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Hogfan1660

We look like a high school team against these guys! Portis and Kingsley even look small against them.

arkansasrazorback

Doc Harper ‏@doc_harper  4m4 minutes ago
Few things in Arkansas history annoy me more than the Larry Johnson "get yourself some men" line. Damn, the reverence that gets is stupid.
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Danny J

I bet you didn't know UK is bigger than every NBA team except for Portland.........

Also...not only are they big but they are talented. If that is the standard for which we are trying to reach then we are always going to fall short.

Hogfan1660

I didn't know that they were bigger than most NBA teams. They are definitely big and skilled to top it off.

Hogcephus

Quote from: arkansasrazorback on February 28, 2015, 04:22:14 pm
Doc Harper ‏@doc_harper  4m4 minutes ago
Few things in Arkansas history annoy me more than the Larry Johnson "get yourself some men" line. Damn, the reverence that gets is stupid.
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I'll second that! That's what I said what I said when I saw the thread title.

Kevin

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Ex-Trumpet

Quote from: Danny J on February 28, 2015, 04:24:05 pm
I bet you didn't know UK is bigger than every NBA team except for Portland.........

Also...not only are they big but they are talented. If that is the standard for which we are trying to reach then we are always going to fall short.

It was UK's standard and they reached it...but you believe we can't?  Why not?
Do dyslexic, agnostic insomniacs lie awake at night wondering if there really is a dog?

kennymayne

Because we can't recruit that way. We cabt.

razortv

This is the game Portis and Kingsley need to play together.

ErieHog

Quote from: Hogfan1660 on February 28, 2015, 04:26:51 pm
I didn't know that they were bigger than most NBA teams. They are definitely big and skilled to top it off.

Not most.  All but one.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

z1on

Quote from: Hogfan1660 on February 28, 2015, 04:21:45 pm
We look like a high school team against these guys! Portis and Kingsley even look small against them.

shut the hell up

Hogfan1660

So I guess you think that we aren't way undersized against KY???? I love your well thought out response and thank you for your insite!

ErieHog

Quote from: Hogfan1660 on February 28, 2015, 05:06:08 pm
So I guess you think that we aren't way undersized against KY???? I love your well thought out response and thank you for your insite!

Nope.  We're normal-sized.  Bigger than most college teams, actually.   We're just not freakishly sized.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

 

z1on

No crap we're undersized, as would be most NBA teams. I'm just sick of that overused phrase.

Danny J

Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on February 28, 2015, 04:44:27 pm
It was UK's standard and they reached it...but you believe we can't?  Why not?
You think we can ever recruit 9 McDAA's on one team? Nobody has ever come close to that except UK.

TeufelHog

Hmmmmm . . . looks like for some posters in this thread the truth hurts.  We have some very talented players on this team, but we are small.  Getting there though!  Program is heading in the right direction!

Hawg Red

When it comes to Kentucky, everyone in the country needs some men.

razCzar

Quote from: Danny J on February 28, 2015, 04:24:05 pm
I bet you didn't know UK is bigger than every NBA team except for Portland.........

Also...not only are they big but they are talented. If that is the standard for which we are trying to reach then we are always going to fall short.
Good stuff - as usual. 

razCzar

Good stuff, Danny - as usual.



Ooops, sorry for the double post.

rude1

Quote from: TeufelHog on February 28, 2015, 05:29:00 pm
Hmmmmm . . . looks like for some posters in this thread the truth hurts.  We have some very talented players on this team, but we are small.  Getting there though!  Program is heading in the right direction!
Do you guys even watch basketball? We are not small Ky is big for even an NBA team. We have adequate to good size for a college team.

Danny J

Quote from: razCzar on February 28, 2015, 05:31:58 pm
Good stuff, Danny - as usual.



Ooops, sorry for the double post.
Thanks...

Danny J

Quote from: rude1 on February 28, 2015, 05:33:46 pm
Do you guys even watch basketball? We are not small Ky is big for even an NBA team. We have adequate to good size for a college team.
Yeah....we are about perfect size wise especially for the style we want to play and how much the college game has changed. The Cats are big, talented, can handle the ball and can shoot. Very very rare.

Hogimus Prime

Guess Kansas and Louisville better go get some men too.

jm

Quote from: rude1 on February 28, 2015, 05:33:46 pm
Do you guys even watch basketball? We are not small Ky is big for even an NBA team. We have adequate to good size for a college team.

We needed more size inside today. Portis got pushed off the block all day. If the game is going to be played that physical inside, we have to have someone that can body up and hold his position. In this specific game Dan Skipper might have been an asset. We needed a space eater/physical screener.

 

TeufelHog

@ rude1 . . . Why yes, I do.  Please reference my prediction of today's game in "Anyone Else Getting Sick Of . . ." thread on 26 February.

husker71

I went to Walmart and no 7' and 260lb guys walking around (well lots at 260 but all of those about 5'6")  Only a very few of those guys who can actually play    Our effort was great and just because we cant beat (this time) Kentucky doesn't mean we don't have men.

hawginbigd1

Forget about today and Kentucky, a lineup and roster weakness is our lack of polished talent size besides portis. Kapita may help, or maybe Kingsley can become a basketball player at some point. Harris does what he can but he isn't big enough.

