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What would the purse need to look like to attract a coach of Malazahns caliber?

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Sourpuss

I'll bet he won't budge for less than $5 large.  May be playing us. Been done before. 

SquidBilly

We should not give him $5 million dollars.  Plenty of other good options could be had for less.

 

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PorkSoda

Quote from: Bret Squealema on November 17, 2017, 01:43:43 pm
We should not give him $5 million dollars.  Plenty of other good options could be had for less.
it would take 6 minimum IMO.  he ain't leaving a contender for pocket change.
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GuvHog

Anything over 5 Million a year is insanely stupid. He isn't worth that much.
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PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 01:46:30 pm
Anything over 5 Million a year is insanely stupid. He isn't worth that much.
do you want to win?

Saban - 11.1
Dabo - 8.5
harbaugh 7.0
urban 6.4

if we want to be in the same sentence with those teams like auburn is about to be.

we gotta put malzahn in the same tax bracket.

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Sourpuss

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:46:05 pm
it would take 6 minimum IMO.  he ain't leaving a contender for pocket change.
kind of my thinking.  Aubbie is a known quantity.  Makes it hard to believe.  He does have family here so that makes it more believable.  Does anyone in the know, know for certain if he is renting or if he has purchased a home there.  Just one more little tidbit that might end up figuring in to all this.  His wife has family too I'm told and wants to come back.

GuvHog

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:47:23 pm
do you want to win?



Yes, but he isn't worth 5 Million a year. Norvell or Venables would be just as good at 4.5 Million a year.
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HF#1

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 01:49:39 pm
Yes, but he isn't worth 5 Million a year. Norvell or Venables would be just as good at 4.5 Million a year.

Tell me how Norvell would be just as good?
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Sourpuss

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:46:58 pm
he already makes 4.7 and will likely get a raise after this year.
but is $4.7 the same there as it is here.  I don't know how $4.7 million would stretch there compared to here where you could live really really well.  What is the cost of living there v NWA?

PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 01:49:39 pm
Yes, but he isn't worth 5 Million a year. Norvell or Venables would be just as good at 4.5 Million a year.
lol, gus isn't worth 5 but a complete unknown is worth 4.5?

like I said, if we want to win and we want gus then its going to take putting his salary up there with urban and harbough
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HF#1

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:52:15 pm
lol, gus isn't worth 5 but a complete unknown is worth 4.5?

lulz.  like I said, if we want to win and we want gus then its going to take putting his salary up there with urban and harbough

Exactly.
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Sourpuss

I think/suspect 4.5 here might feel like 5 there would have felt if he had taken the 💰.

AFWarrior83

I'm hoping he'd take $4.5M. Money is great, but supposedly Mrs. Malzhn wants out of Auburn. Happy wife, happy life. Arkansas has money, but paying more than that is just unreasonable since we aren't and never will never be a top tier football program in the SEC. I think Gus can average 8-9 wins here, and I'm ok with that, but not for an outrageous price tag.
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PorkRinds

We should just agree to not kick his arse out of Fayetteville when he fails. That should be payment enough.

Hawginj

Quote from: HF#1 on November 17, 2017, 01:51:07 pm
Tell me how Norvell would be just as good?
He would be better its not hard to comprehended its in numerous threads all over this site.

ipigsooie

No way we offer norvell 4.5. He would get around 3.   If he wins he gets a raise.

GuvHog

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:52:15 pm
lol, gus isn't worth 5 but a complete unknown is worth 4.5?

like I said, if we want to win and we want gus then its going to take putting his salary up there with urban and harbough

They aren't unknowns. Both Venables and Norvell will be hot commodities this year.

