Rawleigh Williams

[Huds_HawgTide]

Thats high efficiency

[hawginbigd1]

You're probably right, although judging by their 1-10 record last year, Carter was a pushover.  I was offering a reason on why his rating wasnt higher despite his Bo Jackson Tecmo Bowl type numbers

I was just going to quote, this is not your "Friday Night Lights" era Dallas Carter we are talking about. Dallas and Ft. Worth High School football is very weak across the board, especially the public schools. I don't think Celina is as powerful as they once were either.

[MrsThree]

Will AC still return kickoffs?  Or do you think that might possibly be a role that RW3 slides into?  Possibly Reed as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to see someone from our secondary doing it, I wouldn't want to risk any of those guys!

[Biggus Piggus]

I was just going to quote, this is not your "Friday Night Lights" era Dallas Carter we are talking about. Dallas and Ft. Worth High School football is very weak across the board, especially the public schools. I don't think Celina is as powerful as they once were either.

He played in a private school league that doesn't have very many good teams in it.

[Nashville Fan]

How much film is there on KW other than the goal line plays?

My bad I thought this was a thread about Rawleigh Williams.

[bigdogbitting]

RW will be a good replacement for what we lost in Corliss Marshall, jet sweeps, wheel routes and just plain speed runs. Look forward to KW romping on the weaker Dline opponents and speed against the bigs with RW and AC

Woooooo Piiiiiiig

[CattleCorn]

ITT: Which of our RBs is more beast?  Not ITT: Oh noes, we lost JWill, we suck.


A little RW3 facts to mix it up:

Williams III owned the school records for career rushing yards (5,023), career rushing touchdowns (62), career total yardage (5,627), career total touchdowns (71), single season rushing yards (2,814) and single season rushing touchdowns (37).

I love the direction of our program.  Gonna be a great season!

GET HYPE

[duckman]

He played in a private school league that doesn't have very many good teams in it.

Thus the rating of 3-Star, I tend to believe the recruiting services missed on this kid bigtime.  He is very very talented and he isn't built like a freshman.

[Wildhog]

Thus the rating of 3-Star, I tend to believe the recruiting services missed on this kid bigtime.  He is very very talented and he isn't built like a freshman.

Wasn't just the recruiting services, either.  Only other offers were Duke and Okie State came in very late and offered.

I trust our coaches evals, though.  They've proven that they're very good at it. 

[factchecker]

Wasn't just the recruiting services, either.  Only other offers were Duke and Okie State came in very late and offered.

I trust our coaches evals, though.  They've proven that they're very good at it.

Wasn't Rawleigh committed to Ole Miss?  Didn't we flip him?

[ZERO]

Wasn't Rawleigh committed to Ole Miss?  Didn't we flip him?

Yeah, just about to come say that. Also, Oklahoma State didn't offer. Just us, Ole Miss, and Duke. But Duke has surprisingly been pretty good recently.

[Biggus Piggus]

Wan't he commited to Ole Miss?  Didn't we flip him.

Yes. Committed to Arkansas in June 2014, before his senior season. Had been an Ole Miss commit.

[Biggus Piggus]

His official biography states:

Chose Arkansas over Ole Miss, Oklahoma State, Stanford and Duke.

[factchecker]

His official biography states:

Chose Arkansas over Ole Miss, Oklahoma State, Stanford and Duke.

As much as we want to get kids with SEC offers,  I love getting kids with offers from Stanford and Duke.  Usually high quality young men who won't have trouble academically. 

[Wildhog]

Ole Miss bumped him for Eric Swinney:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Eric-Swinney-148369




Whatever, though.  We're very fortunate to have him.  I'll take good players any way we can get them.

That's the first I've heard of a Stanford offer.  It was never reported in the process.

[ZERO]

I just looked at his 24/7 profile and it showed no Oklahoma State or Stanford offer. But hey, I'm glad to hear it's true if so. The more good teams that offer, the better it is that we got him. Especially Stanford, since our offenses are comparable.

