Win at all cost

[lilRockNDubb]

For those who are taking this out of context..

Win at all cost is what got programs such as SMU, USC, Miami, tOSU and now Ole Miss in trouble. Win at all cost is what got Pitino fired. Win at all cost is what get show causes on coaches like Chip Kelly, Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson, Donnie Tyndall, Bo Davis, etc. When Jeff Long said this isn't a "win at all cost program" he's saying this program isn't going to cheat to win. We're not going to pay bills, give X amount of spending $, we're not going to give keys to vehicles, buy homes, give out escorts. We're Arkansas and we're going to run a clean program and not be under investigation. Between the money and gifts being handed out at Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSState, and Florida just in the SEC alone, we already have a hard enough time recruiting. What do you think would happen to this program if we're caught doing any of these things and scholarships are pulled and/or post season tourneys and bowl games are pulled? Some folks need to open their eyes and get there heads out their.. out of the sand.
THAT is what Jeff Long means by not "win at all cost"

Some are so stuck on their own agendas that they don't see the bigger picture. Is football where it should be? No. Are we going to risk going further down the rabbit hole and get people around the program that will "win at all cost" and turn the program into Baylor or Ole Miss?? Arkansas can't afford the risk.

[HoggyCat]

To win at all costs, first you must win........

[East Clintwood]

Jeffy may state the we're not a win at all cost program and that's fine.

What Jeffy's actions indicate though is that we're a winning doesn't matter program and that's not fine.

Jeff Long needs to go.  Now.

[HawgLife]

Jeffy may state the we're not a win at all cost program and that's fine.

What Jeffy's actions indicate though is that we're a winning doesn't matter program and that's not fine.

Jeff Long needs to go.  Now.

Which actions? Not firing a coach in the middle of the season? Not throwing the coach under the bus during the season?

[jgphillips3]

Which actions? Not firing a coach in the middle of the season? Not throwing the coach under the bus during the season?

Sure.  Those things aren't good.  However, when you suck is NOT the time to talk about what you won't do to win.  He brought this on himself by aluding to "those" programs but without being more specific.  He could have simply said "we are never going to cheat in order to win but we are going to do everything in our power on this side of the line to get there.  If you are winning 9 or 10 games a year, you can throw the "not a win at all cost" thing out there all casual like...because you are in fact winning.  When you are sucking is NOT the time to say that in that manner.

[TuskFexas]

I have daughter that will likely be attending UofA in the near future.  I would hate to see us become a "win at all cost" program. 
There needs to be accountability from the senior players all the way up to the AD both on and off the field.

Right now it seems like we only have the latter.  We can have both and still compete at a high level. 

We need a coach that elite skill players want to play for, not because they think they will have it easy, but because they know they will have a great chance to succeed.

That was the recipe last time we were competitive in the SEC.  BP's class rankings were par for the coarse, but in most games we played(excluding year 1) we had the best QB, WRs, and RBs on the field.  Combine that with a good game plan and great play calling and you will always have a good chance to win.

[KennyForAD]

For those who are taking this out of context..

Win at all cost is what got programs such as SMU, USC, Miami, tOSU and now Ole Miss in trouble. Win at all cost is what got Pitino fired. Win at all cost is what get show causes on coaches like Chip Kelly, Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson, Donnie Tyndall, Bo Davis, etc. When Jeff Long said this isn't a "win at all cost program" he's saying this program isn't going to cheat to win. We're not going to pay bills, give X amount of spending $, we're not going to give keys to vehicles, buy homes, give out escorts. We're Arkansas and we're going to run a clean program and not be under investigation. Between the money and gifts being handed out at Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSState, and Florida just in the SEC alone, we already have a hard enough time recruiting. What do you think would happen to this program if we're caught doing any of these things and scholarships are pulled and/or post season tourneys and bowl games are pulled? Some folks need to open their eyes and get there heads out their.. out of the sand.
THAT is what Jeff Long means by not "win at all cost"

Some are so stuck on their own agendas that they don't see the bigger picture. Is football where it should be? No. Are we going to risk going further down the rabbit hole and get people around the program that will "win at all cost" and turn the program into Baylor or Ole Miss?? Arkansas can't afford the risk.

No it is not!  The only cheating Petrino was doing was on his wife.  We weren't a dirty program.   Cheating isn't even in the DISCUSSION.   The 'costs' of Petrino were having a coach whose morals and behavior was EMBARRASSING.   No one is out there saying that we should start buying players like Auburn bought Cam Newton.   Your position is so crazy wrong its hard not to call you a liar.   Maybe you believe what you said, but .. it makes no sense at all and is anything but the truth.

