Chris Ash

[Greyhands]

I really try not to hold a grudge because when Chris Ash left we got the blessing of Rob Smith. But man it kind of punches me in the gut that he just won a NC last night........

[PorkRinds]

Do not care.

[Inhogswetrust]

I'm happy for him but Luke Fickell really runs that D I'd bet.

[Greyhands]

Do not care.

Well I didnt even think about it until Meyer came on The Herd and mentioned him

[Wildhog]

He's still a gash.

[CabotHog87]

Doesn't bother me, as it's not completely his doing at all. They've got some stud players there. And more than one defensive coach.

[kaki]

I really try not to hold a grudge because when Chris Ash left we got the blessing of Rob Smith. But man it kind of punches me in the gut that he just won a NC last night........

Never heard him mentioned last night, heard Luke's name numerous times.  Maybe he did not think he had what it took "to be Arkansas" and felt like taking the safe and easy route by riding the coat tail of Ohio State.  While it may work out for him short term, ultimately one has to measure up. 

[PorkRinds]

Never heard him mentioned last night, heard Luke's name numerous times.  Maybe he did not think he had what it took "to be Arkansas" and felt like taking the safe and easy route by riding the coat tail of Ohio State.  While it may work out for him short term, ultimately one has to measure up.

I heard his name mentioned.  He's likely a good coach, and won the NC last night with his team.  I'm betting he feels like he made the right decision.

[XX]

He's still a gash.

[tbhogfan]

Things have worked out for all concerned.  We got a great DC and he got a NC and a great line on either a DC or HC resume.

[Inhogswetrust]

I heard his name mentioned.  He's likely a good coach, and won the NC last night with his team.  I'm betting he feels like he made the right decision.

I'm betting he's ecstatic the receivers from Oregon dropped wide open passes to them in the midst of the safeties he coaches according to the OSU website.....................................I respect him but his area of coaching is not what won the game for them.

[go hogues]

Things have worked out for all concerned.  We got a great DC and he got a NC and a great line on either a DC or HC resume.

[The Hogfather]

They talked about Fickell a ton last night and acted like it was his D.  Didn't hear Ash mentioned at all.

[arkansasrazorback]

Never heard him mentioned last night, heard Luke's name numerous times.  Maybe he did not think he had what it took "to be Arkansas" and felt like taking the safe and easy route by riding the coat tail of Ohio State.  While it may work out for him short term, ultimately one has to measure up.

I'm sure he is ok with it and not upset by you thinking he took the easy way.  He has a ring.

[Raziohead]

He's just a position coach.. no big deal

Things have worked out for all concerned.  We got a great DC and he got a NC and a great line on either a DC or HC resume.

nice avatar, Weasles is one of my favorite Mothers of Invention albums

[online-with-swine]

I'd like to think he learned what not to do during his time here.

[longpig]

They talked about Fickell a ton last night and acted like it was his D.  Didn't hear Ash mentioned at all.

David Pollack credited Ash with making the Buckeye's vanilla pass rush more exotic.

[The Hogfather]

David Pollack credited Ash with making the Buckeye's vanilla pass rush more exotic.

Ok, they talked about him once.  Guess I missed it.  Just heard them talking about how Fickell was going to contain the Ducks, etc.

[Hogarusa]

I 'm happy for him but Luke Fickell really runs that D I'd bet.

I imagine you base that on nothing.

[CabotHog87]

What does it really matter? It's not like our defense is in shambles and he ran off leaving us that way only to win a championship. I'm plenty content with the way things are going here. tOSU shouldn't have been in anyway.

[PorkRinds]

What does it really matter? It's not like our defense is in shambles and he ran off leaving us that way only to win a championship. I'm plenty content with the way things are going here. tOSU shouldn't have been in anyway.

I think they pretty much proved last night that they should.  And I hate them.  They dominated.  Their QB and RB play were outstanding.  Defense was good too.  I didn't really see much of a weakness.

[Hoggish1]

I really try not to hold a grudge because when Chris Ash left we got the blessing of Rob Smith. But man it kind of punches me in the gut that he just won a NC last night........

That was Luke Fickle's D you saw last night, not Ash's.  Ash is irrelevant to Arkansas.

[CabotHog87]

I think they pretty much proved last night that they should.  And I hate them.  They dominated.  Their QB and RB play were outstanding.  Defense was good too.  I didn't really see much of a weakness.

Oh I totally agree, once they were in the playoffs they certainly earned the championship. I just mean based on their regular season resume I don't think they should've been in.

[code red]

I really try not to hold a grudge because when Chris Ash left we got the blessing of Rob Smith. But man it kind of punches me in the gut that he just won a NC last night........

Recruiting...recruiting....recruiting makes good coaches.

[Professor Psychosis]

Don't sweat it.  Decent chance Ohio State will have to vacate their championship in a few years anyway.

[LRRandy]

Things have worked out for all concerned.  We got a great DC and he got a NC and a great line on either a DC or HC resume.

ash didn't get it done at Arkansas. Smith came in and turned the Arkansas defense into a force. Ash helped with the improvement of the Buckeye defense and has a national championship on his resume now. Win for both schools.

