How Long?

[1highhog]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

Are you freaking serious dude?  Fans on here have went ballistic because some of us think it's high time after 5 years with a bad record you give your basketball ball Coach his walking papers, yet Mike Anderson has continued to suck year after year.  Now, CBB is in year what?  After following 2 years of where there was zero recruiting, he followed a guy that shouldn't be qualified to Coach high school football,  and he's brought about steady improvement in the overall program, not just a quick overnight fix.  And you're wanting him fired?

[1highhog]

I've wondered that myself.  When does accountability kick in?

Pure asinine.

[pigmailyen]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

Yup.
GET 'EM OFF MY LAWN.

[PorkRyan]

I'm going to ask you. I'm not sure I understand the Long hate. What's the deal?
I mean, he's done a hell of a lot better than Frank was doing

My biggest beef with Long is the ridiculous one-sided buyout that he approved for Bielema's contract.  He could literally go 0-12 next year and we are stuck with him.  That is bad business. 

[Iwastherein1969]

I don't hate Jeff Long. He's done a good job. I believe he's very comfortable with Bielema and will keep him as long as he wins about 7-8 games a year.

So you think Jeff Long is doing a "good job" and will keep him (Bielema) as long as we win 7 or 8 games a year. If Bielema is personally satisfied with an average of 7.5 wins per year I question his pride. Of course when you are knocking down basically 4 million per year, it becomes easy to lower one's expectations

[lefty08]

So you think Jeff Long is doing a "good job" and will keep him (Bielema) as long as we win 7 or 8 games a year. If Bielema is personally satisfied with an average of 7.5 wins per year I question his pride. Of course when you are knocking down basically 4 million per year, it becomes easy to lower one's expectations

So now Bielema doesn't care?  Go home, you're drunk

[code red]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

7 or 8 wins?  I really only see 2 more wins on our schedule.  This defense and offensive line are serviceable at the Sun Belt level....at best.

[DeltaBoy]

There's no real expectation for this year of winning more than 8.   Never has been.

Next year is likely to be the decisive year in the Bielema Era at Arkansas.   What the number will be then, is likely 9 or so regular season wins,  with how we look in them (and the losses) being a factor.

Short of really cratering this year, and missing a bowl next year,  I don't think he's likely to be fired.

This sounds too much like Nutt 2.0'

[Swine-as-wine]

I wonder if Bama fans would be calling for Saban's head, if they had of lost to us.

[Swine-as-wine]

This sounds too much like Nutt 2.0'

Maybe Nutt -2. Best as I can tell, Bielema hasn't reached Nutt level yet.

[fieldturf]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

Yea and next weekend we play the best 2-lost team in the nation!  Probably another weekend of melt downs.

[hoghearted]

My biggest beef with Long is the ridiculous one-sided buyout that he approved for Bielema's contract.  He could literally go 0-12 next year and we are stuck with him.  That is bad business. 

[ricepig]

You may be wrong. This may be the plateau. This very well could be the future under CBB. If you're a 17-18 year old high school phenom can you imagine going to school Monday and telling everyone you're going to ARKANSAS? I can hear the laughter

We aren't getting the high school phenom's, never have and more than likely never will.

[Gonzo]

I wonder if Bama fans would be calling for Saban's head, if they had of lost to us.

I don't think BB should be in any danger right now, but I'm hoping this is not a serious comparison. Saban has a few major skins on the wall, lol



Go Hogs! Beat Ole Miss!

[OldArmy94]

Here is the thing. Unless you are Alabama, and it even applies to them at yimes, you just have to be lucky to make it to the pinnacle. Of course you can recruit and prepare. But, at the end of the season, it boils down to things that are out of a team's control.

[hobhog]

I wonder if Bama fans would be calling for Saban's head, if they had of lost to us.
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Lots of good coaches having bad years. Tough profession with lots of Internet bosses.

[grassroothog]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

10 years. Im sick of the coach hiring merry-go-round. What makes anyone think we would end up with someone better? Give the man 10.

[ErieHog]

This sounds too much like Nutt 2.0'

You have no idea.    And no, its not like the Nutt era;  the competition is *far* better now, and the program was left a complete wreck, instead of primed to prosper.

[Iwastherein1969]

So now Bielema doesn't care?  Go home, you're drunk

if you read my post you would have seen the 'oh so important' two letter word "IF"....please don't respond to a post of mine if you don't read and/or can't comprehend the WHOLE of the two-line post

[Redhogs]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

HDN made it 10 years...

