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3of5-2

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 08:30:48 pm
If you told me would you have to kill me, 007?
It's okay, you get to sleep well, for now.

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Karma

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 08:33:51 pm
It's okay, you get to sleep well, for now.
I can only imagine the things you saw in the ROTC

Randohoggie

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 08:32:39 pm
Oh you are a progressive, that explains a lot. Never complained about the players doing what they did, only stated that Dykes fully supported it and the consequences were what they were. I'm pretty confident we've made a tremendous amount of "progress", fortunately we've been able to keep the country out of the socialist ditch.

Adding "socialism" to the words you don't understand.  Also, I guess I misconstrued this as complaining about the players ... "while these ungrateful clowns get free college and free everything" and saying that they are all drug addict POS.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 08:24:17 pm
Ok, I will, then you stop complaining about people doing so ... like those players.  It's people like you who don't or can't see beyond your own misconceptions who are trying to stop this country from making any sort of progress.

So the people you agree with have a right to express their opinions and nobody should condemn them...but when someone disagrees with their stand, they have no right to express their opinions about that stand.  Yeah, that's what you would call equal expression.

3of5-2

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 08:47:04 pm
Adding "socialism" to the words you don't understand.  Also, I guess I misconstrued this as complaining about the players ... "while these ungrateful clowns get free college and free everything" and saying that they are all drug addict POS.
Well the clown part and the free college part was not a complaint, it was a fact. Never said they were all drug addicts.

hogfan10

Quote from: galactivation on February 17, 2018, 06:30:53 pm
what if the sacrifices our military makes are strictly geopolitical chess moves to further US imperialism by exploiting countries for their resources, profit off weapon manufacturing, & exert control? what if we destabilize, murder innocent people all so Americans can continue to shop on amazon & fill up gas tanks , relatively cheap.

what if black people are actually discriminated against, profiled & harassed by police? don't receive an adequate education in underfunded inner city Schools & have father's that are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses, or can't get jobs with living wages because of nonviolent felonies??

If anybody regardless of race didn't take advantage of the free education offered (most inner city schools receive more gov funds per student than non inner city schools), ran with the wrong crowd, appeared (personal style, behavior) to not be law abiding, had a parent in jail for willfuly breaking the law (most likely more than once if in jail), was raised by an uneducated single parent, etc.; they would most likely have encountered the police/court system  negatively and if not most likely will, they will most likely be working a lower end job or living off govt assistance unless they have special talents (sports/entertainment). It is very unfortunate & unfair that children grow up like this, but it's something that has to be fixed from within and not by the LIFETIME support of the government. The never ending govt handouts prevent the recipients from being accountable. The constant belief that the "system" is stacked against me is a convenient excuse & and obsolves people of accountability. The "system" gives individuals never ending opportunities to further their plot in life, they just have to take advantage of it. It's not a black, white or yellow issue; it's a character issue.

Randohoggie

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 08:50:33 pm
So the people you agree with have a right to express their opinions and nobody should condemn them...but when someone disagrees with their stand, they have no right to express their opinions about that stand.  Yeah, that's what you would call equal expression.

Not really the point.  The point is, don't come around saying I GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS and then try to tell people how they can exercise them.  If you do, you don't really believe in those freedoms in the first place. 

Fair enough about the phrase I chose to use, I don't disagree that everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

Randohoggie

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 08:52:19 pm
Well the clown part and the free college part was not a complaint, it was a fact. Never said they were all drug addicts.

"Drugs are a substitute for oxygen"

Karma

February 17, 2018, 08:55:23 pm #109 Last Edit: February 17, 2018, 09:06:40 pm by Karma
Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 08:52:19 pm
Well the clown part and the free college part was not a complaint, it was a fact. Never said they were all drug addicts.
You sound like you aren't happy with the way your life turned out, and are bitter towards others. I'm sorry buddy.

Randohoggie

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 08:55:23 pm
You sound like you aren't happy with the way your life turned out, and am bitter towards others. I'm sorry buddy.

He's a bitter, old racist.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 08:53:12 pm
Not really the point.  The point is, don't come around saying I GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS and then try to tell people how they can exercise them.  If you do, you don't really believe in those freedoms in the first place. 

Fair enough about the phrase I chose to use, I don't disagree that everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

Thank you for conceding on the phrase.  I believe that this thread needs to be moved to the political forum, but that is just my opinion and everyone is open to disagree.

