Pool is a Hog

[onebadrubi]

Wait, what?  You said Bielema is impressing "us" more and more every year in recruiting.  I suppose that may be the case for you but I can assure you it's not for some others.  What I would say is that Bielema has been consistent in bringing in solid classes every year.  So there you go, credit given.  But to insinuate that there has been any significant difference between year 1 and now, I would disagree with.

Well then open your eyes and look around.

I state top recruits aren't leaving.

He's getting top players from Louisiana and Texas. He's pulling a few good ones from the Florida schools out of Florida.  But you are right, until he isn't impressing you. You are tieing your evaluation to ranking given by websites battling for subscriptions, which for example had raulerson as a 4 star can't miss O line and Gibson as no rating. Some people have the ability to look at the whole picture to determine how well Bielema has done in recruiting, and that is much better than we've seen here before since joking the SEC.

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Well then open your eyes and look around.

I Instate top recruits aren't leaving.

He's getting top players from Louisiana and Texas. He's pulling a few good ones from the Florida schools out of Florida.  But you are right, until he isn't impressing you (uh, what?). You are tieing tying your evaluation to ranking(s) given by websites battling for subscriptions, which for example had raulerson as a 4 star can't miss O line(man) and Gibson as no rating. Some people have the ability to look at the whole picture to determine how well Bielema has done in recruiting, and that is much better than we've seen here before since joking joining the SEC.

Well, we aren't getting "top players" from LA or TX.  Yes, Guidry and Whaley are exceptions.  We are pulling solid players/prospects (for the most part) from there but not "top players".  Same goes for FL.  And no, I don't worry about rankings, generally speaking.  Of course, I've stated that many times but it doesn't make much difference.  I do look at offer lists and weigh those heavily.  That being said, every staff blows an evaluation from time to time. Should Johnny Gibson have received more attention from schools?  Well, after 1 game, you would have to say yes.  I'll reserve judgement until we get some more data but it looks good so far. Was Raulerson overrated?  apparently.  It happens. And trust me, I can see the whole picture.  And when it comes to recruiting, that picture doesn't look significantly different than it ever does for Arkansas.  Fingers crossed that changes someday though!  Oh, and I took the liberty of making some corrections to your original post. You're welcome.

[hawgwash]

But can he play DE???

[Paul]

Bumper already crootin for us

https://twitter.com/bumperpool10/status/795812520128876544

This is the player he replied to...
http://247sports.com/Player/Alston-Orji-90705

Orji is of similar size. He sounds like a great kid from a great family but I worry about Vandy & Stanford since he's a great student.

[ballinhog]

wait, we are?

That's what I was thinking lol I didn't even bother responding. I was like, ok? Lol glad you said it for me

[ballinhog]

The leader for that group should be Montaric Brown.

Yes sir! Finally some big names on defense to be excited about. Woo pig!

[onebadrubi]

Well, we aren't getting "top players" from LA or TX.  Yes, Guidry and Whaley are exceptions.  We are pulling solid players/prospects (for the most part) from there but not "top players".  Same goes for FL.  And no, I don't worry about rankings, generally speaking.  Of course, I've stated that many times but it doesn't make much difference.  I do look at offer lists and weigh those heavily.  That being said, every staff blows an evaluation from time to time. Should Johnny Gibson have received more attention from schools?  Well, after 1 game, you would have to say yes.  I'll reserve judgement until we get some more data but it looks good so far. Was Raulerson overrated?  apparently.  It happens. And trust me, I can see the whole picture.  And when it comes to recruiting, that picture doesn't look significantly different than it ever does for Arkansas.  Fingers crossed that changes someday though!  Oh, and I took the liberty of making some corrections to your original post. You're welcome.

Say  hello to an iphone and not interested in going back and fixing the changes.  You understood the post.  The ability of this staff to recruit across ever position is something we also haven't seen.  But to say this staff hasn't impressed you then I am not sure much would except going and being a bama fan.  The fact you felt the need to go back and fix typos and word changes from an Iphone are telling as well, it must make you feel superior and feed your ego.

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Say  hello to an iphone and not interested in going back and fixing the changes.  You understood the post.  The ability of this staff to recruit across ever position is something we also haven't seen.  But to say this staff hasn't impressed you then I am not sure much would except going and being a bama fan.  The fact you felt the need to go back and fix typos and word changes from an Iphone are telling as well, it must make you feel superior and feed your ego.

