Willie Cauley Stein age?

[BrokerHawg]

Cauley Stein sure looks 10 years older than everyone else !!

[Dr. Starcs]

It's the neck tattoos.

[HamIAm]

It's not the age it's his size. The man is big and he's skilled.  A bad combination if you are the opponent.

[ErieHog]

Cauley Stein sure looks 10 years older than everyone else !!

Eh.  He's up to three years older than most of the Kentucky Freshmen;  he'll turn 22 this August.

[3kgthog]

He's a garbage man with a neck tattoo. I wouldn't exactly call him über talented. Nick Davis had better stats in the two major categories. Would we call Nick very skilled?

[b-ash]

He is pretty weak and unskilled for his size.  I have not been impressed with him in any of the games we have played against him.  I will give him credit for his ability to block shots, but how weak did he look yesterday when he muffed that dunk?  He is 9.5 tall with his arms up and got stuck on the rim.  I am 6 ft and almost 40 years old and I can still get stuck on the rim with the best of them.

[hogsanity]

Cauley Stein sure looks 10 years older than everyone else !!

So did Corliss Williamson when he was here.

[Nipsey Mussle]

He is pretty weak and unskilled for his size.  I have not been impressed with him in any of the games we have played against him.  I will give him credit for his ability to block shots, but how weak did he look yesterday when he muffed that dunk?  He is 9.5 tall with his arms up and got stuck on the rim.  I am 6 ft and almost 40 years old and I can still get stuck on the rim with the best of them.

[HSVhogfan2]

He's a garbage man with a neck tattoo. I wouldn't exactly call him über talented. Nick Davis had better stats in the two major categories. Would we call Nick very skilled?

Would that be stats per minute played? Stein will be a top 8 draft pick. I can't remember where Davis got drafted.

[HogBreath]

Looking old is just a family characteristic, according to Cauley-Stein's dad, Captain ZigZag.

[mckinneyhog5]

Only thing he can do is dunk and he can even mess that up.  I wouldn't waste a lotto pick on him.  What skills, besides being tall, does he have?

[heatmiser]

I agree about WCS. He just isn't that good. Yes he can alter shots on defense; but offensively, he cannot create anything on his own. All he ever gets are point blank rebound put in or oops. Would not draft.

[rude1]

I agree about WCS. He just isn't that good. Yes he can alter shots on defense; but offensively, he cannot create anything on his own. All he ever gets are point blank rebound put in or oops. Would not draft.

Ironically the same thing was said of Shaq when he came into the league, "All he can do is dunk". HIs game is completely different from Shaq but if all you are doing is looking at is his offensive game you are missing what makes WCS special.

The kid at 7' can defend from the perimeter all the way to the rim, that is a special talent that you aren't going to see everyday. He also is a beast on the glass with his length, it allows him to snatch it and finish quickly before the defense can react.


None of these kids game are going to be NBA ready offensively, they will all have to learn what they can't get away at that level as opposed to college, that is why a Big with a polished defensive game is valued more.

[MountieDawg]

I agree about WCS. He just isn't that good. Yes he can alter shots on defense; but offensively, he cannot create anything on his own. All he ever gets are point blank rebound put in or oops. Would not draft.

Reasons you are not a NBA GM.  CHECK

Can you name another player that can guard every position on the court? The NBA has tons of shooters and not as many defenders.

[heatmiser]

That's because the NBA is an offense dominated/friendly league. Therefore; I would not draft WCS. I rather get someone an inch or two smaller who can actually create offense.

[Nipsey Mussle]

Only thing he can do is dunk and he can even mess that up.  I wouldn't waste a lotto pick on him.  What skills, besides being tall, does he have?

The NBA believes they can build a skill set. They can't teach me to be 7'1 and jump out of the gym, though. Whether we as fans like it or not, the NBA drafts on potential.

[ErieHog]

That's because the NBA is an offense dominated/friendly league. Therefore; I would not draft WCS. I rather get someone an inch or two smaller who can actually create offense.

Eh.  For every dynamic big, there is a Roy Hibbert eating $15 million in cap space for someone.

[hogsanity]

Eh.  For every dynamic big, there is a Roy Hibbert eating $15 million in cap space for someone.

WCS will block 2-4 shots, grab 10+ rebounds, and get 10-12 points a night just in offensive put backs and dishes by slashing guards. How much the NBA is willing to pay for those #'s is up to them. They are not going to draft him to knock down 15 foot jump shots.

[HSVhogfan2]

I agree about WCS. He just isn't that good. Yes he can alter shots on defense; but offensively, he cannot create anything on his own. All he ever gets are point blank rebound put in or oops. Would not draft.

