Bobby Portis

[hogsrolling]

Do you think if what he knew now he wished he came back?  And where would he go with another good year??

[ricepig]

Nope

[ErieHog]

Same range-- 10 to 25

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by Portis by returning.   

[lefty08]

No. The NBA frowns on 4 year college American players

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

No

[WarPig88]

Same range-- 10 to 25

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by Portis by returning.

New CBA would have been worth the stay. Almost twice the money for the same slot.

[ErieHog]

New CBA would have been worth the stay. Almost twice the money for the same slot.

The year of earlier contractual freedom that is going to come before the new Cap escalation is completely figured out is worth much more.

[azhog10]

The year of earlier contractual freedom that is going to come before the new Cap escalation is completely figured out is worth much more.

Could be freedom, could be an early exit from the NBA. Always two sides to a coin.

[secfan30]

He went to a good situation

[ErieHog]

He went to a good situation

A rookie coach, with a team that has to rely on a superstar and a 2nd bannana that are both facing injury questions,  with their key 3rd wheel a possible resignee/RFA, and a loaded front court?

There are good teams, and there are good situations.   The Bulls can potentially be a very good team-- but they are far from an ideal situation, unless someone gets lost in that front court shuffle.

[Nuttbashed]

No. The NBA frowns on 4 year college American players

Frank Kaminsky might argue that point with you. I wouldnt say NBA frowns on 4 year players its just the players with draft potential dont wait 4 years to declare.

[popcornhog]

Do you think if what he knew now he wished he came back?  And where would he go with another good year??

No. He went in the first round. He's now making $1.36 million +/-, and he's playing for a contender. He may have moved up a few spots, but so what?

True, he'll have to compete with Gasol, Noah, and Taj, but it'll give him a low pressure opportunity to grow while making a ton of money. Plus, all 3 of those bigs in Chicago are angling and have suffered recent injuries.

[hogfan14]

He's taking quite a beating on some Bulls boards for a tweet saying f*** D rose and the Bulls from 4 years ago lol.

Ironic how that works out but I mean he was only a 16 year old kid at the time.

[onebadrubi]

He's taking quite a beating on some Bulls boards for a tweet saying f*** D rose and the Bulls from 4 years ago lol.

Ironic how that works out but I mean he was only a 16 year old kid at the time.

Well it could be worse, the Lakers could have drafted him and he have a tweet from two years ago cussing Kobe for being a rapist.  That just happened

[-Blu]

There are good teams, and there are good situations.   The Bulls can potentially be a very good team-- but they are far from an ideal situation, unless someone gets lost in that front court shuffle.

This is one of the worst situations Portis could have been put into IMO, already not a fan favorite for apparently tweeting something about Rose a few years ago.  They have very solid front court depth already.  It's going to be a battle just getting in the rotation unless some trades are made.  He'll start out behind Noah, Pau, Gibson, and Mirotic.  Also, he's coming into a team that's expected to win immediately so it's not going to be any let's throw him in and see what he can do moments, they are trying to win now.

I'm really hoping a trade is made, I was surprised the Bulls took him, they need shooters more than anything, RJ Hunter would have made sense at their pick.  The one good thing though is Bobby has a motor and he is relentless if any rookie can come out on top in a situation like this it's Bobby.  Really rooting for the kid, and I'll definitely be adding the Bulls to one of my 5 teams for my league pass, can't wait to watch him in the league.

[-Blu]

Also, here's something else I found when reading a Chicago article talking about Portis.  It had a twitter link to a sports writer from Kansas discussing some of the answers players were giving after their draft interviews.  Apparently Portis was saying his drop was because he played for Arkansas.

Scott Chasen ‏@SChasenKU  3h3 hours ago
Portis basically just said playing at Arkansas was why he was drafted so low. Said people sleep on him/others bc ARK isn't a powerhouse.

Scott Chasen ‏@SChasenKU  3h3 hours ago
I hate that answer from Portis. Absolutely hate it.

I agree with Chasen. Portis really needs to start watching what he says, recruits are seeing things like this, if a diehard Razorback and former player is saying Arkansas is not a good spot to get drafted, what are other recruits to think?  Seems like he got frustrated with his drop and blamed it on going to Arkansas.  Him going to Arkansas has nothing to do with where he was drafted, but more about his limited athleticism, a high motor is only going to get you so far.  He was never going to be a top 10 guy he was always projected as a mid-late first rounder, and that's where he went.  A guy from Murray State was just drafted at #11, and one of the Harrison twins went to Kentucky and went undrafted and 2 years ago was projected as an early first rounder.  Scouts are looking for a certain skill set, the school doesn't matter.

Love Portis and hoping for nothing but the best from him, I'll always be a Portis fan, but he's gotta really start paying attention to some of the things he says, and realize as a star athlete he's always under a microscope.

