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AirWarren

Quote from: HawgHeadCheese on January 07, 2017, 09:59:25 pm
I agree with this comment. Next year we will be trading Hannahs, Watkins, and Kingsley for Garland, Hall, and Gafford. All of those guys are a upgrade of size, speed, and athleticism. I think this team is tournament worthy this yr.

I hope these replacements live up to their hype.

Rbill

Quote from: HawgHeadCheese on January 07, 2017, 09:59:25 pm
I agree with this comment. Next year we will be trading Hannahs, Watkins, and Kingsley for Garland, Hall, and Gafford. All of those guys are a upgrade of size, speed, and athleticism. I think this team is tournament worthy this yr.

If this is true I am very excited about that future. It really seems crystal clear that our success now is riding on Macon and Barford making plays. That's when we look the best. 2 or 3 more guys like that and a big with offense on his mind will be very nice. We aren't the same team at all when relying on Hannahs and Beard. Of course if Hannahs starts hitting shots it would certainly help this year too.

 

snoot hoggy hog

Hannahs and Macon gotta let it fly and stop pump faking. You can pump fake yourself out of a shot sometimes and they did that a lot tonight. If you're scared go to church.

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Quote from: snoot hoggy hog on January 07, 2017, 10:13:59 pm
Hannahs and Macon gotta let it fly and stop pump faking. You can pump fake yourself out of a shot sometimes and they did that a lot tonight. If you're scared go to church.

This! Why do they pump fake 30 feet from the basket? You don't see anyone else do this as much as they do.

Just catch it and shoot it!!!
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snoot hoggy hog

Quote from: BassinHawg on January 07, 2017, 11:29:03 pm
This! Why do they pump fake 30 feet from the basket? You don't see anyone else do this as much as they do.

Just catch it and shoot it!!!
I was screaming at television every time I saw them pump faking and not knowing where to go with the ball.

The_Bionic_Pig

Quote from: Westcoasthog on January 07, 2017, 09:55:12 pm
     Arkansas needs a new coach that can win and beat Kentucky!

Arkansas (Mike Anderson) is 4-5 vs Kentucky (John Calapari) could you atleast have some sort of point of reference rather than blabbering out  "we need a coach who can beat Kentucky"

That's the best win/loss record in the SEC, ACC, BIG10, etc.. vs the Kentucky Wildcats the past 5 seasons Westcoasthog....
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Hogs958

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on January 08, 2017, 12:00:26 am
Arkansas (Mike Anderson) is 4-5 vs Kentucky (John Calapari) could you atleast have some sort of point of reference rather than blabbering out  "we need a coach who can beat Kentucky"

That's the best win/loss record in the SEC, ACC, BIG10, etc.. vs the Kentucky Wildcats the past 5 seasons Westcoasthog....

a sub .500 record against an opponent, and mediocre regular seasons are nothing to gloat about.

Hogimus Prime

4 like a Derek Hood or Nick Davis that can rebound when MK goes to block a shot or gets caught on a pick. 

Dominicanhog

Quote from: Hogs958 on January 08, 2017, 12:05:24 am
a sub .500 record against an opponent, and mediocre regular seasons are nothing to gloat about.

You post like a 12 year old...

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Quote from: Dominicanhog on January 08, 2017, 06:27:06 am
You post like a 12 year old...

Hey now...he offered to buy me a beer at the Miss. State game in Bud Walton Arena Tuesday night. Guess he's such a regular at BWA they allow him to buy beer.
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Little Lady Back

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on January 08, 2017, 12:00:26 am
Arkansas (Mike Anderson) is 4-5 vs Kentucky (John Calapari) could you atleast have some sort of point of reference rather than blabbering out  "we need a coach who can beat Kentucky"

That's the best win/loss record in the SEC, ACC, BIG10, etc.. vs the Kentucky Wildcats the past 5 seasons Westcoasthog....

This.
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Little Lady Back

Quote from: Hogs958 on January 08, 2017, 12:05:24 am
a sub .500 record against an opponent, and mediocre regular seasons are nothing to gloat about.

He wasn't gloating, just stating facts!
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Dominicanhog

Quote from: Little Lady Back on January 08, 2017, 06:52:42 am
He wasn't gloating, just stating facts!

oh! those pesky facts... but back to the OP

IMO the 4 is what is missing from this team.. it would have been the biggest help a year ago and we've still not gotten the production from that position... Mike's trying to get some offense from Cook but no rebounding..... I saw a post that he played TT with MK last night searching for some help at that position, I'm sure ,... A Coty Clarke would do wonders for us.. a 10 and 8 guy would make us so much more balanced...

another Jabril would help as well..