[Wildhog]

Yeah, just about to come say that. Also, Oklahoma State didn't offer. Just us, Ole Miss, and Duke. But Duke has surprisingly been pretty good recently.

Oklahoma State did offer a few days before NSD.  Our recruiting guys reported it.

[TexArkHogFan]

Billy Sims played for Hooks High School, a town of about 1,000 and was either Class 2A or 3A.  He put up astronomical numbers in HS and didn't do too bad in college.  Just because you play for a small school it doesn't matter if you have the talent.  Just sayin. 

[factchecker]

I just looked at his 24/7 profile and it showed no Oklahoma State or Stanford offer. But hey, I'm glad to hear it's true if so. The more good teams that offer, the better it is that we got him. Especially Stanford, since our offenses are comparable.

I agree,  I would respect an offer from Stanford more than Ole Miss.  Stanford has to be much more discrete with their offers due to academic standards.  Also, as you mentioned, they run an offense very similar to ours.

[hogsanity]

The thing for those talking about Walker or RWIII is that they may very well need Walker at FB, and if he is not significantly better at RB than RWIII then there is no need to move him out of the FB spot if they can get basically the same production out of RWIII carrying the ball.

[Biggus Piggus]

The thing for those talking about Walker or RWIII is that they may very well need Walker at FB, and if he is not significantly better at RB than RWIII then there is no need to move him out of the FB spot if they can get basically the same production out of RWIII carrying the ball.

No. Just no. They do not need a fullback that bad. They do need three tailbacks that bad. Walker is the number two tailback. RWIII has the role Korliss Marshall was supposed to have last season.

[Hog_Swanson]

As much as we want to get kids with SEC offers,  I love getting kids with offers from Stanford and Duke.  Usually high quality young men who won't have trouble academically.

Unless you are recruiting for the Lacrosse team...

[carolinahogger]

Unless you are recruiting for the Lacrosse team...

Ridiculous cheap joke.  Do about 10 minutes of research so you can explain the humor in false accusations and a rogue prosecutor.  The prosecutor, Mike Nifong, was disbarred and jailed for his conduct in the case.

Pretty funny stuff.

[Wildhog]

Ridiculous cheap joke.  Do about 10 minutes of research so you can explain the humor in false accusations and a rogue prosecutor.  The prosecutor, Mike Nifong, was disbarred and jailed for his conduct in the case.

Pretty funny stuff.

Jesus, lighten up.

[Hoggish1]

Billy Sims played for Hooks High School, a town of about 1,000 and was either Class 2A or 3A.  He put up astronomical numbers in HS and didn't do too bad in college.  Just because you play for a small school it doesn't matter if you have the talent.  Just sayin. 

Right.

So what if he was a three star playing at a private school...?  The talent was equal (his team and theirs).  If he can tear it up with his against theirs, that's all I'm interested in.

War damn Pig!

[hawgwash]

Billy Sims played for Hooks High School, a town of about 1,000 and was either Class 2A or 3A.  He put up astronomical numbers in HS and didn't do too bad in college.  Just because you play for a small school it doesn't matter if you have the talent.  Just sayin. 

I agree with your conclusion, and I'm really excited to see RW3.  In fairness, however, there's a ton of difference in the recruiting interest in Sims vs. RW3.  Sims was the subject of a legendary recruiting battle between Oklahoma and Texas.  Maybe others as well, but I think those were the main two.

[tophawg19]

so we go with A/C , R W 3 AND kENWORTH  for running back

[hawg66]

RWIII reminds me in build and running style of Mike Dyer.  Without the baggage of course.  Dyer played in a small classification yet he was highly rated.  I think RWIII didn't camp much, and the services missed on him.

[ZERO]

Ridiculous cheap joke.  Do about 10 minutes of research so you can explain the humor in false accusations and a rogue prosecutor.  The prosecutor, Mike Nifong, was disbarred and jailed for his conduct in the case.

Pretty funny stuff.

