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TheRazorbackGuy

June 19, 2015, 05:46:05 pm
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Get to play with Michael Carter-Williams, The Greek Freak, Jabari Parker and OJ Mayo!

Get to be coached up and developed by a HOFer in Jason Kidd!

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870hogfan

June 19, 2015, 05:53:00 pm #1
Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on June 19, 2015, 05:46:05 pm
Milwaukee Bucks!

Get to play with Michael Carter-Williams, The Greek Freak, Jabari Parker and OJ Mayo!

Get to be coached up and developed by a HOFer in Jason Kidd!

Get Paid NBA Money!

Play in the Playoffs as a Rookie!

http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2015mock.php




I'm sorry but WCS is very overrated and a team would be dumb to draft him number 5.
 

TheRazorbackGuy

June 19, 2015, 05:59:07 pm #2
Quote from: 870hogfan on June 19, 2015, 05:53:00 pm



I'm sorry but WCS is very overrated and a team would be dumb to draft him number 5.

WCS could be Joakim Noah lite but still not sure if a non scorer should be drafted that high. I would pass in the top 7.

onebadrubi

June 19, 2015, 06:02:37 pm #3
WCS won't go top 10

popcornhog

June 19, 2015, 06:40:31 pm #4
Lots of Kentucky butt hurt in this thread. Jeez.
WPS

870hogfan

June 19, 2015, 06:53:56 pm #5
Quote from: popcornhog on June 19, 2015, 06:40:31 pm
Lots of Kentucky butt hurt in this thread. Jeez.


Butt hurt over what? He is overrated.

husker71

June 19, 2015, 07:11:41 pm #6
Anthony Davis was the 4th or 5th scorer on the Kentucky team.  In no way am I comparing the two just an observation.  Is it possible that the Knicks with the 4th pick could still get Okafor??

Big Nasty 34

June 19, 2015, 08:53:48 pm #7
Quote from: onebadrubi on June 19, 2015, 06:02:37 pm
WCS won't go top 10
Quote from: 870hogfan on June 19, 2015, 05:53:00 pm

I'm sorry but WCS is very overrated and a team would be dumb to draft him number 5.

I don't think he will be a star, but I think he can fairly easily be a Tyson Chandler type guy. Get 8 points, 10 boards and 1.5 blocks a game. Mavs fans talk a lot about the way TC changes a game defensively.

And BTW he went 2nd overall....

Hawg Red

June 19, 2015, 10:05:35 pm #8
The thing about WCS is that it would be very surprising if he were NOT an elite defender in the NBA. He can guard just about any type of player for stretches and he's as athletic a big man as you'll find. There's something to be said for these things in the face of the unknowns that other players in the top 10 bring. This is why I actually have come around to believe he's worthy of a selection any time after pick #3. How many guys in the top 10 can we honestly say, with any certainty, will impact the game in any particular way like WCS figures to on defense?

dhornjr1

June 20, 2015, 12:09:12 am #9
Quote from: onebadrubi on June 19, 2015, 06:02:37 pm
WCS won't go top 10

Every mock draft I've seen has Cauley-Stein in the top 10. Many have him in the top 5.

Have you seen one where he isn't top 10?

Hawg Red

June 20, 2015, 06:30:57 am #10
I've seen one or two that think he'll slide to the Pacers at #11. There are definitely several teams in the top 10 that won't take him. Detroit, Charlotte, Denver, and Miami probably won't take him and none of the top 3 teams will take him. New York, Orlando, and Sacramento would take him, so if none of them do, he could fall to Indy. Pacers won't pass on him.

rude1

June 20, 2015, 06:42:10 am #11
Quote from: Hawg Red on June 19, 2015, 10:05:35 pm
The thing about WCS is that it would be very surprising if he were NOT an elite defender in the NBA. He can guard just about any type of player for stretches and he's as athletic a big man as you'll find. There's something to be said for these things in the face of the unknowns that other players in the top 10 bring. This is why I actually have come around to believe he's worthy of a selection any time after pick #3. How many guys in the top 10 can we honestly say, with any certainty, will impact the game in any particular way like WCS figures to on defense?
^^^This. Those who keep saying he is over rated only watch guys on offense obviously. The guy can defend the 3-5 positions and would be an ideal defender for coming up to defend on the pick n roll because he has the ability to be able to switch and still adequately defend a shooting guard. Don't see him  ever developing into a scorer, but he has the capability to have an impact on the game by defending at a high level, rebounding, and he is a guy who will get you some garbage points without having to run offense for him.

dhornjr1

June 20, 2015, 06:48:16 am #12
I've read that Orlando, Sacramento, and Charlotte are all looking hard at him. I don't see the Knicks taking him. I believe they will take Russell or Porzingis. Unless they work that rumored deal with the Lakers to move up and get Okafor.

