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Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« on: September 09, 2017, 06:09:04 pm »

Had a better defense, recruited better, beat Saban twice, knocked off a couple top 5-10 teams, overall had better talent. Sure he underachieved, but at least he could reach 9 wins.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 06:09:29 pm »

I'll take Bielema
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2017, 06:10:29 pm »

Nutt was a better coach. But my irrational hate for him is still too strong to take him over Bielema.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2017, 06:10:53 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2017, 06:11:01 pm »

Had a better defense, recruited better, beat Saban twice, knocked off a couple top 5-10 teams, overall had better talent. Sure he underachieved, but at least he could reach 9 wins.

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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 06:11:11 pm »

No, he wasn't.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2017, 06:11:47 pm »

I'll take Bielema

Hating Nutt is easy. I think most of us would take BB over Nutt, but Nutt was a better coach than Bielema.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2017, 06:13:14 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec
BB is below .500 in SEC play.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2017, 06:13:47 pm »

Hating Nutt is easy. I think most of us would take BB over Nutt, but Nutt was a better coach than Bielema.

Bielema won the head to head match up.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2017, 06:14:01 pm »

Hating Nutt is easy. I think most of us would take BB over Nutt, but Nutt was a better coach than Bielema.

Knee-jerk hating BB right now is easy.  Nutt had so many worse moments than this, particularly non-game situations.  You don't have proper perspective.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 06:14:43 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec

Exactly. .500 > .312

Bielema isn't even .500 overall at Arkansas, including OOC games.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2017, 06:14:58 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec

.500 in the sec sounds really good right now
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2017, 06:15:10 pm »

I'll take Bielema

You may take Bielema....but Nutt was a better coach.......Bielema can't coach....or he choses not to.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2017, 06:15:26 pm »

Better coach is debatable.  No doubt he had better teams.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2017, 06:15:42 pm »

I wasn't a razorback for the nutt days, but did he continually have losses to teams that were not as good a program as us on paper? Toledo, tech, tcu, Rutgers, Missouri, VT, etc...?  I'm sure he lost his share but Bielema loses them more often than not.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2017, 06:15:43 pm »

Let us not even think it....more of the same.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2017, 06:15:52 pm »

BB is below .500 in SEC play.


Way below. Even excluding year 1 like every Biele-ver wants to do.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2017, 06:16:38 pm »

Exactly. .500 > .312

Bielema isn't even .500 overall at Arkansas, including OOC games.

I need to adjust my CBB name to Nutt 0.6
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2017, 06:17:03 pm »

Knee-jerk hating BB right now is easy.  Nutt had so many worse moments than this, particularly non-game situations.  You don't have proper perspective.

Nutt was here for 10 years, guarantee you BB would have just as many "moments" if he were here that long.

Off the field no, but on the field embarrassing losses absolutely.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2017, 06:17:17 pm »

Comparing records is not apples to apples. SEC West was nowhere as tough back then.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2017, 06:17:35 pm »

Knee-jerk hating BB right now is easy.  Nutt had so many worse moments than this, particularly non-game situations.  You don't have proper perspective.

You may misunderstand me. I 100% agree with your statement.

Just saying Nutt was better at coaching than Bielema when you compare their Arkansas tenures.

Nutt could've/should've accomplished way more here than he did though -- and I don't even want to think about the non football stuff.

I'll take Bielema over Nutt any day if the week, despite Nutt being the better coach.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2017, 06:17:56 pm »

Hating Nutt is easy. I think most of us would take BB over Nutt, but Nutt was a better coach than Bielema.

This is fact.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2017, 06:18:02 pm »

Way below. Even excluding year 1 like every Biele-ver wants to do.

His first year is his fault.  He even admitted it when he said how he came in and completely changed everything to his mode of play.  Of course BP recruits weren't going to play B10 football right off the bat.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2017, 06:18:57 pm »

Bielema won the head to head match up.

I think it's becoming clear that Brett wasn't the mastermind behind what went on at Wisconsin
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2017, 06:19:28 pm »

.500 in the sec sounds really good right now
not gonna happen this year, nor the next year nor the year after that....our recruiting has gotten progressively worse since Bielema's first class and you could see the results quite clearly today....we don't have enough talent at any position except center....Ragnow is a man
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2017, 06:20:27 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec
I agree. I still agree Nutt was a better coach. And Nutt sucked. Beleima has no passion at all
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2017, 06:20:30 pm »

You may misunderstand me. I 100% agree with your statement.

Just saying Nutt was better at coaching than Bielema when you compare their Arkansas tenures.

Nutt could've/should've accomplished way more here than he did though -- and I don't even want to think about the non football stuff.

I'll take Bielema over Nutt any day if the week, despite Nutt being the better coach.

Gotcha.  My apologies bro, after I re-read your 1st quote(which I quoted) I got it.  That route our WR ran on the construction tarp and our kicker still have my head spinning.

Carry on!
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2017, 06:20:40 pm »

Comparing records is not apples to apples. SEC West was nowhere as tough back then.

Sort of. The SEC was in the beginning of it's most dominant period at the end of Nutt's tenure and it was at the end of its most dominant stretch at the beginning of Bielema's tenure. But yeah, overall stronger on average during Bielema's years.

