Pittsburg...best franchise ever?

[Ugly Uncle]

Now, I have to tell you I am a huge Cowboys fan.  So this comes from a non-Pittsburg guy.

Three teams have won 5 Superbowls.  1)  Cowboys.  2)  San Fran.  3)  Pitt.

But wouldn't you agree that Pitt is the best of the three?  Even though they were/are the last to win 5 don't they have a better track record than the other two?  Here is my reasoning:

1.  Stability.  They have only had 2 coaches for the last 100 years (slight exaggeration, but you get my point)

2.  No total failures in a season.  Cowboys and 49's have been really really bad during individual seasons.

3.  Fan base.  While the cowboys claim to be "AMERICA'S TEAM" (which I like and agree with) Pitt seems to have more fans that travel or show up for away games than any team I have ever seen.

Now, I could be wrong...but I was thinking about this as the game ended tonight.  Anyone disagree?  Agree?

[dmhog v2.0]

Now, I have to tell you I am a huge Cowboys fan.  So this comes from a non-Pittsburg guy.

Three teams have won 5 Superbowls.  1)  Cowboys.  2)  San Fran.  3)  Pitt.

But wouldn't you agree that Pitt is the best of the three?  Even though they were/are the last to win 5 don't they have a better track record than the other two?  Here is my reasoning:

1.  Stability.  They have only had 2 coaches for the last 100 years (slight exaggeration, but you get my point)

2.  No total failures in a season.  Cowboys and 49's have been really really bad during individual seasons.

3.  Fan base.  While the cowboys claim to be "AMERICA'S TEAM" (which I like and agree with) Pitt seems to have more fans that travel or show up for away games than any team I have ever seen.

Now, I could be wrong...but I was thinking about this as the game ended tonight.  Anyone disagree?  Agree?

1. Agree
2. Not sure, but I'll take your word for it.
3. Absolutely. F' the Cowboys.

[BigPapaHawg]

Even though I am a true Cowboy fan, I'm going to have to say San Francisco has to be the best due to the fact they are 5-0 in their Super Bowl appearances. The Cowboys are 5-3 and the Steelers are 5-1.

[Ugly Uncle]

Even though I am a true Cowboy fan, I'm going to have to say San Francisco has to be the best due to the fact they are 5-0 in their Super Bowl appearances. The Cowboys are 5-3 and the Steelers are 5-1.

I'm not going to argue with a fellow Cowboy fan.  But doesn't getting to the Superbowl more times mean something?  Well, never mind...I just thought about the Bills.

[Franchise_Hog]

You make great points, but in my opinion I would rank it Cowboys, Steelers, and then 49ers.

I don't even like the Cowboys too much.

If Lynn Swan goes on to be the Governor of Pennsylvania, then I'll reconsider.

[dmhog v2.0]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

[Ugly Uncle]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

[BigPapaHawg]

I don't like saying it myself, but San Fran. made it count each time they made it to the big game!

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.  Not even close.

Steelers are the GREATEST NFL franchinse EVER.  The Cowboys are a close second and could have been the best had Jerry not been such an arrogant arse trying to prove he is a "football" guy by letting Jimmy go and trying to show he could do it on his own.

Deal with it "America's" team fans.

[dmhog v2.0]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.

Is this a bodybuilding contest?  I could come up with a nice gay joke, but I liked the pm and you apparently hate the cowboys, so I'll refrain. Just know, you set me up for one...

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.

Is this a bodybuilding contest?  I could come up with a nice gay joke, but I liked the pm and you apparently hate the cowboys, so I'll refrain. Just know, you set me up for one...

LOL, what I meant was they sucked back then and could not even start D1 College today.  So they don't count.

[dmhog v2.0]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.

Is this a bodybuilding contest?  I could come up with a nice gay joke, but I liked the pm and you apparently hate the cowboys, so I'll refrain. Just know, you set me up for one...

LOL, what I meant was they sucked back then and could not even start D1 College today.  So they don't count.

Oh. Makes sense now.

[Michael Porkleone]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.  Not even close.

don't even know where to start on that comment...

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Quantity of Super Bowl appearances aside, one could make a decent argument for Green Bay.

If I had to choose, I'd have to say San Fran.

Ooooh.  I forgot about Greenbay.  Even though they don't have the number of "Superbowl" wins, they do...I believe...have the most NFL titles.  Title town.

Those Green Bay guys all had bodies like our Dad's.  Not even close.

don't even know where to start on that comment...

Well, read up and you will see what i meant.

READ more, post less.

[Michael Porkleone]

Now, I have to tell you I am a huge Cowboys fan.  So this comes from a non-Pittsburg guy.

Three teams have won 5 Superbowls.  1)  Cowboys.  2)  San Fran.  3)  Pitt.