Now both Swinney and Bob Stoops are easily worth that and a lot more but not Gus.
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Hawginj

Quote from: AFWarrior83 on November 17, 2017, 01:55:19 pm
I'm hoping he'd take $4.5M. Money is great, but supposedly Mrs. Malzhn wants out of Auburn. Happy wife, happy life. Arkansas has money, but paying more than that is just unreasonable since we aren't and never will never be a top tier football program in the SEC. I think Gus can average 8-9 wins here, and I'm ok with that, but not for an outrageous price tag.
more like 7-8 wins if we are lucky

PorkSoda

Quote from: AFWarrior83 on November 17, 2017, 01:55:19 pm
I'm hoping he'd take $4.5M. Money is great, but supposedly Mrs. Malzhn wants out of Auburn. Happy wife, happy life. Arkansas has money, but paying more than that is just unreasonable since we aren't and never will never be a top tier football program in the SEC. I think Gus can average 8-9 wins here, and I'm ok with that, but not for an outrageous price tag.
so you think he would take a pay cut and leave a championship caliber program? lol, we either want to win and we pay him 6.5 to make it happen, or we want to play it conservative and we pay norvell 2.5 - 3 (he is making 1.8 right now).

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Quote from: ipigsooie on November 17, 2017, 01:56:51 pm
No way we offer norvell 4.5. He would get around 3.   If he wins he gets a raise.

Actually more like 4 Million a year. The 4.5 Million figure I used was a bit high.
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Cotton

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:47:23 pm
do you want to win?

Saban - 11.1
Dabo - 8.5
harbaugh 7.0
urban 6.4

if we want to be in the same sentence with those teams like auburn is about to be.

we gotta put malzahn in the same tax bracket.
People want a steak dinner at dollar menu prices.
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Sourpuss

Quote from: AFWarrior83 on November 17, 2017, 01:55:19 pm
I'm hoping he'd take $4.5M. Money is great, but supposedly Mrs. Malzhn wants out of Auburn. Happy wife, happy life. Arkansas has money, but paying more than that is just unreasonable since we aren't and never will never be a top tier football program in the SEC. I think Gus can average 8-9 wins here, and I'm ok with that, but not for an outrageous price tag.
I think that to entice a Malzahn type coach, it may take kind of a group effort.  We may all have to absorb a little bit of the burden.  Remember in Clint Eastwoods "High Plains Drifter" how the town,as a whole, capitulated and he had his run of the place?  How much would that be worth!?  Never pays a bill at a restaurant or for a round of golf, or cigars.  This would never fly in Alabama because of too many Bama fans but it is something that we, a humble state could offer.  Just food for thought.

GuvHog

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:57:28 pm
so you think he would take a pay cut and leave a championship caliber program? lol, we either want to win and we pay him 6.5 to make it happen, or we want to play it conservative and we pay norvell 2.5 - 3 (he is making 1.8 right now).



I just don't see the U of A offering Gus anywhere near 6.5 Million a year when they can get Norvell for maybe 4 Million a year. They won't get a good coach for much less than that.
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GuvHog

Quote from: Cotton on November 17, 2017, 02:02:17 pm
People want a steak dinner at dollar menu prices.

If Malzahn was as good as those coaches he listed, he would be worth the money but he isn't as good as those coaches.
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Quote from: Hawginj on November 17, 2017, 01:56:07 pm
He would be better its not hard to comprehended its in numerous threads all over this site.

This is rich in substance and insights. Thank you.
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If we give him too much money he's gonna start eatin' like there's no tomorrow and then he's gonna start hanging out the fabled Ben's apartment and the next thing you know he's gonna be hung up on lobsters and expensive Amish jellies and we can see where that got us. 

Keep the salary small.  Let Alabam beat them first. That will lower his price tag.  If he wins he ain't coming here anyway.  Roll the dice on him losing.

That's how I'm gonna play it at least.

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PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 02:06:57 pm
I just don't see the U of A offering Gus anywhere near 6.5 Million a year when they can get Norvell for maybe 4 Million a year. They won't get a good coach for much less than that.
I don't know if we have that kind of money either, especially now that we made a significant long term commitment to the stadium renovation.  but if we want him, that is what they will need to offer to get his attention. 
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PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 02:11:59 pm
If Malzahn was as good as those coaches he listed, he would be worth the money but he isn't as good as those coaches.
lol, he just beat #1 georgia, already has won 1 championship and got to another.  if he wins the iron bowl / SECCG he will be in the play offs again.

but yeah, he isn't that good of a coach.
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Hawginj

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:57:28 pm
so you think he would take a pay cut and leave a championship caliber program? lol, we either want to win and we pay him 6.5 to make it happen, or we want to play it conservative and we pay norvell 2.5 - 3 (he is making 1.8 right now).
but...but.. But I thought he hated Auburn and Arkansas was his dream job? I thought he wasn't just coming here for lower expectations? Damn right he'll take a pay cut or stay where he's at.

