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TXrazorback

April 07, 2015, 03:08:05 pm
Quote from: Hawg Balling on December 04, 2012, 03:59:08 pm
According to Hogville, fantasy offense and passing 80 times a game wins championships.

jry04

April 07, 2015, 03:10:03 pm #1
They are assuming Portis, and/or Qualls will leave. You can bet if both return we are going to be top 15.
 

TXrazorback

April 07, 2015, 03:13:59 pm #2
Quote from: jry04 on April 07, 2015, 03:10:03 pm
They are assuming Portis, and/or Qualls will leave. You can bet if both return we are going to be top 15.

Right, but they are also assuming Kentucky at number 1 when their coach just stated they were losing 5-7 players...so they (ESPN) is using selective logic. 

Jimmy Whitt will be a difference maker next I believe.  If Portis and Qualls come back it could be scary.
Quote from: Hawg Balling on December 04, 2012, 03:59:08 pm
According to Hogville, fantasy offense and passing 80 times a game wins championships.

jry04

April 07, 2015, 03:24:20 pm #3
Quote from: TXrazorback on April 07, 2015, 03:13:59 pm
Right, but they are also assuming Kentucky at number 1 when their coach just stated they were losing 5-7 players...so they (ESPN) is using selective logic. 

Jimmy Whitt will be a difference maker next I believe.  If Portis and Qualls come back it could be scary.
Not really. They know those guys are leaving, and mentioned it in the article. UK has been to 4 of the last 5 Final Fours under Cal. They are giving them the benefit of the doubt. Even though they will be losing a lot, they will still return 2 or 3 players who could start almost anywhere in the country, while bringing in the #1 class in the country. When it is all said and done, they will probably end up with 5 top 20 recruits, with 2 or 3 being top 5 recruits. If we return Portis and Qualls, we will have a very good shot to beat them in BWA, but UK is still going to be top 5 talent wise.

1hogfan

April 07, 2015, 03:46:41 pm #4
That makes me sick. I believe Duke is #1 for at least a while. They just proved that last night. The press has totally turned me against Kentucky. Of course, their fans helped.

jry04

April 07, 2015, 03:54:55 pm #5
Quote from: 1hogfan on April 07, 2015, 03:46:41 pm
That makes me sick. I believe Duke is #1 for at least a while. They just proved that last night. The press has totally turned me against Kentucky. Of course, their fans helped.
Duke will be good, but not near as good as half those teams listed in the top 10. Duke will likely be the 3rd best team in their own conference. They will likely lose 4 starters from a team that only has 8 scholarship players. I wouldn't argue with them being a top 10 team, but they will not be top 5.


I do not agree with their assessment of Arizona, either. They have a player transferring to LSU, plus will probably have to replace all 5 of their starters. They will be somewhere in the 20-25 range next season.

GolfNut57

April 07, 2015, 06:24:41 pm #6
Quote from: jry04 on April 07, 2015, 03:54:55 pm
Duke will be good, but not near as good as half those teams listed in the top 10. Duke will likely be the 3rd best team in their own conference. They will likely lose 4 starters from a team that only has 8 scholarship players. I wouldn't argue with them being a top 10 team, but they will not be top 5.


I do not agree with their assessment of Arizona, either. They have a player transferring to LSU, plus will probably have to replace all 5 of theidr starters. They will be somewhere in the 20-25 range next season.

The only player I see leaving early is Okafor. And IMO he should stay another year. I don't think he is quite ready for the NBA yet. Add in Cook who is a SR this year and Duke only loses two starters.
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Cowtown Hog

April 07, 2015, 06:53:11 pm #7
USAToday early poll places hogs at 15 and indicates if portis returns will be a "national threat."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/04/07/early-2015-16-top-25-college-basketball-kentucky-north-carolina/70758552/

rude1

April 07, 2015, 06:58:57 pm #8
Quote from: GolfNut57 on April 07, 2015, 06:24:41 pm
The only player I see leaving early is Okafor. And IMO he should stay another year. I don't think he is quite ready for the NBA yet. Add in Cook who is a SR this year and Duke only loses two starters.
Okafor is a consensus top 5 pick and No.1 pick on most everyone's board, he should go. I agree his game isn't NBA ready yet but when you are being talked about as the first overall pick in the draft there is no where to go but down if you come back.