So, an incident that happened nine years ago - in which the bad guys got what they deserved and the innocent got off the hook, is off limits for a passing, innocent joke?

Congrats on being such a huge pantywaist.

[Cinco de Hogo]

I'm not worried about his talent, if it's there it's there and our coaches would know that.

As a freshmen he just has to get up to game speed and used to the pounding.  That is where playing in a lesser HS league "might" put him a little behind another player.  He's got some time to make the adjustment and Coach Singleton is one of the best in the business not to mention what Herbert can do for him.

Also our defense will do a very good job with that initiation?   

[scruf]

RWIII did have over 100 yards in the scrimmage against a host of players with SEC offers so there's that. Not that scrimmage stats count unless you're a QB that has a bad day in situational work but still.

[010HogFan]

Just watch his highlight tape and see if you still have any doubts. Kid can flat out run the ball.

[Hog_Swanson]

Ridiculous cheap joke.  Do about 10 minutes of research so you can explain the humor in false accusations and a rogue prosecutor.  The prosecutor, Mike Nifong, was disbarred and jailed for his conduct in the case.

Pretty funny stuff.

Chill out dude.  Just a joke.  We like to do that from time to time to keep things light.

[Boardon Hamsay]

RDub and KDub...😁 Aiming for a little naming consistency.

K&R Dub Club!

[Hogarusa]

Billy Sims played for Hooks High School, a town of about 1,000 and was either Class 2A or 3A.  He put up astronomical numbers in HS and didn't do too bad in college.  Just because you play for a small school it doesn't matter if you have the talent.  Just sayin. 

I dont believe the knock is that he is from a small school.  Just an explanation of how a RB can rush for 3500 yards and be a 3 star with not a huge P5 recruiting list. Obviously 100s of examples of high school kids coming from small towns and dominating college

[Tejano Jawg]

Dallas Carter and Celina aren't exactly pushovers.

Yeah, they open with Carter. And, they play Trinity Christian. They're always in the state playoff mix, and have sent plenty of kids to D1 schools.

As for RWIII, his high school film is amazing. So unless you said every one of those teams was average, I would not question the competition he saw. But, this is a different world now. We'll see. Luckily we have a few games for him to get used to the routine, before the really good teams hit our schedule.

I don't know CBB's philosophy...would he give Rawleigh 15+ carries early on, or put the load on Walker and ease RW in gradually? We'll see about that too.

[threeNout]

OK, so I've been watching his highlights the last few minutes, always hard to tell because because you have to judge the level of competition, but he appears to have exceptional burst to the 2nd level, really good.

Didn't see him catch a pass yet in the highlights, please let this guy have good hands, I want to see that burst after a catch in the flat, he seems to go from 0 to 60 mighty quick.

[GuvHog]

I'm really looking forward to watching RWIII play this season. That young man has some serious speed.

As for KW, he isn't the type of back that runs away from people, he'll just run OVER them.

How sweet it is.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Yeah, they open with Carter. And, they play Trinity Christian. They're always in the state playoff mix, and have sent plenty of kids to D1 schools.

As for RWIII, his high school film is amazing. So unless you said every one of those teams was average, I would not question the competition he saw. But, this is a different world now. We'll see. Luckily we have a few games for him to get used to the routine, before the really good teams hit our schedule.

I don't know CBB's philosophy...would he give Rawleigh 15+ carries early on, or put the load on Walker and ease RW in gradually? We'll see about that too.

I don't see it that way. I think they ease him in gradually and early. AC picks up the slack from the loss of J-Will getting about 8 more carries per game than average. Kody gets about 4 more than average and R-Will gets about 4 more than they originally planned to give him.

At that point they are going to evaluate:

1) who seems to know the offense and the calls the best and can adjust properly to audibles,
2) is willing to stick it in there and pass block (the unglamourous part of being a RB in this system, but necessary nonetheless)
3) and who is running the hardest, seeing the holes and making the correct cuts,
4) running the best patterns and catching the ball when it is thrown to them and then doing something with it after the fact (YAC),
5) who protects the ball best in traffic,

And from all of that we will see who winds up getting the most carries/touches in a game going forward. It could be one, or it could be a mixture of the two based on their strengths and ability to contribute to date.

