How Long?

[lamont7906]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

[justasportsfan]

I've wondered that myself.  When does accountability kick in?

[Gonzo]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

To be fair, he hasn't plateaued yet, though he may. Let the rest of the season play out, evaluate then. Even then, it's probably a little early to claim a definite trend, unless it's up, since that has been the trend his first 3 season. He may surprise you, hopefully pleasantly. Either way, I don't think there is going be any significant pressure on him for at least a couple more seasons, rightly or wrongly, so it's not going to do any of us much good to get too wound up about it.


Go Hogs! Beat Ole Miss!

[HamSammich]

Just curious how long do you keep a coach around of he continues to get 7 or 8 wins? I mean even here at Arkansas we have the capability to get 9 plus even up to 11 with the right coach. The reason Nut stayed longer then he should because he would come up with a significant win or a 10 win season. If Coach B don't do it this year I don't see him doing it next year with the change over a reciever.

How long?

Jeff Long...

So forever

[theFlyingHog]

To be fair, he hasn't plateaued yet, though he may. Let the rest of the season play out, evaluate then. Even then, it's probably a little early to claim a definite trend, unless it's up, since that has been the trend his first 3 season. He may surprise you, hopefully pleasantly. Either way, I don't think there is going be any significant pressure on him for at least a couple more seasons, rightly or wrongly, so it's not going to do any of us much good to get too wound up about it.


Go Hogs! Beat Ole Miss!

You may be wrong. This may be the plateau. This very well could be the future under CBB. If you're a 17-18 year old high school phenom can you imagine going to school Monday and telling everyone you're going to ARKANSAS? I can hear the laughter

[theFlyingHog]

How long?

Jeff Long...

So forever

Nice one. +1 if i could

[Pig Worshipper]

How long?

Jeff Long...

So forever

Absolutely correct and well-said.
As long as Long is here, Coach B will be here.

[theFlyingHog]

Absolutely correct and well-said.
As long as Long is here, Coach B will be here.

I'm going to ask you. I'm not sure I understand the Long hate. What's the deal?
I mean, he's done a hell of a lot better than Frank was doing

[HamSammich]

I'm going to ask you. I'm not sure I understand the Long hate. What's the deal?
I mean, he's done a hell of a lot better than Frank was doing

Because programs like Texas expect to win and will fire strong after three years. We?? We will have integrity and being Bret beliema for another two years... because remember next year will be a rebuilding year too.


Instead of stadium upgrades offer tom her-superman ten mill a year... but we don't have the guts to get it right

[theFlyingHog]

Because programs like Texas expect to win and will fire strong after three years. We?? We will have integrity and being Bret beliema for another two years... because remember next year will be a rebuilding year too.


Instead of stadium upgrades offer tom her-superman ten mill a year... but we don't have the guts to get it right

I can understand that. And i won't argue with it either. GChamblee might though, watch out for him tonight. Think somebody put sandpaper in his Depends.
Me personally, I'll give BB one more year. If we start next year looking like a high school team then I am done with him. I know, it's been long enough already. But for some reason I'll give him one more year. If this BS on the OL doesn't get fixed then biggun will have a difficult time finding another D1 job.

[S.A.D.C]

Because programs like Texas expect to win and will fire strong after three years. We?? We will have integrity and being Bret beliema for another two years... because remember next year will be a rebuilding year too.


Instead of stadium upgrades offer tom her-superman ten mill a year... but we don't have the guts to get it right

Because Arkansas and Texas should have the same expectations- obviously.

[Hog1751]

If we manage to go 4-4 or worse in conference play he needs to go. 4-4 would mean he's 11-21 in SEC play after four years. That's not acceptable, it's barely acceptable at Vanderbilt.

[HamSammich]

Because Arkansas and Texas should have the same expectations- obviously.

We can offer almost the same amount of money to coaches. It's the oiss poor attitude of you arkansans that have dreams of being better beating out of you at a young age that hold the program back. Once the fans and donors expect more... then more will come.

[AirForceHog]

Burn it down? Screw hog football? Replace a coach every four years?

[IMABIELEMA]

But he has a hot wife... and he talks smack to teams like Auburn...

[HamSammich]

Because Arkansas and Texas should have the same expectations- obviously.

