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Channel 11 reporting a Mt. lion killed in Bradley county.

Started by pigture perfect, November 13, 2014, 04:29:07 pm

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pigture perfect

148 lb. male. Shot by a hunter from Louisianna near the town of Hermitage. I can't post a link for some reason.
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twistitup

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RazorbackRon

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RazorbackRon

MY personal opinion is the man should not have killed the cat, unless he was under attack (he says he felt threatened but I don't believe that).  Again,  just my opinion and no, I don't think a mountain lion should be killed just to prove that they do exist in AR.
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95_alum

Mr. Ramer better get a lawyer ASAP. Me thinks he's gonna get hosed.

jrulz83

Quote from: RazorbackRon on November 13, 2014, 05:06:09 pm
MY personal opinion is the man should not have killed the cat, unless he was under attack (he says he felt threatened but I don't believe that).  Again,  just my opinion and no, I don't think a mountain lion should be killed just to prove that they do exist in AR.

After reading the story, it didn't sound like the cat was doing anything but walking through the woods. There are probably more details to come, but at this time I would agree with your opinion.
Lenin is cautiously optimistic.

clutch

Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 13, 2014, 06:54:14 pm
I doubt it based on this ...

The hunter, Douglas W. Ramer, 62, of Bastrop, Louisiana, told wildlife officers the mountain lion was moving toward his deer stand and he felt threatened. According to Arkansas Game and Fish Commission regulations, non-game wildlife (except migratory birds and endangered species) that present a reasonable threat to people or property may be shot during daylight hours or trapped without a depredation permit.



Think it'd be hard to prove either way. Doubt anything happens.

ErieHog

Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 13, 2014, 06:54:14 pm
I doubt it based on this ...

The hunter, Douglas W. Ramer, 62, of Bastrop, Louisiana, told wildlife officers the mountain lion was moving toward his deer stand and he felt threatened. According to Arkansas Game and Fish Commission regulations, non-game wildlife (except migratory birds and endangered species) that present a reasonable threat to people or property may be shot during daylight hours or trapped without a depredation permit.



I would hope not.   There isn't a greater collection of anti-hunter darn, than the AGFC. 
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

95_alum

AGFC will be taking a look at the distance, obstructions, entry/exit, number of shots...
Lie detector?

pigture perfect

I hate that he killed it as well. They are beautiful animals that are usually more afraid of humans than we are of them.
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JIMMY BOARFFETT

The hunter was from Louisiana....what else do you need to know for a conviction?  He had gumbo on his mind and you can't deny that.
My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating.

LSUFan

Quote from: JIMMY BOARFFETT on November 13, 2014, 11:53:57 pm
The hunter was from Louisiana....what else do you need to know for a conviction?  He had gumbo on his mind and you can't deny that.
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LSUFan

Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 13, 2014, 06:54:14 pm
I doubt it based on this ...

The hunter, Douglas W. Ramer, 62, of Bastrop, Louisiana, told wildlife officers the mountain lion was moving toward his deer stand and he felt threatened. According to Arkansas Game and Fish Commission regulations, non-game wildlife (except migratory birds and endangered species) that present a reasonable threat to people or property may be shot during daylight hours or trapped without a depredation permit.
I always thought D lived in Hotlanta and was younger?
I ain't saying you babysitting, but my kids are all over your couch.

Quote from: JIMMY BOARFFETT on August 17, 2015, 02:46:52 pm
Sometimes, I think you're a wine-o who found a laptop in a dumpster.

 

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LSUFan

Quote from: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 14, 2014, 12:05:04 am
Going to see you this weekend?
I'm in Benton, tryin to hook up with Rev. Hide yo chiddren, hide yo wife :)
I ain't saying you babysitting, but my kids are all over your couch.

Quote from: JIMMY BOARFFETT on August 17, 2015, 02:46:52 pm
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Rzbakfromwaybak

Guess the AGFC will exam the lion, & tell us he wasn't breeding anywhere around here.

One thing for sure, this one won't be breeding anymore....


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Ugly Uncle

Quote from: pigture perfect on November 13, 2014, 11:32:53 pm
I hate that he killed it as well. They are beautiful animals that are usually more afraid of humans than we are of them.

I'm not sure I would want that thing running around near my deer stand though.
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ErieHog

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

PonderinHog

There are no longer any mountain lions in Arkansas...

kodiakisland

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grayhawg

The caucus was given to Ark Game and fish, and they will send hair samples to a lab in Montana for DNA testing to try and determine where the lion was born. I guess they thinking it was just passing through.

http://5newsonline.com/2014/11/13/hunter-kills-mountain-lion-in-bradley-county/

PonderinHog

Quote from: grayhawg on November 14, 2014, 09:54:24 am
The caucus was given to Ark Game and fish, and they will send hair samples to a lab in Montana for DNA testing to try and determine where the lion was born. I guess they thinking it was just passing through.

http://5newsonline.com/2014/11/13/hunter-kills-mountain-lion-in-bradley-county/
Will their decision be final or will they given the opportunity to change their vote ???