[Bacons Rebellion]

...  No one is out there saying that we should start buying players like Auburn bought Cam Newton.   ...

No one? Sure there are. That's said "out there" all the time and has been for as long as I've been reading college football message boards (20 years)

[The_Iceman]

To me, "Win at all Costs" includes the rape and sexual assault of young women, like it did at Baylor under Art Briles.

So count me as one who is glad that Jeff Long said we are not a win at all coat program.

[Porkchop#1]

For those who are taking this out of context..

Win at all cost is what got programs such as SMU, USC, Miami, tOSU and now Ole Miss in trouble. Win at all cost is what got Pitino fired. we're not going to give keys to vehicles, buy homes, give out escorts. We're Arkansas and we're going to run a clean program and not be under investigation. Between the money and gifts being handed out at Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSState, and Florida just in the SEC alone, we already have a hard enough time recruiting.  Are we going to risk going further down the rabbit hole and get people around the program that will "win at all cost" and turn the program into Baylor or Ole Miss?? Arkansas can't afford the risk.

Exactly, let's just leave things the way the are.  Things are going pretty well right now.  We almost beat A&M.  And the bama score was close, so close, at kickoff anyways.

[Hawghiggs]

 We could be like UNC and give everyone a bunch of fake classes.

[hawgon]

For those who are taking this out of context..

Win at all cost is what got programs such as SMU, USC, Miami, tOSU and now Ole Miss in trouble. Win at all cost is what got Pitino fired. Win at all cost is what get show causes on coaches like Chip Kelly, Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson, Donnie Tyndall, Bo Davis, etc. When Jeff Long said this isn't a "win at all cost program" he's saying this program isn't going to cheat to win. We're not going to pay bills, give X amount of spending $, we're not going to give keys to vehicles, buy homes, give out escorts. We're Arkansas and we're going to run a clean program and not be under investigation. Between the money and gifts being handed out at Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSState, and Florida just in the SEC alone, we already have a hard enough time recruiting. What do you think would happen to this program if we're caught doing any of these things and scholarships are pulled and/or post season tourneys and bowl games are pulled? Some folks need to open their eyes and get there heads out their.. out of the sand.
THAT is what Jeff Long means by not "win at all cost"

Some are so stuck on their own agendas that they don't see the bigger picture. Is football where it should be? No. Are we going to risk going further down the rabbit hole and get people around the program that will "win at all cost" and turn the program into Baylor or Ole Miss?? Arkansas can't afford the risk.

When has Arkansas EVER been that kind of program?  Who EVER asked us to become this sort of program?  What person OTHER THAN JEFF LONG has ever mentioned such as even a possibility?

[hawgon]

To me, "Win at all Costs" includes the rape and sexual assault of young women, like it did at Baylor under Art Briles.

So count me as one who is glad that Jeff Long said we are not a win at all coat program.

Oh, well now, Jeff Long can ignore and cover up the rape of a coed with the best of them.

[clew]

What does this mean exactly?  I think what you mean is you would hate for us to get caught with multiple cheating violations, correct?

It doesn't take a winning program to get caught cheating... you can have crappy results and still get hit with violations.  So let's not be naive and make the ignorant assumption that winning programs are the only ones actually playing to win. 

Just ask Rutgers.

Just ask Ole Miss. they didn't win squat.

[Kevin]

win at all cost does not necessarily mean cheat, & cover up crimes by the players.

why can't we have as many support people in the program as bama does. they have like 15 football analyst to our 4.

can we not at least be on the same field with them on personal

[harrisburghog]

@jefflongUA: "I believe in ICA & Higher Ed there are ideals more important than Wins & Losses. If the leaders don't set the example...who will?"

[Uberanubis]

To me, "Win at all Costs" includes the rape and sexual assault of young women, like it did at Baylor under Art Briles.

So count me as one who is glad that Jeff Long said we are not a win at all coat program.

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Oh, well now, Jeff Long can ignore and cover up the rape of a coed with the best of them.

this is a very bold statement care to elaborate?

[harrisburghog]

Barry Switzer

"For some schools, it's not all about winning and losing. But that's all it should be about."

[HardCore]

Which actions? Not firing a coach in the middle of the season? Not throwing the coach under the bus during the season?

Don't have to fire mid-season, but that does not mean he cannot sign a new coach in the middle of the season.  Cut Brett off on January 2nd in accordance with his contract terms.