Little Lady Back

Quote from: Dominicanhog on January 08, 2017, 07:39:03 am
oh! those pesky facts... but back to the OP

IMO the 4 is what is missing from this team.. it would have been the biggest help a year ago and we've still not gotten the production from that position... Mike's trying to get some offense from Cook but no rebounding..... I saw a post that he played TT with MK last night searching for some help at that position, I'm sure ,... A Coty Clarke would do wonders for us.. a 10 and 8 guy would make us so much more balanced...

another Jabril would help as well..

I agree with you, Dominicanhog.
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HawgHeadCheese

Quote from: snoot hoggy hog on January 07, 2017, 10:13:59 pm
Hannahs and Macon gotta let it fly and stop pump faking. You can pump fake yourself out of a shot sometimes and they did that a lot tonight. If you're scared go to church.

I was saying the same all night. Macon and Hannahs so afraid of taking the wrong shot that they missed a lot of open looks. The only thing I think this team is missing is last years Dusty Hannahs 3 pt shot. I think Dusty should be limited tospot up shooting. This yr we have enough guards who can penetrate. If Dusty is making those 3s it spread the defense that much more.

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Quote from: Little Lady Back on January 08, 2017, 06:52:42 am
He wasn't gloating, just stating facts!

Those pesky facts argue we're more successful against an elite program than most.
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Quote from: snoot hoggy hog on January 07, 2017, 09:28:39 pm
Day and or Thurman and or Joe Johnson would kill this Kentucky team

It's been 25, 22, and 16 years since we had players like that.  No disrespect to Portis or Brewer.

cableguy

Quote from: Carl Lazlo on January 07, 2017, 09:42:45 pm
Mike put a 6'6" jump shooter in the game with :21 left in the 2nd half.
Exactly, CJ Jones should get more playing time instead of allowing him to rot on the bench. I don't know why on every level of sports coaches have their favorites and  they don't play the best players. This team is missing a solid point guard and good refs. CMA needs to call the commissioner gain or the refs will cost them a game or two. This team should make the tournament .

OnTheHillHogFan

We need one more shooter. Right now we have Macon and Hannahs.


If Hannahs can start shooting a little better that will help us a lot in the second half of the season. Maybe last year was an anomaly because at Tech he was a 37% 3 point shooter and last year he was at 43.3 and this year he is at 35%. If he can get that to 40% that might win us a road game or two.
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Bobby Portis!

This would have been his SR year. If you add a NBA caliber player to this squad they are a Sweet 16 team capable of making a run.  Kingsley is good and has his moments, but he isn't Portis and it is starting to look questionable if he'll even get drafted.

 

JenksHawg

Quote from: forrest city joe on January 07, 2017, 09:31:24 pm
Nothing is missing. they are just playing a better team tonight that has way more talent. i think for the most part we look good tonight.GO HOGS.

What part looked good exactly?  That we can't hit a mid range jumpshot?  That we have zero skilled forwards? That we can't defend? That our favorite shot are "floaters" in the lane that we make about 25% of? That Beard's gained 20 pounds and is 1/3rd the player he was 2 years ago but still gets minutes because we have no better options at PG?  I didn't see anything in that game that said "we look good tonight".

Rawker

Quote from: ErieHog on January 07, 2017, 08:58:29 pm
One jump shooter, preferably in the 6'6-6'8 range.

This team isn't missing much- they're a tournament worthy team.   They just don't quite have the horses yet-- when you have to give minutes to Hannah to get people to respect your shooting, its going to have negative impacts elsewhere.

That's close, but I say this team is one 6-7" to 6-9" tough guy who can hit some shots away from being a top 15 team.  I mean, even one Cody Clarke or one Alandis would get us into the tourney, but someone slightly more dominant would have us in very comfortable position and in danger of beating a team like Florida.  Just one guy like that.  This team is gradually putting together some very good moments, and there's not some huge systemic issue that's keeping them down - their defense is WAY better than earlier in the season, and the rebounding, which isn't as bad against opponents who are not KY and FL as people want to think, would be helped by that ONE player I'm talking about.  In my honest opinion, I think if anything's keeping them down it's thinking that Moses is good enough to carry more weight than an off-the-bench big man should be expected to do.  He has his moments, but they are the moments of a 6th or 7th man, not THE go-to post player.  If we had a tough 6-8" player who could be counted on for big layups and tough defense (Moses was punk'd several times both offensively and defensively against TN's Williams, who is like 6'-5") we'd be looking very sweet.  Ya know....a guy like Reggie Perry.