[Calling All Hogs]

OK, so I've been watching his highlights the last few minutes, always hard to tell because because you have to judge the level of competition, but he appears to have exceptional burst to the 2nd level, really good.

Didn't see him catch a pass yet in the highlights, please let this guy have good hands, I want to see that burst after a catch in the flat, he seems to go from 0 to 60 mighty quick.

His hands look pretty good in this highlight video.

[SamBuckhart]

His hands look pretty good in this highlight video.

I can see him chewing up some yards on screen pass. He wears #22. Emmit Smith fan?

[JeffSpicoli]

I don't see it that way. I think they ease him in gradually and early. AC picks up the slack from the loss of J-Will getting about 8 more carries per game than average. Kody gets about 4 more than average and R-Will gets about 4 more than they originally planned to give him.

At that point they are going to evaluate:

1) who seems to know the offense and the calls the best and can adjust properly to audibles,
2) is willing to stick it in there and pass block (the unglamourous part of being a RB in this system, but necessary nonetheless)
3) and who is running the hardest, seeing the holes and making the correct cuts,
4) running the best patterns and catching the ball when it is thrown to them and then doing something with it after the fact (YAC),
5) who protects the ball best in traffic,

And from all of that we will see who winds up getting the most carries/touches in a game going forward. It could be one, or it could be a mixture of the two based on their strengths and ability to contribute to date.

#5 should be #1

[MuskogeeHogFan]

#5 should be #1

It wasn't necessarily in order, just a list of considerations when it comes to who will get the most carries throughout the season.

[31to6]

Will AC still return kickoffs?  Or do you think that might possibly be a role that RW3 slides into?  Possibly Reed as well.

It remains to be seen of course, but I don't see how we can afford risking one of our 3 RBs running back kicks on a regular basis.

[PorkSoda]

It remains to be seen of course, but I don't see how we can afford risking one of our 3 RBs running back kicks on a regular basis.

dmac and felix used to return kicks.  dennis johnson did as well.  it is one of the places where you can gain a big chunk of yards.

[Hogdomer]

His hands look pretty good in this highlight video.

My son practices at BL (rw's high school) in the evenings and one of his volunteer coaches was an offensive assistant at BL last year.  He said Williams' had incredibly good hands and caught everything thrown to him last year.  In fact, he told me last week (before JWill went down) that he wouldn't be surprised to see Rawleigh play some in the slot this year.

[31to6]

dmac and felix used to return kicks.  dennis johnson did as well.  it is one of the places where you can gain a big chunk of yards.

Those teams were deeper than we are after Jwill's injury. One more injured RB and we'd be in bad shape.

[bennyl08]

Those teams were deeper than we are after Jwill's injury. One more injured RB and we'd be in bad shape.

That's debatable.

Nutt            Bielema
Dmac             Jwill
Felix               Collins
Hillis              Walker
Smith              RW3

So, those are the star guys from the teams. At least, the guys who had star potential. So, it begs the question, if Dmac got injured, would Felix have still returned kicks? Keep in mind, Felix AND Dmac were our kick returners and they never got injured. The only guy I can think of who got injured recently as a returner was Johnson. Special teams are injury magnets in general, but I think that goes more for the blockers and tacklers than the actual returners. My evidence? The rule changes on kickoffs. Loss of wedges was injury related to those who were blocking and tackling, not the returners. The spot of the kickoff was to diminish the speed at which blockers and tacklers collided on special teams.

[31to6]

That's debatable.

How is it debatable? With JWill down we have 3 running backs and one of them is a true freshman. That's razor thin.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

who do you think will end up with more carries

RW3 or KW?

[edit]: You said carries not more snaps at HB. (Note to self, read more, drink less)

Can't say I know enough about Raw Will's pass pro and hands to give a guess.