Because Baylor and Texas or Texas and tcu should have similar expectations ..... that is the crap I expected. Thanks for reaffirming my opinions.

[ErieHog]

There's no real expectation for this year of winning more than 8.   Never has been.

Next year is likely to be the decisive year in the Bielema Era at Arkansas.   What the number will be then, is likely 9 or so regular season wins,  with how we look in them (and the losses) being a factor.

Short of really cratering this year, and missing a bowl next year,  I don't think he's likely to be fired.

[Pig Worshipper]

I'm going to ask you. I'm not sure I understand the Long hate. What's the deal?
I mean, he's done a hell of a lot better than Frank was doing

I don't hate Jeff Long. He's done a good job. I believe he's very comfortable with Bielema and will keep him as long as he wins about 7-8 games a year.

[root_hawg]

Bama will return 7 on offense, bringing in 2 tackles that are top in the nation and the number 1 RB ... wont matter next year either

[PonderinHog]

2018

[Gonzo]

You may be wrong. This may be the plateau. This very well could be the future under CBB. If you're a 17-18 year old high school phenom can you imagine going to school Monday and telling everyone you're going to ARKANSAS? I can hear the laughter

My point is it's not a plateau yet, since it hasn't leveled off. Yes, this may be his plateau, but that is yet to be determined. There's no way to know a trend has stopped or reversed until it actually happens. As of now, his record has improved every year, this year remains to be seen. As badly as this game sucked, the Hogs are still 4 - 2. If they manage to go 4 - 2 in the second half of the season, not unthinkable but certainly not a given either, then 8 - 4 would still be an improvement and we still wouldn't know what is peak is yet. I don't assert I think his ceiling is higher of that I think he's reached it. I don't think we know yet either way.


Go Hogs! Beat Ole Miss!

[26.2Hog]

I'm going to ask you. I'm not sure I understand the Long hate. What's the deal?
I mean, he's done a hell of a lot better than Frank was doing

Have you checked the buyout he gave Bielema?  I don't hate Long, but that was not prudent.

[jgphillips3]

Bret was guaranteed six years when he took the job.  This is year four.  He has two more years to get this thing together.  After that, it's anyone's guess.  I see no way, as good a human being as Bret is, barring complete and utter collapse or a Harley-Gate part 2, that Bret doesn't get his 6 years.

[kiddhog]

CBB will be a mediocre ( middle of the pack ) sec coach .   we will do things the right way but we will be a 6-7 win team year in and year out.  8 wins will be a very good year - 9 wins will be a great year for us under CBB ( 5-3 in sec ).  he does things the right way but an average game day coach.  he is what he is.   we will be happy for borderline erotic Texas bowl win   lets hope Texas continues to suck - right ??

[root_hawg]

What would you have liked BB to have done during the game to turn the tide?

[S.A.D.C]

We can offer almost the same amount of money to coaches. It's the oiss poor attitude of you arkansans that have dreams of being better beating out of you at a young age that hold the program back. Once the fans and donors expect more... then more will come.

For one I am not an Arkansan which apparently allows me to see this more logically than some of you.  Wake up man- this ain't Texas or LSU or Alabama. 
Let me know how that "expecting alternate realities" works out for you.

[HamSammich]

What would you have liked BB to have done during the game to turn the tide?

I would have liked him to be Chris Petersen or Tom Herman or even mr un-integrity Briles

[Michael_E_Davis]

The season isn't over yet.  However, I do have a question for the people that want Bielema gone.  Who is a realistic coach that you think would come here,  that has a better overall record of success,  that you think will do much better?  Let's hear it.

[HamSammich]

For one I am not an Arkansan which apparently allows me to see this more logically than some of you.  Wake up man- this ain't Texas or LSU or Alabama. 
Let me know how that "expecting alternate realities" works out for you.

Yep Texas and lsu are on top. Good point. We can never reach their levels

[tzthib]

We can offer almost the same amount of money to coaches. It's the oiss poor attitude of you arkansans that have dreams of being better beating out of you at a young age that hold the program back. Once the fans and donors expect more... then more will come.

Yep. I don't understand why people are so willing to settle for mediocrity.

[Sir Oinksalot]

I've wondered that myself.  When does accountability kick in?

Never, Longs lips are locked and Hillary is going to be President ....