[MountieDawg]

It's safe to say Bobby Portis would like to have this tweet back:

@DaPrinceJ it don't matter fam!!! Fxck D Rose and tha bulls! #teamHeat over here

— Bobby BP Portis (@BPortistime) May 19, 2011

[lefty08]

A tweet from 2011?  Who cares. Haha

[Iwastherein1969]

playing for Chicago and a coach who has already seen you play up close and personal is a good thing for Bobby...after you get past the lottery picks, what number you get picked in the first round is really of not much consequence....they all are basically locked into X amount of dollars based on their slot in the draft...when they make the BIG BUCKS is the second contract...at that point you have either proven you are NBA material or a scrub...Bobby is no scrub....just give it a few years Bobby, and the paper will start flowing in....go in there and learn the game the first year, earn a lot of playing time in the second and in the third win a starting spot and put up some eye-popping numbers....I guarantee you by that time, the frauds like Willie "I only know how to do back-door pick ally oop dunks" Cauley Stein will either be out of the league because of poor ankles or poor play or both. Hang in there Bobby P., your day will come and this past draft night will be a distant memory

[WilsonHog]

A tweet from 2011?  Who cares. Haha

Bobby actually tweeted about that last night:

"@BPortistime: Bulls Nation sorry for the tweets I sent 4 years ago. I was a boy then. I'm a man now. And a Bull. DRose, Pau, what kinda donuts yall like?"

Judging from the replies by Bulls fans, he gained much respect by owning it.

Outstanding, Bobby. That's how it's done.

[mountainhog]

Where is the tweet to the UofA owning it?

[intelligence]

Where is the tweet to the UofA owning it?

[WilsonHog]

Where is the tweet to the UofA owning it?

Owning what?

[yraciv]

I like the fit. He is on a winning franchise and gets to learn from some great bigs.  The minutes will work themselves out. I think Gibson is out the door soon and Noah/Gasol are going to play 30 minutes a game with 1 likely to get injured.  And I think Hoiberg will treat rookies different than Thibs did. He has seen BP play and knows what he can do on the court.

[intelligence]

Owning what?

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

[WilsonHog]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

Link?

[riccoar]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

He's in the NBA now and earning.  First two are guaranteed dollars, everything beyond that is earned.  He was never in the lottery to start with.  If we are talking a year from now, probably a lottery pick, but he's getting paid now.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

I have watched a few of his interview and I have still yet to hear this.

The only thing I am aware of is the Tweet by Scott Chasen, which doesn't provide a quote

[monstermash]

Same range-- 10 to 25

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by Portis by returning.

[monstermash]

How much will he make this year guaranteed?

[WilsonHog]

How much will he make this year guaranteed?

Erie can better answer your question, but the last numbers I saw were around $1.3 million. Not sure how much of that is guaranteed money.

[Pork Twain]

Only situation that would have been worse for Bobby, might have been Philly, but coming back would not have helped him at all.  It would have helped Qualls a lot, and unfortunately he fell in the same trap as Scottie did.

[k.c.hawg]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

There was no tweet saying that. It was a tweet from a writer for the KU paper saying Portis basically said that. He didn't quote BP. BP has always done a great job repping the Hogs and the state. If he made a misstep in something he said while in the process of experiencing the most nerve wrecking moments of his life, so the hell what. We all know that he didn't mean any harm whatsoever. His immediate future was hanging in the balance and in his thoughts there was probably massive uncertainty and not understanding what the hell was happening. We have seen the green room drama play out time and time again.

As for the Bulls I think it is a good fit. Fred Hoiberg is looking forward to having a big that can run the floor. The Bulls GM said they had a lottery grade on BP and drafted him because he was the best player available. They said it was unanimous among all voices in their organization. Fred had very good things to say and has always loved bigs that can shoot. It should be a good match of coach/player and Fred said he was already looking forward to reminding BP of the butt kicking ISU put on us come Monday morning.

[WilsonHog]

I have watched a few of his interview and I have still yet to hear this.

The only thing I am aware of is the Tweet by Scott Chasen, which doesn't provide a quote

"@SChasenKU: Portis basically just said playing at Arkansas was why he was drafted so low. Said people sleep on him/others bc ARK isn't a powerhouse."

I look with a skeptical eye anytime someone paraphrases (i.e., his use of the word "basically"). Words matter.

[jry04]

He said he fell out of the lottery because he played at Arkansas

Don't believe those were his words at all.


He is a millionaire now, and went ahead of 3 players from UK who were AAs in high school. I wonder what their excuse would be. He was never a lock to be a lottery pick, and was projected 12-24 pretty much the entire time.

[k.c.hawg]

How much will he make this year guaranteed?

The contract should come in with 2 years guaranteed at $2.84m. So about $1.4 a year. The 2 options for years 3 and 4 total $4m. The actual scale is closer to $1.2 for years 1 and 2.... the players can go from 80% of the scale to 120% of the scale. Since the new CBA went into effect it is most usual that the teams go 110% to 120% to get deals done quick. The Bulls have to decide on the year 3 option at the end of BP's first season which imo will be little more than a formality. Then they have to decide on the year 4 option at the end of year 2. If he plays out all 4 years it totals $6.8m.