I was in the military, and I believe that everyone in the US has the right to speak their mind whether I agree or not.  But, if you represent an entity then you are subject to that entity on how you are representing it.  If they feel you have crossed the line, then they can do what they want with that ability to represent them.

Randohoggie

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 08:57:41 pm
Thank you for conceding on the phrase.  I believe that this thread needs to be moved to the political forum, but that is just my opinion and everyone is open to disagree.

I was in the military, and I believe that everyone in the US has the right to speak their mind whether I agree or not.  But, if you represent an entity then you are subject to that entity on how you are representing it.  If they feel you have crossed the line, then they can do what they want with that ability to represent them.

I don't disagree with either statement, although I don't go to the political forum.  I am just tired of people saying they were protesting the flag, or the troops, or all of that nonsense.  They weren't.  They were protesting police violence.

 

3of5-2

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 08:53:12 pm
Not really the point.  The point is, don't come around saying I GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS and then try to tell people how they can exercise them.  If you do, you don't really believe in those freedoms in the first place. 

Fair enough about the phrase I chose to use, I don't disagree that everyone is entitled to express their opinion.
Once again, you claim I said something I didn't. Never said I gave you your freedoms, but you can't make your point without distorting what I said. You can exercise them however you want to, all I ask was to show some respect for those that have put their a$$ on the line out of country or stateside. You don't do that by taking a knee during the National Anthem and while the flag is being displayed.

Randohoggie

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 09:01:25 pm
You don't do that by taking a knee during the National Anthem and while the flag is being displayed.

I think you can do it like that.  They did it.  When it is a minority, people don't ever agree with how they choose to protest.  It's always the wrong way or the wrong time or the wrong place. 

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 08:59:53 pm
I don't disagree with either statement, although I don't go to the political forum.  I am just tired of people saying they were protesting the flag, or the troops, or all of that nonsense.  They weren't.  They were protesting police violence.

But, while in a Razorback uniform at a Razorback televised game.  Do your protesting without representing the university.  While wearing the uniform, you are speaking on behalf of the university.  Represent it well.

hogfan10

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 08:57:41 pm
Thank you for conceding on the phrase.  I believe that this thread needs to be moved to the political forum, but that is just my opinion and everyone is open to disagree.

I was in the military, and I believe that everyone in the US has the right to speak their mind whether I agree or not.  But, if you represent an entity then you are subject to that entity on how you are representing it.  If they feel you have crossed the line, then they can do what they want with that ability to represent them.
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Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 08:57:41 pm
Thank you for conceding on the phrase.  I believe that this thread needs to be moved to the political forum, but that is just my opinion and everyone is open to disagree.

I was in the military, and I believe that everyone in the US has the right to speak their mind whether I agree or not.  But, if you represent an entity then you are subject to that entity on how you are representing it.  If they feel you have crossed the line, then they can do what they want with that ability to represent them.

Exactly, free speech allows you to say it free from Criminal prosecution (unless threatening), but it doesn't prevent other consequences (loss of job, scholarship, other private not public privileges).

Randohoggie

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 09:03:12 pm
But, while in a Razorback uniform at a Razorback televised game.  Do your protesting without representing the university.  While wearing the uniform, you are speaking on behalf of the university.  Represent it well.

That's for the University to decide.  I was proud of the ones who took a knee, because I realize what they ARE protesting, not what I want to THINK they are protesting.

Randohoggie

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:05:05 pm
Exactly, free speech allows you to say it free from Criminal prosecution (unless threatening), but it doesn't prevent other consequences (loss of job, scholarship, other private not public privileges).

I understand that, but if the employer or entity or whatever the case may be chooses not to impose any consequences, that is up to them.

HogFoo

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 05:36:14 pm
Thanks comrade.
first wow. This thread has gone to the toilet.  As for jimmy, i dont really care what he thinks either. But it is what it is.  An analyst that should have never been hired to coach, especially with 0 exp.  Ladies program took a big hit and yhen another huge hit when the bball team took a knee.  Sorry, not the place for politics. He might as well quit after that game.

