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Started by kingcam25, April 13, 2015, 12:06:49 pm

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kingcam25

Qualls just told a fella I know in class that he was announcing today. He didnt say which one but my buddy got the impression that hes gone. Just passing this along.

3kgthog

I've said all along that I wouldn't be surprised if MQ leaves. He's got a child to provide for. Sometimes that trumps what might be deemed as the better decision of coming back to improve to a first round grade.

 

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Why would he be in class if he was going?
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razorfan84

Quote from: rhames on April 13, 2015, 12:28:13 pm
Why would he be in class if he was going?

Pretty sure he is close to graduating but I might be mistaken on that.

kingcam25

Thats what I thought but he said he made it seem like he was gone according to my friend. I'm just letting yall know what I was told.

MB Hog

Quote from: 3kgthog on April 13, 2015, 12:12:42 pm
I've said all along that I wouldn't be surprised if MQ leaves. He's got a child to provide for. Sometimes that trumps what might be deemed as the better decision of coming back to improve to a first round grade.
But hasn't he had a child to provide for pretty much since day one as a Razorback?  If so, he's made it this long providing without going pro.  Why not stick around one more year and try to get to the NBA directly. 

He really seemed to finally start figuring out how to finish more consistently around the basket, in the half-court game, at the end of the season.  If he could do that for a full season next year, he becomes a much more likely straight-to-the-NBA player.

If he leaves now, he is likely headed overseas.  While he might be providing for his child, he won't be seeing the child very much unless he takes him/her with him... and then pulls the child away from the rest of the family.

Not my decision to make, but sure seems like one more year could be worth it.

jry04

Quote from: kingcam25 on April 13, 2015, 12:33:55 pm
Thats what I thought but he said he made it seem like he was gone according to my friend. I'm just letting yall know what I was told.
Let's hope it is just part of adding to the suspense. Many seem to think they will be announcing tonight at the banquet, or just before the banquet. I cannot see them announcing they are going pro at the banquet, but I could be wrong and it may not matter to them.

jjdlc

Quote from: 3kgthog on April 13, 2015, 12:12:42 pm
I've said all along that I wouldn't be surprised if MQ leaves. He's got a child to provide for. Sometimes that trumps what might be deemed as the better decision of coming back to improve to a first round grade.

I keep hearing that about the child, but I just don't see it as that simple of a decision.  There is a strong chance that Qualls will end up overseas if he leaves now.  Are the mother and child going to pack up and move overseas as well? 

jry04

Quote from: jjdlc on April 13, 2015, 12:48:41 pm
I keep hearing that about the child, but I just don't see it as that simple of a decision.  There is a strong chance that Qualls will end up overseas if he leaves now.  Are the mother and child going to pack up and move overseas as well? 
Nope, and they made due so far. 1 more year could double or triple the amount of money he would make, plus he would earn his degree.

PorkRinds

Quote from: jjdlc on April 13, 2015, 12:48:41 pm
I keep hearing that about the child, but I just don't see it as that simple of a decision.  There is a strong chance that Qualls will end up overseas if he leaves now.  Are the mother and child going to pack up and move overseas as well?

If he goes, most likely they would.  I know I'd take my family if I went to work overseas.

jry04

Quote from: PorkRinds on April 13, 2015, 12:51:02 pm
If he goes, most likely they would.  I know I'd take my family if I went to work overseas.
The mother plays basketball for the Hogs. Not sure she will be going anywhere just yet.

The child lives in Shreveport with either his grandparents, or her parents. I think it alternates.

PorkRinds

Quote from: jry04 on April 13, 2015, 12:52:41 pm
The mother plays basketball for the Hogs. Not sure she will be going anywhere just yet.

The child lives in Shreveport with either his grandparents, or her parents. I think it alternates.

Ah, I see.  That's not the situation I had imagined.  Who is his baby mama?

jry04

Quote from: PorkRinds on April 13, 2015, 12:55:54 pm
Ah, I see.  That's not the situation I had imagined.  Who is his baby mama?
Her last name is West. #32. Not sure how to spell or say her first name. She is from Shreveport, too. I think she is a sophomore.

 

Hawg Red

Quote from: jjdlc on April 13, 2015, 12:48:41 pm
I keep hearing that about the child, but I just don't see it as that simple of a decision.  There is a strong chance that Qualls will end up overseas if he leaves now.  Are the mother and child going to pack up and move overseas as well?

