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twistitup

November 17, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
I think there is a method behind the madness.

Firing the AD and allowing the football coach to be hired by the board is a power move by the money folks. After the hire is made we find an A.D. that approves of the hire and we roll on.



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Bkhardicars

November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm #1
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.
 

NuttinItUp

November 17, 2017, 07:47:22 pm #2
Quote from: Bkhardicars on November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.

If a coach has say in who the boss is, it might actually make him more likely to take the job.

I know if I could pick my own boss, I would do it.

Pecos Hog

November 17, 2017, 08:01:12 pm #3
It was a coup.   Arkansas took their program back.

Albert Einswine

November 17, 2017, 08:01:20 pm #4
If the BOT hires the coach he already knows who his boss is.
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razorbackfaninar

November 17, 2017, 08:03:10 pm #5
Quote from: twistitup on November 17, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
I think there is a method behind the madness.

Firing the AD and allowing the football coach to be hired by the board is a power move by the money folks. After the hire is made we find an A.D. that approves of the hire and we roll on.

I think that will be a tough sell to a coach who has options.  A we are showing him that his new AD, whoever that may be doesn't have any real power and he will be beholden to the whims of a BOT and the money folks who may fire him on a whim. That seems like a distinct disadvantage.  What's the point of picking your boss if you know he has no real power to do anything and your real boss is a BOT who is controlled by boosters with a lot of money who may make any kind of off the wall decision.

PorkSoda

November 17, 2017, 08:04:51 pm #6
Quote from: Albert Einswine on November 17, 2017, 08:01:20 pm
If the BOT hires the coach he already knows who his boss is.
my  thoughts exactly.

and it also frees the new AD from the responsibility of making the hire.
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Albert Einswine

November 17, 2017, 08:05:08 pm #7
Quote from: razorbackfaninar on November 17, 2017, 08:03:10 pm
I think that will be a tough sell to a coach who has options.  A we are showing him that his new AD, whoever that may be doesn't have any real power and he will be beholden to the whims of a BOT and the money folks who may fire him on a whim. That seems like a distinct disadvantage.  What's the point of picking your boss if you know he has no real power to do anything and your real boss is a BOT who is controlled by boosters with a lot of money who may make any kind of off the wall decision.


That's Auburn.
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Pecos Hog

November 17, 2017, 08:08:29 pm #8
Quote from: razorbackfaninar on November 17, 2017, 08:03:10 pm
I think that will be a tough sell to a coach who has options.  A we are showing him that his new AD, whoever that may be doesn't have any real power and he will be beholden to the whims of a BOT and the money folks who may fire him on a whim. That seems like a distinct disadvantage.  What's the point of picking your boss if you know he has no real power to do anything and your real boss is a BOT who is controlled by boosters with a lot of money who may make any kind of off the wall decision.

Your reading too much into it.   Simple actually.   The BOT and Chancellor are just re-defining the expectations for the program.   With JL it had drifted far over the lines.  I imagine they gave Jeff a choice - and he made the wrong one and paid the price.    JL lost the fans and the big boosters, and that is unacceptable.   

razorbackfaninar

November 17, 2017, 08:17:41 pm #9
Quote from: Pecos Hog on November 17, 2017, 08:08:29 pm
Your reading too much into it.   Simple actually.   The BOT and Chancellor are just re-defining the expectations for the program.   With JL it had drifted far over the lines.  I imagine they gave Jeff a choice - and he made the wrong one and paid the price.    JL lost the fans and the big boosters, and that is unacceptable.   

I don't see how any of that will matter to a potential coach who wants to know who his AD will be.  We'll be able to pay about what anyone else can pay, if youare deciding between two schools one with an established well known AD with a track record you can review, or a BOT who just fired an AD that no matter what was thought of him here, was nationally respected, who promises you can help pick and AD to be your boss.  I don't see how someone who has options would choose the BOT over an established AD.

huntindoc

November 17, 2017, 08:25:47 pm #10
A coaches boss is ultimately the Chancellor. If Steinmetz convinces any candidate that he has his back it's a moot point whether we have the AD hire in place.

Großer Kriegschwein

November 17, 2017, 08:52:11 pm #11
Quote from: Bkhardicars on November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.

Unless it's Gus.

He knows who all the boosters and administrators are. The athletic director would just be a bean counter.
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jcbville

November 17, 2017, 09:28:03 pm #12
Quote from: Pecos Hog on November 17, 2017, 08:01:12 pm
It was a coup.   Arkansas took their program back.

Or sunk it more completely...

We shall see
 

hog911

November 18, 2017, 07:28:50 am #13
Quote from: Bkhardicars on November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.
very true

parallaxpig

November 18, 2017, 07:35:53 am #14
Quote from: Bkhardicars on November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.

Recipe for disaster, but when it comes to Arkansas football whats a little controversy....
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Hogwarrior

November 18, 2017, 08:29:39 am #15
Quote from: parallaxpig on November 18, 2017, 07:35:53 am
Recipe for disaster, but when it comes to Arkansas football whats a little controversy....

I think everyone is making too big a deal out of all of this.  The AD is not the end all be all in college sports at any program.  Coaches at this level know who they must satisfy and that's the BOT/BOR and big donors.  The AD is just a link in the chain of command.  Think about it, who is most important to your success, your boss or your bosses boss?  That way you are good to go no matter who your boss is.  This AD thing is no big deal.  I guarantee you that Steinmetz and the UA has already hired a professional search firm (not a bunch of former players) and the feelers are our for the new coach.  Pro search firms are a big trend among P5 schools in both BB and FB nowadays.  Just the way they conduct business now, plus it gives the AD plausible deniability if the coach fails.

HawgWild

November 18, 2017, 08:34:24 am #16
Quote from: NuttinItUp on November 17, 2017, 07:47:22 pm
If a coach has say in who the boss is, it might actually make him more likely to take the job.

I know if I could pick my own boss, I would do it.

Conversely, wouldn't you want a say, if possible, on employees that you would be supervising?

Hogwarrior

November 18, 2017, 08:39:42 am #17
Everyone is making to big a deal out of all of this.  The attached article should help you all sleep better!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-coach-search-firms-are-they-worth-the-money/amp/

Con el Cerdos

November 18, 2017, 09:10:50 am #18
Quote from: Bkhardicars on November 17, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Just can't imagine a coach taking the job not knowing who his boss will be.

Probably right if the coach is a loser.

But an AD at a strong school with a strong program, in this case football, generally will lose any pissing match with a successful, established coach.  Especially in the SEC and maybe in other P-5 leagues.

Successful coaches are a lot harder to find than ADs.

Hogfanluvskiddies

November 18, 2017, 12:30:26 pm #19
Quote from: twistitup on November 17, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
I think there is a method behind the madness.

Firing the AD and allowing the football coach to be hired by the board is a power move by the money folks. After the hire is made we find an A.D. that approves of the hire and we roll on.

88% chance Bert is coaching the razorbacks next year.

King Kong

November 18, 2017, 12:51:10 pm #20
Quote from: Hogwarrior on November 18, 2017, 08:39:42 am
Everyone is making to big a deal out of all of this.  The attached article should help you all sleep better!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-coach-search-firms-are-they-worth-the-money/amp/

We ended up with John Pelphery. UT ended with Derek Dooley.

No I will not sleep better unless the search firm is just for background checks.
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