But wouldn't you agree that Pitt is the best of the three?  Even though they were/are the last to win 5 don't they have a better track record than the other two?  Here is my reasoning:

1.  Stability.  They have only had 2 coaches for the last 100 years (slight exaggeration, but you get my point)

2.  No total failures in a season.  Cowboys and 49's have been really really bad during individual seasons.

3.  Fan base.  While the cowboys claim to be "AMERICA'S TEAM" (which I like and agree with) Pitt seems to have more fans that travel or show up for away games than any team I have ever seen.

Now, I could be wrong...but I was thinking about this as the game ended tonight.  Anyone disagree?  Agree?

I agree...I am a HUGE Cowboys fan..but the track record of the Steelers can't be argued with.  I was at the Cowboys vs. Steelers game in 2004 and it was amazing the amount of support from Pittsburg that came to watch their team. 

[Ugly Uncle]

You can't disqualify teams because they played at a time when the lineman were like 180lbs and a fast guy ran 5.0 40.  To say that those champs don't count doesn't make sense.  You have to say every team that won a game before 1970 didn't really win.  Greenbay's champs count...because their team and franchise was the best of that year and their era.

Those championships count.

[Hawg414]

You can't disqualify teams because they played at a time when the lineman were like 180lbs and a fast guy ran 5.0 40.  To say that those champs don't count doesn't make sense.  You have to say every team that won a game before 1970 didn't really win.  Greenbay's champs count...because their team and franchise was the best of that year and their era.

Those championships count.

this is true uncle... or else we will have to throw out our already-imaginary championship from 64.

[Ugly Uncle]

You can't disqualify teams because they played at a time when the lineman were like 180lbs and a fast guy ran 5.0 40.  To say that those champs don't count doesn't make sense.  You have to say every team that won a game before 1970 didn't really win.  Greenbay's champs count...because their team and franchise was the best of that year and their era.

Those championships count.

this is true uncle... or else we will have to throw out our already-imaginary championship from 64.

Not to derail the thread...but yes that would be true.

But, didn't I see a trophy in our case for the NC?  I don't think FB just went to the wood shop and made it himself.

[Michael Porkleone]

You can't disqualify teams because they played at a time when the lineman were like 180lbs and a fast guy ran 5.0 40.  To say that those champs don't count doesn't make sense.  You have to say every team that won a game before 1970 didn't really win.  Greenbay's champs count...because their team and franchise was the best of that year and their era.

Those championships count.

this is true uncle... or else we will have to throw out our already-imaginary championship from 64.

Not to derail the thread...but yes that would be true.

But, didn't I see a trophy in our case for the NC?  I don't think FB just went to the wood shop and made it himself.

I have seen it also....the whole '64 fiasco will never be settled....

[LA HAWG]

Considering the fact the Cowboys have played in 20% of the Super Bowls (thats eight for you non-math people) I would have to give them the nod.  What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.  Dallas has good teams each decade.

[Hawg414]

Considering the fact the Cowboys have played in 20% of the Super Bowls (thats eight for you non-math people) I would have to give them the nod.  What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.  Dallas has good teams each decade.

they haven't in the past decade  (thats 10 years for you non-knowing-what-a-decade-is people)

[Sanctified Swine]

1. Cowboys  8 super bowls  5 wins
2. Steelers   6 Super bowls  5 wins
3. 49ers       5 Super Bowls  5 wins

[hoggystyle78]

Does anybody know which of the 3, Dallas, San Fran, or Pitt has been the most consistent over say the last 40 years?, I don't know for sure but it seems like Pittsburgh always fields an above average team. Just wondering. And for the record I've been a Dolphins fan since 1970, haven't had much to cheer about in a long time.

[LA HAWG]

they haven't in the past decade  (thats 10 years for you non-knowing-what-a-decade-is people)

Most people look at decades as 60's, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s.  So in this decade which is far from over they have had average success but in the last decade they won three super bowls, and they will win again before 2010.  I know it is hard for you to admit the Cowboy's are the greatest franchise in history but just because you won't admit it doesn't mean it is not true.

[holman24]

In playoff history the Steeler are only Second to the Cowboy in win with Pitt at 28 and dallas at 32 also the team that has been the most with the most wins must be considered the best and that is the Cowboys. if we went with appearances only then it would be dallas pitt and denver.

[razrken]

Green Bay is the best, they are owned by the public and have a 40,000 person waiting list for season tickets.  I personally am 33,746 and I may get them by Y3K according to the ticket office

[dmhog v2.0]

What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.

Um, I don't know. I think they just won some kind of game last night. I could be wrong, though.

[SpaHog]

What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.