[Pork Twain]

Impacts us, not at all

[PorkRinds]

All you guys can Chris my Ash. 

[Hogsmo Kramer]

That was Luke Fickle's D you saw last night, not Ash's.  Ash is irrelevant to Arkansas.

He's irrelevant to OSU.

I don't think their D would be much different with or without him. He collected a ring on the coat tails of others in my opinion.

Good for him.

[yraciv]

I'm not an Ohio State fan and could really care less about Chris Ash, but the man just won a national championship and you are acting like he is just a lowly position coach who had no credit.

Fact, he is the Co-Defensive Coordinator and while Fickell runs the base defenses, Ash is responsible for dialing up blitzes and calling plays at times.  Fact, he also coaches the safeties. Did you know Ohio State's pass defense was ranked 110th in the country last year, and this year it is 17th? Safety coach might have something to do with that.

[PorkRinds]

I'm not an Ohio State fan and could really care less about Chris Ash, but the man just won a national championship and you are acting like he is just a lowly position coach who had no credit.

Fact, he is the Co-Defensive Coordinator and while Fickell runs the base defenses, Ash is responsible for dialing up blitzes and calling plays at times.  Fact, he also coaches the safeties. Did you know Ohio State's pass defense was ranked 110th in the country last year, and this year it is 17th? Safety coach might have something to do with that.

Nah.  It's magic.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

I'm not an Ohio State fan and could really care less about Chris Ash, but the man just won a national championship and you are acting like he is just a lowly position coach who had no credit.

Fact, he is the Co-Defensive Coordinator and while Fickell runs the base defenses, Ash is responsible for dialing up blitzes and calling plays at times.  Fact, he also coaches the safeties. Did you know Ohio State's pass defense was ranked 110th in the country last year, and this year it is 17th? Safety coach might have something to do with that.

Yep because he coached that position smashingly here. 

He's doing better because he has better athletes Einstein.

[hawg1221]

During the 4 hour game, his name was mentioned 1 time with a few minutes left in the game and Luke Fickell was mentioned many times.  Ash is a sidekick!!

[RobGob]

I heard his name mentioned.  He's likely a good coach, and won the NC last night with his team.  I'm betting he feels like he made the right decision.

This.

He definitely looks much more appealing to future employers than he did a year ago and has added a CFP NC to his resume.  Can't criticize the man for making a move that has increased his value. The move may end up being worth hundreds of thousands of dollars if he gets promoted or gets a better gig somewhere else.

It is kind of petty to resent the man's success.

[redeye]

I really try not to hold a grudge because when Chris Ash left we got the blessing of Rob Smith. But man it kind of punches me in the gut that he just won a NC last night........

Why?

We have a better DC then Ash, so why would you worry about him?  Be happy for him and glad that another former Arkansas assistant has had success.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

This.

He definitely looks much more appealing to future employers than he did a year ago and has added a CFP NC to his resume.  Can't criticize the man for making a move that has increased his value. The move may end up being worth hundreds of thousands of dollars if he gets promoted or gets a better gig somewhere else.

It is kind of petty to resent the man's success.

I don't resent his success I actually don't care I just think he's a subpar coach who lucked into a good situation that got him a ring, of which I think his contribution was likely minimal.

He took the easy road and it paid off, good for him.

[PorkRinds]

I don't resent his success I actually don't care I just think he's a subpar coach who lucked into a good situation that got him a ring of which I think his contribution was likely minimal.

He took the easy road and it paid off, good for him.

C'mon.  You think Urban Meyer hires sub par coaches when he could basically have his pick of who he wants?  You don't luck into a job on the national championship team.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

C'mon.  You think Urban Meyer hires sub par coaches when he could basically have his pick of who he wants?  You don't luck into a job on the national championship team.

I know he didn't do crap here, that's what I know.

I know Robb Smith came in and completely turned our D around with essentially the same personnel.

I don't know why Meyer hired him, maybe he actually is a good safety coach despite his lackluster performance here, but he's no DC IMO at least not good enough to stand on his own.

Not from what I saw here.

[Calling All Hogs]

I appreciate Ash tucking tail and running to a job that paid less.  It is kind of funny that part of the official bio at OSU is how he helped turn Arkansas' defense around. According to that we should be lucky we were able to hold on to him for a full year. 

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/chris_ash_882919.html

[Pig In The City]

They talked about Fickell a ton last night and acted like it was his D.  Didn't hear Ash mentioned at all.

We improved at the position. Results are everything. Not everyone is suited for Fayettevile. No harm, no foul.

[Inhogswetrust]

I imagine you base that on nothing.

Other than the fact media has mentioned it as well as the fact he was retained as DC by Meyer even though he had been the interim before, kind of like what happened with Kines here years ago. IF Ash were to be the man then I'd wonder if Luke would have pulled a Gussy and left. He had been the DC before Ash.   

[Inhogswetrust]

I'd like to think he learned what not to do during his time here.