Hawginj

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 02:17:13 pm
lol, he just beat #1 georgia, already has won 1 championship and got to another.  if he wins the iron bowl / SECCG he will be in the play offs again.

but yeah, he isn't that good of a coach.
everyone knows #1 is and was Alabama sice game 1 of 2017 lol over rated Georgia who's played no one lol.

AFWarrior83

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 01:57:28 pm
so you think he would take a pay cut and leave a championship caliber program? lol, we either want to win and we pay him 6.5 to make it happen, or we want to play it conservative and we pay norvell 2.5 - 3 (he is making 1.8 right now).



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GuvHog

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 02:17:13 pm
lol, he just beat #1 georgia, already has won 1 championship and got to another.  if he wins the iron bowl / SECCG he will be in the play offs again.

but yeah, he isn't that good of a coach.

No, he's not. He isn't the caliber of coach that those that were listed are.
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Are we looking for a "man purse" for Gus or something more "long term transition"-esque?
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Quote from: Hawginj on November 17, 2017, 01:56:07 pm
He would be better its not hard to comprehended its in numerous threads all over this site.
I agree, you need to let us know why he is the better hire. Just saying he is, don't mean much. Right now you are not even fake news, you are no news.

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PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 02:20:22 pm
No, he's not. He isn't the caliber of coach that those that were listed are.
okay guv.  whatever you say. 

maybe gus gets blown out by bama and auburn ends up in some crappy bowl and they fire gus and we get him on the cheap.

or maybe he wins the iron bowl, beats georgia again, and goes to the play off.

that will put him in the same sentence with dabo and saban

oh and his team is already ranked higher than harbough and urban.

but in guv world he isn't a good coach lol.

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GuvHog

Quote from: PorkSoda on November 17, 2017, 02:25:27 pm
okay guv.  whatever you say. 

maybe gus gets blown out by bama and auburn ends up in some crappy bowl and they fire gus and we get him on the cheap.

or maybe he wins the iron bowl, beats georgia again, and goes to the play off.

that will put him in the same sentence with dabo and saban

oh and his team is already ranked higher than harbough and urban.

but in guv world he isn't a good coach lol.



He's a good coach but not as good as the other ones listed. Look at his record the last 4 years.
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If it comes to it, Norvell shouldn't sniff a $4M offer from anyone. He's been a HC at Memphis for 2 years. His resume isn't a third of what Bielema's was when we hired him, yet people are convinced he's a proven winner and worth proven money. I like the guy, but he's a bigger risk than CBB was, and the risk gets inflated in proportion to the salary.

PorkSoda

Quote from: GuvHog on November 17, 2017, 02:27:54 pm
He's a good coach but not as good as the other ones listed. Look at his record the last 4 years.
sure okay whatever you say, the iron bowl will tell the tale. 
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Hawginj

Quote from: BartIV on November 17, 2017, 02:22:09 pm
I agree, you need to let us know why he is the better hire. Just saying he is, don't mean much. Right now you are not even fake news, you are no news.
I've stated it on countless threads and I'm done repeating myself. Read is the best thing I can tell you tons of actual comparisons, stats, and info.

code red

Quote from: HF#1 on November 17, 2017, 01:51:07 pm
Tell me how Norvell would be just as good?
Agreed.  Proven winners in top conferences...ie Petrino and Mahlzan.  Spare me the CBB at wiskey crap.  He coached in a crap conference.
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Hogindasticks

You cant look at record for a coach in the SEC West...my goodness.....playing NFL teams every day ...records are not going to look at good period...nature of the beast.