Real Racin'....Right Now

[Cornhogio]

F1 on CBS right now.  Not that Viagra sponsored perpetual left turn crap.

[pioneerhog]

F1 is not in anyway racing. You want to see real racing then go out to your local dirt track on a Friday or Saturday night and you will see real racing.

[Cornhogio]

F1 is not in anyway racing. You want to see real racing then go out to your local dirt track on a Friday or Saturday night and you will see real racing.

Huh?  How can you say F1's not racing? 

[pioneerhog]

Nothing with F1 is based on driver ability, the cars are not on a level playing field, I don't care what the car can do I just want to see what the driver can do. Another thing, what country are most of the F1 drivers from, I'm pretty sure it isn't the USA, and hell they only have 1 race in the US, all the others are in different countries. I for one don't really give a shitte what they do over there, I would rather watch a bunch of Americans drive.

[pioneerhog]

And another thing, this topic should be in General Sports, where all the racing discussions go on, not MMQB.

[Cornhogio]

Nothing with F1 is based on driver ability, the cars are not on a level playing field, I don't care what the car can do I just want to see what the driver can do. Another thing, what country are most of the F1 drivers from, I'm pretty sure it isn't the USA, and hell they only have 1 race in the US, all the others are in different countries. I for one don't really give a shitte what they do over there, I would rather watch a bunch of Americans drive.

Of course the cars aren't all the same.  Why on earth would you want that?  To say the drivers don't matter, well, I imagine the Michael Shumacher's of the world would take issue with that.  I would say it takes a heck of a lot more talent to drive a circuit than an oval.  I'd also be willing to bet that any driver on the F1 circuit could easily adapt to NASCAR, but the reverse is definitely not true.  Did you know that Shumacher made $80 million last year?  How much did the best driver in NASCAR pull in?  Do you supposed that they'd have paid Shumacher that much if his contributions weren't integral to the race team?  Far as all that other stuff about "over there", well, I think that speaks for itself...

Oh, and the other thing about posting on the wrong board.  I just looked the board over, and there are a few other non-Razorbacks posts here as well.

[hogsgrl09]

ahhh. that aint racin. thats stupid. lol. turn 2 fox and youll c racin! 

[Cornhogio]

Few more details...

Top in speeds:  F1 230, NASCAR 200
Car Weight:  F1 1300, NASCAR 3500
0-60:  F1  2.3 seconds, NASCAR  4.0 seconds
Cost of cars:  F1 14 million dollars, NASCAR 150 thousand dollars.   

[hogsgrl09]

  lol.

[Cornhogio]

ahhh. that aint racin. thats stupid. lol. turn 2 fox and youll c racin!

I can see why'd you'd prefer it.  They likely do mullet trims onsite at NASCAR Races. 

[Cyberhawg]

Few more details...

Top in speeds: F1 230, NASCAR 200
Car Weight: F1 1300, NASCAR 3500
0-60: F1 2.3 seconds, NASCAR 4.0 seconds
Cost of cars: F1 14 million dollars, NASCAR 150 thousand dollars.

How does an F1 car compare to an Indy Car? The Indy cars look wider and possilby a bit shorter front to rear. Also the Indy cars seem to stay with Chevy, Toyota, Honda, and a few others where as F1 seems to be alot of your more exotic automakers.

As for the racing aspect I tend to like watching Indy cars over Nascar or F1. The Formula One circuit is just like the euro soccer thing going on over there...nobody in the US really gives a rats ass but it's a big deal over there. They tend to do alot of standing starts which I understand makes things very interesting and hard for American drivers to get used to.

[Cornhogio]

Don't have stats on Indy Cars, sorry.  I think CBS coverage of F1 might help to get people interested in F1.  Far as the quality of the racing, I prefer F1, because I hate the ovals.  I remember a few years ago, Nigel Mansel from the F1 circuit retired and ran Indy for a few years.  He won the driver's championship his first year. 

[PorcineSublime]

Few more details...

