to have a slight edge right now, but Tennessee is right there. Florida also could make some noise..

A commitment from Jibunor would solidify Tennessee’s spot as one of the best classes in the country.
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Post by: jbcarol on September 14, 2017, 05:06:36 am
We discuss what Tennessee’s final number will be in the Class of 2018
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We have 23 2018 commits, how many more can we have this year?

Tennessee has done a good job of using some recruiting gymnastics over the past few season under coach Butch Jones to fit different players into the class. Tennessee could certainly do some similar maneuvering in this class if the right prospects came along.

Right now, I think the most likely scenario will be the Vols bringing on two more players. One on offense — either at wide receiver or the offensive line — and one on defense — either at linebacker or the defensive line.

Jerome Carvin, an offensive lineman from Cordova, Tenn.,  is who I think the Vols will take on offense, though wide receiver Jeshaun Jones remains a possibility.

Linebacker Cam Jones, who is also from Cordova, might be the most likely get on the defensive side of the ball. Vols backed off his recruitment over the summer, but have turned up the heat recently.
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Post by: jbcarol on September 15, 2017, 05:20:30 am
Tennessee has 23 commitments in the class right now. The class ranks No. 6 in the country and best in the SEC.

But exactly how will Tennessee fill out the rest of its 2018 class? Here is SEC Country’s latest defensive projections:
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Post by: jbcarol on September 30, 2017, 05:45:28 pm
 Stephen Hargis‏ @StephenHargis 43s43 seconds ago

Text from a prep coach with a player UT is recruiting: "my advice to him is don't go there unless they make a coaching change." 😳

 Stephen Hargis‏ @StephenHargis 35s35 seconds ago

Second text from same coach: "I've sat in the stadium with other coaches and we see them do things even bad high school teams don't do." 😳😳

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Post by: jbcarol on October 03, 2017, 05:35:31 am
BREAKING: Tennessee backup offensive guard Venzell Boulware quits team  (https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/914904678386819073)

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Boulware’s Tweet said: “I would like to thank the University of Tennessee for giving me the opportunity to play here throughout the years. After much prayer and consideration with my family, I’ve decided it’s best for me to pursue other options away from UT for the remainder of my collegiate career. Thanks to all who supported me and thanks to the wonderful fans of Vol Nation. God Bless!”

Boulware is a 6-foot-3, 306-pound redshirt sophomore from Union City, Ga, who made his first start this season in the Vols’ 17-13 win over Massachusetts on Oct. 23.

Boulware, who started three games in 2016, was not listed as a participant in Tennessee’s loss to Georgia last Saturday.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 05, 2017, 05:12:28 am
Timing behind a coaching change, overreactions to Georgia, latest on QB Adrian Martinez
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In terms of recruiting, the earlier Tennessee fired Butch Jones the better, if the university did indeed want to go another route with its coach. Waiting a month or two to do it wouldn’t really help the recruiting class.

Don’t forget, this year is the first of the NCAA’s new early signing period for high school football —

This early signing period might push some athletic directors to pull the trigger on coaching changes earlier than normal. If nothing else, a high school prospect would at least know a new coach is coming to the school and any uncertainty about the previous coach’s job security would be removed before the prospect makes a decision.

Class of 2018 would be better if Jones stuck around another year, rather than Tennessee bringing in a new coach. Vols have commitments from 23 prospects in the cycle right now. Even if things get really bad, Tennessee won’t lose all of those commitments.

Some commits have already opened up their commitment to explore other schools, but there has yet to be a de-commitment from the 2018 class
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Post by: jbcarol on October 06, 2017, 06:14:41 am
Tennessee recruiting: Latest updates on Vols’ 2018 football class
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The quiet few weeks on the recruiting trail for Tennessee came to a screeching halt this week.

Commit Jatavious Harris announced via Twitter on Monday he had opened his recruitment to all schools. Brendon Harris, no relation, followed on Tuesday with the same announcement.

Tennessee still holds commitments from 23 prospects in the Class of 2018. It is still one of the best classes in the SEC, too.

Things might have started off rocky in the beginning of the week. Nothing of true consequence has happened yet...

Tennessee ranks as the No. 6 class in the country and No. 1 in the SEC. The Vols hold one 5-star commit, offensive tackle Cade Mays, and eight 4-star prospects.

Six of the top nine players in the Class of 2018 from the Volunteer State have committed to the Vols.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 12, 2017, 05:49:31 am
Tennessee holds 23 commitments at this time. I think 18 or 19 will end up at Tennessee regardless of the record at the end of the year. Especially if Jones remains at the helm.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 13, 2017, 05:35:07 am
Tennessee has not had a de-commitment in the Class of 2018 since the season began. It might be hard to lose track of that, though, because things have seemed so volatile.
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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Vols have had two prospects — Jatavious Harris and Brendon Harris — publicly open their recruitments to other schools. There are rumors more commits have done this too, such as commit Cade Mays.