I agree with your thinking. Declaring for the draft, going unselected, and ending up in the D-League or overseas really doesn't guarantee you're going to provide much better for you family, if at all. D-League is incredibly low. He has a real shot to play himself into the 1st round if he comes back and shows improved ball-handling ability. And if he ends up in the same boat, it is what it is. But at least he didn't forgo that opportunity.

Michael may have gotten some really good offers from overseas, but this immediate fan reaction that all will be well if he just goes overseas is ill-informed, IMO. Qualls is taking an enormous risk by leaving right now. He has a huge, huge flaw in his game that is critical to his success at the next level.

kingcam25

I didnt mean to start a parenting argument. Just trying to pass along a little news. It always amazes me how things get goofy on here. I guess I'll keep things to myself next time.

jry04

Quote from: Hawg Red on April 13, 2015, 12:59:46 pm
I agree with your thinking. Declaring for the draft, going unselected, and ending up in the D-League or overseas really doesn't guarantee you're going to provide much better for you family, if at all. D-League is incredibly low. He has a real shot to play himself into the 1st round if he comes back and shows improved ball-handling ability. And if he ends up in the same boat, it is what it is. But at least he didn't forgo that opportunity.

Michael may have gotten some really good offers from overseas, but this immediate fan reaction that all will be well if he just goes overseas is ill-informed, IMO. Qualls is taking an enormous risk by leaving right now. He has a huge, huge flaw in his game that is critical to his success at the next level.
And will have received his degree. I know a lot of people say school can wait, but when you are not guaranteed a draft pick, and you are this close to graduating, you are better suited getting the degree, improving your draft stock, and having something to fall back on.

jry04

Quote from: kingcam25 on April 13, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
I didnt mean to start a parenting argument. Just trying to pass along a little news. It always amazes me how things get goofy on here. I guess I'll keep things to myself next time.
You didn't start an argument. You have to expect discussion about the topic when you start it. Thanks for the info.

Hawg Red

Quote from: kingcam25 on April 13, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
I didnt mean to start a parenting argument. Just trying to pass along a little news. It always amazes me how things get goofy on here. I guess I'll keep things to myself next time.

No one is arguing. It's called discussion, and that's what a message board is for. People have opinions. We just supposed to say "Oh, cool. Thanks"? No, people are going to put their 2 cents in about him leaving.

Hawg Red

Quote from: jry04 on April 13, 2015, 01:06:21 pm
And will have received his degree. I know a lot of people say school can wait, but when you are not guaranteed a draft pick, and you are this close to graduating, you are better suited getting the degree, improving your draft stock, and having something to fall back on.

Yeah, just makes too much sense for Qualls to come back. His stock can only really go up so he isn't risking anything. He's had a child since he got here. From the outside looking in (and I admit I'm not privy to his personal life), it would seem like everything he worked for was being put on the line when it doesn't have to be.

TRUHOG718

Quote from: Hawg Red on April 13, 2015, 01:12:15 pm
Yeah, just makes too much sense for Qualls to come back. His stock can only really go up so he isn't risking anything. He's had a child since he got here. From the outside looking in (and I admit I'm not privy to his personal life), it would seem like everything he worked for was being put on the line when it doesn't have to be.

I'm in agreement with you. Don't know what is so detrimental that one more year in school will hurt. But I can give you a list of reasons why 1 more year in school will help. I can't dunk nor would I be drafted but I support my family just fine with my bachelors degree and a good job.
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Atlhogfan1

When a player leaves college and begins to play at the professional level, their game doesn't have to stop progressing.  IF Qualls were to leave, he would begin to work on his deficiencies for the pro game with other professional players and professional coaches.  The practice times would not be limited. 

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bulldog04

Should we go ahead and offer his kid?

Hawg Red

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:08 pm
When a player leaves college and begins to play at the professional level, their game doesn't have to stop progressing.  IF Qualls were to leave, he would begin to work on his deficiencies for the pro game with other professional players and professional coaches.  The practice times would not be limited.

That's true, but the road to the NBA will get tougher if he has to go overseas first. D-League would be more optimal, but the pay is next to nothing. Might as well stay in school, get his degree since he's so close, and increase his visibility with the public and scouts. He's already built-up a rep as an exciting player.