As for the comrade talk here dude.  I hope you are referring to the DNC party, because thats who colluded with the Russians! My wife always gets on to me for going on political rants sometimes, but like i tell her, this is history in the making here. We better be paying attention here!  We had a sitting president (Obama), conspire with an incumbant( Hillary) to try and STEAL the presidency! They cheated Bernie Sanders out of the DNC nomination, they convinced Donna brazille, who had the debate questions to give them to Hillary aheadof time! And yet even after all of that, they STILL LOST the election!  Then the left after losing conspires to frame a president elect with a FAKE DOSSIER bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC! I mean, how much treason has to happen before some of you pull your heads out of your azz! That was HIGH Treason, still punishable by hanging!  Its so crazy how it goes tho, the left colludes with russia and then blames the right! Hillary gave 20% of our uraniumto RUSSIA!  the clinton "foundation" received $120million for this!  Lets just callthe clinton "foundation " what it was, a pay for play!  Hearing the left crying out russia anything is a joke!  It kind of like those on the left when they cant defend their parties actions and if you say anything negative about the treasonous obama, they call you racist! 

As for those mentioning about guns. Ya know people tried to alert the fbi about this shooter and yet they never really responded. Makes ya wonder if perhaps the fbi has been too busy trying to cover their tracks with all of the stuff that some of them have been doing  that they just overlooked this shooter.
The sooner there is a purge of the DOJ,fbi etc, removing all obama moles and holdovers the better!

As for those saying get rid of guns blah blah blah and maybe thwre wouldnt have been a shooting??  Sorry, that lineof thinking doesnt work. That guy was going to kill people whether with a gun or with a bomb or whatever!  It reminds me of an old archie bunker episode where his daughter in the show is against guns and she makes some remark to archie about how 70% of all the people that were killed in their city was due to a gun and Archie tells her in classic archie bunker style " well would it make you feel better little girl if they was pushed out of a window?!?!?"  Haha, funny and yet still holds truth today.  Anyway, thats my .02.

Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

3of5-2

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 08:55:23 pm
You sound like you aren't happy with the way your life turned out, and am bitter towards others. I'm sorry buddy.
My life is great, been fortunate to serve with many great American heroes. Maybe one day, you will get that opportunity.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:06:25 pm
I understand that, but if the employer or entity or whatever the case may be chooses not to impose any consequences, that is up to them.

It is up to them. And also those who govern their administration, thus the consequences that we saw.

Karma

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 09:01:25 pm
Once again, you claim I said something I didn't. Never said I gave you your freedoms, but you can't make your point without distorting what I said. You can exercise them however you want to, all I ask was to show some respect for those that have put their a$$ on the line out of country or stateside. You don't do that by taking a knee during the National Anthem and while the flag is being displayed.
This is what you said "Just enjoy the freedoms that some of us have provided you."

hogfan10

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:02:49 pm
I think you can do it like that.  They did it.  When it is a minority, people don't ever agree with how they choose to protest.  It's always the wrong way or the wrong time or the wrong place. 

But most believe it was the wrong place/time. To my knowledge none of the kneelers received any consequence/punishment for doing so. Although their employers would have been well within their rights to do so, since they were protesting on company time while representing their employer or university.

 

3of5-2

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:02:49 pm
I think you can do it like that.  They did it.  When it is a minority, people don't ever agree with how they choose to protest.  It's always the wrong way or the wrong time or the wrong place.
To me it's wrong, not ever going to change my mind on that. Find another platform to protest.

3of5-2

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 09:09:59 pm
This is what you said "Just enjoy the freedoms that some of us have provided you."
some of us, not I

HogFoo

Well see heres the deal .  We had people protesting in missouri with the hands up deal, obama tried sticking his nose in everything trying to create havoc.  Look at the looting that took place after that kid was shot.  Michael something.  It was PROVEN everything happened the way the policeman said it had happened! Forensics PROVED IT,  so then what. Had all of that "protesting" looting, destruction over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Thats crazy!  Thats the problem!
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

Randohoggie

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:11:06 pm
But most believe it was the wrong place/time. To my knowledge none of the kneelers received any consequence/punishment for doing so. Although their employers would have been well within their rights to do so, since they were protesting on company time while representing their employer or university.

We've already covered this ground.  And you have no way to know what "most" believe.  What most believe in Arkansas is not the same as what most believe in less backward areas of the country.

They were not employees, though, and it's not the same thing.

Randohoggie

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 09:12:28 pm
To me it's wrong, not ever going to change my mind on that. Find another platform to protest.