Name a 7 footer, in the history of the NBA, that can "create on his own"? I've never seen a 7 foot guard. Wilt and Russel never got further out than the dotted line in the lane and they weren't all that bad.

[gchamblee]

lol at all the sour grapes in this thread

[HSVhogfan2]

lol at all the sour grapes in this thread

Yeah if Hogville woulda been around in the 1950s and AR woulda played Kansas, everybody woulda said "that Wilt kid sucks, he can't even shoot a decent set shot".

[PonderinHog]

Name a 7 footer, in the history of the NBA, that can "create on his own"? I've never seen a 7 foot guard. Wilt and Russel never got further out than the dotted line in the lane and they weren't all that bad.

Dirk Nowitski.  Not a guard but you know what I mean.

[Hogimus Prime]

Name a 7 footer, in the history of the NBA, that can "create on his own"? I've never seen a 7 foot guard. Wilt and Russel never got further out than the dotted line in the lane and they weren't all that bad.

Kevin Garnett.  He's listed at 6'11" but is really around 7'1".  Kevin Durant I know he's only 6'11"

[HSVhogfan2]

Kevin Garnett.  He's listed at 6'11" but is really around 7'1".  Kevin Durant I know he's only 6'11"

Dirk Nowitski.  Not a guard but you know what I mean.

Okay, I'll let you fudge an inch (my wife lets me) and I'll give you Durant. The other guys have good mid-range jump shots, but are still at their best when they are being facilitated by a guard. KG really became a beast, when he put on 30lbs and started playing closer to the rim. Nowitski has the best mid-range game I've ever seen, but his game is still catch around the elbow, work his guy and shoot that funky left foot step back fade-away. Same way Jabbar caught on the baseline and worked his guy for a skyhook that always went in. He was still facilitated by a guard.

[Hogimus Prime]

Okay, I'll let you fudge an inch (my wife lets me) and I'll give you Durant. The other guys have good mid-range jump shots, but are still at their best when they are being facilitated by a guard. KG really became a beast, when he put on 30lbs and started playing closer to the rim. Nowitski has the best mid-range game I've ever seen, but his game is still catch around the elbow, work his guy and shoot that funky left foot step back fade-away. Same way Jabbar caught on the baseline and worked his guy for a skyhook that always went in. He was still facilitated by a guard.

True.  Durant, KG, and Dirk all showed signs of am offensive feel early. WCS hasn't.  I know Kentucky is loaded and he isn't asked to score a lot, but I've seen him play and I don't think he has a very offensive feel.  There's a long list of athletic 6'10-7'0" that were drafted on potential and didn't make it.  I think that's what happens to WCS.

[Kevin]

It's the neck tattoos.

I thought players did not have any money.

Guess tattoos are free

[acey33]

What did Santa Claus ever do to you?

[jackflash]

I would take a Willie Cauley Stein anytime he wanted to be a Razorback. He doing what Kentucky ask him to. Block shots and rebound, if Kentucky wasn't so talented his scoring would be higher.

[jbcarol]

I thought players did not have any money.

Guess tattoos are free

NFL Hall of Famer and former KC Chief Will Shields took him in after his sophomore year of high school.  He was living in Spearville with his maternal grandparents.  Due to the preexisting relationship, Shields can provide him whatever he wants, like Michael Oher from Sean Touhy.

[HamIAm]

He's a garbage man with a neck tattoo. I wouldn't exactly call him über talented. Nick Davis had better stats in the two major categories. Would we call Nick very skilled?

I didn't say he was extremely talented.  I just said he has skills and size.  I've seen plenty of big men who couldn't take advantage of their size. What does it matter if he's cleaning up garbage. The points and blocked shots still count and we coudn't stop it.

[Boarcephus]

My only question about him is where did he come up with the $4-5k to pay for his tatoos?  That guy has spent some hours under a tatoo needle.

[hogsanity]

My only question about him is where did he come up with the $4-5k to pay for his tatoos?  That guy has spent some hours under a tatoo needle.

Before we start throwing those stones, do any hog players have tatoos?

Now, in general I agree and have wondered this for a while now. People decry the plight of the college athlete not having any money, yet elaborate expensive ink seems to be the norm.

[Boarcephus]

Before we start throwing those stones, do any hog players have tatoos?

Now, in general I agree and have wondered this for a while now. People decry the plight of the college athlete not having any money, yet elaborate expensive ink seems to be the norm.

Not throwing any rocks because I wonder the same thing about our players.   Just a question in general here but how does a kid come up with the cash to get these and some players like WCS have thousands of dollars in ink on their bodies.