Look at the spreadsheet, there are potentially 5-7 coaches just in the SEC alone which could be fired this year.  That is 5-7 other AD's that will be out vetting the pool of "available" or "up-n-comer" coaches out there. 

The time to begin negotiating for one of those coaches was 3 weeks ago.

I doubt Jeffy has even touched the telephone yet.  He only had 8 months to find our last coach......he didn't even get started until after Thanksgiving.....and there in lies the result.

[jneal56]

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this is a very bold statement care to elaborate?

I've read similar statements like that on here and the only thing I was given was a link to an article about the Basketball team when Nick Mason was playing. They were accused but never charged so maybe that is what he is alluding to.

[RagingHawgOn]

OP is dead-on.

The hate for Jeff Long is baffling to me. Incredulous actually.

And, all because a bunch of "grown-ups" are pissed that 3 hours of their Saturday don't go as planned.  Good gawd. Get a life.

[harrisburghog]

OP is dead-on.

The hate for Jeff Long is baffling to me. Incredulous actually.

And, all because a bunch of "grown-ups" are pissed that 3 hours of their Saturday don't go as planned.  Good gawd. Get a life.

Looks like you've placed yourself in that bunch "grown ups" who need to get a life by posting in this thread.

[hawg IQ]

please, please..please , Nobody wants Arkansas to cheat !   But we do want Jeff Long to do a good job, which does not consist of everything being about Jeff Long.  Ask yourself which of two has increased by gaining national  attention more, the razorbacks or Jeff Long ?

Its not about cheating, It is about having or  becoming the best program possible. has that happened, no no it hasn't !  The buck stops where ?  of course at the AD.   Nobody other than this man should or could demand the program to be clean, but also competitive. How does he gauge or seek feedback from BB or publicly stated expectations toward the head coach.   IF BB is not doing a good job, then J Long isn't either.  At present Mr. Long has two strikes against him, if Football season is a bust like below .500 Long, Beilema, the whole mess needs cleaned up or the fans will quit and Hog football program will die.

[Poker_hog]

OP is dead-on.

The hate for Jeff Long is baffling to me. Incredulous actually.

And, all because a bunch of "grown-ups" are pissed that 3 hours of their Saturday don't go as planned.  Good gawd. Get a life.

That's fine but don't charge a thousand dollars or more for good season tickets if it's not about winning. 

[hawgon]

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this is a very bold statement care to elaborate?

His old are you, ten?  You don't remember half the basketball team raping a coed 2009ish?  Her father had some choice words for Pastor Long's handling of the affair.

[ricepig]

Don't have to fire mid-season, but that does not mean he cannot sign a new coach in the middle of the season.  Cut Brett off on January 2nd in accordance with his contract terms.

Look at the spreadsheet, there are potentially 5-7 coaches just in the SEC alone which could be fired this year.  That is 5-7 other AD's that will be out vetting the pool of "available" or "up-n-comer" coaches out there. 

The time to begin negotiating for one of those coaches was 3 weeks ago.

I doubt Jeffy has even touched the telephone yet.  He only had 8 months to find our last coach......he didn't even get started until after Thanksgiving.....and there in lies the result.

So....who is he to sign in mid-season? You do understand contracts, I assume?

[ricepig]

That's fine but don't charge a thousand dollars or more for good season tickets if it's not about winning. 

Don't pay it it's too high, seems simple.

[rtr]

When has Arkansas EVER been that kind of program?  Who EVER asked us to become this sort of program?  What person OTHER THAN JEFF LONG has ever mentioned such as even a possibility?

Exactly, Arkansas has been about as clean as any program can be.  No one should lecture us. 

[ricepig]

I've read similar statements like that on here and the only thing I was given was a link to an article about the Basketball team when Nick Mason was playing. They were accused but never charged so maybe that is what he is alluding to.

So, naturally, it's a coverup........Long has power over the D.A..........

[Drop the Mike]

I don't think there is any doubt we are not a win at any cost program. Quite the opposite really, having paid BB over 20 million to post a 27-30 record

[The_Iceman]

I've read similar statements like that on here and the only thing I was given was a link to an article about the Basketball team when Nick Mason was playing. They were accused but never charged so maybe that is what he is alluding to.

I know some guys who were at that party and are real familiar with the situation. What happened was not rape at all, and to say so is out of ignorance.

[TrueBlue]

As much as we have paid Bielema, we are a "Lose at all cost" program.