They also went in 96 which was their lone loss LA HAWG.  Which leaves the 60s as the only decade the steelers did not appear in a SB.  The cowboys didn't appear in one in the 60s, 80s, or so far in the 00s. 


Um, I don't know. I think they just won some kind of game last night. I could be wrong, though.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.

They also went in 96 which was their lone loss LA HAWG.  Which leaves the 60s as the only decade the steelers did not appear in a SB.  The cowboys didn't appear in one in the 60s, 80s, or so far in the 00s. 


Um, I don't know. I think they just won some kind of game last night. I could be wrong, though.

AND a few AFC championship games..

[LA HAWG]

What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.

They also went in 96 which was their lone loss LA HAWG.  Which leaves the 60s as the only decade the steelers did not appear in a SB.  The cowboys didn't appear in one in the 60s, 80s, or so far in the 00s. 


Um, I don't know. I think they just won some kind of game last night. I could be wrong, though.

That was in 1995 and who did they lose that super bowl to again?  That's right the Cowboys!

[dmhog v2.0]

What has Pittsburgh done since 1979.

They also went in 96 which was their lone loss LA HAWG.  Which leaves the 60s as the only decade the steelers did not appear in a SB.  The cowboys didn't appear in one in the 60s, 80s, or so far in the 00s. 


Um, I don't know. I think they just won some kind of game last night. I could be wrong, though.

That was in 1995 and who did they lose that super bowl to again?  That's right the Cowboys!

Well, by that logic we can argue that Dallas shouldn't be up there. Before 1993, they had not been in a Super Bowl since 1979 where they lost to Philly. Therefore, Philly is a better franchise. They did beat Denver three years before that, but lost to Pittsburgh in 1975, so Pittsburgh and Dallas eliminate each other from the great franchise tournament. Dallas also lost to the Baltimore Colts in 1971. So the Colts are a better franchise.

So that should leave the San Fran, Green Bay, Blatimore/Indy Colts and Philadelphia as the only contenders as the greatest franchise.

This is just using your logic, not mine.

[LA HAWG]

DMHOG I am not using the fact that Dallas beat Pitt in 95 as a reason they are better all time than Pitt.  It just adds to the point.  Quit being obtuse.  By the way, considering the fact that Dallas and Philadelphia are both in the same conference and division for that matter, it is kinda hard for the Eagles, who have never won a super bowl, to have beaten the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.  Dallas won the super bowl in 1992 so your date is wrong also. 

[LA HAWG]

Here is a breakdown of Super Bowl appearances by decade.  We will throw the 60's out since there were only three and neither Dallas nor Pittsburgh played in any of them.

70s--Dallas 5  Pittsburgh 3
80s--Dallas 0  Pittsburgh 1 (1980)
90s--Dallas 3 Pittsburgh 1
00s--Dallas 0 (so far) Pittsburgh 1

As you can see Dallas won the 70s and the 90s and neither team did much of anything in the 80s.

Pretty clear who the dominant franchise is, the Cowboys.

[McKdaddy]

Why hasn't anyone brought up overall win % in the time since all have been in existence?  I'd do it myself but am too lazy.

[Boared]

Here is a breakdown of Super Bowl appearances by decade.  We will throw the 60's out since there were only three and neither Dallas nor Pittsburgh played in any of them.

70s--Dallas 5  Pittsburgh 3
80s--Dallas 0  Pittsburgh 1 (1980)
90s--Dallas 3 Pittsburgh 1
00s--Dallas 0 (so far) Pittsburgh 1

As you can see Dallas won the 70s and the 90s and neither team did much of anything in the 80s.

Pretty clear who the dominant franchise is, the Cowboys.

Dallas didn't "win the 70's." Pittsburgh won more super bowls than Dallas did during that decade.
Pittsburgh: team of the 70's
San Fran: team of the 80''s
Dallas: team of the 90's
Pats: team of the 00's

I think that Dallas is probably the best overall franchise due to the # of super bowls they've appeared in + their # of super bowl victories.

[Squealers]

Hummmm, I think I will go with the New Orleans Saints









hehehehehe

[ThunderHog]

If you base the best franchise on value, then according to Forbes magazine, the Redskins would be at the top of the list.  They are worth 1 BILLION $$$ !!!  The Cowboys are worth about 800 million.

[dmhog v2.0]

Check out the poll about halfway down the page. This is what 30,000 other people think.

[McKdaddy]

Why is Dallas, 5-3 in SB's, getting knocked for only being 5-3 whereas PIT and SF get the love for have lost fewer?
Kind of like how duke got raked over the coals for getting to the final 4 but not winning one from '86-'90.  I've always said that I'd like my team to get there on a consistent basis even if they don't win--that's got to count for something.  I feel for the Bills, the franchise should be proud of their achievement, even if it is a dubious one.