RazorbackRon

Quote from: grayhawg on November 14, 2014, 09:54:24 am
The caucus was given to Ark Game and fish, and they will send hair samples to a lab in Montana for DNA testing to try and determine where the lion was born. I guess they thinking it was just passing through.

http://5newsonline.com/2014/11/13/hunter-kills-mountain-lion-in-bradley-county/

Maybe they can also determine if it was a black panther who just changed winter coats.
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This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet.

 

DeltaBoy

LOL after 40 years of denials and calling us crazy someone finally shot one.   
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jrulz83

Hahaha AGFC saying the cougar may have moved into the area from Texas, but that there is no breeding population in Arkansas. There have been five sightings in Arkansas in the last five years, but they aren't breeding..... I guess the cougars spay and neuter themselves before they cross the border into Arkansas. Why are they so scared of this?

Lenin is cautiously optimistic.

ErieHog

Quote from: jrulz83 on November 14, 2014, 11:02:20 am
Hahaha AGFC saying the cougar may have moved into the area from Texas, but that there is no breeding population in Arkansas. There have been five sightings in Arkansas in the last five years, but they aren't breeding..... I guess the cougars spay and neuter themselves before they cross the border into Arkansas. Why are they so scared of this?



Writing a wildlife management plan, creating regs, hunting guidelines, monitoring habitat and population....sounds like a lot of work for the AGFC, without any additional money.    They can't be bothered.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jrulz83

Quote from: ErieHog on November 14, 2014, 11:06:12 am
Writing a wildlife management plan, creating regs, hunting guidelines, monitoring habitat and population....sounds like a lot of work for the AGFC, without any additional money.    They can't be bothered.

You mean they would have to do their job? The horrors!

I love watching political/government bodies twist in their seats. It's good for the people when they're uncomfortable.
Lenin is cautiously optimistic.

oldman1015

Quote from: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 14, 2014, 12:43:26 am
I'm not sure I would want that thing running around near my deer stand though.
just don't call game and fish.
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MJ2

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 14, 2014, 10:16:19 am
LOL after 40 years of denials and calling us crazy someone finally shot one.   

Bigfoot next?

grayhawg

Quote from: MJ2 on November 14, 2014, 01:28:21 pm
Bigfoot next?
I have seen a Mountain Lion while hunting but no Bigfoot, so I still think Bigfoot is a very bad joke. Which is helping The Animal Planet network make money.

cowboy_hawg

The lion is going to feed on some type of animal, domestic or wild.  Pretty sure when it is hungry it will kill what is available, be it dog, cat, calf, cow, foal, horse, fawn, deer, turkey or maybe someone's child.  I could be wrong, maybe they are vegetarians.
cowboy_hawg

pigsooie4life

I've seen a cat while hunting over in madison county. When I first saw it,  I wasn't even sure what it was. It came within 30 yards of my stand before finally looking right up at me then running off exactly like a deer would. That was 2 years ago. The fact that the agfc has denied their existence in the state is a joke. Also seriously doubt the hunter had to shoot it. He could of just let his presence be known and it would of run off. 

pigture perfect

Quote from: PEtrader on November 14, 2014, 06:38:16 am
Lsufan,  or the lion?
Lsufan. Deer are more afraid of the scent of scorched corndogs than they are of Mt. Lion pee.
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bulldog04

We don't want this.  The state will spend millions of dollars on mountain lions if they are breeding in AR.  If you kill one keep it on the DL except for property owners near by.

RazorbackRon

Quote from: bulldog04 on November 16, 2014, 02:45:06 pm
We don't want this.  The state will spend millions of dollars on mountain lions if they are breeding in AR.  If you kill one keep it on the DL except for property owners near by.

sounds like poaching to me
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PorkRinds

Quote from: bulldog04 on November 16, 2014, 02:45:06 pm
We don't want this.  The state will spend millions of dollars on mountain lions if they are breeding in AR.  If you kill one keep it on the DL except for property owners near by.

I don't know that I would suggest the last sentence, but you are actually 100% right about hunters not wanting this.  Here's the deal.  If the AGFC finds breeding populations they will be required to have conservation efforts.  Places that are favorites of hunters could be completely shut down while they study the populations to find out what needs to be done.  That's the reason the AGFC denies to the bitter end.  Hunters seem to see it as the AGFC slapping them in the face for denying what they have seen, but it's really them trying to keep from having to shut down huge tracts of hunting land and losing the revenue.

pigture perfect

Quote from: PorkRinds on November 17, 2014, 09:45:39 am
I don't know that I would suggest the last sentence, but you are actually 100% right about hunters not wanting this.  Here's the deal.  If the AGFC finds breeding populations they will be required to have conservation efforts.  Places that are favorites of hunters could be completely shut down while they study the populations to find out what needs to be done.  That's the reason the AGFC denies to the bitter end.  Hunters seem to see it as the AGFC slapping them in the face for denying what they have seen, but it's really them trying to keep from having to shut down huge tracts of hunting land and losing the revenue.
Agree completely. Especially the part of not necessarily telling the neighbors. Word would travel too fast and you would get caught anyway. Looking very supisious by not telling. If he is just walking through the woods, let it go. spook it off if you can.
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JIMMY BOARFFETT

Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 17, 2014, 01:15:12 pm
Has that happened in any other states as mountain lions have expanded their habitat?