But, I will support him no matter his decision. His life, his call. I just would hate to see him go the way of Scotty Thurman. He truly has so much to gain by coming back to school.

Arkansas WR

Quote from: kingcam25 on April 13, 2015, 12:33:55 pm
Thats what I thought but he said he made it seem like he was gone according to my friend. I'm just letting yall know what I was told.
Some friends like to twist the story a bit to make it more interesting. We all have that one guy.

 

Bacon_Bitz

I have thought he would be staying since he posted this only slightly cryptic message on Instagram a few days ago.


https://instagram.com/p/1RhRRytxXg/?taken-by=ice_in_my_veins

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Hawg Red on April 13, 2015, 01:30:08 pm
That's true, but the road to the NBA will get tougher if he has to go overseas first. D-League would be more optimal, but the pay is next to nothing. Might as well stay in school, get his degree since he's so close, and increase his visibility with the public and scouts. He's already built-up a rep as an exciting player.

But, I will support him no matter his decision. His life, his call. I just would hate to see him go the way of Scotty Thurman. He truly has so much to gain by coming back to school.

He isn't Scotty.  Scotty's athleticism was never going to get better.  His ceiling was too low as a player and he got really bad advice.

I agree it is a risk.  A semester away from a degree should be enticing to him.  And if he did fix or lessen some of his flaws while staying and could get drafted in the first or the right situation in the second, it would be a much better and safer route.  Will be interesting to hear some of the advice and evals they have been given. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

wheelspigharvey

Quote from: bulldog04 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:49 pm
Should we go ahead and offer his kid?

Asking the important questions.

TomBigBeeHog

Quote from: bulldog04 on April 13, 2015, 01:27:49 pm
Should we go ahead and offer his kid?

Yeah but should it be a commitable offer or no?
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Quote from: razorfan84 on April 13, 2015, 12:33:07 pm
Pretty sure he is close to graduating but I might be mistaken on that.

12 credit hours from completion of his degree.   At that point, it would be foolish not to stay-- in class, if not as an amateur basketball player.
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TRUHOG718

I'd say he stays. If he wanted to test his stock I think he would have given himself room to take his name back out. Declaring now you're pretty much locked into your decision. Nothing has changed regarding his position on any of the draft boards so declaring now instead of earlier would not be the smartest move IMO.
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Should go to vents and rumors just like the thread from Champs04
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Quote from: ErieHog on April 13, 2015, 01:45:40 pm
12 credit hours from completion of his degree.   At that point, it would be foolish not to stay-- in class, if not as an amateur basketball player.

Has anyone confirmed if those are hours after this semester or the hours for this semester? I know they said when he visited his high school a couple weeks ago he said he had 13 hours left to graduate, is it possible he meant those 13 hours this semester?

-Blu

Quote from: Hawg Red on April 13, 2015, 01:30:08 pm
That's true, but the road to the NBA will get tougher if he has to go overseas first. D-League would be more optimal, but the pay is next to nothing. Might as well stay in school, get his degree since he's so close, and increase his visibility with the public and scouts. He's already built-up a rep as an exciting player.

But, I will support him no matter his decision. His life, his call. I just would hate to see him go the way of Scotty Thurman. He truly has so much to gain by coming back to school.

Yea the going undrafted then trying to make the league through the D-League/Overseas is the hardest route to get to the NBA.  You may get a few 10 day contracts here and there if you have some great performances, but nothing consistent.  Qualls has a legit shot at being a first round pick next year, seems like if he's made it this far he'd wait it out and see if he can slip in that first round next year.

TexArkHogFan

Quote from: -Blu on April 13, 2015, 02:05:08 pm
Has anyone confirmed if those are hours after this semester or the hours for this semester? I know they said when he visited his high school a couple weeks ago he said he had 13 hours left to graduate, is it possible he meant those 13 hours this semester?

He's only been in school three years including this semester.  Highly unlikely he would have enough hours to get a degree in that time frame, plus his basketball obligations. 
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riccoar

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Portis and Qualls pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Swinesong1

Still trying to understand why many consider the NBA as the end all be all fo4 measuring success.  So unless you get a job with the number one company in your field, you aren't successful?