Not trying to change your mind.  Luckily, it isn't your decision.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Karma on February 17, 2018, 09:09:59 pm
This is what you said "Just enjoy the freedoms that some of us have provided you."

You are correct on this.  I believe that he doesn't believe that he gave the freedoms...but that he helped to prevent others who strove to end these freedoms from being successful.  The constitution provides the conduit to live these freedoms.  People who have served in the military, police, state department, etc. (and others) have put their lives on the line to ensure that no one took away the freedoms which are provided in the US.

Randohoggie

Quote from: HogFoo on February 17, 2018, 09:13:38 pm
Well see heres the deal .  We had people protesting in missouri with the hands up deal, obama tried sticking his nose in everything trying to create havoc.  Look at the looting that took place after that kid was shot.  Michael something.  It was PROVEN everything happened the way the policeman said it had happened! Forensics PROVED IT,  so then what. Had all of that "protesting" looting, destruction over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Thats crazy!  Thats the problem!

It would be crazy if there was vandalism and crime after a sports championship!  CRAZY!  Oh, wait. 

Randohoggie

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 09:15:42 pm
You are correct on this.  I believe that he doesn't believe that he gave the freedoms...but that he helped to prevent others who strove to end these freedoms from being successful.  The constitution provides the conduit to live these freedoms.  People who have served in the military, police, state department, etc. (and others) have put their lives on the line to ensure that no one took away the freedoms which are provided in the US.

Odd that most people who see things this way support a political party that is actively trying to destroy the first amendment.

HogFoo

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:16:30 pm
It would be crazy if there was vandalism and crime after a sports championship!  CRAZY!  Oh, wait.
yeah, any excuse to create havoc.  Very sad. 
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:17:42 pm
Odd that most people who see things this way support a political party that is actively trying to destroy the first amendment.

If you are meaning me, no, I am not of the DNC.

Randohoggie

Quote from: BirmingHam on February 17, 2018, 09:18:46 pm
If you are meaning me, no, I am not of the DNC.

I C what you did there, but the GOP are the ones systematically trying to do away with freedom of the press, among other things.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:19:53 pm
I C what you did there, but the GOP are the ones systematically trying to do away with freedom of the press, among other things.

That is your right to believe what you want, as I know there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.  But, if you believe that the DNC does not squash freedom of speech; you may want to do some research on the Clinton's political rise to power.

hogfan10

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:14:33 pm
We've already covered this ground.  And you have no way to know what "most" believe.  What most believe in Arkansas is not the same as what most believe in less backward areas of the country.

They were not employees, though, and it's not the same thing.

If you're talking Lady Backs, they are most certainly de-facto employees. They are UA representatives, paid with scholarship; paid for by the residents of Arkansas. If they want to protest on their own time, fine; maybe, there could still be consequences from the university or any other outside/private group they're associated with.
Good to know our state is backwards, guess I would've never realized if not for an upitty outsider like yourself.

HogFoo

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:19:53 pm
I C what you did there, but the GOP are the ones systematically trying to do away with freedom of the press, among other things.
fake press is of no use, cnn, msnbc,  cbs, trash.  How they arent even mentioning how hillary and how she conspired to steal a Presidential election??  I mean, how much treason does she have to commit before these fake msm sources start talking about it??   
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

From Tusk Till Dawn

Wow, was curious what folks had to say about Jimmy, then I started reading.  I quickly realized this thread wasn't really about that.

I'll just say this, lots going in our country, crazy times for sure.  But once or twice a week we get to step away from all that and just enjoy watching our Hogs.  For those of you that don't know, we had a game today.  We beat up on an old adversary, it was great!

hogfan10

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:16:30 pm
It would be crazy if there was vandalism and crime after a sports championship!  CRAZY!  Oh, wait. 

Both instances were wrong, but to equate the two is insane.

HogFoo

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:26:35 pm
Both instances were wrong, but to equate the two is insane.
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

Randohoggie

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:23:27 pm
If you're talking Lady Backs, they are most certainly de-facto employees. They are UA representatives, paid with scholarship; paid for by the residents of Arkansas. If they want to protest on their own time, fine; maybe, there could still be consequences from the university or any other outside/private group they're associated with.
Good to know our state is backwards, guess I would've never realized if not for an upitty outsider like yourself.

I'm an uppity insider and they are not employees in any way shape or form.