   I actually didn't understand the post until I re-read it after I made the corrections. Kidding.  Really the only point was to be a smarta$$. 
   I didn't say this staff didn't impress me.  What I said is that I disagreed with you saying this staff has impressed us more and more each year with their recruiting.  That's just not the case.  Doesn't mean I'm not impressed with this staff, as you say. 
   Now, if you would like to provide statistics to back up your claim that has shown "the ability to recruit across ever(y) position is something we also haven't seen", then I would be interested to see those.  B/c statistics have shown that recruiting at Arkansas has basically been the same over the Nutt/Petrino/Bielema years.  So I would have to disagree with you, yet again.

[onebadrubi]

   I actually didn't understand the post until I re-read it after I made the corrections. Kidding.  Really the only point was to be a smarta$$. 
   I didn't say this staff didn't impress me.  What I said is that I disagreed with you saying this staff has impressed us more and more each year with their recruiting.  That's just not the case.  Doesn't mean I'm not impressed with this staff, as you say. 
   Now, if you would like to provide statistics to back up your claim that has shown "the ability to recruit across ever(y) position is something we also haven't seen", then I would be interested to see those.  B/c statistics have shown that recruiting at Arkansas has basically been the same over the Nutt/Petrino/Bielema years.  So I would have to disagree with you, yet again.

Ok lets start,

-Nutt and Petrino couldn't keep the states top talent here.  Bielema has done so, including on the defensive side of the ball. 

-We've gone out of state and pulled recruits at positions of need from our biggest competitors and even other conferences (Wallace, harris, collins, guidry, Whaley, Kirkland, Merrick, etc).  This class is shaping up very similar in doing so. 

-Petrino and nutt always had holes in every class at a position.  We have not skipped a position that i know of since Bielema has been here. 

-We have seen some of the top talent visiting, while we haven't closed all of them we have closed some.  We are getting more top talent to visit which is a step in the right direction.  This staff is getting our hat on the table where the previous two didn't even get visits.  While that is not winning games, it is equating to growth and better directions. 

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Ok lets start,

-Nutt and Petrino couldn't keep the states top talent here.  Bielema has done so, including on the defensive side of the ball. 

-We've gone out of state and pulled recruits at positions of need from our biggest competitors and even other conferences (Wallace, harris, collins, guidry, Whaley, Kirkland, Merrick, etc).  This class is shaping up very similar in doing so. 

-Petrino and nutt always had holes in every class at a position.  We have not skipped a position that i know of since Bielema has been here. 

-We have seen some of the top talent visiting, while we haven't closed all of them we have closed some.  We are getting more top talent to visit which is a step in the right direction.  This staff is getting our hat on the table where the previous two didn't even get visits.  While that is not winning games, it is equating to growth and better directions. 

You're using very broad language that just isn't completely true. 
- Nutt and BP did not have perfect records of keeping home grown talent home.  Neither does BB, unfortunately.

- While I would tend to agree that BB has done better head to head with our "biggest competitors" (as you put it) than HDN, I don't believe he's done appreciably better than BB

- We have plenty of holes and still lack (quality) depth.  See the OL, Secondary, and LB's

- BP had every bit as many big time guys on campus as BB.  He wasn't the best at closing on them either but welcome to trying to recruit to Arkansas. 

[onebadrubi]

You're using very broad language that just isn't completely true. 
- Nutt and BP did not have perfect records of keeping home grown talent home.  Neither does BB, unfortunately.

- While I would tend to agree that BB has done better head to head with our "biggest competitors" (as you put it) than HDN, I don't believe he's done appreciably better than BB

- We have plenty of holes and still lack (quality) depth.  See the OL, Secondary, and LB's

- BP had every bit as many big time guys on campus as BB.  He wasn't the best at closing on them either but welcome to trying to recruit to Arkansas.

I never said Bielema was perfect.  He lost the DT from NWA that is riding the pine at Bama.  I fully believe he would have got that kid had he been here a little longer.  Then you have the debacle of the WR from NLR, but it came down to his step dad running him out of state and no coach was getting him to stay in Arkansas.  BP was not getting Agim, Pettway, Brown (committed now), and the others are probably a toss up. 