WooPig90

Quote from: TexArkHogFan on April 13, 2015, 02:10:44 pm
He's only been in school three years including this semester.  Highly unlikely he would have enough hours to get a degree in that time frame, plus his basketball obligations.

3 years + 3 summers is more than enough time to have enough hours

TexArkHogFan

Quote from: kingcam25 on April 13, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
I didnt mean to start a parenting argument. Just trying to pass along a little news. It always amazes me how things get goofy on here. I guess I'll keep things to myself next time.

It isn't news until it is a fact.  What you did was pass along another conjecture when in truth the fact is still not known for sure and won't be until the two gentlemen in question make their choices known.  The only thing you did wrong was start yet another thread on this topic when we really don't know any more now than we did a month ago.
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I will support him no matter his decision. His life, his call. I just would hate to see him go the way of Scotty Thurman. He truly has so much to gain by coming back to school.
[/quote]this is my thinking also.

poloprince

Quote from: -Blu on April 13, 2015, 02:05:08 pm
Has anyone confirmed if those are hours after this semester or the hours for this semester? I know they said when he visited his high school a couple weeks ago he said he had 13 hours left to graduate, is it possible he meant those 13 hours this semester?

The quote was he would need 13 hours after this semester to complete his degree. I'd bet on black.
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HF#1

If it's announced tonight at the banquet, I think both are staying.
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jry04

Quote from: HF#1 on April 13, 2015, 02:27:30 pm
If it's announced tonight at the banquet, I think both are staying.
Agreed. Who knows either way, but I would say if they announce at the banquet they are staying, but if the banquet goes by and nobody announces than they are probably gone. That may not be the case, but I think both know their decisions, and what better time to announce you are returning than at the banquet?

-Blu

Quote from: jry04 on April 13, 2015, 02:37:17 pm
Agreed. Who knows either way, but I would say if they announce at the banquet they are staying, but if the banquet goes by and nobody announces than they are probably gone. That may not be the case, but I think both know their decisions, and what better time to announce you are returning than at the banquet?

Yea I would be a little surprised if they announced they are both leaving at the banquet.  It would be kinda awkward.  I mean, it's good news for them, and I'm sure the fans in attendance will applaud and appear happy, but it would kind of kill the mood, because if everyone is honest it would be more disappointing because it would likely mean we're going to struggle next year, rather than being a top 10 team.

jry04

Quote from: -Blu on April 13, 2015, 03:15:00 pm
Yea I would be a little surprised if they announced they are both leaving at the banquet.  It would be kinda awkward.  I mean, it's good news for them, and I'm sure the fans in attendance will applaud and appear happy, but it would kind of kill the mood, because if everyone is honest it would be more disappointing because it would likely mean we're going to struggle next year, rather than being a top 10 team.
Agreed. The coaches will know before it goes public, and I do not think the coaches would advise them to announce they are leaving at this type of event.

Soooie21

If you start out playing overseas, then you end up staying there.  The NBA moves on to the next draft...Alot of just guys are in the draft every year and playing D league and overseas......

Oklahawg

Quote from: TNhawgfan on April 13, 2015, 02:00:43 pm
Should go to vents and rumors just like the thread from Champs04

Thanks for volunteering an opinion.
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Oklahawg

Quote from: HF#1 on April 13, 2015, 02:27:30 pm
If it's announced tonight at the banquet, I think both are staying.

Makes as much sense as anything. I have long felt that deferring the decision means they are truly conflicted - the longer the wait the more they are likely to stay.

But most of us have a "logic" like that. It is almost certainly not the logic of a 20-year old with elite basketball talent.
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Karma

Quote from: Soooie21 on April 13, 2015, 03:25:01 pm
If you start out playing overseas, then you end up staying there.  The NBA moves on to the next draft...Alot of just guys are in the draft every year and playing D league and overseas......
Patrick Beverly started out in the Ukraine.

Soooie21

Ok thats one...keep them coming...not saying all...but in the history of the NBA that is all you can come up with...

-Blu

Quote from: Karma on April 13, 2015, 04:03:14 pm
Patrick Beverly started out in the Ukraine.

Nobody said it couldn't be done, just it made things a lot harder.

P.Bev's situation was not common, not many start out overseas then end up starting on an NBA team.  He was actually on a few different radio shows telling his story, because it doesn't happen often.