3of5-2

Quote from: HogFoo on February 17, 2018, 09:23:37 pm
fake press is of no use, cnn, msnbc,  cbs, trash.  How they arent even mentioning how hillary and how she conspired to steal a Presidential election??  I mean, how much treason does she have to commit before these fake msm sources start talking about it??
Antifa hog fans, gotta love em.

Randohoggie

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:26:35 pm
Both instances were wrong, but to equate the two is insane.

Yeah, one was protesting social injustice, the other was celebrating a football game.

Randohoggie

Quote from: 3of5-2 on February 17, 2018, 09:28:09 pm
Antifa hog fans, gotta love em.

The list is getting pretty long, "Antifa" added.

Karma

Quote from: HogFoo on February 17, 2018, 09:07:38 pm
first wow. This thread has gone to the toilet.  As for jimmy, i dont really care what he thinks either. But it is what it is.  An analyst that should have never been hired to coach, especially with 0 exp.  Ladies program took a big hit and yhen another huge hit when the bball team took a knee.  Sorry, not the place for politics. He might as well quit after that game.

As for the comrade talk here dude.  I hope you are referring to the DNC party, because thats who colluded with the Russians! My wife always gets on to me for going on political rants sometimes, but like i tell her, this is history in the making here. We better be paying attention here!  We had a sitting president (Obama), conspire with an incumbant( Hillary) to try and STEAL the presidency! They cheated Bernie Sanders out of the DNC nomination, they convinced Donna brazille, who had the debate questions to give them to Hillary aheadof time! And yet even after all of that, they STILL LOST the election!  Then the left after losing conspires to frame a president elect with a FAKE DOSSIER bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC! I mean, how much treason has to happen before some of you pull your heads out of your azz! That was HIGH Treason, still punishable by hanging!  Its so crazy how it goes tho, the left colludes with russia and then blames the right! Hillary gave 20% of our uraniumto RUSSIA!  the clinton "foundation" received $120million for this!  Lets just callthe clinton "foundation " what it was, a pay for play!  Hearing the left crying out russia anything is a joke!  It kind of like those on the left when they cant defend their parties actions and if you say anything negative about the treasonous obama, they call you racist! 

As for those mentioning about guns. Ya know people tried to alert the fbi about this shooter and yet they never really responded. Makes ya wonder if perhaps the fbi has been too busy trying to cover their tracks with all of the stuff that some of them have been doing  that they just overlooked this shooter.
The sooner there is a purge of the DOJ,fbi etc, removing all obama moles and holdovers the better!

As for those saying get rid of guns blah blah blah and maybe thwre wouldnt have been a shooting??  Sorry, that lineof thinking doesnt work. That guy was going to kill people whether with a gun or with a bomb or whatever!  It reminds me of an old archie bunker episode where his daughter in the show is against guns and she makes some remark to archie about how 70% of all the people that were killed in their city was due to a gun and Archie tells her in classic archie bunker style " well would it make you feel better little girl if they was pushed out of a window?!?!?"  Haha, funny and yet still holds truth today.  Anyway, thats my .02.


Hogfoo is a Russian bot.

BirmingHam

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:28:53 pm
The list is getting pretty long, "Antifa" added.

I've got relatives that came from Southern Poland, so I get to mention the "Polocks"

hogfan10

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:27:47 pm
I'm am uppity insider and they are not employees in any way shape or form.

Really, you should move to the land of the enlightened.
Also, if they're on scholarship they are essentially employees. The IRS considers scholarships in excess of tuition & fees to be taxable income.
And even if they're not; a university, club, etc has every right to discipline or disassociate fro those promoting a stance opposite of the university's.

hogfan10

Quote from: Randohoggie on February 17, 2018, 09:28:25 pm
Yeah, one was protesting social injustice, the other was celebrating a football game.

One resulted in some deaths, closed roads, and blocks & blocks of destroyed property; the other resulted in some drunks acting stupid, some damaged property and many self inflicted injuries due to drunkenness. Oh, and arrests were made in both instances.

Randohoggie

Quote from: hogfan10 on February 17, 2018, 09:36:26 pm
Really, you should move to the land of the enlightened.
Also, if they're on scholarship they are essentially employees. The IRS considers scholarships in excess of tuition & fees to be taxable income.
And even if they're not; a university, club, etc has every right to discipline or disassociate fro those promoting a stance opposite of the university's.

They aren't employees.