[PorkRinds]

Guys when you are a semi-famous athlete, any tattoo artist is likely going to hook you up with free or greatly reduced prices just to be able to have you on his/her client list.  If WCS came to your shop, you want to tattoo him because in a few years your tattoos will be on national TV and getting national exposure.  Why does Nike give them thousands of dollars in free gear? 

[michaels]

reminds me of a more mobile Tyson Chandler..

idk why he's even in college, he should have gone last year.

[Boarcephus]

Guys when you are a semi-famous athlete, any tattoo artist is likely going to hook you up with free or greatly reduced prices just to be able to have you on his/her client list.  If WCS came to your shop, you want to tattoo him because in a few years your tattoos will be on national TV and getting national exposure.  Why does Nike give them thousands of dollars in free gear? 

Very good point and if you're an Ohio State ballplayer, slip a jersey or two.

[latrops]

Only thing he can do is dunk and he can even mess that up.  I wouldn't waste a lotto pick on him.  What skills, besides being tall, does he have?

If you use it at all, you have a good chance of "wasting" your lottery pick in the NBA draft.  Go look at the NBA drafts of the past 10 or so years.  Every year, the lottery includes some players that go on to greatness, and many more role players or guys that really just aren't NBA caliber.  Take one draft as an example...say, 5 years ago since it is relatively current yet long enough ago that we should have an idea of where those picks are heading as NBA players.

2010 Draft....
John Wall
Evan Turner
Derrick Favors
Wesley Johnson
Demarcus Cousins
Ekpe Udoh
Greg Monroe
Al Farouq Aminu
Gordon Hayward
Paul George
Cole Aldrich
Xavier Henry
Ed Davis
Patrick Patterson
Larry Sanders

That's the top 15 picks.  How many of them would you really be happy to have spent a lottery pick on?  Maybe 5?  Probably 3 actual franchise players in that group. 

Point being, it isn't nearly as easy to draft impact players in the NBA as many seem to think.

[Maximus Tusk]

Cauley Stein sure looks 10 years older than everyone else !!

He looks like Joakim Noah's older brother! Yikes!!!

[PORKULATOR]

He's a garbage man with a neck tattoo. I wouldn't exactly call him über talented. Nick Davis had better stats in the two major categories. Would we call Nick very skilled?

I have on many occasions.  I thought Nick played above his size. And WAS is very talented to go with his size.

[PORKULATOR]

He looks like Joakim Noah's older brother! Yikes!!!

+1 haaaa

[WooPig90]

lol at all the sour grapes in this thread

Agree...
He kinda reminds me of a DeAndre Jordan

[870hogfan]

Congrats to him on earning his first victory against Arkansas. 1-3 isn't to bad right?

[Overtheroadtruckdriver]

He's good.  I think he has the potential to be the best Jewish basketball player since Dolph schayes.

[RAD]

Greg Oden agrees.

[Hogimus Prime]

I'm thinking more of Brad Sellers

[Nipsey Mussle]

He's good.  I think he has the potential to be the best Jewish basketball player since Dolph schayes.

This is totally wrong. He prefers to be called a "Jewish American."

[yraciv]

If you use it at all, you have a good chance of "wasting" your lottery pick in the NBA draft.  Go look at the NBA drafts of the past 10 or so years.  Every year, the lottery includes some players that go on to greatness, and many more role players or guys that really just aren't NBA caliber.  Take one draft as an example...say, 5 years ago since it is relatively current yet long enough ago that we should have an idea of where those picks are heading as NBA players.

2010 Draft....
John Wall
Evan Turner
Derrick Favors
Wesley Johnson
Demarcus Cousins
Ekpe Udoh
Greg Monroe
Al Farouq Aminu
Gordon Hayward
Paul George
Cole Aldrich
Xavier Henry
Ed Davis
Patrick Patterson
Larry Sanders

That's the top 15 picks.  How many of them would you really be happy to have spent a lottery pick on?  Maybe 5?  Probably 3 actual franchise players in that group. 

Point being, it isn't nearly as easy to draft impact players in the NBA as many seem to think.

I would have taken 6 of those players again if I had to do it again.  I can't see how anyone should really expect a franchise player at less than a Top 5 pick unless the draft is just loaded.  John Wall Wizards got a franchise player, Demarcus Cousins Kings got a franchise player.  Gordon Heyward Jazz got a franchise player "albeit not a great one",  Greg Monroe very productive starter for the Pistons, and Larry Sanders was a steal where he got picked. That is if his mind was on basketball and he hadn't recently gone into this odd basketball hiatus.

[OS2 (SW) Razor Back]

So did Corliss Williamson when he was here.

You're high.

[Athog]

lol at all the sour grapes in this thread

That is what I was thinking!

[PonderinHog]

Greg Oden agrees.

There's got to be a "Stay off my lawn" joke in there somewhere.