And if Cauley-Stein falls out of the top 5 or 6 I wouldn't be surprised to see Indiana move up to get him.

Either way, I'll be surprised if he's not a top 10 pick.
 

latrops

June 20, 2015, 09:18:44 am #13
Quote from: Hawg Red on June 19, 2015, 10:05:35 pm
The thing about WCS is that it would be very surprising if he were NOT an elite defender in the NBA. He can guard just about any type of player for stretches and he's as athletic a big man as you'll find. There's something to be said for these things in the face of the unknowns that other players in the top 10 bring. This is why I actually have come around to believe he's worthy of a selection any time after pick #3. How many guys in the top 10 can we honestly say, with any certainty, will impact the game in any particular way like WCS figures to on defense?

I could certainly see WCS disappointing as a pro.  I could also see him being a Noah or Chandler type to have a long, solid career.  The thing is....People have in their mind that a top 10 pick should be a guaranteed star.  It just doesn't work that way.  Go look at the top 10 picks from any draft and you will see a miss/disappointment rate probably over 40 percent on average.  There are very few sure things in the NBA draft....and even some of those don't pan out.

WarPig88

June 20, 2015, 10:34:28 am #14
The thing that mystifies me about WCS being so highly regarded is that he shown little desire to be great thus far in his career.

He has a weak competitive motor at this point and that rarely ever changes.

ErieHog

June 20, 2015, 11:30:17 am #15
WCS probably goes in the 5 to 7 range;   I expect some of the foreign players to start going then, and if there is a run on them, maybe he slides as far as the Pacers, but it is doubtful.

People act like being a Top 10 pick dictates that you have to be an All-Star caliber NBA player from the day you set foot on the court-- when realistically, all it means is that you have some translatable skills that would have value in the NBA.

WCS is an NBA ready, plus defender, in terms of ability;  he may take a little while to learn the rotations and schemes of NBA defense,  but he's going to have easy value there.  He's not an inadequate rebounder,  and that may translate faster simply because of how the game is played.

Yes, his offense is going to be limited, and needs to grow--  but he's a rotation player, today-- and that's what people are looking for, after the first few players in the draft.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

WarPig88

June 20, 2015, 12:14:11 pm #16
Quote from: ErieHog on June 20, 2015, 11:30:17 am
WCS probably goes in the 5 to 7 range;   I expect some of the foreign players to start going then, and if there is a run on them, maybe he slides as far as the Pacers, but it is doubtful.

People act like being a Top 10 pick dictates that you have to be an All-Star caliber NBA player from the day you set foot on the court-- when realistically, all it means is that you have some translatable skills that would have value in the NBA.

WCS is an NBA ready, plus defender, in terms of ability;  he may take a little while to learn the rotations and schemes of NBA defense,  but he's going to have easy value there.  He's not an inadequate rebounder,  and that may translate faster simply because of how the game is played.

Yes, his offense is going to be limited, and needs to grow--  but he's a rotation player, today-- and that's what people are looking for, after the first few players in the draft.

Agree totally.

A top ten pick should represent a guy that is going to be a solid rotation guy and a player you can expect to re-sign after his rookie deal, not an all star, just a true NBA level player.

TheRazorbackGuy

June 20, 2015, 01:37:19 pm #17
Quote from: ErieHog on June 20, 2015, 11:30:17 am
WCS probably goes in the 5 to 7 range;   I expect some of the foreign players to start going then, and if there is a run on them, maybe he slides as far as the Pacers, but it is doubtful.

People act like being a Top 10 pick dictates that you have to be an All-Star caliber NBA player from the day you set foot on the court-- when realistically, all it means is that you have some translatable skills that would have value in the NBA.

WCS is an NBA ready, plus defender, in terms of ability;  he may take a little while to learn the rotations and schemes of NBA defense,  but he's going to have easy value there.  He's not an inadequate rebounder,  and that may translate faster simply because of how the game is played.