When there is an endangered species nexus, studies are done to determine "critical habitat" needed for "nesting, feeding, breeding or sheltering" for the species in question.  From there, it is determined what compatible activities can be allowed in that area.  If hunter access is determined to be detrimental to the species recovery, then it is prohibited. 

Years ago, when the bald eagle was on the endangered list, guidelines for activities around or near nest trees were developed.  It was determined that developers couldn't conduct construction activities closer than 350 feet to an eagle nest tree.  This was a guideline but it caused a lot of people to run out and cut down any suspected eagle nest trees...and getting some people in a lot of hot water.

So, yes, it could happen regarding these big cats...if there is an endangered species issue.

 
My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating.

LSUFan

Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 17, 2014, 01:15:12 pm
Has that happened in any other states as mountain lions have expanded their habitat?
La

My grandpa had one living behind his house that would feed of my GM's house cats.
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Quote from: JIMMY BOARFFETT on August 17, 2015, 02:46:52 pm
Sometimes, I think you're a wine-o who found a laptop in a dumpster.

jrulz83

Just so everybody knows, the Cougar is listed of least concern on their conservation status.

Dr. Sidmon Azibo says they're easy to care for:

Lenin is cautiously optimistic.

JIMMY BOARFFETT

November 17, 2014, 07:55:02 pm #41 Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 08:28:28 pm by JIMMY BOARFFETT
Quote from: ScottFaldon on November 17, 2014, 04:50:21 pm
But has it happened in other states?



http://www.floridapanthernet.org/index.php/handbook/threats/insufficient_large_prey/#.VGqjwvnF8tA

"During the 1980s, concerns over disturbances to panthers caused by hunting in the Big Cypress National Preserve resulted in banning the use of dogs for hunting deer and hog, shortening the hunting season by 100 days, restricting use of off road research question vehicles, and eliminating raccoon hunting at night (Maehr 1997). In the first reintroduction study in north Florida, cougars released in Osceola National Forest adapted well to their environment until hunting season began (Belden, Hagedorn, and Frankenburger 1990). After hunting season began, two of the cougars were illegally shot and the others wandered outside of their established home ranges. Biologist Chris Belden has suggested that hunting dogs were the main disturbing factor (Logan et al. 1993a)."

Yes it has.  Maybe not the wholesale closing of areas but certainly restrictions on hunting techniques and season length for deer and/or hogs.  This is only an issue if there is an endangered species issue.  In my opinion, these large cats in Arkansas are not close enough to the endangered Florida panther populations to be made illegal via the "similarity of appearance" clause in the Endangered Species Act.

I don''t have time to research articles right now, but the one I found addresses some of the issues.  I don't know of (and never heard of) wholesale closures of hunting lands due to the presence of an endangered species. According to the article in the link, hunting, alone, does not necessarily diminish the habitat for the panthers in Florida, so wholesale closures of large tracts of land should not be a necessary step in their management.

I, personally, would like to see a breeding population in Arkansas.  I think everything is in place for that to occur, i.e., large remote areas with a good deer population.
My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating.

bulldog04

Quote from: pigture perfect on November 17, 2014, 10:24:25 am
Agree completely. Especially the part of not necessarily telling the neighbors. Word would travel too fast and you would get caught anyway. Looking very supisious by not telling. If he is just walking through the woods, let it go. spook it off if you can.
Maybe tell them that it is possible a mountain is around.  I was just thinking about their pets and livestock and little Susie playing in the backyard.

LSUFan

I ain't saying you babysitting, but my kids are all over your couch.

Quote from: JIMMY BOARFFETT on August 17, 2015, 02:46:52 pm
Sometimes, I think you're a wine-o who found a laptop in a dumpster.

DeltaBoy

If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

DOGALUM

I agree about not telling AGFC....and about not telling neighbors.   But I wholeheartedly disagree about spooking it and letting it walk.  Put it down where it is. 
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RazorbackRon

Quote from: DOGALUM on November 18, 2014, 10:38:15 am
I agree about not telling AGFC....and about not telling neighbors.   But I wholeheartedly disagree about spooking it and letting it walk.  Put it down where it is. 

Why?
Everyone is someone else's weirdo

This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet.

str8volfan

if you guys only knew the whole story.....

this cat was killed on my lease.

JIMMY BOARFFETT

My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating.

Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: str8volfan on November 29, 2014, 11:18:36 pm

if you guys only knew the whole story.....

this cat was killed on my lease.


Ok.....we want to know the whole story.  Please, go ahead.
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