Top in speeds:  F1 230, NASCAR 200
Car Weight:  F1 1300, NASCAR 3500
0-60:  F1  2.3 seconds, NASCAR  4.0 seconds
Cost of cars:  F1 14 million dollars, NASCAR 150 thousand dollars.   

In theory a NASCAR car will cost 105k, in practice no chance. Every competitive NASCAR team has millions invested and will spend 150K a year on track/wind tunnel testing. Still I do enjoy F1 racing. I haven't followed it this year, but the last few years have not exactly been competitive. Michael seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.

I would equate this to the difference between the NFL and the NBA. Both sports involve running and using a ball, but they are very different. OK, maybe that is a bit of a stretch, but not by that much.

[NuttsSacked]

I watch the go-carts...unless, of course, Bass Masters is on the tube. 

You talk about adapting.  How many open wheel drivers have competed and won in the IROC series?  How well has road course specialist Boris Said run against NASCAR'S best at Sears Point and Watkins Glen?  Robby Gordon is competitive in just about everything he drives...except a stock car.  Care to explain this? 

You're talking out your ass, Corn.  It's no wonder NASCAR is growing while CART and Indy are dying in this country. 

F1?  Who gives a shiite.  I'll watch MLS soccer first.  At least it's played on U.S. soil.

[TulsaHogFan]

I watch the go-carts...unless, of course, Bass Masters is on the tube.

You talk about adapting. How many open wheel drivers have competed and won in the IROC series? How well has road course specialist Boris Said run against NASCAR'S best at Sears Point and Watkins Glen? Robby Gordon is competitive in just about everything he drives...except a stock car. Care to explain this?

You're talking out your ass, Corn. It's no wonder NASCAR is growing while CART and Indy are dying in this country.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Good question.  I think IROC is one of the most entertaining things out there, however you always see NASCAR drivers dominating due to their experience in drafting in cars similar to this. 

Nascar is growing in part to Fox's excellent coverage, as well as the actually participants.  I mean interview a guy like Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace and you see a true sportsman, one who gives credit, but also will tell you exactly how they feel.  Also the thing i like is they feel its a team.  They always talk about how much help they got from their team.  I always love watching interviews with Nascar guys, they are a class act. 

Now i do follow a lot of racing by Schumacher (sp?) but i have always gotten more entertained by Nascar due to the style of racing and the availiability of coverage.  F1 i have never ever been really high on. 

[NuttsSacked]

I find it amusing that many consider Nascar a redneck sport.  Ten years ago I lived 7 miles from Darlington...just before the boom in attendance and revenue.  Tickets were $75 a head then.  According to the local Florence, SC newspaper, median income for Nascar fans at that time was over 60k per year.

It'll cost my family of four nearly $600.00, before expenses, to see the next Talladega race. 

Yeah, I might be a redneck, but I'm an educated redneck.  Like most Nascar fans these days, I'll make the race, but not in a Prevos motor coach.     

[Cyberhawg]

I watch the go-carts...unless, of course, Bass Masters is on the tube.

You talk about adapting. How many open wheel drivers have competed and won in the IROC series? How well has road course specialist Boris Said run against NASCAR'S best at Sears Point and Watkins Glen? Robby Gordon is competitive in just about everything he drives...except a stock car. Care to explain this?

You're talking out your ass, Corn. It's no wonder NASCAR is growing while CART and Indy are dying in this country.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Good question. I think IROC is one of the most entertaining things out there, however you always see NASCAR drivers dominating due to their experience in drafting in cars similar to this.

Nascar is growing in part to Fox's excellent coverage, as well as the actually participants. I mean interview a guy like Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace and you see a true sportsman, one who gives credit, but also will tell you exactly how they feel. Also the thing i like is they feel its a team. They always talk about how much help they got from their team. I always love watching interviews with Nascar guys, they are a class act.

Now i do follow a lot of racing by Schumacher (sp?) but i have always gotten more entertained by Nascar due to the style of racing and the availiability of coverage. F1 i have never ever been really high on.