Yes, his offense is going to be limited, and needs to grow--  but he's a rotation player, today-- and that's what people are looking for, after the first few players in the draft.


I like that you guys are interested in the NBA draft.

I hope my Nuggets take SG Justice Winslow at number 7.

Denver has Faried and Nurkic in the front court so need to take WCS.

ErieHog

June 20, 2015, 03:06:06 pm #18
Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on June 20, 2015, 01:37:19 pm

I like that you guys are interested in the NBA draft.

I hope my Nuggets take SG Justice Winslow at number 7.

Denver has Faried and Nurkic in the front court so need to take WCS.

Getting Winslow at #7 would be grand theft.

I almost hope my T-Wolves will trade down from 1 to 4, pick up more assets, and draft him to play alongside Andrew Wiggins for the next decade.   There wouldn't be a better set of wings in the NBA.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

onebadrubi

June 21, 2015, 10:05:17 am #19
Erie that would be something to see right there.  I really like Winslow and tyus Jones in this draft.  After watching Jones carry Duke through some tuff games late in the tourney I think he could be a steal. 

I just believe the league requires more of a scoring threat right now from a big man than what WCS offers.  Chandler landed the dallas gig when no one else wanted him and he had a relationship ther.  He's a great player and better offensively than WCS.  I just would not waste a top 1 pick on him.

bigred223

June 21, 2015, 10:29:57 am #20
WCS will bust

TheRazorbackGuy

June 21, 2015, 10:32:38 am #21
Quote from: bigred223 on June 21, 2015, 10:29:57 am
WCS will bust

I disagree I think Okafor turning into Jared Sullinger is the most likely. I'm not high on Porginzis either. I want a guy who is ready to be a star day 1 not 4 years from now

ErieHog

June 21, 2015, 02:13:27 pm #22
Quote from: onebadrubi on June 21, 2015, 10:05:17 am
Erie that would be something to see right there.  I really like Winslow and tyus Jones in this draft.  After watching Jones carry Duke through some tuff games late in the tourney I think he could be a steal. 

I just believe the league requires more of a scoring threat right now from a big man than what WCS offers.  Chandler landed the dallas gig when no one else wanted him and he had a relationship ther.  He's a great player and better offensively than WCS.  I just would not waste a top 1 pick on him.

Offense in the league is an outside-in affair, increasingly, not inside out.   Offense is the lowest priority I'd have for a true big.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

June 21, 2015, 02:14:39 pm #23
Quote from: bigred223 on June 21, 2015, 10:29:57 am
WCS will bust

Context is everything, when labeling someone a bust.   What does a #6 bust look like?  He's likely to still be playing in the league in 5-7 years, and a productive pro.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Porked Tongue

June 21, 2015, 03:16:17 pm #24
Hearing the Hawks are showing solid interest.

TheRazorbackGuy

June 22, 2015, 04:38:34 pm #25
Mario Hezonja from Croatia has some real star potential. If Nuggets miss on Winslow then they need to take Mario.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/18/8793459/mario-hezonja-nba-draft-scouting-report-cocky

Smithian

June 22, 2015, 06:03:39 pm #26
If he doesn't go lottery, I hope Portis drops to the Raptors. They have some nice pieces, a big center, and need a power forward badly. He could start day one.

ErieHog

June 22, 2015, 06:05:59 pm #27
Quote from: Smithian on June 22, 2015, 06:03:39 pm
If he doesn't go lottery, I hope Portis drops to the Raptors. They have some nice pieces, a big center, and need a power forward badly. He could start day one.

20 is a long way to fall, with the Celtics and others picking before the Raptors.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TheRazorbackGuy

June 22, 2015, 06:28:24 pm #28
Super Mario has superstar upside

ErieHog

June 22, 2015, 06:48:46 pm #29
Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on June 22, 2015, 06:28:24 pm
Super Mario has superstar upside

Something about him just screams  'Jan Vesely pt 2', to me.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TheRazorbackGuy

June 22, 2015, 07:26:08 pm #30
Quote from: ErieHog on June 22, 2015, 06:48:46 pm
Something about him just screams  'Jan Vesely pt 2', to me.


I don't think so. I think he is a real scorer. I think his floor is more like a Rudy Fernandez type which is a starting role player and his upside could be that of a franchise player star.


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