Would Ronnie be in your All Time Razorback starting five???

[LA HAWG]

Why or why not?  Just curious.  Not trying to bash anyone here.

[Patch]

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ Sidney Moncrief
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

EDIT: I have no idea how I forgot Moncrief.

[12under]

tough one here.  probably just on the outside looking in for me.  i think he had(and i do mean had) a great career here, but probably not in the top five.  for me, top 10 for sure.  can we start 10?

[EastexHawg]

No.

My all-time starting five would be:

Sidney Moncrief
Corliss Williamson
Joe Kleine
Marvin Delph
Lee Mayberry

Sixth man:  Ron Brewer, Sr.

Ronnie is a good player, but I don't think he measures up to any of those guys.

Sid and Corliss are the two "automatic" choices.

[LA HAWG]

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

Since I am only 27 I did not really get to see Joe Kleine play for Arkansas.  Can you guys tell me how he would compare to Big O?

[RazorWire]

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

Since I am only 27 I did not really get to see Joe Kleine play for Arkansas.  Can you guys tell me how he would compare to Big O?

Joe couldn't hit the 3 ball ... 'nuff said.

[12under]

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

Since I am only 27 I did not really get to see Joe Kleine play for Arkansas.  Can you guys tell me how he would compare to Big O?

more skilled than big O offensively, but O had hands the size of a trampoline and could catch anything.  big O had terrific bball instincts.

[EastexHawg]

Joe Kleine was a great scorer and rebounder.  He averaged over 20 points per game one year, which was awfully tough to do in Eddie Sutton's system.

Let me just put it this way...he pretty much held his own going up against Hakeem Olajuwon.

Big O was a great talent, too.  He had some of the softest, best hands I've ever seen on a big man.  Great passer, too.  It's too bad he never cared enough to get in shape and stay in shape.

[Chappeee]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

[12under]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

it was just a simple question.  relax

[LA HAWG]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

Isn't this what message boards are all about.  I would like to get everyone's opinion on this.  It is not a slap to Ronnie or any of the other great players that have played for the Hogs over the years.  It is just meant to generate some discussion.

[Ugly Uncle]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

[idochog]

You guys are leaving off some serious players:

Alvin Robertson: made Olympics w/ Kleine

Darryl Walker

kareem Reid

Pat Bradley

[idochog]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

I agree

[LA HAWG]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

I agree

Good gracious.  I look at some of the crap that is posted on this message board on a daily basis and I get lambasted for starting a legit post.  WTH?

[The Truth]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

You're right, Chappeee. We should stop holding basketball tournaments, too, since it probably hurts the players' feelings when they lose. Why should George Mason, for instance, get to feel happy just because they scored more points than UConn? Why can't we change the game so everybody's a "winner"?

[MCPeePants]

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

Since I am only 27 I did not really get to see Joe Kleine play for Arkansas.  Can you guys tell me how he would compare to Big O?

Joe couldn't hit the 3 ball ... 'nuff said.

We have no idea whether Joe could hit the 3 ball since there was no such thing as a 3 ball when he played here.

One thing we do know is that, although he attempted a few, Oliver Miller wasn't any good at hitting the 3-ball. He was 5 for 30 on 3s for his career. Another thing we know is that Kleine was actually a better 3-point shooter in the NBA than Miller was: 13 for 48 for Kleine; 5 for 43 for Miller.

The only big man who was actually *proficient* at shooting 3s for the Hogs was Dwight Stewart.

   

[King-Tusk]

No, he would not.  Perhaps after another year of preparation, say at the collegiate level....hint..hint...

[geoffhog]

Top 10 probably, not Top 5. I haven't seen Joe Johnson mentioned anywhere. He didn't have a Top 5 career at U of A, but was certainly Top 5 talent-wise.

[HeathHateMe]

The list starts and ends with Glendon Alexander.  BOOOOOYAH!

[qakhed]

ollie could pass like a point guard too though.

[dishhog10]

How can we leave off Alvin Robinson or Darrell Walker?   I would take either of those guys over Cory Beck or Lee Mayberry.

[silvertip]

Sidney
Alvin Robertson
Corliss
Kleine
Ronnie

Everyone of these guys are excellent scorers, defenders, and rebounders. They all had or will have good NBA careers. Joe Johnson---left to early to have a great Hawg career.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Why or why not?  Just curious.  Not trying to bash anyone here.

Not in my top 20...

