What are your thoughts on Qualls and Portis...

[ErieHog]

This is why he should stay IMO, and if he made as much improvement in his game as he did last year he would become a lottery. 44 in red last night is who he needs to become.

He's a borderline lottery pick already, with a well defined draft ceiling, no matter how long he stays.    When it comes to basketball, it would be foolish to remain;  the only reasons to stay are not related to money or his basketball future.

[Hogberry Snortcake]

They have to do what they have to do.  Good luck to great Hogs.  I'd personally really like to see how good they could be next year though. 

[HawgnCorona]

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/7/8354255/nba-draft-2015-rankings-karl-towns-justise-winslow

Bobby is at 13th...according to SB Nation. "...with few noteable weaknesses."

[TexArkHogFan]

Saw two way too early basketball rankings for next year and the Hogs weren't ranked in either one of them.  Guess they figure they ain't coming back either. 

[jry04]

Saw two way too early basketball rankings for next year and the Hogs weren't ranked in either one of them.  Guess they figure they ain't coming back either. 

Yeah, that is what they are guessing. Rothstein and Parrish of CBS both released theirs, so I am assuming that is what you are referring to. Both said they figure Portis is gone. I think with 1 of the 2 we have potential to be a borderline top 25 team, depending on which players develop and how the freshmen play coming in. Lose both, and we will likely be a middle of the pack NIT team.

[Wildhog]

Does anybody have class with them?  If they're still going to class, that'd be a good sign, one would think.

[jry04]

Does anybody have class with them?  If they're still going to class, that'd be a good sign, one would think.

I saw Razorback basketball tweeted a photo that said something along the lines of being back to work. It had the team working out together in the weight room, and Qualls and Portis were both there. That doesn't mean anything, though.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

As far as money goes, waiting a year could actually pay dividends.  Their will be an influx of new money, not in the 2015-2016 but 2016-2017 season.  The union also voted against smoothing which means cap will jump all at once.  First season increase in cap money is projected at $20 mil or more per team.  For a guy in the 10-13 range it could mean +$3 million or more over the 4 year contract. Still means you wait an extra year til contract number 2 which is where big money kicks in if you are good or even decent.  Whether he goes this year or next their will most likely be a new CBA before that first contract is up anyway.

[bigred223]

Well Bobby is still going to class if anyone was wondering.

[ErieHog]

As far as money goes, waiting a year could actually pay dividends.  Their will be an influx of new money, not in the 2015-2016 but 2016-2017 season.  The union also voted against smoothing which means cap will jump all at once.  First season increase in cap money is projected at $20 mil or more per team.  For a guy in the 10-13 range it could mean +$3 million or more over the 4 year contract. Still means you wait an extra year til contract number 2 which is where big money kicks in if you are good or even decent.  Whether he goes this year or next their will most likely be a new CBA before that first contract is up anyway.

Actually, waiting a year makes significantly *less* sense, because of that.     You don't want markets to work towards equilibrium for an additional season,  with the new money.     Salary cap spikes coincide with  spikes in contract values, and general overpayment.

[latrops]

As far as money goes, waiting a year could actually pay dividends.  Their will be an influx of new money, not in the 2015-2016 but 2016-2017 season.  The union also voted against smoothing which means cap will jump all at once.  First season increase in cap money is projected at $20 mil or more per team.  For a guy in the 10-13 range it could mean +$3 million or more over the 4 year contract. Still means you wait an extra year til contract number 2 which is where big money kicks in if you are good or even decent.  Whether he goes this year or next their will most likely be a new CBA before that first contract is up anyway.

Thanks for adding that.  Every time Portis' future is discussed, posters reference the "big money 2nd contract" as though it is a given.  It is not.  That big 2nd contract has to be earned with solid or better play against NBA competition.  Plenty of 1st rd picks don't wind up with large 2nd contracts in the NBA.

[Hogberry Snortcake]

Well Bobby is still going to class if anyone was wondering.

We were.  Thanks

[40MINSOFHELL]

Well Bobby is still going to class if anyone was wondering.

They both are working out with the team as well.

[Pancetta]

Have either of them given a time when they will let the public know? I giees worst case is the April 14 deadline.

[dhornjr1]

The most respected draft website, NBA Draft Express, has Portis going 18th to the Oklahoma City Thunder with a salary of $1.37 million.

Durant, Westbrook and a million bucks? Sign me up.

[Sharky]

As far as money goes, waiting a year could actually pay dividends.  Their will be an influx of new money, not in the 2015-2016 but 2016-2017 season.  The union also voted against smoothing which means cap will jump all at once.  First season increase in cap money is projected at $20 mil or more per team.  For a guy in the 10-13 range it could mean +$3 million or more over the 4 year contract. Still means you wait an extra year til contract number 2 which is where big money kicks in if you are good or even decent.  Whether he goes this year or next their will most likely be a new CBA before that first contract is up anyway.

Please stop with the bad math. There is no financial reason for Portis to stay.

By staying, Portis would lose a year off his NBA development and a year off his net NBA earnings, which will likely be average out to around $5-8 million per year. If you are good, the team options you, and you don't get into big money until after year 4. Portis just loses a year off his peak career earnings, which given the likely length of his career, would be nearly 10% of his primary life earnings.

[intelligence]

The most respected draft website, NBA Draft Express, has Portis going 18th to the Oklahoma City Thunder with a salary of $1.37 million.

Durant, Westbrook and a million bucks? Sign me up.

No darn. what with the other talented players they have, its a  no brainer

[reddogjcss]

Hope they stay!
If they go I supoort their decision fully. Two great Razorbacks and even better people.

[Danny J]

Please stop with the bad math. There is no financial reason for Portis to stay.

By staying, Portis would lose a year off his NBA development and a year off his net NBA earnings, which will likely be average out to around $5-8 million per year. If you are good, the team options you, and you don't get into big money until after year 4. Portis just loses a year off his peak career earnings, which given the likely length of his career, would be nearly 10% of his primary life earnings.

What happens if there is no second contract? Is there some sort of guarantee I am unaware of? He may only get one contract.

[GatorHog]

What happens if he gets injured playing in college

[PonderinHog]

What happens if he gets injured playing in college

He goes pro in another field.

[Danny J]

What happens if he gets injured playing in college

True....he may get injured next year if he comes back no doubt but that goes to my point I made in another thread, maybe it was this one I can't remember, but how is it ok to look four years into the future discussing long term and second contracts while at the same time talking about possibly getting injured next year? There may not be a second contract 3 or 4 years down the road just like he may get injured if he comes back to school one more year. Just don't know what the future holds.

[ErieHog]

What happens if there is no second contract? Is there some sort of guarantee I am unaware of? He may only get one contract.

If there is no second contract, then he's got millions in earnings already in-pocket, and the easy option of returning to get a degree.

Let's also not pretend that not getting a second contract is that common for a 1st rounder;  8 of the 30 guys from the 2011 draft had *multi-year* extensions, rather than team options for season 4, when the deadline for multi year extensions passed on Halloween.      One isn't eligible because of playing overseas, and only one is out of basketball, mostly by their own choice (Vesely), and one other is in the D-League.

Everyone else is likely to get a 2nd contract.