Florida Gators to Target Mike Norvell

[Cinco de Hogo]

HDN doesn't appeal to me.

Florida wants HDN?  That's news to me.

By the way in the end it won't matter because if Arkansas did beat them for a coach they would claim they didn't want that coach anyway.

[hog.goblin]

Mid season, for cause - that cause LYING TO THE AD. Imagine that.

Do we know that he lied?  Or did he just not keep any proof/substantiation?  The first is possible cause.  The latter is not.  Either way I think it's a petty reason to avoid the buyout.  These coaches and their agents are going to adapt to prevent buyouts from being voided on technicalities or debatable points.

[hog.goblin]

Florida wants HDN?  That's news to me.

By the way in the end it won't matter because if Arkansas did beat them for a coach they would claim they didn't want that coach anyway.

He'll withdraw his name just before it gets narrowed down to the top 3/5

[ricepig]

He'll withdraw his name just before it gets narrowed down to the top 3/5

?
Did you say top 35???

[Steef]

Florida wants HDN?  That's news to me.

Actually... YOU said....

Someone WANTS to be the next Razorback coach.

At which point I said...

HDN doesn't appeal to me.

[hog.goblin]

?
Did you say top 35???

It's been HDNs pattern to say he is a candidate for a job and then withdrawing his name just as a list of top 5 or top 3 names are released.  Of course he was never even considered

[LZH]

TV down here says they're stuck with Mac for another year.

[jkstock04]

In the scenario Florida hired him and we stuck with Bielema I would be absolutely miserable over it.

[jkstock04]

It's the same way at the end of every season.  May not be as many high profile jobs, but the turnover is real, with high profile jobs sprinkled in every season.

Exactly right. This argument gets old...the coaching carousel is a real deal and happens every year. This idea that if we just hold out and wait another year it'll be better is false.

[COACHINTEXAS]

I wouldn't even go after him, not impressed at all. I don't know what you guys see in him!

[ricepig]

It's been HDNs pattern to say he is a candidate for a job and then withdrawing his name just as a list of top 5 or top 3 names are released.  Of course he was never even considered

Yeah I know, but that was at places like UConn, New Nexico, Pulaski Tech, not Florida, haha. He can always blame the BlackBearLandsharts........

[Con el Cerdos]

Why would he not go to Nebraska

The love may be there for him and Nebraska, but he could be much more successful recruiting at Fla and win more consistently, as well.

Nebraska's recruiting has really suffered, comparatively speaking, since moving to the Big 10.  Of course the competition has also gotten better.

[regi]

Smoke screen.  Strickland will hire a guy he trusts and believes in.  Dan Mullen will be the next Florida HC.  Book it

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/924663104721620994

[hawganatic]

So Florida is going to fire a coach after 2 1/2 seasons and going to back to back SEC Championship games.  Not only are they going to fire a coach after that short of time frame, they are going to fire him "with cause" and not pay him the 12.5 mill they owe, over what everybody knows is a BS reason.

Does anybody really think FL is going to be an attractive job after this debacle?

[King Kong]

So Florida is going to fire a coach after 2 1/2 seasons and going to back to back SEC Championship games.  Not only are they going to fire a coach after that short of time frame, they are going to fire him "with cause" and not pay him the 12.5 mill they owe, over what everybody knows is a BS reason.

Does anybody really think FL is going to be an attractive job after this debacle?

Yes

[Pancetta]

Florida will never get out of the buyout. He never even said HIS family received death threats, he said  that coaches families receive death threats. The best they can hope for is he will reduce their buyout by taking a head job for $1-2 million somewhere else.

[King Kong]

Smoke screen.  Strickland will hire a guy he trusts and believes in.  Dan Mullen will be the next Florida HC.  Book it

Would a great hire for them and I'm ready for Miss State to go back to an easy win each year

[hawganatic]

Yes

mmmkay, how?  Coaches aren't flocking to the SEC right now.  The pressure to win is 10x what it is in most other conferences and the buyout in the contract is their safeguard against a school having a "quick trigger."  Georgia is starting to look like they are going to be the Bama equivalent in the East under Kirby Smart.  FL wants to fire their coach under three seasons, and not pay him what they promised in the contract if they did that.