-No BP did not get as high of rated kids on campus for visits as Bielema has.  Not even close. 

BTW, if you are going to be such a SA with spelling errors, you should pay attentions to yours.  geeze.

[The_Boot_stops_here]

I never said Bielema was perfect.  He lost the DT from NWA that is riding the pine at Bama.  I fully believe he would have got that kid had he been here a little longer.  Then you have the debacle of the WR from NLR, but it came down to his step dad running him out of state and no coach was getting him to stay in Arkansas.  BP was not getting Agim, Pettway, Brown (committed now), and the others are probably a toss up. 


-No BP did not get as high of rated kids on campus for visits as Bielema has.  Not even close. 

BTW, if you are going to be such a SA with spelling errors, you should pay attentions to yours.  geeze.

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

[RME]

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

Just because I'm petty as hell and this pissing-contest between you two is entertaining.

But you are correct about his first point. Absolutely 0 way of proving Petrino wouldn't have landed those guys.

[factchecker]

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

I think it's better to use composite rankings that consider all the rankings available:

2002: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2002-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2003: 42  http://247sports.com/Season/2003-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2004: 24  http://247sports.com/Season/2004-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2005: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2005-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2006: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2006-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2007: 38  http://247sports.com/Season/2007-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Houston Nutt's Average Recruiting Class(final 6 cycles):  30.3

2008: 27  http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2009: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2009-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2010: 41  http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2011: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2011-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2012: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bobby Petrino's Average Recruiting Class: 27.6

2013: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2014: 29  http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2015: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2016: 26  http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bret Bielema's Average Recruiting Class: 25.25

[onebadrubi]

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

You are correct I am assuming Petrino wasn't getting Agim and Brown among a few others, but ask any unbiased person and the assumption is he wasn't hauling them in.  He has shown to lack in recruiting defense. 

To pull numbers from Nutts era is you must view the entire landscape of football at the time, it was vastly different.  CBP didn't have to recruit against A&M being an SEC member, which has changed everything. 

You also had the numbers from an instate haul that inflated Petrino's recruiting rankings.  Bielema has not had the luxury of that type of class just yet. 


Might want to check your abbreviation of coaches, mr I type so perfectly on a sports football forum. 

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Just because I'm petty as hell and this pissing-contest between you two is entertaining.

But you are correct about his first point. Absolutely 0 way of proving Petrino wouldn't have landed those guys.

Lol. I deserved that

[The_Boot_stops_here]

I think it's better to use composite rankings that consider all the rankings available:

2002: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2002-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2003: 42  http://247sports.com/Season/2003-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2004: 24  http://247sports.com/Season/2004-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2005: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2005-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2006: 25  http://247sports.com/Season/2006-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2007: 38  http://247sports.com/Season/2007-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Houston Nutt's Average Recruiting Class(final 6 cycles):  30.3

2008: 27  http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2009: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2009-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2010: 41  http://247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2011: 21  http://247sports.com/Season/2011-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2012: 28  http://247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bobby Petrino's Average Recruiting Class: 27.6

2013: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2014: 29  http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2015: 23  http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
2016: 26  http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Bret Bielema's Average Recruiting Class: 25.25

This helps my point. Nothing significantly different. The more things change, the more  they stay the same? Maybe

[factchecker]

This helps my point. Nothing significantly different. The more things change, the more  they stay the same? Maybe

I think there definitely is a "range" in which Arkansas recruits.... somewhere from 25 to 30.... regardless of who is coach.

The key then becomes retention and limiting the "bad" classes.  We can't afford to dip into the sub 40s.

My question is this:  If Bielema ever has a great season (10 plus wins) will he be able to capitalize on that success and recruit a class higher than we've ever had?

[The_Boot_stops_here]

You are correct I am assuming Petrino wasn't getting Agim and Brown among a few others, but ask any unbiased person and the assumption is he wasn't hauling them in.  He has shown to lack in recruiting defense. 

To pull numbers from Nutts era is you must view the entire landscape of football at the time, it was vastly different.  CBP didn't have to recruit against A&M being an SEC member, which has changed everything. 

You also had the numbers from an instate haul that inflated Petrino's recruiting rankings.  Bielema has not had the luxury of that type of class just yet. 