[The_Iceman]

His old are you, ten?  You don't remember half the basketball team raping a coed 2009ish?  Her father had some choice words for Pastor Long's handling of the affair.

Of course daddy's little girl isn't going to say she enjoyed taking 3 basketball players up at a frat boys room for a little fun. Which is exactly why when there was am investigation and witnesses were questioned, the case fell apart. Rape is rape. Regret is not rape. And as someone who knows a girl that was raped, cases like these hurt her chances at justice.

[jkstock04]

When has Arkansas EVER been that kind of program?  Who EVER asked us to become this sort of program?  What person OTHER THAN JEFF LONG has ever mentioned such as even a possibility?

If you asked Jeff I would wager he would say we were in the Nutt years and Petrino years. After all, his biggest regret of all while at Arkansas were the Petrino years.

In those days we played the best players we could, took some chances on character and grades. Easily that's gotta be "win at all costs."

[hogsanity]

OP is dead-on.

The hate for Jeff Long is baffling to me. Incredulous actually.

And, all because a bunch of "grown-ups" are pissed that 3 hours of their Saturday don't go as planned.  Good gawd. Get a life.

When it is all you have in life, that is what you get, and it is obvious by the way they act hog football is all they have. Well, they probably still hang out at the old HS on Friday nights talking about the 3 td's they scored their SR year during their glorious run to a 2-7 record.

They remind me of the guy at the drive in in Friday Night Lights where he wants a picture of his baby with the HS Qb and then proceeds to talk about how that will be the best time of their life. If your life peaked at 17 or 18, well, so sad.

[younghog]

You guys are on another planet if you actually think Jeff Long will be asked to leave the UofA..

His accomplishments out weigh your perception.

GO HOGS

[Karma]

To win at all costs, first you must win........

Actually to win at all costs you must first sacrifice something you deem important for the sake of winning.

[jkstock04]

OP is dead-on.

The hate for Jeff Long is baffling to me. Incredulous actually.

And, all because a bunch of "grown-ups" are pissed that 3 hours of their Saturday don't go as planned.  Good gawd. Get a life.

I realize most people on the internet don't go to games, much less contribute to the foundation and buy tickets. But just so you understand...the 60k plus people that do go to every game and cheer and have so for years on end...that is a big part of their lives.

I know that's probably above your head because that's not what you do, but you should understand there are a lot of others that do...regardless how dumb you consider it.

Jeff Long insinuating to these people that winning doesn't matter as long as the tight end is on the academic honor roll is a big load of horse s**t. Plain and simple.

[hogsanity]

I realize most people on the internet don't go to games, much less contribute to the foundation and buy tickets. But just so you understand...the 60k plus people that do go to every game and cheer and have so for years on end...that is a big part of their lives.

I know that's probably above your head because that's not what you do, but you should understand there are a lot of others that do...regardless how dumb you consider it.

Jeff Long insinuating to these people that winning doesn't matter as long as the tight end is on the academic honor roll is a big load of horse s**t. Plain and simple.

Your rant only shows exactly what the guy you were replying to is saying. The people you describe try to derive way too much value from what the team does a few Saturdays every fall.

[Hogwild]

To quote Bob Devaney

"I don't expect to win enough games to be put on NCAA probation. I just want to win enough to warrant an investigation."

[greenie]

Actually to win at all costs you must first sacrifice something you deem important for the sake of winning.

+1

People are venting on this board...understandable.  I don't expect Jeff Long will be asked to leave anytime soon.  The extrapolation of Long's "win at all cost" statement into something that means he doesn't care if we win or not, is based on emotion not reason, as far as I can tell.

[Redhogs]

Great this again...how original. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. There are many programs around the country to prove this....just stop. Another lame excuse, and a poor one at that.

[ATU HOG]

So 5 out of the 119+ FBS schools are "win at all cost" in football and less than 10% in all of college athletics.  How many ADs are talking about how they are not like the less than 10% that are "win at all cost"

[RagingHawgOn]

I realize most people on the internet don't go to games, much less contribute to the foundation and buy tickets. But just so you understand...the 60k plus people that do go to every game and cheer and have so for years on end...that is a big part of their lives.

I know that's probably above your head because that's not what you do, but you should understand there are a lot of others that do...regardless how dumb you consider it.

Jeff Long insinuating to these people that winning doesn't matter as long as the tight end is on the academic honor roll is a big load of horse s**t. Plain and simple.