I would have thought any major mistakes he had made as a DC would have been out of his system by the time he got here since he was a DC for BB at Wisconsin.

[rude1]

This is why IMO he took the job. With what Urban Myer is bringing in there it's not out of the question that they win a second NC. It will sure look good on the resume to have NC Co DC on it , no matter how much Hogville will claim he had nothing to do with it. It will be a faster track to a HC position when you are a part of championship level staffs.

[gmarv]

good for him better for us ,moving on.

[Inhogswetrust]

This is why IMO he took the job. With what Urban Myer is bringing in there it's not out of the question that they win a second NC. It will sure look good on the resume to have NC Co DC on it , no matter how much Hogville will claim he had nothing to do with it. It will be a faster track to a HC position when you are a part of championship level staffs.

I think it is just as good and as fast if you take a position where the part you are coaching is not good and turn it around such as what Robb Smith has done versus going to one that is damn near almost ready made when you get there. Especially if you are listed as CO whatever coach. Don't misconstrue all my posts here as thinking he isn't a good coach. I think he is good and wondered why he left but he had to do what he feels is the best for him even IF he wasn't on thin ice with BB.

I do bet he had his brain picked incessantly over what Bama would do since he was familiar with them...................and if so it worked! Good for him for being able to enjoy a NC.

[yraciv]

I know he didn't do crap here, that's what I know.

I know Robb Smith came in and completely turned our D around with essentially the same personnel.

I don't know why Meyer hired him, maybe he actually is a good safety coach despite his lackluster performance here, but he's no DC IMO at least not good enough to stand on his own.

Not from what I saw here.

Did you ever watch his Wisconsin defenses play? There is no way to say his performance here was great, but considering they weren't his players, it was all their first year in a new coach's system, and his defense was on the field a lot, yeah there are going to be growing pains! 

All I've got to go off of his track record. In his 2 seasons at Wisconsin, he had Top 20 defenses and allowed less than 20 ppg.  This year his defense allowed 21 a game, pass defense was even better, and his defense looked good enough to win a national championship.  Give him split credit on that last one, but those results stack up pretty well.

[Scott7703]

We upgraded.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

Did you ever watch his Wisconsin defenses play? There is no way to say his performance here was great, but considering they weren't his players, it was all their first year in a new coach's system, and his defense was on the field a lot, yeah there are going to be growing pains! 

All I've got to go off of his track record. In his 2 seasons at Wisconsin, he had Top 20 defenses and allowed less than 20 ppg.  This year his defense allowed 21 a game, pass defense was even better, and his defense looked good enough to win a national championship.  Give him split credit on that last one, but those results stack up pretty well.

Growing pains? Lol, dude those were more like labor pains the year he was here.

Robb Smith experienced the same thing Ash did. Not his players, new system, blah blah but his "growing pains" we're a hang nail compared to Ash's.

I wasn't impressed with Ash when he was here and I think our current DC is much better and showed us what a good DC could do with what we had here at Arkansas.

Ash couldn't hack it so he left and I'm glad he did.

I don't begrudge him, even though I despise OSU, I just think he was more of a tag along than an integral part of them winning the NC.

[yraciv]

Growing pains? Lol, dude those were more like labor pains the year he was here.

Robb Smith experienced the same thing Ash did. Not his players, new system, blah blah but his "growing pains" we're a hang nail compared to Ash's.

I wasn't impressed with Ash when he was here and I think our current DC is much better and showed us what a good DC could do with what we had here at Arkansas.

Ash couldn't hack it so he left and I'm glad he did.

I don't begrudge him, even though I despise OSU, I just think he was more of a tag along than an integral part of them winning the NC.

You continue to ignore his resume elsewhere.  No one is belittling Rob Smith or comparing the 2 for that matter.  I was just simply pointing out Chris Ash has had some part in calling defensive plays for 4 years, 3 of which his d's were in the top 25 and in BCS bowl games, and 1 national championship.

Just like BB, Urban tries to carry the best of the best when it comes to assistants.  I don't think anyone is a tagalong, and especially not a coordinator with a Top 25 unit.

[Hogsmo Kramer]

You continue to ignore his resume elsewhere.  No one is belittling Rob Smith or comparing the 2 for that matter.  I was just simply pointing out Chris Ash has had some part in calling defensive plays for 4 years, 3 of which his d's were in the top 25 and in BCS bowl games, and 1 national championship.

Just like BB, Urban tries to carry the best of the best when it comes to assistants.  I don't think anyone is a tagalong, and especially not a coordinator with a Top 25 unit.

That wasn't Ash's D it was Fickell's and I don't care what he did somewhere else the limited time he was here he sucked.

We lacked fundamentals in tackling, scheme, playing the ball in the secondary, etc. then another guy comes in and all the sudden we're doing all of the above properly and look like a completely different unit despite having pretty much the same players.

That tells me despite his past record he wasn't that great as a coordinator. At OSU he's not calling the shots, he's a role player, and Fickell is orchestrating the D and his Co-D coordinator title is just a title.

He's not running things on that unit that I'm certain of.