Explain how that is an attractive situation?

[Cinco de Hogo]

Actually... YOU said....



At which point I said...

At which point you made an erroneous conclusion.

[Steef]

At which point you made an erroneous conclusion.

Or a joke.

[ricepig]

Or a joke.

Was that a jet swooshing overhead?

[duckman]

It's the same way at the end of every season.  May not be as many high profile jobs, but the turnover is real, with high profile jobs sprinkled in every season.

Exactly right. This argument gets old...the coaching carousel is a real deal and happens every year. This idea that if we just hold out and wait another year it'll be better is false.

Let me clarify, I want BB gone this year, period.  That said, this year there are potentially more QUALITY jobs coming open than normal.  These jobs also happen to be mostly in the SEC.  This year's search could be a Mongolian Cluster F*** and we better be prepared to take a gamble on an unproven coach or step up to the plate and outbid some competitors for a proven coach.  The scary part of all of this is Jeff Long could still be making this hire, let that sink in.... 

As I said in my initial post, this is a bad year to be looking for a coach....

[Cinco de Hogo]

Or a joke.

Maybe, HDN is a joke and is a running joke connected to countless jobs.  However I seriously doubt you were totally joking in your hidden agenda.  Too much post history.

[BR]

http://footballscoop.com/news/jim-mcelwain-florida-parting-ways/

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Florida may not be the great job some seem to think it is. Pay is not that much more than anywhere else in today's world and the pressure to win is worse than most other places. It's also becoming more apparent that not just anyone can just step in and start winning. I do think Petrino would fit in well there. 

[Redhogs]

Will be a big meltdown on here if they scoop him up soon

And there should be!

[Steef]

Maybe, HDN is a joke and is a running joke connected to countless jobs.  However I seriously doubt you were totally joking in your hidden agenda.  Too much post history.

My post history screams that I cant stand HDN.

HIS...history screams he will never work for us again.  So yeah, it wss a joke.

You were hinting you had inside info. But of course, you cant tell anyone...because its super secret.

But you still wanted everyone to know you knew.

So I made a joke to point out how silly your super secret post was.  THAT was my agenda.

It worked, too.

I dont have any other agenda for you. I don't know you well enough to have an agenda. Or care.

[IronHog]

So Florida is going to fire a coach after 2 1/2 seasons and going to back to back SEC Championship games.  Not only are they going to fire a coach after that short of time frame, they are going to fire him "with cause" and not pay him the 12.5 mill they owe, over what everybody knows is a BS reason.

Does anybody really think FL is going to be an attractive job after this debacle?

No

[Matt Burks]

That's just an excuse. He's being fired because he's LOSING.

This is his first year losing. He took them to the SEC Championship game in year 1 and 2.

[hawgon]

If Florida was as good a job as some think it is, they wouldn't be about to hire their third coach in about six years. 

Unless your name is Nick Saban, you are going to get four to five million at any Big 5 school for the most part.  At Florida, one 8-5 season gets you on the hot seat.  Gainesville is a craphole.  And so on and so forth. 

I wouldn't automatically assume that if Florida wants a guy, that they get him over Arkansas.  There are lots of factors.

All that said, Arkansas needs to have an opening and if they have an eye on someone, they need to move.

[Inhogswetrust]

I want BB gone, but with all of the jobs that are opening up this is a horrible situation for Arkansas to be in.  Hiring a coach after this season is going to be a massive crap shoot....

Hiring a coach anywhere is always a crap shoot.

[hawgon]

Hiring a coach anywhere is always a crap shoot.

Yeah, no need to let fear get in the way of what needs to be done.  We actually have a lot to offer and we need to start acting like it.

[Redhogs]

Yeah, no need to let fear get in the way of what needs to be done.  We actually have a lot to offer and we need to start acting like it.

Bingo...it starts at the top.

[IronHog]

Yeah, no need to let fear get in the way of what needs to be done.  We actually have a lot to offer and we need to start acting like it.

Agree.  Hogs not top 5 but it's top 25.


BP called it his "dream job"

[rhames]

Hiring a coach anywhere is always a crap shoot.