Jonteviosk

Quote from: Hogs958 on January 08, 2017, 12:05:24 am
a sub .500 record against an opponent, and mediocre regular seasons are nothing to gloat about.

12-3 isn't mediocre your freaking moron
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Quote from: JenksHawg on January 09, 2017, 12:07:49 am
What part looked good exactly?  That we can't hit a mid range jumpshot?  That we have zero skilled forwards? That we can't defend? That our favorite shot are "floaters" in the lane that we make about 25% of? That Beard's gained 20 pounds and is 1/3rd the player he was 2 years ago but still gets minutes because we have no better options at PG?  I didn't see anything in that game that said "we look good tonight".


Awwwwww are we mad cause we lost one game even though were 12-3. Would you like a hanky so you could continue to whine like a lil bitch. GO AWAY its your bed time now mommy will be in to tuck you in.
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Quote from: snoot hoggy hog on January 07, 2017, 08:31:37 pm
Every good Arkansas team has had that signature swingman on it. That's what missing from this team. Hopefully the new recruits can cure this.

We have lost three low class blue chippers from the state before Mike could dig his heels in. We are now getting them all. The next few years we can see what we would have had with Goodwin, Allen and Monk on board. The great ones will be here for the next three years and all you Never Mike Negative Nancy's will learn what Hillary and the Never Trumpers are having to live with.

hogsanity

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on January 08, 2017, 12:00:26 am
Arkansas (Mike Anderson) is 4-5 vs Kentucky (John Calapari) could you atleast have some sort of point of reference rather than blabbering out  "we need a coach who can beat Kentucky"

That's the best win/loss record in the SEC, ACC, BIG10, etc.. vs the Kentucky Wildcats the past 5 seasons Westcoasthog....

So, that would be like if a football coach was 4-1 against Bama, but still went 5-7 every year.

It was like the season where the Hogs beat KY, TWICE, yet could not even get a split against a pathetic Bama and a putrid SC team to make the ncaat. What good did beating KY do them?

Now, as I said in another thread, that game Sat night did nothing to hurt the Hogs chance of making the ncaat this year because everyone had it penciled in for a loss. What will hurt the Hogs  chances of making the ncaat would be losing at home to a Mizzu or a MSU, gotta have those games.
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Letsroll1200

We need Dusty Hannah to play his game and find his 3 point shot. I was very impressed by Kingsley against Kentucky because he actually dunked the ball around the rim. We need to play Kingsley and Thompson/Cook more because Thomas has regressed. Thomas is struggling to finish through contact and rebounding the basketball.

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ErieHog

Quote from: Rawker on January 09, 2017, 01:25:34 am
That's close, but I say this team is one 6-7" to 6-9" tough guy who can hit some shots away from being a top 15 team.  I mean, even one Cody Clarke or one Alandis would get us into the tourney, but someone slightly more dominant would have us in very comfortable position and in danger of beating a team like Florida.  Just one guy like that.  This team is gradually putting together some very good moments, and there's not some huge systemic issue that's keeping them down - their defense is WAY better than earlier in the season, and the rebounding, which isn't as bad against opponents who are not KY and FL as people want to think, would be helped by that ONE player I'm talking about.  In my honest opinion, I think if anything's keeping them down it's thinking that Moses is good enough to carry more weight than an off-the-bench big man should be expected to do.  He has his moments, but they are the moments of a 6th or 7th man, not THE go-to post player.  If we had a tough 6-8" player who could be counted on for big layups and tough defense (Moses was punk'd several times both offensively and defensively against TN's Williams, who is like 6'-5") we'd be looking very sweet.  Ya know....a guy like Reggie Perry.

Barring collapse, this is already a tournament team.
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Eris is right. The committee likes blue blood programs...All Arkansas has to do is stay out of their own way.
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How about this? Ted Kapita (who we signed but didn't qualify), Malik Monk (who we did all we could to sign but didn't get), and KeVaughn Allen (who grew up in a time when we were down and Florida was up and never intended to be a hog).

If you put those three on this years team, I believe that a vast majority of the deficiencies we see at times are corrected, the depth is even deeper, the defense is meaner, transitions are faster and more often, and we are possibly undefeated at this time?