[lefty08]

if you read my post you would have seen the 'oh so important' two letter word "IF"....please don't respond to a post of mine if you don't read and/or can't comprehend the WHOLE of the two-line post

Wat?

[BassinHawg]

We need to buy him a motorcycle, fast.

[lefty08]

We need to buy him a motorcycle, fast.

A lot cheaper to buy you some oven mitts

[theFlyingHog]

HDN made it 10 years...

Yup. 42-38 in conference and got ten years. BB will be under .500 easily but will damn near stay that long

[hawgdavis]

LSU before Saban, was a middle of the pack SEC team.  Oregan before the right guy came along was a decent at best team. Say what you will but TCU and Baylor built their programs up with the right coaches as did Clemson. It can be done anywhere with the right coach and attitude. It can be done at Arkansas just don't know that BB is the guy. He is too nice like Richt was at Ga.

[daprospecta]

You may be wrong. This may be the plateau. This very well could be the future under CBB. If you're a 17-18 year old high school phenom can you imagine going to school Monday and telling everyone you're going to ARKANSAS? I can hear the laughter

As someone who played with guys who were highly recruited and the some with just a few offers(myself included), no one does this.  Being able to play at the next level was always a great thing no matter the team.

[factchecker]

As long as he improves every year.

We are 4-2 and even though the truck burners want to concede the rest of the season, we have plenty of games left.

If we win less than 7 (before bowl) then he needs to be on the hot seat.

If we go 0-fer or even 1-fer (not likely) the rest of the season then he needs to go.

If we have a typical Coach Bielema Novemeber and win 8 (before bowl) then he is safe till next season.

If we do the unthinkable and go undefeated the rest of the way (highly unlikely) then I will be extremely happy.

[1highhog]

As long as he improves every year.

We are 4-2 and even though the truck burners want to concede the rest of the season, we have plenty of games left.

If we win less than 7 (before bowl) then he needs to be on the hot seat.

If we go 0-fer or even 1-fer (not likely) the rest of the season then he needs to go.

If we have a typical Coach Bielema Novemeber and win 8 (before bowl) then he is safe till next season.

If we do the unthinkable and go undefeated the rest of the way (highly unlikely) then I will be extremely happy.

If we win less than 7 CBB needs to be on the hot seat,,,, this was a season when most felt that "if" we made 6-6 that was what our season should be with 7-5 being a good season.  People somehow get (stupid crazy) when they're keyboard cowboys or maybe it didn't help the situation any when we beat a bad TCU team, despite barely getting by a Sunbelt team to open the Season.  After last season, anyone that knew shiplap about our football team knew this was going to be a growing type season.  Our OLine was almost all gone, then we were starting with and unproven QB.  Sure and defense was supposed to be good, but when has it been, except for that first year under our current DC?  If anyone wants to talk about a Coach leaving, that's where the talk needs to be.  Our defense has stunk every year he's been here except his first and then after Robb Smith got his big raise, his defense has sucked monkey balls.  His schemes annoy the crap out of me.  Now you may point at Bama and say, they started a freshman QB, well, sure did, but he was behind a wall of an OLine as well.  And another thing I like about some of these things we've seemed to face all year, duel threat QB's.  When we have the QB's we have, we have to have a dominant pass protection OLine, when we don't, we better have a gamer like Austin, how that boy keeps getting up shows heart, he's been taking some bad hits.  But for all of you crying for CBB's head, you're all for of it.  We can't get a better coach than he is, he's who we need, and anyone that thinks he's soft must have missed the game Saturday.  We have the 3rd toughest schedule in the Country this year, every year we are in the top 5 of toughest schedule in the Country.  We're in rough shape this year with our defense and our OLine, if not for those two units, we'd be in good shape.  IMHO, If I was CBB, I'd be waving goodbye to a DC this year and doing a search for a top name in the defensive community that can make changes fast.  We're going to be losing some dang good receivers this year, but somehow we seem to pull a rabbit out of the hat in that area and I think we will be alright there next year.  We'll be really good at QB and RB, and our OLine should be a little better even though we lose a couple of big time veterans.  All next year rests upon our defense, that scares me if we don't replace Robb Smith.

[IntegrityHog]

I don't hate Jeff Long. He's done a good job. I believe he's very comfortable with Bielema and will keep him as long as he wins about 7-8 games a year.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

[justasportsfan]

And there is nothing wrong with that.