Wide receiver prospect Alontae Taylor has remained committed to Tennessee, even if it might not sound as firm as some fans would like. Taylor spoke with Matt Freeman about where he is in his recruitment.

“All I can say is that I am committed,” Taylor said. “I can’t say if it’s a hard commit or a soft commit. I am committed.”
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Post by: jbcarol on October 15, 2017, 08:39:50 am
 Wes Rucker‏Verified account @wesrucker247 17h17 hours ago

Wes Rucker Retweeted Lyn-J Dixon...™

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Four-star RB decommits from Tennessee.

Bad day getting worse for the #Vols.

Lyn-J Dixon...™
📌‏ @im_Next23

I have made the Decision to re open my recruitment to all Schools ,I prayed🙏🏽 and thought hard on it and talked to my family before making this Choice..💯 ~Respect my Decision~
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Post by: jbcarol on October 20, 2017, 05:34:30 am
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How some Tennessee commits are dealing with unsure coaching situation http://sec.news/2l0VgOk   #VFL
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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

When the coach a recruit committed to play for might not be there next season, what is the right move for the prospect?

That’s the situation 22 Tennessee Class of 2018 commits find themselves in right now. Coach Butch Jones has led the Vols to a 3-3 record, with all three losses coming from SEC opponents, and the heat is on.

Two commits, Jatavious Harris and Brendon Harris, have re-opened their recruitment, but claim to be committed to the Vols. Tennessee has backed off of communication from Jatavious Harris, so he might not have the Vols as an option too much longer.

Commits Adrian Martinez and Greg Emerson have both talked about the Vols building something, and it isn’t time to jump ship.

Most of the prospects, though, are waiting to see what happens. Some are lining up backup options, just in case.

Wide receiver commit Shocky Jacques-Louis spoke with Bud Elliot of SBnation about how he is handling everything.

“To be honest, I’m still committed to Tennessee, but I am definitely looking at other options due to, uh, certain situations at Tennessee,” Jacques-Louis said.
Title: Vol OL Jack Jones no longer to play football because of neck issues
Post by: jbcarol on October 24, 2017, 05:12:41 am
Butch Jones said that Tennessee guard Jack Jones no longer will play football because of lingering neck issues. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-ol-jack-jones-no-longer-play-football-neck-issues)

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Jones, a junior, started at left guard in a season-opening victory against Georgia Tech. He played in nine games with six starts last year.

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Post by: jbcarol on October 26, 2017, 06:09:34 am
Tennessee recruiting mailbag: Keeping class together (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-recruiting-mailbag-keeping-class-together)

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Q: What does Tennessee have to do to keep this recruiting class from falling apart?

I’m sure the recruits are very aware of the situation the coaching staff finds itself in. Coach Butch Jones and his group most likely must win out to keep their jobs.

I think the majority of recruits are waiting to see what happens. Some recruits, like Greg Emerson, still very much believe in Jones and are probably waiting to see if he can turn the season around.

Others might be waiting to see who the next coach will be. I think there are a fair amount of top-level commits that really like the school. If a new hire comes along and the commits fit the style, then they’ll stick with their commitment.

Q: If we keep Butch Jones, how many recruits could we lose? And could bringing in a good coach help keep the recruits at Tennessee?

Keeping Jones would likely keep the class more together than if Tennessee let him go. These players have committed to Tennessee, but maybe more so, to play for Jones.

A lot of the commits still believe in Jones, too.

If Tennessee fired Jones and hired a great head coach who recruits well, he could possibly keep most of the class together. The new coach would also have his own guys he would like to bring in too, though.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 29, 2017, 08:45:54 am
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How Tennessee is altering its recruiting style due to the early signing period http://sec.news/2yP7i3f   #VFL

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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

Prospects can commit to schools for a 72-hour period beginning Dec. 20.

Vols began altering their recruiting timeline once the decision came out in May. Coach Butch Jones talked on Wednesday about how recruiting is different this cycle.

“We have a plan in place in terms of the early signing date,” Jones said. “It has changed a lot of things in terms of official visits. It’s kind of changed the nature of recruiting. We’ve had a lot of in-season official visits. We’ll continue to have that. We’ve had more unofficial visitors than we’ve had in the past. That’ll be ongoing. Obviously, the first part of December, we’ll host a number of official visits as well.”

Vols have certainly pushed for the more visits [sic] during the season.

Some fans criticized Tennessee for hosting so many visits for the Georgia game on Sept. 30. It was the worst Tennessee loss in Neyland Stadium, where the Bulldogs won 41-0.

Vols hosted top prospects Jerome Carvin, Caleb Johnson and Jeshaun Jones. These are uncommitted prospects Tennessee is most likely to land, too.
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Post by: jbcarol on October 31, 2017, 04:28:09 am
Tennessee had a rocky October on the recruiting trail, to say the least.

The Class of 2018 has lost three commitments this month. (https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-footballs-october-recruiting-list-recap)

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Vols entered the month with 23 commitments and only room for two more prospects.