Might want to check your abbreviation of coaches, mr I type so perfectly on a sports football forum. 

- "ask any unbiased person...". Lol. C'mon man

- I used  The numbers from an inflated in-state haul that helped BP? I thought you said BP couldn't keep the kids in state?

[Arthur pigby sellers.]

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

HA!!
You used Scout.  Worse one there is

[The_Boot_stops_here]

HA!!
You used Scout.  Worse one there is

Oh, heck yeah Scout sucks. These stats were used on another board that was referencing Scout so, for sake of the argument, Scout was used  in the comparison as well. But honestly,  as long as the same service is used for all three coaches it doesn't really matter.

[ricepig]

Boy, did this thread hit the ditch. Nice pick up for the 2018 class, we seem to be getting a lot of looks and interest in this class so far.

[rzrbkman]

WPS!

So, he can officially sign 1 year and 3 months from now?

[ricepig]

So, he can officially sign 1 year and 3 months from now?

Unless they change to the early signing period.

[GolfnHog]

Orji is of similar size. He sounds like a great kid from a great family but I worry about Vandy & Stanford since he's a great student.

^^^^ This! But I'll keep hoping Mr. Orji likes what the Hogs have to offer.

[theFlyingHog]

But can he play DE???

I came here to make that exact post.

[hawgwash]

I came here to make that exact post.

Haha!  Great minds think alike.  And so do ours.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

- You're first point is full of assumption that you literally have no way of proving.

- you might find this interesting. 

Using SCOUT
From 2002-2007 - The Nutt Era - we averaged 28.33 nationally and 8.17 in the SEC. Low of 23 and a high of 34.
From 2008-2012 - The Petrino Era - we averaged 24 nationally and 8 in the SEC. Low of 17 and a high of 37.
From 2013-2015 - The Bielema Era - we averaged 30 nationally and 11 in the SEC. Low of 21 and a high of 33

Using RIVALS
CBB: 2013-2016 Nat'l rank 28.0 (range 25-32), SEC rank 11.5
CBP: 2008-2012 Nat'l rank 32.8 (range 16-52), SEC rank 10.2
HDN: 2003-2007* Nat's rank 35.2 (range 24-60), SEC rank 10.2


So while rankings are not the be all, end all, this certainly makes a point.  You can keep telling yourself that things are significantly different, but they aren't.  I hope that someday they will be.

Oh, and I didn't have spelling errors. Thanks though!

You are correct I am assuming Petrino wasn't getting Agim and Brown among a few others, but ask any unbiased person and the assumption is he wasn't hauling them in.  He has shown to lack in recruiting defense. 

To pull numbers from Nutts era is you must view the entire landscape of football at the time, it was vastly different.  CBP didn't have to recruit against A&M being an SEC member, which has changed everything. 

You also had the numbers from an instate haul that inflated Petrino's recruiting rankings.  Bielema has not had the luxury of that type of class just yet. 


Might want to check your abbreviation of coaches, mr I type so perfectly on a sports football forum. 

I'd opine that recruiting has been pretty consistent between BP and BB.  I'd give BB the edge in recruiting better across all positions.  However, His OL recruiting, ironically, has been a disappointment. 

Anywho, to say that BB is getting more top players than BP is exaggerated IMO.  And BP got tons of blue chippers to visit.  Just didn't sight much.  It's been the same with BB.  Jjust don't see measurable differences between the two.  And on paper, the current class looks like BB's worst so far.  Reminds me of BP's 2010 class.  On paper.  I do see less attrition with BB, though, and probably better assistants. 

In the end, BB will almost certainly be a 7.5 win per year type coach at UA.  Just can't get the type of recruits to Fayetteville necessary to get to the next level.  Really not BB's fault. 

[EastMemphisHog]

I state top recruits aren't leaving.

Not saying he's not doing well at recruiting, but this statement is incorrect. He did well with the in-state kids in 2016, but aside from Sosa and Bijhon, he hasn't landed the big-name kids in each class.

2014 - Frazier - BAMA
2015 - Hill - Ohio St
2017 - Byers - BAMA

[factchecker]

Not saying he's not doing well at recruiting, but this statement is incorrect. He did well with the in-state kids in 2016, but aside from Sosa and Bijhon, he hasn't landed the big-name kids in each class.