You might want to quit talking our of your ass about things you know nothing about.  I've been a contributing season ticket holder for 23 years and have missed exactly 3 home games.  Any more words of wisdom?

[lilRockNDubb]

Exactly, let's just leave things the way the are.  Things are going pretty well right now.  We almost beat A&M.  And the bama score was close, so close, at kickoff anyways.

Not saying there shouldn't be change. Bielema isn't getting it done. He's a great guy and a good coach but he's not the man for Arkansas. I'm saying the U of A is a clean program (all programs) and that's what Jeff wants and that's what everyone should want. We could be like another SECw team and get a new coach start winning and having top 10 recruiting classes and then be under investigation for paying players and having escorts. Would those wins be that worth it?

[EastexHawg]

When it is all you have in life, that is what you get, and it is obvious by the way they act hog football is all they have. Well, they probably still hang out at the old HS on Friday nights talking about the 3 td's they scored their SR year during their glorious run to a 2-7 record.

They remind me of the guy at the drive in in Friday Night Lights where he wants a picture of his baby with the HS Qb and then proceeds to talk about how that will be the best time of their life. If your life peaked at 17 or 18, well, so sad.

You know what you remind me of?  A guy who makes 42,250 posts on an Arkansas football message board and then makes fun of people who spend too much of their lives worrying about Arkansas football.

[Drop the Mike]

You know what you remind me of?  A guy who makes 42,250 posts on an Arkansas football message board and then makes fun of people who spend too much of their lives worrying about Arkansas football.

Yea he walked right into that one

[lilRockNDubb]

This is a steaming pile.

Let's talk about... oh, I don't know...         ALEX COLLINS.

So lilRockNDubb - Since we're talking about 'A Clean Program' as you put it above... surely you can confirm for everyone you're trying to reach with this position statement that you FIRMLY BELIEVE Arkansas kept everything above the table when recruiting and signing this young man to play football.
You can do that, right?

Just because the losers we have leading the program aren't any good at it as a whole, doesn't mean they're not in fact trying.  They're definitely trying to play the game everyone KNOWS you play to try and win in the SEC.

You know, other apologists around here have pointed to Bert's 'better recruiting' on paper than his predecessors.  Do you think that's because he's such a swell fella and moms everywhere love him?

Get people's heads out of the sand, huh.  Get real, snowflake.

Far from a snowflake.

Well for one... AC's mom didn't love Bielema or the Razorbacks.

Hmmm.. a mother runs off with a LOI because it didn't say Miami on it. All the other schools in Florida and the mother just wanted him to go to Miami? Alex point blank was sold on going to Wisconsin because he was sold on Bielema as a man. That's why Collins was here. If you're trying to insinuate Collins got paid from Arkansas then why on earth was momma so intent on him going to Miami?

I'm not a Bret apologist. He's a great guy and a good coach. A guy you can have a beer with. He's just not the right man for AR.

You don't think he's a "swell fella" ask Frank what he thinks of the man. Oh.. with him being from Minnesota coming to AR I'm guessing you think he got paid too.

And yes. I can confirm..

[EastexHawg]

When has Arkansas EVER been that kind of program?  Who EVER asked us to become this sort of program?  What person OTHER THAN JEFF LONG has ever mentioned such as even a possibility?

What else is Long going to say?  "Yes, I have DIRECTED this football program all the way to the bottom of the SEC, now shut up and send me your money"?  Of course you are right, Arkansas has never been a win at all costs program, a dirty program, or anything close to that.  Long is once again patting himself on the back as a way to excuse his own ineptitude and that of his most important program.  We can't get rid of that loser fast enough.

[hogsanity]

What else is Long going to say?  "Yes, I have DIRECTED this football program all the way to the bottom of the SEC, now shut up and send me your money"?  Of course you are right, Arkansas has never been a win at all costs program, a dirty program, or anything close to that.  Long is once again patting himself on the back as a way to excuse his own ineptitude and that of his most important program.  We can't get rid of that loser fast enough.

And again your need for the FUHBAWL team to win to some how validate yourself is making it impossible for you to see Long has done a great job doing his JOB- RUNNING THE ENTIRE ATHLETIC DEPT. I realize you feel most of the athletes at the UofA are worthless worms since they do not play fuhbawl, but thankfully those in control realize Long has done a great job AT HIS JOB. Winning fuhbawl games is not his job. At some point the guy who's job it is to do that will answer to his bosses, BB will either win enough to keep them happy or he will be let go.