The Vols are now down to 20 and looking to fill in the gaps.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 12, 2017, 02:01:37 pm
 Wes Rucker‏Verified account @wesrucker247
3m3 minutes ago

Butch Jones is a spiteful man who holds grudges. If he can torpedo #Vols' recruiting class, he will.
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Post by: jbcarol on November 14, 2017, 05:36:34 am
How did new recruiting early signing period affect Tennessee’s decision to fire Butch Jones?
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Tennessee is looking to recapture its glory from the 1990s.

NCAA introduced an early signing period that goes into effect this December. High school seniors can now sign with teams beginning Dec. 20 instead of having to wait until the first Wednesday of February.

This is a new twist athletic directors have to take into consideration when making a coaching change.

Tennessee athletic director John Currie was asked Sunday night if the early signing period affected his decision.

“The early signing period being from Dec. 20-22 is new and uncharted territory for all us, to some extent,” Currie said. “Ultimately, we have to make the decision that we believe is in the best interests of the student-athletes that we have here at the University of Tennessee right now — some are approaching graduation and others are playing their last two games in Neyland Stadium over the next couple of weeks — while we also look at the long-term future of our program. It is a variable that is new, but the core values in how we make decisions remains the same...

“Certainly, recruiting is the lifeblood of what we do, attracting great student-athletes to the University of Tennessee. All of the intangibles about what makes our program, this university, the city of Knoxville, the history and tradition of Neyland Stadium, the facilities, the academic support, the high graduation rates — all of those things are things that will continue to be attractive to student-athletes at the University of Tennessee.”
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Post by: jbcarol on November 19, 2017, 08:00:11 am
 SEC Country Vols‏Verified account @SECCountryVols
Nov 17

Tennessee recruiting: Latest update on Vols’ 2018 football class http://sec.news/2mAspRV   #VFL

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Tennessee fired coach Butch Jones on Sunday and the Vols Class of 2018 subsequently fell into disarray.

Tennessee lost two commitments — Alontae Taylor and Shock Jacques-Louis. Two more — Tanner Ingle and Dorian Gerald — announced they have opened up their recruitments.

With that in mind, here is a current look at where things stand for the Volunteers’ Class of 2018:
Where Tennessee’s class ranks

The 247Sports composite ranks the Vols Class of 2018 No. 15 in the nation and No. 5 in the SEC, behind Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M and Auburn. The loss of Cade Mays’ commitment just days before Jones’ firing sent the class down a few spots.
Latest news

Tennessee now holds 17 commitments, though Gerald and Ingle appear to be barely hanging on.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 14, 2017, 05:57:23 am
 Michael Carvell‏ @Michael_Carvell

4-star Adrian Martinez flips from Tennessee to Nebraska, leaving Vols with 0 QB commits
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Tennessee had two quarterback commits in the Class of 2018 around 5 p.m. Wednesday and by 6:40 p.m. it had none.

Adrian Martinez announced on Twitter he had flipped his commitment from Tennessee to Nebraska.

The coaching staff moved on from commit Michael Penix, as well.

Tennessee now holds 10 commitments with the early signing period beginning next Wednesday. Commitments are expected to come in this weekend with official visits lined up.
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Post by: jbcarol on December 14, 2017, 09:10:38 pm
 Michael Carvell‏ @Michael_Carvell

Prep coach stunned as Tennessee refuses to honor QB’s scholarship offer
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TAMPA, Fla. — Tampa Bay Tech coach Jayson Roberts has a difficult time believing Phillip Fulmer could have been involved in the process of pulling a scholarship offer from his quarterback, Michael Penix.

Roberts has never met Fulmer, but he knows the Tennessee athletic director had a sterling reputation during his Hall of Fame coaching career with the Volunteers. His impression from afar is that Fulmer is a man of integrity who did the right things in recruiting.

“I know that as an athletic director he has a lot to oversee,” Roberts said Thursday. “I can’t imagine he had a hand in how Tennessee’s new staff dealt with this.”

Fulmer is indeed a beloved figure in the Volunteer State, and a man the Vols fan base has rallied around since he took over as athletic director on Dec. 1. Thus, Roberts and others remain stunned at the awkward and uncharacteristic nature with which the new Tennessee staff cut ties to Penix, a well-respected 3-star recruit.

Penix, who had been committed to the Vols since April, stuck with Tennessee through Butch Jones’ Nov. 12 firing, a 26-day coaching search and the hiring of new coach Jeremy Pruitt.

It’s Pruitt’s first time as a college head coach, and calling the 11 players who were committed to Tennessee at the time was almost certainly one of the first things on his to-do list. Sure enough, Pruitt called Penix last week to tell the quarterback he was honoring his commitment.

That changed Wednesday, when Penix received a text asking him to call the UT football office. Penix said that when he made the call, new offensive coordinator Ty Helton told him not to come on the official visit to Knoxville that had been planned months earlier.

Apparently, the Vols had another pro style quarterback they were bringing in.

Tennessee staff is not allowed to discuss recruiting...