2014 - Frazier - BAMA
2015 - Hill - Ohio St
2017 - Byers - BAMA

You can't claim Byers yet.... not at least until he enrolls.  Otherwise here is the top 5 in-state recruits for each class since Bielema has been here.

TOP 5 Arkansas recruits since Coach Bielema hire (according to ESPN):

2013

Hunter Henry            Signed by Arkansas           Mackey Award Winner- San Diego Charger
Altee Tenpenny         Signed by Bama                              -
Brooks Ellis               Signed by Arkansas           Starting Linebacker
Austin Allen              Signed by Arkansas            Starting Quarterback
Jamar Criswell           ?                                                   -

2014

Bijhon Jackson          Signed by Arkansas           In 2-deep rotation
Joshua Frazier           Signed by Bama               Buried in depth chart
Jabe Burgess             Signed by Tulsa                Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast CC (JUCO)
Josh Liddell               Signed by Arkansas           Starting Safety
Deandre Murray         Signed by Tulsa                Transfer to D2 Pittsburg State

2015

K.J. Hill                     Signed by Ohio State                          Getting some playing time
C.J. O'Grady              Signed by Arkansas                             Red-Shirt To be Determined
Will Gragg                 Signed by Arkansas                              Red-Shirt To be Determined
Jamario Bell               Signed by Arkansas                             Red-Shirt To be Determined
Dominique Reed         Signed by Arkansas (from JUCO)           Was key weapon in passing game last season

2016

McTelvin Agim             Signed by Arkansas                            Starting defensive linemen
T.J. Hammonds           Signed by Arkansas                             Bright future in running back rotation
John Tate                   Signed by Memphis                               To be Determined- No stats available
Austin Capps               Signed by Arkansas                             Rotates in the two deep
Jordan Jones               Signed by Arkansas                              To be Determined- Redshirt


2013: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2013&position=&state=3

2014: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2014&position=&state=3

2015: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2015&position=&state=3

2016: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2016&position=&state=3

6 out of top 20 recruits have left state---- 3 of which had offers from Arkansas (Tenpenny, Frazier, and Hill)

ADD:

2017 recruits:

Akial Byers - Committed to Alabama - No offer from Arkansas
Montaric Brown - Committed to Arkansas
Joshua Johnson - Committed to Iowa State- No offer from Arkansas
Koilan Jackson - Committed to Arkansas
Taylor Powell -  Committed to Wake Forest - No offer from Arkansas

We've got the next two kids (Jarrod Barnes and Kirby Adcock) committed to us.  The one's we offered committed.

[onebadrubi]

Not saying he's not doing well at recruiting, but this statement is incorrect. He did well with the in-state kids in 2016, but aside from Sosa and Bijhon, he hasn't landed the big-name kids in each class.

2014 - Frazier - BAMA
2015 - Hill - Ohio St
2017 - Byers - BAMA

Fraziers mom was on this very board and said her son might have ended up at Arkansas had Bielema been here longer. Hill can GTFO after the stunt him and his for profit step dad made.  It's funny you bring up Byers, he doesn't even hold an Arkansas offer.

[whosiskid]

What is the name of RW III's brother? Is his interest in Arkansas still firm?

I love adding Bumper Pool We instantly get the coolest name in the SEC.

[jm]

The advantage that Bielema has had or the real improvement is not in the ranking, but in the number of guys that are staying and doing well in the class room etc. We are just not losing many due to poor grades or poor social decisions. He has done a good job of bringing in some older guys as transfers that have added maturity and leadership. As long as guys are still here there is a chance that they can still develop or help the team in some way.

[woodhog14]

Not saying he's not doing well at recruiting, but this statement is incorrect. He did well with the in-state kids in 2016, but aside from Sosa and Bijhon, he hasn't landed the big-name kids in each class.

2014 - Frazier - BAMA
2015 - Hill - Ohio St
2017 - Byers - BAMA

We'll your theory got shot down real quick. Maybe if you payed attention to all of recruiting for the state of Arkansas, you would be more informed instead of the Top Recruit each year in the state.

[Arthur pigby sellers.]

You can't claim Byers yet.... not at least until he enrolls.  Otherwise here is the top 5 in-state recruits for each class since Bielema has been here.