1. Monceif
2. Corliss
3. Alvin Robertson
4. Joe Klein
5. Lee Mayberry
6. Darrell Walker
7. Todd Day
8. Ron Brewer Sr.
9. Dean Tolson
10. Martin Terry
11. Corey Beck
12. Marvin Delph
13. Oliver Miller
14. Joe Johnson
15. Scotty Thurman
16. Scott Hastings


Old School...Johnny Adams, Glen Rose, Wear Schoonover & Gene Lambert

[zwhogfan]

Ronnie makes the top 15, any maybe, just maybe, top 10, but no way is he in the starting 5

[pigfeet]

Starters:

1 Lee Mayberry   Sub: Corey Beck
2 Alvin Robertson  Sub: Darrell Walker
3 Sidney Moncreif  Sub: Todd Day
4 Corliss Williamson  Sub: Charles Balentine
5 Big O   Sub: Joe Kleine

[PigPusher]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

I agree

Good gracious.  I look at some of the crap that is posted on this message board on a daily basis and I get lambasted for starting a legit post.  WTH?

I don't normally defend you, but in this case I must. As far as I am concerned your post was fine.  You are right there is some real crap posted on Hogville, but his is not one of them.  Now everyone just take a deep breath please.

[murray-vegas]

Brewer doesn't make my 12 man squad much less starting 5.

[TorsinAHog]

Mayberry
Moncrief
Todd Day
Corliss Williamson
Joe Kline

Six man:  Robertson

Sorry but Brewer Jr just cant match up to those players which is NOT a slap against him.  

[CiriusPorker]

Mayberry
Moncrief
Todd Day
Corliss Williamson
Joe Kline

Six man:  Robertson

Sorry but Brewer Jr just cant match up to those players which is NOT a slap against him.   

I agree with your pick..

ronnie should have been a lot better to make the top 5 all-time..

but that says a lot..we've had to some great talent come through.

[Arkapigdiesel]

Good Lord no.  There are at least 8-9 Razorback players that were better than him. 

[RedSatinHog]

1-Sidney Moncrief
2-Alvin Robertson
3-Darrell Walker
4-Corliss Williamson
5-Joe Kleine

While Ronnie Brewer has certainly carried this team the past 3 years, I STILL have 3-4 more players in front of him.

[Richard_white]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

Man I forgot about Terry Martin

and karma +1 for Scott Hastings

[hogtheball]

First Team (by position)
1 Alvin Robertson
2 Darrell Walker
3 Sidney Moncrief
4 Corliss Williamson
5 Joe Klein

second team:
1 Lee Maybery
2 Marvin Delph
3 Todd Day
4 Scott Hastings
5 Big O

2 off the bench:  Lenzie Howell,  Ron Brewer Sr.
Coach: I'm not gonna go there...

[Broken Trigger]

The list starts and ends with Glendon Alexander.  BOOOOOYAH!

Or so he probably thinks.  What a waste of a scholarship.

[dhornjr1]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

Man I forgot about Terry Martin

and karma +1 for Scott Hastings

It's Martin Terry, not Terry Martin

1st Team

Sidney Moncrief
Todd Day
Joe Kleine
Alvin Robertson
Corliss Williamson

2nd Team

Lee Mayberry
Martin Terry
Scotty Thurman
Darrell Walker
Ron Brewer

3rd Team

Marvin Delph
Scott Hastings
Oliver Miller
Corey Beck
Dean Tolson

Honorable Mention: Charles Balentine, Ronnie Brewer, Joe Johnson, Derek Hood, Lenzie Howell, Mario Credit, U.S. Reed, Keith Wilson, Steve Schall, Ron Huery, Pat Bradley, Ricky Norton, Andrew Lang, Darrell Hawkins, Clint McDaniel, Tim Scott, Keith Peterson, Tony Brown, Kareem Reid, Nick Davis, Alan Zahn, Dwight Stewart.   

[Ugly Uncle]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

Man I forgot about Terry Martin

and karma +1 for Scott Hastings

It's Martin Terry, not Terry Martin

1st Team

Sidney Moncrief
Todd Day
Joe Kleine
Alvin Robertson
Corliss Williamson

2nd Team

Lee Mayberry
Martin Terry
Scotty Thurman
Darrell Walker
Ron Brewer

3rd Team

Marvin Delph
Scott Hastings
Oliver Miller
Corey Beck
Dean Tolson

Honorable Mention: Charles Balentine, Ronnie Brewer, Joe Johnson, Derek Hood, Lenzie Howell, Mario Credit, U.S. Reed, Keith Wilson, Steve Schall, Ron Huery, Pat Bradley, Ricky Norton, Andrew Lang, Darrell Hawkins, Clint McDaniel, Tim Scott, Keith Peterson, Tony Brown, Kareem Reid, Nick Davis, Alan Zahn, Dwight Stewart.   

I meant Martin Terry.  It just isn't fair when a guy has two first names.  Is it Allen Ray, or Ray Allen?  I can't ever remember that either.

[Lando Calrissian]

Allen Ray, or Ray Allen?

I don't know.

I do know that I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who got it/them mixed up.

Next question:  Whose the better actor?  Keith David or David Keith?