I feel that Nascar has done a good job of picking up fans that like to find something to do on Saturdays and Sundays, they've done a great job of marketing a product much like that of the NFL and no doubt have followings from a large NFL fan base. I say this because I have many friends that tend to get together for football but not basketball or baseball and then again these same friends tend to get together for Nascar like it was equally as important as football. Unlike other sports, for the most part Nascar like the football is a by enlarge a weekend only sport and I think that has a good deal to do with it.

[tophawg19]

usually the fans of football and often basketball are nascar fans as well . the main difference in types is  f-1 the cars fuel ratio , air pressure , timing , vacum advance , spoiler angle , and weight balance are done by computer in the pits . the computer and programer control most aspects of the cars race trim . nascar - all these things can be changed only by pit stops  which don't last long enough to do these things . drivers are more important in nascar as these cars actually have to be driven by the driver with no computer assistants . the thing that makes nascar grow is the drivers accessability to the fans . the fans have easy interaction with the drivers which doesn't happen in any other major sport .

[Cornhogio]

You're talking out your ass, Corn.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Talking out my ass?  An F1 car is 15% faster, almost twice as quick, weighs less than half as much, and cost more by a factor of almost a hundred! 

Oh, I forgot, since Nasty Car's run here, it must be better... 

[NuttsSacked]

You're talking out your ass, Corn.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Talking out my ass? An F1 car is 15% faster, almost twice as quick, weighs less than half as much, and cost more by a factor of almost a hundred!

Oh, I forgot, since Nasty Car's run here, it must be better...

All that, yet F1 races aren't near as competitive.  Go figure.

[mikeirwin]

You're talking out your ass, Corn.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Talking out my ass? An F1 car is 15% faster, almost twice as quick, weighs less than half as much, and cost more by a factor of almost a hundred!

Oh, I forgot, since Nasty Car's run here, it must be better...

All that, yet F1 races aren't near as competitive. Go figure.

For one thing they can't bash into each other just for the hell of it. Do that in F1 and you'll die.
I like F1 but I don't show in on TV because there's not enough interest in it around here. I like the fact that they run a lot on real streets instead of going round and round on a circle.
I'd love to see Monaco in person just one time.

[NuttsSacked]

They go round and round so spectators can see the whole race.  That recipe seems to be working.

[hogsanity]

You're talking out your ass, Corn.

F1? Who gives a shiite. I'll watch MLS soccer first. At least it's played on U.S. soil.

Talking out my ass? An F1 car is 15% faster, almost twice as quick, weighs less than half as much, and cost more by a factor of almost a hundred!

Oh, I forgot, since Nasty Car's run here, it must be better...

Nascar, much like a Hog game in LR, is just an excuse for a bunch of people to get wasted together. 

[tophawg19]

if you want to see great racing go to a sprint car race . 850 hp in a car that weighs 1300 lbs . weight to hp ratio is the highest in racing except for drag racing .

[Cornhogio]

Well, aren't I embarrassed right now.  Michelin failed to bring suitable tires to the US Grand Prix.  All the cars that use Michelins were told by Michelin that they couldn't guarantee the driver's safety.  Consequently, the drivers using Michelins drove the warm up lap, and then went directly to the garage.  There are six cars that started the race.  If I were one of the 145k fans at the Brickyard right now, I'd be very pissed.

[tophawg19]

that type of mistake can kill a division . they may have hurt their chances in the usa.

[Cornhogio]

Apparently Michelin's getting hammered so hard on some of the feeds, that the French TV station that covers F1 has killed the feed.  Typical French:  smells bad, and quits.  In 2008, F1's trying to mandate that only one brand of tire be used.  Talk about lousy timing for Michelin!

[pioneerhog]

6 whole cars, that should have been an exciting race. There isn't 145K fans at the race, it is actually less than 100K. With only one race in the US, this should REALLY hurt F1 raceing here in the states, and that could be the understatement of the day. Also is there only 20 cars in a F1 race?