TOP 5 Arkansas recruits since Coach Bielema hire (according to ESPN):

2013

Hunter Henry            Signed by Arkansas           Mackey Award Winner- San Diego Charger
Altee Tenpenny         Signed by Bama                              -
Brooks Ellis               Signed by Arkansas           Starting Linebacker
Austin Allen              Signed by Arkansas            Starting Quarterback
Jamar Criswell           ?                                                   -

2014

Bijhon Jackson          Signed by Arkansas           In 2-deep rotation
Joshua Frazier           Signed by Bama               Buried in depth chart
Jabe Burgess             Signed by Tulsa                Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast CC (JUCO)
Josh Liddell               Signed by Arkansas           Starting Safety
Deandre Murray         Signed by Tulsa                Transfer to D2 Pittsburg State

2015

K.J. Hill                     Signed by Ohio State                          Getting some playing time
C.J. O'Grady              Signed by Arkansas                             Red-Shirt To be Determined
Will Gragg                 Signed by Arkansas                              Red-Shirt To be Determined
Jamario Bell               Signed by Arkansas                             Red-Shirt To be Determined
Dominique Reed         Signed by Arkansas (from JUCO)           Was key weapon in passing game last season

2016

McTelvin Agim             Signed by Arkansas                            Starting defensive linemen
T.J. Hammonds           Signed by Arkansas                             Bright future in running back rotation
John Tate                   Signed by Memphis                               To be Determined- No stats available
Austin Capps               Signed by Arkansas                             Rotates in the two deep
Jordan Jones               Signed by Arkansas                              To be Determined- Redshirt


2013: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2013&position=&state=3

2014: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2014&position=&state=3

2015: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2015&position=&state=3

2016: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&collegeid=&class=2016&position=&state=3

6 out of top 20 recruits have left state---- 3 of which had offers from Arkansas (Tenpenny, Frazier, and Hill)

ADD:

2017 recruits:

Akial Byers - Committed to Alabama - No offer from Arkansas
Montaric Brown - Committed to Arkansas
Joshua Johnson - Committed to Iowa State- No offer from Arkansas
Koilan Jackson - Committed to Arkansas
Taylor Powell -  Committed to Wake Forest - No offer from Arkansas

We've got the next two kids (Jarrod Barnes and Kirby Adcock) committed to us.  The one's we offered committed.

Wow!!
The biggest thing I learned from from these recruiting lists is just how weak Arkansas football talent is.

[theFlyingHog]

Wow!!
The biggest thing I learned from from these recruiting lists is just how weak Arkansas football talent is.

It's amazing how weak Arkansas high school football is as a whole. The emphasis just hasn't been there. If we could make Friday night a big deal around the state you would see things change for the better.

[010HogFan]

What is the name of RW III's brother? Is his interest in Arkansas still firm?

I love adding Bumper Pool We instantly get the coolest name in the SEC.

Brian Williams.

[navyhog24]

Brian Williams.

He and Chevin Calloway go to the same school. Getting Chevin has to help our chances as well as having big bro being really successful

[Pig in the Pokey]

Williams is the #1 Safety. Whaley was the #1 RB. Pool is the #1 ILB. State of Texas rankings. Looks like we aren't getting the good players out of Texas, huh 

[EastMemphisHog]

We'll your theory got shot down real quick. Maybe if you payed attention to all of recruiting for the state of Arkansas, you would be more informed instead of the Top Recruit each year in the state.

Ha what?? I just said he didn't get all the "big name kids", as was alluded to. And I was correct.

[hogoffate]

I came here to make that exact post.

He's playing DE now for his team. (Rockwall, TX)

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Williams is the #1 Safety. Whaley was the #1 RB. Pool is the #1 ILB. State of Texas rankings. Looks like we aren't getting the good players out of Texas, huh 

It's taken 4 years to get this Texas recruiting even decent. Also Williams hasn't committed here at this time

[hawginbigd1]

The advantage that Bielema has had or the real improvement is not in the ranking, but in the number of guys that are staying and doing well in the class room etc. We are just not losing many due to poor grades or poor social decisions. He has done a good job of bringing in some older guys as transfers that have added maturity and leadership. As long as guys are still here there is a chance that they can still develop or help the team in some way.

Yeah I was looking at a BP class maybe 10, it was like 27 players and maybe 12 ever contributed at all!