No disrespect intended here, but should he be paid 3+ million to get 7-8 wins a year?

[JaketheSnake]

He wont be on the hot seat no matter what this year.  Long is looking for stability.  Nothing wrong with that.  And NO, it doesn't mean I'm accepting mediocrity to support that.

As long as he improves every year.

We are 4-2 and even though the truck burners want to concede the rest of the season, we have plenty of games left.

If we win less than 7 (before bowl) then he needs to be on the hot seat.

If we go 0-fer or even 1-fer (not likely) the rest of the season then he needs to go.

If we have a typical Coach Bielema Novemeber and win 8 (before bowl) then he is safe till next season.

If we do the unthinkable and go undefeated the rest of the way (highly unlikely) then I will be extremely happy.

[JaketheSnake]

No disrespect intended here, but should he be paid 3+ million to get 7-8 wins a year?

Should you be allowed to post crap? 

All college football coaches are paid wel at this level. Only one wins the SEC every year.

[rhames]

Firing a coach who hasn't won a championship in his first four years, something that has not been done in 50 years here, will never win us a championship.


We are 4-2, ranked 22 and this is actually a rebuilding year. Chill out.

[justasportsfan]

Should you be allowed to post crap? 

All college football coaches are paid wel at this level. Only one wins the SEC every year.

Excuse me, but why would my opinion be considered crap?  Do you honestly believe the record deserves that kind of money?  Really?

[JaketheSnake]

Excuse me, but why would my opinion be considered crap?  Do you honestly believe the record deserves that kind of money?  Really?

Very much so.  Look at te big picture Arkansas Razorbacks right now instead of only looking at our current Top 25 ranking and our record with losses to only 2 top ten teams. 

[Karma]

We can offer almost the same amount of money to coaches. It's the oiss poor attitude of you arkansans that have dreams of being better beating out of you at a young age that hold the program back. Once the fans and donors expect more... then more will come.

Yep, it's all S.A.D.C.'s fault.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

I just can't get too upset about losing that game.  Bama and A & M were most likely our toughest opponents.  Let's see what happens from here.

Don't go trying to bring a common sense, logical response to this thread. 

[hogblitz]

Firing a coach who hasn't won a championship in his first four years, something that has not been done in 50 years here, will never win us a championship.


We are 4-2, ranked 22 and this is actually a rebuilding year. Chill out.

I just do not get it.  You are not the only one to say this.  Rebuilding in year 4!  Haha. He has virtually all his recruits in there and 4 years of his system.  It's his ship now.   People like you start off saying he needs 4 years.  Then, 4 years comes and he needs 6! 

[JaketheSnake]

I just do not get it.  You are not the only one to say this.  Rebuilding in year 4!  Haha. He has virtually all his recruits in there and 4 years of his system.  It's his ship now.   People like you start off saying he needs 4 years.  Then, 4 years comes and he needs 6! 

A lot of stuff he has no control over has happened this year and after last season.  How different do we look if Denver Kirkland stays and Tutt is healthy? If Putu doesn't flip in signing day?  We must do a better job, but like it or not we are in a rebuilding year.

[rhames]

I just do not get it.  You are not the only one to say this.  Rebuilding in year 4!  Haha. He has virtually all his recruits in there and 4 years of his system.  It's his ship now.   People like you start off saying he needs 4 years.  Then, 4 years comes and he needs 6! 

So what should our record be right now?

[justasportsfan]

A lot of stuff he has no control over has happened this year and after last season.  How different do we look if Denver Kirkland stays and Tutt is healthy? If Putu doesn't flip in signing day?  We must do a better job, but like it or not we are in a rebuilding year.

He is the captain of the SS Razorback, and he is ultimately responsible for everything.  Examples, better Oline recruiting, Kirkland's departure isn't as glaring a problem.  This is year 4, its not supposed to be a rebuilding year, the pipeline is established, or, is it?

[(notOM)Rebel123]

I just do not get it.  You are not the only one to say this.  Rebuilding in year 4!  Haha. He has virtually all his recruits in there and 4 years of his system.  It's his ship now.   People like you start off saying he needs 4 years.  Then, 4 years comes and he needs 6! 

The season is far from over. Please tell..did you expect this team to be better than 4-2 at this point in the season? BTW, your boy Petrino lost to Bama by 24 in his 4th year.