[Richard_white]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

Man I forgot about Terry Martin

and karma +1 for Scott Hastings

It's Martin Terry, not Terry Martin

1st Team

Sidney Moncrief
Todd Day
Joe Kleine
Alvin Robertson
Corliss Williamson

2nd Team

Lee Mayberry
Martin Terry
Scotty Thurman
Darrell Walker
Ron Brewer

3rd Team

Marvin Delph
Scott Hastings
Oliver Miller
Corey Beck
Dean Tolson

Honorable Mention: Charles Balentine, Ronnie Brewer, Joe Johnson, Derek Hood, Lenzie Howell, Mario Credit, U.S. Reed, Keith Wilson, Steve Schall, Ron Huery, Pat Bradley, Ricky Norton, Andrew Lang, Darrell Hawkins, Clint McDaniel, Tim Scott, Keith Peterson, Tony Brown, Kareem Reid, Nick Davis, Alan Zahn, Dwight Stewart.   

I meant Martin Terry.  It just isn't fair when a guy has two first names.  Is it Allen Ray, or Ray Allen?  I can't ever remember that either.

There was a reason why I forgot Martin Terry, LOL

[LA HAWG]

Please stop this.  It is not fair to any of the Arkansas basketball players to name an all time starting five.  There are too many good players that have come through the program.  If you pick out a starting five, it would be a slap to several others.

I agree

Good gracious.  I look at some of the crap that is posted on this message board on a daily basis and I get lambasted for starting a legit post.  WTH?

I don't normally defend you, but in this case I must. As far as I am concerned your post was fine.  You are right there is some real crap posted on Hogville, but his is not one of them.  Now everyone just take a deep breath please.

Is there a reason you don't normally defend me.  Have I said some things to offend you in the past?  If so I apologize.

[RedSatinHog]

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

Man I forgot about Terry Martin

and karma +1 for Scott Hastings

It's Martin Terry, not Terry Martin

1st Team

Sidney Moncrief
Todd Day
Joe Kleine
Alvin Robertson
Corliss Williamson

2nd Team

Lee Mayberry
Martin Terry
Scotty Thurman
Darrell Walker
Ron Brewer

3rd Team

Marvin Delph
Scott Hastings
Oliver Miller
Corey Beck
Dean Tolson

Honorable Mention: Charles Balentine, Ronnie Brewer, Joe Johnson, Derek Hood, Lenzie Howell, Mario Credit, U.S. Reed, Keith Wilson, Steve Schall, Ron Huery, Pat Bradley, Ricky Norton, Andrew Lang, Darrell Hawkins, Clint McDaniel, Tim Scott, Keith Peterson, Tony Brown, Kareem Reid, Nick Davis, Alan Zahn, Dwight Stewart.   

You listed Steve Schall as an HM, but not Jim Counce?  Puzzling!!

What about Brad Freiss?  Warren Linn?

[dman]

I still puit Klien before Miller, but nobody shutdown Shaq the way Miller did.

[bighog1015]

i know joe kline and he would probably be my top #1

[Nutts and Bolts]

while Ronnie is good, he would probably make about 3rd team on my list

[bighog1015]

he wouldnt make my top 50.

[oldfart]

Im sure you mean Martin Terry.. the first really great scorer for the Hogs in modern history

1.  Lee Mayberry
2.  Sidney
3.  Terry Martin
4.  Corliss
5.  Miller

Second team:

1.  Corey Beck
2.  Ron Sr.
3.  Marvin Delph
4.  Scott Hastings
5.  Joe Klein

[oldfart]

The big difference between Klein and Oliver Miller is that Joe would work his a** off and never slack off... Miller was often lackadasical and let rebounders get past him.. cost us the NCAA one year....

Depends. If I was actually filling out a roster, I'd probably replace Ronnie with Scotty Thurman for 3 point shooting, but all aspects of the game considered, it would be a toss up for me between Ronnie and Joe Johnson


1. Lee Mayberry
2. Scotty/Ronnie/JJ
3. Todd Day
4. Corliss Williamson
5. Joe Kline

Since I am only 27 I did not really get to see Joe Kleine play for Arkansas.  Can you guys tell me how he would compare to Big O?

[dana caldwell]

know he was barely there, but you can't leave out joe johnson, no matter the temptation (chiefly alvin robertson). also, you've gotta go three guards no matter what:
* ron (not ronnie) brewer at the point
* G joe johnson
* G sydney moncrief
* F corliss williamson
* C joe kleine

[hogtheball]

know he was barely there, but you can't leave out joe johnson, no matter the temptation (chiefly alvin robertson). also, you've gotta go three guards no matter what:
* ron (not ronnie) brewer at the point
* G joe johnson
* G sydney moncrief
* F corliss williamson
* C joe kleine

I'd have to go with Alvin based on college performance over Joe Johnson.  Also, Alvin was a six-time all-NBA defensive team, an all-star, and was the NBA's most valuable defensive player one year.  Did you watch Alvin play?  Also, Dana, would Terry Wesley have been a great Razorback?