Basically, we don't deserve any better ...

[hamARchy in the USA]

Well, one could take a look at the basketball program for perspective.  Turning around a basketball program is a 2-3 year task for a good coach yet after 5 years of hopelessness in a weak league MA appears to be quite comfortable.  Turning around a football program with its 85 scholarship players in the toughest division in college football is a bigger challenge that undoubtedly means an even longer time horizon, especially in the case of a coach like Bielema who brought with him to Arkansas a championship resume in a major conference.

[lefty08]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

[Jonteviosk]

Look the way I see things is...We are 4-2 yes 0-2 in SEC play. Ole Miss next week is not Texas A& M or Alabama...We have played the two best teams on our schedule...Every other game we play is winnable. How may will we win I don't know but we play no other top 10 caliber teams. Everyone is acting like the sky is falling we just played and lost to the #1 and defending national championship team. We hoped for better but this doesn't truly surprise any of us. Ole Miss is a good but not great team same with every other team in SEC West not Bama or Aggies this year. We will beat Florida and Missouri. I still say we beat Auburn and LSU you cant tell me either of them are great teams either. I believe like usual we split with Miss schools. We will se how the rest of the year goes.

[HamSammich]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

Nothing like the same excuse makers we have read for years..... people that are actually the bane of success.

[PonderinHog]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

I just can't get too upset about losing that game.  Bama and A & M were most likely our toughest opponents.  Let's see what happens from here.

[tzthib]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

If you say Arkansas can never be as good as the best teams in the country, then it doesn't matter how many posts you have. You're wrong.

[Jonteviosk]

If you say Arkansas can never be as good as the best teams in the country, then it doesn't matter how many posts you have. You're wrong.

You are right of course...Under Petrino his last year here we were a top 3 team...That year the 3 best teams were all SEC. So we were up there...

[Augustus]

Well, unless someone has $15 Million dollars sitting around... I would imagine it's at least until 1/1/2018.

And, even after that, it's still $12+ Million...

[tophawg19]

Because programs like Texas expect to win and will fire strong after three years. We?? We will have integrity and being Bret beliema for another two years... because remember next year will be a rebuilding year too.


Instead of stadium upgrades offer tom her-superman ten mill a year... but we don't have the guts to get it right

you mean the tom herman who lost to Navy tonight ?

[theFlyingHog]

you mean the tom herman who lost to Navy tonight ?

Everything is fun and games until someone takes a jab at the Mids. I'm watching you 

[IMABIELEMA]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

Haha out at best team in nation.  They are good but they won't win it all.  They might not even win the secW

[AirForceHog]

You are right of course...Under Petrino his last year here we were a top 3 team...That year the 3 best teams were all SEC. So we were up there...

Keep living in the past. You'll go far.

[IMABIELEMA]

You're an idiot.  Are they not the best team in the country?

Hahahaha they won't win it all.  They don't have the offense.

[26.2Hog]

New posters out in full force. Nothing like a good melt after losing to the best team in the nation

We didn't just lose.  We got our teeth kicked in.  We gave up over 10 yards per snap to them.

Sounds like you're good with that. 

[alohawg]

Here's an idea for restructuring coaches pay.

Each win represents 10% of his pay.
Example:
win 7 get 70%
win 10 get 100%
win 11 get 110%

[PossumFan]

I can understand that. And i won't argue with it either. GChamblee might though, watch out for him tonight. Think somebody put sandpaper in his Depends.
Me personally, I'll give BB one more year. If we start next year looking like a high school team then I am done with him. I know, it's been long enough already. But for some reason I'll give him one more year. If this BS on the OL doesn't get fixed then biggun will have a difficult time finding another D1 job.

YOU will give him one more year? I'm sure Bret appreciates that.

[lefty08]

Nothing like the same excuse makers we have read for years..... people that are actually the bane of success.

I highly doubt you have been here for years.......

[lefty08]

If you say Arkansas can never be as good as the best teams in the country, then it doesn't matter how many posts you have. You're wrong.

Sigh, I never said that.............

[S.A.D.C]

Here's an idea for restructuring coaches pay.

Each win represents 10% of his pay.
Example:
win 7 get 70%
win 10 get 100%
win 11 get 110%

All the good coaches would be lining up at the door for that opportunity!