The Boar War

Oh how I wish I could go back in time and hit Larry Johnson with a crowbar right before he said that to Nolan.

hawg IQ

Quote from: Hogfan1660 on February 28, 2015, 04:21:45 pm
We look like a high school team against these guys! Portis and Kingsley even look small against them.
Actually the Op is more right than just being a homer about this team.
While hogs are the best we've had here in a while, they are nowhere close to the talent kentuck has. That little quick guard was good man ! And their big men are good also. Hogs has Portis, Qualls and Ky Madden (decent) and beard is coming. Harris so-so, same with Kingsly, but then there's a huge fall off.
   Even Cal said that the wild cats had more weapons and didn't get tired like last year.
  We do need more ! to play the way MA wants to play, you have to have 10-12 good players . We are not there, just not there.
go hogs go !

The_Iceman

We will never have enough men to beat that Kentucky team on the road.

urkillnmesmalls

Guys, if KY is the measuring stick, then we're not alone.  Yes, it would be great if Portis was just as quick, and had about 20 more lbs of muscle on him, but that wouldn't have made the difference in that game.  First off...Portis got a lot of contested rebounds.  Second..he actually blocked WCS's attempted dunk, but as luck would have it, it banked off the glass and went in anyway.  I was surprised to see him get up that high. 

Portis was annoyed with how physical it was down low.  I thought he held his own, but it's impossible to protect the rim, AND be in position for every rebound. 

Reverse that...in BWA, and let us shoot over 50% from the field, and I bet we are at least in the game at the end.  They just shot crazy well, and we made uncharacteristically bad turnovers on lazy passes that didn't help. 

That was a bad loss.  But...it was against a great team that NO ONE is going to beat if they shoot that well.  Hard to use that as a measuring stick.   
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

The Boar War

Fwiw I think Cauley Stein might have told Tarkanian's (RIP) UNLV team that they needed to get some men.

Nipsey Mussle

Quote from: Hawg Red on February 28, 2015, 05:30:33 pm
When it comes to Kentucky, everyone in the country needs some men.
Well said, Red.

Teufel and 1660 are bringing a special type of stupid to this thread.

kennymayne

Quote from: The Boar War on February 28, 2015, 09:45:10 pm
Fwiw I think Cauley Stein might have told Tarkanian's (RIP) UNLV team that they needed to get some men.

I know you weren't comparing the two but Kentucky couldn't hold that UNLV teams jock. Best team I've ever seen. I'll never be convinced they didn't throw that championship game.

Soooie21

Need players with an attitude...we don't have that...they all play hard......Big Nasty wasn't tall like the Wildcats bigs..but he was a beast down low...we need that in games like this...we have players that get annoyed, but not, won't be denied pissed...

Nipsey Mussle

Quote from: kennymayne on February 28, 2015, 11:27:16 pm
I know you weren't comparing the two but Kentucky couldn't hold that UNLV teams jock. Best team I've ever seen. I'll never be convinced they didn't throw that championship game.
Will you be convinced that they didn't lose a championship game? They beat Duke for the title and then lost to them the next season, but not in the finals. Try again

Shakey

Quote from: kennymayne on February 28, 2015, 11:27:16 pm
I know you weren't comparing the two but Kentucky couldn't hold that UNLV teams jock. Best team I've ever seen. I'll never be convinced they didn't throw that championship game.
They had to be favored by double digits, so why throw the game?  All they had to do was hover around the line and miss a few free throws at the end to shave the points. I have a hard time believing they would throw the game when they were all about to be millionaires anyways. I was always more of the mindset the NCAA was more on the fix of trying to make sure UNLV didn't win.  I mean, it was Duke they lost to. Ever seen a game you thought the officials hosed the Dukie's?

k.c.hawg

Kansas, which is one of the very few teams that can go after and get some of the same kids Kentucky recruits lined up against them and looked like a Jr High team. They lost by 32. Judging the Hogs size and physicality against one of the all time freak teams and finding room for improvement is elementary at best. They line up with 2, 7 footers, a 6'11", a 6'10", 2 6'9"s and then they throw 6'6" guards at you. Wow I'm stunned we can't match up with that.
Just sitting on the deck with a cold beer and a hot tequila watching the razorbacks roam.

kennymayne

Quote from: BBsTheMan on March 01, 2015, 03:24:43 am
Will you be convinced that they didn't lose a championship game? They beat Duke for the title and then lost to them the next season, but not in the finals. Try again
You know what I meant. But congratulations on being the Internet tough guy in the thread.

TeufelHog

Yeah, special kind of stupid . . . I'm sure a Corliss or a Miller wouldn't have been very helpful on a day like yesterday.  We are just a few pieces away from being an NCAA Top 10 team.  Right now it's just way to easy to pick-up points on the Hogs by penetrating the paint.

MountieDawg

Quote from: Danny J on February 28, 2015, 05:11:31 pm
You think we can ever recruit 9 McDAA's on one team? Nobody has ever come close to that except UK.