And outside of Texas last year they never ever go the way any one expects them to

It's time for w change at Arkansas. It doesn't matter what other schools are doing


I also don't think Norvell would be Florida's first choice but who knows.

[rhames]

Agree.  Hogs not top 5 but it's top 25.


BP called it his "dream job"

The thing is......we will make it anyone's dream job if they bring is success.

[hawgon]

The thing is......we will make it anyone's dream job if they bring is success.

I don't get the thinking with our fanbase and administration.  Saban is worth at least a $100 million dollars to his school.  Now, I doubt any coach is going to be Saban here, but the right coach could add tens of millions of dollars value to this program.

Go out and find him.

[IronHog]

And outside of Texas last year they never ever go the way any one expects them to

It's time for w change at Arkansas. It doesn't matter what other schools are doing


I also don't think Norvell would be Florida's first choice but who knows.

Florida should hire Kiffin

[texas tush hog]

Smoke screen.  Strickland will hire a guy he trusts and believes in.  Dan Mullen will be the next Florida HC.  Book it

I think you may be onto something.

[rhames]

I don't get the thinking with our fanbase and administration.  Saban is worth at least a $100 million dollars to his school.  Now, I doubt any coach is going to be Saban here, but the right coach could add tens of millions of dollars value to this program.

Go out and find him.

The quality of a coach like Saban doesn't even enter my thought process when it comes to our job. There is no one like him.

[hawgon]

The quality of a coach like Saban doesn't even enter my thought process when it comes to our job. There is no one like him.

I agre with that but the point is not to find the next Saban, the point is to find a coach who is good enough to add value to your program.  Saban is merely the most successful example of that.

[LAGNAF]

Do we know that he lied?  Or did he just not keep any proof/substantiation?  The first is possible cause.  The latter is not.  Either way I think it's a petty reason to avoid the buyout.  These coaches and their agents are going to adapt to prevent buyouts from being voided on technicalities or debatable points.

He admitted it. Not sure how an agent negotiates a contract that allows you to lie with national media microphones in your face.

[From Tusk Till Dawn]

In a particular case that's not true but my inside info from my cousin says that Long would have to be fired.  Then Arkansas would beat Florida for a coach.  Someone WANTS to be the next Razorback coach.

Not trying to be argumentative but I cant beleve the AD would sway someone that much?  My alma mater is UA and I would probably take the UF job.  Way bigger upside in the east.

[rhames]

I agre with that but the point is not to find the next Saban, the point is to find a coach who is good enough to add value to your program.  Saban is merely the most successful example of that.

Agreed

[hawgon]

From a business perspective, when not one single person buys a ticket or merchandise because they are excited about a coach and what he brings to the table, that coach has no value to the program and it is time to move on.

Is there anyone who wants to argue that beyond a few friends, family, or insane persons that Bielema will be the reason anyone buys a ticket or merchandise next year?

[jgphillips3]

If Florida is such a great job, why did they get stuck with Muschamp and McElwain back to back?  If Norvell could choose between Florida and Arkansas, I don't think Florida is a slam dunk choice.  Not the way it once was anyway.

[Pig Worshipper]

Florida may not be the great job some seem to think it is. Pay is not that much more than anywhere else in today's world and the pressure to win is worse than most other places. It's also becoming more apparent that not just anyone can just step in and start winning. I do think Petrino would fit in well there.

He's perfect for the Gators. They are dying for an exciting offense again and there are plenty of Harleys and bleach blondes.

[Porkchop#1]

Yeah, no need to let fear get in the way of what needs to be done.  We actually have a lot to offer and we need to start acting like it.

We's just lil' ole Arkiesaw...we's always skeered, fraidy cats.

[Inhogswetrust]

Let me clarify, I want BB gone this year, period.  That said, this year there are potentially more QUALITY jobs coming open than normal.  These jobs also happen to be mostly in the SEC.  This year's search could be a Mongolian Cluster F*** and we better be prepared to take a gamble on an unproven coach or step up to the plate and outbid some competitors for a proven coach.  The scary part of all of this is Jeff Long could still be making this hire, let that sink in.... 

As I said in my initial post, this is a bad year to be looking for a coach....

It's never a good year to look for a coach unless he has had some bad years. There are always numerous openings.