[JaketheSnake]

He is the captain of the SS Razorback, and he is ultimately responsible for everything.  Examples, better Oline recruiting, Kirkland's departure isn't as glaring a problem.  This is year 4, its not supposed to be a rebuilding year, the pipeline is established, or, is it?

Find me a team that doesn't go through thepugh rebuidling years.  Even BAMA does.  Part of football.

[hogblitz]

A lot of stuff he has no control over has happened this year and after last season.  How different do we look if Denver Kirkland stays and Tutt is healthy? If Putu doesn't flip in signing day?  We must do a better job, but like it or not we are in a rebuilding year.

Every team deals with situations such as these every year.  Not just us. Do you think we are the only team that ever loses players to NFL early or whiffs on a recruit?!  Lol.  He is responsible for all aspects of the program and it is his responsibility to make sure we keep up with the Jones's.  There could be excuses made in the first couple of years but not year 4.  There are no excuses in year 4.  With the bar set so low with 7-5(regular season) being his best year , there is no excuse not to win 8 games this year(regular season).  That is a very reasonable win total expectation.    I still think that could very well happen.  If it does, that would be acceptable to me.  However, in my opinion anything less is unacceptable. 

[justasportsfan]

Find me a team that doesn't go through thepugh rebuidling years.  Even BAMA does.  Part of football.

But, by all accounts, this was NOT supposed to be that year.  Year 4, season 4, of CBB's program.  Isn't that meant to be a championship year?  Where's the 3rd year tackles, guards, everywhere.  This looks bad.

[JaketheSnake]

Every team deals with situations such as these every year.  Not just us. Do you think we are the only team that ever loses players to NFL early or whiffs on a recruit?!  Lol.  He is responsible for all aspects of the program and it is his responsibility to make sure we keep up with the Jones's.  There could be excuses made in the first couple of years but not year 4.  There are no excuses in year 4.  With the bar set so low with 7-5(regular season) being his best year , there is no excuse not to win 8 games this year(regular season).  That is a very reasonable win total expectation.    I still think that could very well happen.  If it does, that would be acceptable to me.  However, in my opinion anything less is unacceptable. 

So BAMA should have fired Saban for not winning te NC a couple years ago.  Losing to Johnny Football?  Fired before he gets back to the tunnel after the game. 

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Every team deals with situations such as these every year.  Not just us. Do you think we are the only team that ever loses players to NFL early or whiffs on a recruit?!  Lol.  He is responsible for all aspects of the program and it is his responsibility to make sure we keep up with the Jones's.  There could be excuses made in the first couple of years but not year 4.  There are no excuses in year 4.  With the bar set so low with 7-5(regular season) being his best year , there is no excuse not to win 8 games this year(regular season).  That is a very reasonable win total expectation.    I still think that could very well happen.  If it does, that would be acceptable to me.  However, in my opinion anything less is unacceptable. 

I'm sure your opinion will weigh heavily in the BOT & AD's decision.
Your love for everything BP has clouded your judgement. You do realize that CBP lost to both Bama & LSU by 24 in his 4th season? Plus, he wasn't trying to put out a complete dumpster fire left by the previous 2 coaches.

[JaketheSnake]

But, by all accounts, this was NOT supposed to be that year.  Year 4, season 4, of CBB's program.  Isn't that meant to be a championship year?  Where's the 3rd year tackles, guards, everywhere.  This looks bad.

After the crap he had to take over and how he runs his systems, year 5 was gonna be the true measuring stick from the getgo.  We should have a bettter OL right now, but you can see my previous points. 

[rhames]

Every team deals with situations such as these every year.  Not just us. Do you think we are the only team that ever loses players to NFL early or whiffs on a recruit?!  Lol.  He is responsible for all aspects of the program and it is his responsibility to make sure we keep up with the Jones's.  There could be excuses made in the first couple of years but not year 4.  There are no excuses in year 4.  With the bar set so low with 7-5(regular season) being his best year , there is no excuse not to win 8 games this year(regular season).  That is a very reasonable win total expectation.    I still think that could very well happen.  If it does, that would be acceptable to me.  However, in my opinion anything less is unacceptable. 

Sorry bud but your opinion, my opinion, everyone's here doesn't mean much


Just chill out and enjoy the last 6 games. They have a shot to win 8. Let's see how they look after the bye week. The last 4 games are very winnable. In all reality we are probably going to lose Saturday and Auburn is going to be tough.

[hawgbawb]

Starting off league play with the three best teams sucks