Big Nasty 34

Quote from: ErieHog on January 07, 2017, 09:21:06 pm
The offense works like any other 4 and one motion offense;  overall, its reasonably effective--  borderline Top 30/Top 40, which is pretty salty.

I would say the biggest complaint is the overall efficiency of the offense, especially on the road. IMO we're not very disciplined at times leading to scoring droughts. The two big issues are spacing, especially when we try to run a pick and roll and we have guys out of position to create good scoring opportunities. Also, lack of movement- the very essence of a motion offense. Our off the ball movement gets very stagnant at times.

Again, just overall discipline and movement could make this group very deadly in the halfcourt.

FineAsSwine

Quote from: limousin on January 10, 2017, 07:01:03 am
How about this? Ted Kapita (who we signed but didn't qualify), Malik Monk (who we did all we could to sign but didn't get), and KeVaughn Allen (who grew up in a time when we were down and Florida was up and never intended to be a ho
If you put those three on this years team, I believe that a vast majority of the deficiencies we see at times are corrected, the depth is even deeper, the defense is meaner, transitions are faster and more often, and we are possibly undefeated at this time?

We need a really quick and I mean cat quick guard to stay in front of guys like Kasey Hill who hurt us off the dribble in the Florida loss or Fox who ran through us straight to the hoop in the last game. Neither Monk nor Allen would be able to guard those guys in tight man to man, one on one situations.

Based on his numbers at NC State,  Kapita would not have helped us beat KY or 'FL and also because it was guard play that lost both of those games.

We need a defensive guard with elite quickness, toughness and a nose for the ball. I thought Macon would be that guy and maybe he will eventually grow into that role.

Letsroll1200

Quote from: FineAsSwine on January 10, 2017, 09:28:27 am
We need a really quick and I mean cat quick guard to stay in front of guys like Kasey Hill who hurt us off the dribble in the Florida loss or Fox who ran through us straight to the hoop in the last game. Neither Monk nor Allen would be able to guard those guys in tight man to man, one on one situations.

Based on his numbers at NC State,  Kapita would not have helped us beat KY or 'FL and also because it was guard play that lost both of those games.

We need a defensive guard with elite quickness, toughness and a nose for the ball. I thought Macon would be that guy and maybe he will eventually grow into that role.

Any team that has a quick guard that can get in the lane is going to give us problems. That's why IJ ready concerns me because he does not turn the ball over against Arkansas. They have some young guards that hopefully we can cause some problems with quick shots and pressure. We need the Bud to rock. How will the guys respond after a tough game at Kentucky?

FineAsSwine

Quote from: Letsroll1200 on January 10, 2017, 10:08:04 am
Any team that has a quick guard that can get in the lane is going to give us problems. That's why IJ ready concerns me because he does not turn the ball over against Arkansas. They have some young guards that hopefully we can cause some problems with quick shots and pressure. We need the Bud to rock. How will the guys respond after a tough game at Kentucky?

Robert Sheppard would be perfect for this team.

Corkscrew Johnson

This team needs someone who intimidates the other team.  Who can steal the ball and run down the floor and rock the rim.  Energize the team.  Refuse to give up rebounds.  Win every ball that hits the ground.  This team needs Darrell Hawkins. 

This team is like an old lawnmower.  Every time I think they are about to fire up and kick some ass, our motor shuts off and we have to try again.

Well, that plus a real PG.     

ErieHog

Quote from: Big Nasty 34 on January 10, 2017, 09:03:14 am
I would say the biggest complaint is the overall efficiency of the offense, especially on the road. IMO we're not very disciplined at times leading to scoring droughts. The two big issues are spacing, especially when we try to run a pick and roll and we have guys out of position to create good scoring opportunities. Also, lack of movement- the very essence of a motion offense. Our off the ball movement gets very stagnant at times.

Again, just overall discipline and movement could make this group very deadly in the halfcourt.

How is it inefficient, though?   Its a top 35ish offense!  In a nation where it's compared to about 350 teams!     THat puts you in the top 10% of college basketball in offensive efficiency.

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hog.goblin

Quote from: FineAsSwine on January 10, 2017, 12:28:59 pm
Robert Sheppard would be perfect for this team.

This or this

Quote from: Corkscrew Johnson on January 10, 2017, 12:34:56 pm
This team needs Darrell Hawkins. 


And perhaps a Roosevelt Wallace just to knock the piss out of someone