[PonderinHog]

Don't believe those were his words at all.


He is a millionaire now, and went ahead of 3 players from UK who were AAs in high school. I wonder what their excuse would be. He was never a lock to be a lottery pick, and was projected 12-24 pretty much the entire time.

[hoglady]

The Bulls may not look like a good fit right now, but it could be great for him in the near future.
Noah is in the last year of his contract and playing on a repaired left knee. Gibson had ankle surgery and can't hit the court for about 4 months.
Everyone in the Bulls organization wanted him and seemed absolutely thrilled to get him. So if Portis is the player the Bulls think he is - they will keep him and make it work.

[Hawg Red]

There's been a lot of chatter about the Bulls moving Gasol, Noah or Taj Gibson. Maybe even more than one of them. Mirotic is the golden boy in that frontcourt. They took Bobby simply because he was the guy who dropped to them, but you guys need to sit tight. There could very well be some movement in that frontcourt glut before the season. Gasol's 35, and Noah (declining) and Gibson are 30. Mirotic and Portis could be the future of that frontcourt.

Agree that there are more ideal situations for Bobby, but I'm not ready to write this off as a bad situation just yet.

[Hawg Red]

The Bulls may not look like a good fit right now, but it could be great for him in the near future.
Noah is in the last year of his contract and playing on a repaired left knee. Gibson had ankle surgery and can't hit the court for about 4 months.
Everyone in the Bulls organization wanted him and seemed absolutely thrilled to get him. So if Portis is the player the Bulls think he is - they will keep him and make it work.

Good post.

[hoglady]

Bobby actually tweeted about that last night:

"@BPortistime: Bulls Nation sorry for the tweets I sent 4 years ago. I was a boy then. I'm a man now. And a Bull. DRose, Pau, what kinda donuts yall like?"

Judging from the replies by Bulls fans, he gained much respect by owning it.

Outstanding, Bobby. That's how it's done.

Oh- the Bulls fans are loving that tweet.
What a great response and great sense of humor by Portis.
It appears if you read the Bulls message boards the fans are just thrilled with this pick by the Bulls.

[PonderinHog]

Bobby's gonna be just fine.  His hard work will be rewarded.  :razorback:

[riccoar]

Erie can better answer your question, but the last numbers I saw were around $1.3 million. Not sure how much of that is guaranteed money.

First two years are the only guaranteed money for rookies.  For Portis, $2,844,840.  Now that figure is before taxes, agents, etc.

[ErieHog]

First two years are the only guaranteed money for rookies.  For Portis, $2,844,840.  Now that figure is before taxes, agents, etc.

The third year is all but guarnanteed;  better than 80% of 1st round picks get the 3rd year option, and a significant portion of those who haven't since this CBA,  have included stashed players who haven't yet signed their first deal,  to be extended.

[hawginbigd1]

A rookie coach, with a team that has to rely on a superstar and a 2nd bannana that are both facing injury questions,  with their key 3rd wheel a possible resignee/RFA, and a loaded front court?

There are good teams, and there are good situations.   The Bulls can potentially be a very good team-- but they are far from an ideal situation, unless someone gets lost in that front court shuffle.

Still think you are wrong and has cost himself millions maybe even tens of millions by going to a team in that slot, and not being a mid to back end lottery pick next year, We shall see, it was my contention all along that when he gets to his next contract, lack of opportunity and coming off the much lower value contract is going to seriously limit his negotiating leverage.

[Biggus Piggus]

No. The NBA frowns on 4 year college American players

He would have been a three-year college player. And tell Frank the Tank that.

[Biggus Piggus]

The Bulls may not look like a good fit right now, but it could be great for him in the near future.
Noah is in the last year of his contract and playing on a repaired left knee. Gibson had ankle surgery and can't hit the court for about 4 months.
Everyone in the Bulls organization wanted him and seemed absolutely thrilled to get him. So if Portis is the player the Bulls think he is - they will keep him and make it work.

Looks like a great fit to me. Noah's knee is bone on bone. Gasol is aging. Even Gibson's coming off surgery. The Bulls know full well what they have to work with. The outside world looks at that roster as though everyone were young and healthy.

I like the fact that Hoiberg coached against Portis, and then the Bulls drafted Portis. You'd think Hoiberg would know something about Portis.

[Hogimus Prime]

The range BP has on his shot is going to open the lane for Rose and Butler.  Throw BP in the pick-n roll and will do fine offense.  His motor will do him wonders.  I don't care that hr lacks elite level jumping ability.  BP has heart and desire and that will make up for that.

[intelligence]

Link?

Some reporter posted it on twitter

[riccoar]

The third year is all but guarnanteed;  better than 80% of 1st round picks get the 3rd year option, and a significant portion of those who haven't since this CBA,  have included stashed players who haven't yet signed their first deal,  to be extended.

Erie, would you have supported Portis coming back for one more year if he were projecting as being a top 5 pick?