But Bielema is .312 in conference. That's cellar dweller stuff.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2017, 06:21:03 pm »

Had a better defense, recruited better, beat Saban twice, knocked off a couple top 5-10 teams, overall had better talent. Sure he underachieved, but at least he could reach 9 wins.
I said it last week.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2017, 06:21:22 pm »

Nutt was a better coach. But my irrational hate for him is still too strong to take him over Bielema.

^^THIS^^
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2017, 06:21:42 pm »

In his first 4 years, Nutt has more wins, more Top 25 wins, and more final AP finishes than Bielema. He won 9 games in his 5th season, including making the SEC title game.  How is Bielema a better coach again so far?
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2017, 06:26:26 pm »

You've had too much to drink. Please don't drive.
Based on what? Facts?
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2017, 06:28:02 pm »

What is Nutt doing now?

A lot of coaches had a streak of luck at one program.

So, what is he up to now?  Filing lawsuits that get dropped?
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2017, 06:28:35 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Check your stats. Nuttz was about .500 in the sec

I absolutely despised Nutt for his last 7 years, but he was a DRASTICALLY better coach than Bielema.  Hell, his SEC record was nearly twice as good as Brett's has been, and Nutt was coming off of back-to-back 4-7 seasons before he arrived.  Let's not act like Bielema's situation was much, if any, worse than what Nutt's was.

Bielema has proven he was all smoke-and-mirrors.  Hell, he came in touted as this great OL coach, and OL recruiter, but we are in year 5, and he is starting a walk-on true FR, a walk-on true Soph, and a converted DL on his OL.

If that alone doesn't not show everyone that this guy is a complete joke as a head coach, I don't know what will.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2017, 06:29:41 pm »

They both are a joke. Nutt lucked out with Danny Ford's players, McFadden, and Matt Jones. He caught lightening in a bottle I guess.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2017, 06:30:11 pm »

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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2017, 06:30:40 pm »

I'll take Nutt
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2017, 06:31:24 pm »

Had a better defense, recruited better, beat Saban twice, knocked off a couple top 5-10 teams, overall had better talent. Sure he underachieved, but at least he could reach 9 wins.

While we're being honest, let's be honest about a couple other things ...

The SEC during Nutt's tenure was nowhere close to what it is today...
Then as now, recruiting classes still matter more than scheme or game plan...
Arkansas under Houston Nutt today would yield the same results as Brett Bielema today...
Arkansas is what they've always been...a team of average, to slightly above average talent capable of 6-8 wins in a given year, with the occasional uptick in talent that yields a couple more wins, along with the occasional down turn that yields a couple more losses per year.

These are not slights against the program, by the way - they're realities that we either accept or refute. It doesn't matter who the university hires to coach Arkansas Football - talent will always dictate results and records...and the few coaches that have a track record of bringing high level talent to a football program already have jobs they like...also, we as fans should understand that even those coaches might not be able to recruit high level talent to come to Arkansas.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2017, 06:31:33 pm »

No he wasn't stupid thread starter.

BB isn't good enough though.   
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2017, 06:31:45 pm »

Better coach? Eh...?

Better fit here? Maybe so.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2017, 06:32:05 pm »

Not sure Nutt is/was a better coach but atleast he was a good cheerleader on the sidelines instead of this guy we have now standing still with dumba$$ look on his face staring off into the distance.  I wonder if he is thinking of donuts in these moments?
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2017, 06:32:36 pm »

Not really. He inherited his players & sec was way down when he was here

Nutt had his own players in 2006 and 2007 and knocked of the #1 and #2 teams ON THE ROAD in that time span, while having Arkansas's only Heisman hopeful and being in the national title run.
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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2017, 06:32:56 pm »

Hating Nutt is easy. I think most of us would take BB over Nutt, but Nutt was a better coach than Bielema.

Spot on
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2017, 06:34:07 pm »

All who wanted Bobby Fired how do you like it now!
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2017, 06:34:26 pm »

No he wasn't stupid thread starter.

In his first 4 years, Nutt has more wins, more Top 25 wins, and more final AP finishes than Bielema. He won 9 games in his 5th season, including making the SEC title game.

Give me something that Bielema has done to make me believe he is better...
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2017, 06:35:11 pm »

Not sure Nutt is/was a better coach but atleast he was a good cheerleader on the sidelines instead of this guy we have now standing still with dumba$$ look on his face staring off into the distance.  I wonder if he is thinking of donuts in these moments?

Hahaha.
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2017, 06:35:58 pm »

Nutt was a better coach. But my irrational hate for him is still too strong to take him over Bielema.

His participation in the utter destruction of Ole Miss has alleviated some of my disdain.  I think he still loves this helmet...
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2017, 06:36:40 pm »

Nutt had his own players in 2006 and 2007 and knocked of the #1 and #2 teams ON THE ROAD in that time span, while having Arkansas's only Heisman hopeful and being in the national title run.

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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2017, 06:37:21 pm »

Better coach is debatable.  No doubt he had better teams.
Recuting?
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Re: Lets be honest. Houston Nutt was a better coach than Bielema
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2017, 06:38:30 pm »

Recuting?

Do you know anything about Nutt's time here?  At all???
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