jry04

April 07, 2015, 08:50:43 pm #9
Quote from: GolfNut57 on April 07, 2015, 06:24:41 pm
The only player I see leaving early is Okafor. And IMO he should stay another year. I don't think he is quite ready for the NBA yet. Add in Cook who is a SR this year and Duke only loses two starters.
That is your opinion. Justise Winslow is a top 10, possibly top 5 pick. He is gone. Tyus Jones is the only one who may return of the big 3, and hes projected a top 20 pick. Today, there has even been talk of Grayson Allen going pro. Supposedly people in the NBA have jumped him into the 1st round if he should decide to leave.

popcornhog

April 07, 2015, 09:10:09 pm #10
Quote from: TXrazorback on April 07, 2015, 03:13:59 pm
Right, but they are also assuming Kentucky at number 1 when their coach just stated they were losing 5-7 players...so they (ESPN) is using selective logic. 

Jimmy Whitt will be a difference maker next I believe.  If Portis and Qualls come back it could be scary.

Kentucky reloads though. If 7 leave, they'll probably drop a few spots though in the actual polls.

We'll come in around 10-12 if Portis and Qualls return.
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Danny J

April 07, 2015, 09:31:28 pm #11
Quote from: popcornhog on April 07, 2015, 09:10:09 pm
Kentucky reloads though. If 7 leave, they'll probably drop a few spots though in the actual polls.

We'll come in around 10-12 if Portis and Qualls return.
I agree....top 15 for sure 100% guaranteed in almost every pre-season poll if they both return. No doubt in my mind. None. Zero.

ErieHog

April 07, 2015, 09:54:26 pm #12
Quote from: GolfNut57 on April 07, 2015, 06:24:41 pm
The only player I see leaving early is Okafor. And IMO he should stay another year. I don't think he is quite ready for the NBA yet. Add in Cook who is a SR this year and Duke only loses two starters.

Winslow is gone as well;  he's rocketing up draft boards, and could easily end up being a Top 3 pick.

The amount of raw talent leaving college basketball for the pro ranks this season is very impressive.
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BadHog

April 07, 2015, 10:20:47 pm #13
Quote from: 1hogfan on April 07, 2015, 03:46:41 pm
That makes me sick. I believe Duke is #1 for at least a while. They just proved that last night. The press has totally turned me against Kentucky. Of course, their fans helped.

Exactly!
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Beaverfever

April 09, 2015, 06:45:22 pm #14
Without Portis I wouldn't rank us anywhere near the top 25.  We were a borderline top 25 team with him this year.  Idk what the plan is next year if he's gone.  I would imagine a more guard-oriented lineup with the addition of Whitt and hannahs.

PORKULATOR

April 09, 2015, 06:50:40 pm #15
Borderline top 25? Really?!?!?
You should medicate that fever and maybe Basketball will start making since to you.
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Beaverfever

April 09, 2015, 08:28:08 pm #16
Quote from: PORKULATOR on April 09, 2015, 06:50:40 pm
Borderline top 25? Really?!?!?
You should medicate that fever and maybe Basketball will start making since to you.
that's exactly what we were all year.  We lost decisively to all teams in the top 20 we played all year.  Iowa state and NC were both top 10-20 teams and they were clearly better than us.  We lost in the round of 32.  It was a good year but I mean it wasn't a legendary hog team, not even a 'very good' one.  We were one of the better filler teams outside of the truly elite teams.

jry04

April 09, 2015, 09:15:07 pm #17
Quote from: Beaverfever on April 09, 2015, 08:28:08 pm
that's exactly what we were all year.  We lost decisively to all teams in the top 20 we played all year.  Iowa state and NC were both top 10-20 teams and they were clearly better than us.  We lost in the round of 32.  It was a good year but I mean it wasn't a legendary hog team, not even a 'very good' one.  We were one of the better filler teams outside of the truly elite teams.
We finished the last few weeks in the top 25 and finished 20th. We were a top 25 team.
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