Duke had 9 to start the year, but now they have 8 just like UK has playing. Cauley Stein was not a McDonalds AA but a High school Wide Receiver.
SEC!

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: k.c.hawg on March 01, 2015, 08:55:35 am
Kansas, which is one of the very few teams that can go after and get some of the same kids Kentucky recruits lined up against them and looked like a Jr High team. They lost by 32. Judging the Hogs size and physicality against one of the all time freak teams and finding room for improvement is elementary at best. They line up with 2, 7 footers, a 6'11", a 6'10", 2 6'9"s and then they throw 6'6" guards at you. Wow I'm stunned we can't match up with that.

That's it right there.  There's not a team in CBB that doesn't walk on the court at an immediate disadvantage.  Whatever success you have is going to be an uphill battle.  I love that our kids weren't intimidated.  We just ran into a buzz saw.  A LOT of great teams have had a bad game or two along the way, or had it in the NCAAT when it mattered the most.  I am CONVINCED that if our '95 team played that UCLA team 5 times, we would win 4.  We just lost when it counted.   

That's the only way KY will lose.  Someone will just light it up, and they'll be cold and have a few guys get in foul trouble.  I'm not sure that will happen, because they have so much talent that Cal will just run someone else out there until he finds someone who's hitting.  Then it becomes contagious, and they'll be right back on track. 

What's nuts is...their guards shoot almost fearlessly.  They aren't even worried about shots being contested.  That gives them that little extra time to get balanced and lined up.  I don't think their big men are any better than Portis.  I just think the perception is that they are stronger and meaner when you have THREE of them under there, because one of them is bound to get a dunk off a rebound.  Portis has a bigger role than them, and he's got a better rounded skill set.  I'm sold on Portis after the last 10 ball games.  He's better than I thought.     
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

(notOM)Rebel123

Quote from: Hogimus Prime on February 28, 2015, 05:37:54 pm
Guess Kansas and Louisville better go get some men too.

Yeah, UK beat Kansas by 32 and they also beat UCLA by 39. They held UCLA to 7 points in the first half. Both on neutral floors.
"Knowledge is Good"....Emil Faber

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: TeufelHog on March 01, 2015, 10:43:41 am
Yeah, special kind of stupid . . . I'm sure a Corliss or a Miller wouldn't have been very helpful on a day like yesterday.  We are just a few pieces away from being an NCAA Top 10 team.  Right now it's just way to easy to pick-up points on the Hogs by penetrating the paint.

I agree.  It compounded when our bigs come to help protect the rim and give up the rebound as a result.  We have to cut guys off...not run beside them.  BUT...with KY it's a little different.  They either have a dude that's 6'6" who can get his shot off over people when he gets in the paint, or some kid who's quicker than a whistle blowing by people.  So it looked worse than it is. 

It was easy to see their recipe.  Drive the ball, force help, and then either find the open man crashing to the basket, or throw something up...because they were likely to rebound it anyway.  I thought Portis really held his own on the boards, and the same was true for Qualls.  There's just only so much you can do.  Try for the block and give up the rebound...or bock out and watch guards shoot over your teammates all game.  KY is a TOUGH OUT.   
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

(notOM)Rebel123

March 01, 2015, 10:56:14 am #44 Last Edit: March 01, 2015, 11:06:19 am by (notOM)Rebel123
Quote from: MountieDawg on March 01, 2015, 10:46:44 am
Duke had 9 to start the year, but now they have 8 just like UK has playing. Cauley Stein was not a McDonalds AA but a High school Wide Receiver.

He was Ranked the 10th best center in the country by Scout.com and ESPNU Recruiting and the sixth best by Rivals.com ... Ranked 20th overall by Scout, while ESPNU rated him at 32nd and Rivals at 39th.
Not to shabby....

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2014/nov/18/olathe-native-cauley-stein-not-heavily-recruited-k/
"Knowledge is Good"....Emil Faber

Nipsey Mussle

Quote from: TeufelHog on March 01, 2015, 10:43:41 am
Yeah, special kind of stupid . . . I'm sure a Corliss or a Miller wouldn't have been very helpful on a day like yesterday.  We are just a few pieces away from being an NCAA Top 10 team.  Right now it's just way to easy to pick-up points on the Hogs by penetrating the paint.
If we try to play big against UK we will lose by more than 17. As it stands, we are a good match up against them, relatively speaking of course.

If we play in the SecT, we will give them a game.

770john111

Nope we just need somebody that go off from 3 point land.thats all

Hog and Eggs

While UK might be the best team in the country, I'm not convinced they will win it all. Every year Cal has one of the best teams in the country, but he has only won one title. Honestly, it actually makes you wonder how good of an actual coach he is. His teams are always the most talented. Wonder how good of a coach he would be without a team of the most highly recruited guys in the country.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: Hogimus Prime on February 28, 2015, 05:37:54 pm
Guess Kansas and Louisville better go get some men too.

Yeah, if they wanna play with Kentucky this year.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Youngsta71701

No matter what we say Larry Johnson was right. You see what happened after we went and got some big men.  Robinson, Wilson, Stewart, Williamson= championship!
"The more things change the more they stay the same"