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The final four if......
« on: December 02, 2017, 08:25:07 pm »

......things stay the way they appear about half way through tonight:

Clemson
Oklahoma
Georgia
Alabama
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2017, 08:27:40 pm »

Lots of campaigning against Bama and its schedule.  I wouldn't have a 2 loss OH St team who was blown out by Iowa in the conversation but they will be. 

Wisconsin is slow and qb is weak. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2017, 08:27:53 pm »

Sounds right . These are the best teams I have seen this year.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2017, 08:28:58 pm »

Honestly auburn with 3 losses has a better resume than both Ohio State and Alabama.  Winning against 2 #1 teams.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2017, 08:30:07 pm »

Bama fans bung holes are puckering up with the Auburn blow out and tOhio State up 14 in the second quarter.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 08:30:38 pm »

The committee always says conference championships count for something. We may find out if that is just air...
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 08:30:47 pm »

I just donít see the committee having the balls to put Bama in over tOSU.  My only hope is if they remember that they put tOSU in last season over Penn State who beat tOSU head to head and won the conference championship.

Still think there will be too much pressure to avoid 2 SEC teams in playoff.

Clemson
UGA
OU
tOSU
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 08:31:40 pm »

The committee always says conference championships count for something. We may find out if that is just air...

They put oh st in last year. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 08:32:36 pm »

......things stay the way they appear about half way through tonight:

Clemson
Oklahoma
Georgia
Alabama

I agree with the order but if that holds, they risk an all SEC championship game. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 08:32:46 pm »

The committee always says conference championships count for something. We may find out if that is just air...

Whoís conference championship are you talking about?

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NM I wasnít paying attention. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 08:33:25 pm »

They put oh st in last year.
Buckeyes had 4 wins over top ten teams last year. Bama's best win this year is #17 LSU that lost to Troy.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2017, 08:33:43 pm »

I agree with the order but wonder if that holds, they risk an all SEC championship game. 

The first 3 are pretty much set.  Neither Bama nor tOSU will b better than #4.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2017, 08:34:01 pm »

I couldn't put Alabama in, they are not a conference champion and though not their fault, their schedule was quite weak this year.

But I wouldn't have put OSU in last year either.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2017, 08:34:09 pm »

No way tOSU should even be considered with 2 losses, especially the one to Iowa.  It just baffles me how they could even be part of the conversation.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2017, 08:34:25 pm »

Buckeyes had 4 wins over top ten teams last year. Bama's best win this year is #17 LSU that lost to Troy.

Still showed that the championship game didnít mean anything though. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 08:35:55 pm »

Ohio population 12 million,  Alabama 5 million. Committee will always give Ohio State the benefit
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 08:36:09 pm »

Still showed that the championship game didnít mean anything though.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 08:36:50 pm »

I couldn't put Alabama in, they are not a conference champion and though not their fault, their schedule was quite weak this year.

But I wouldn't have put OSU in last year either.

Just from the eye ball test, which is really what the committee is supposed to do, but we know is usually just lip service, I still think Bama is better than tOSU.  However, last season I think tOSU was better that Penn State even though Penn State beat them and won the championship.  The committee got it right last year IMO.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2017, 08:41:57 pm »

I agree with the order but if that holds, they risk an all SEC championship game.

I know, and I'm guessing that the committee re-sorts the order to prevent that - but that's the way it should shake out based on experience
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2017, 08:44:19 pm »

I know, and I'm guessing that the committee re-sorts the order to prevent that - but that's the way it should shake out based on experience

No, theyíll re-sort it be putting in tOSU over Bama.  Problem solved.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2017, 08:45:17 pm »

I just don’t see the committee having the balls to put Bama in over tOSU.  My only hope is if they remember that they put tOSU in last season over Penn State who beat tOSU head to head and won the conference championship.

Still think there will be too much pressure to avoid 2 SEC teams in playoff.

Clemson
UGA
OU
tOSU

I think you're right.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2017, 08:49:41 pm »

No, theyíll re-sort it be putting in tOSU over Bama.  Problem solved.

Sorry, just don't believe they'll leave Alabama out based on today's games - certainly don't believe tOSU gets in - but, hard to believe, I've been wrong before
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2017, 08:51:17 pm »

Sorry, just don't believe they'll leave Alabama out based on today's games - certainly don't believe OSU gets in - but, hard to believe, I've been wrong before

Iím with you.  I think Bama is better, but the committee will play the conference champ card to put tOSU in. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2017, 08:53:28 pm »

Sorry, just don't believe they'll leave Alabama out based on today's games - certainly don't believe tOSU gets in - but, hard to believe, I've been wrong before
Bama is better against weaker competition. They only played one top team and got dominated. That team that dominated them got blown out today.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2017, 08:57:52 pm »

Big 10     Pretend
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2017, 08:59:00 pm »

Bama is better against weaker competition. They only played one top team and got dominated. That team that dominated them got blown out today.

On any given day..........
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 08:59:53 pm »

Bama Vs UGA
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 09:05:14 pm »

Bama is better against weaker competition. They only played one top team and got dominated. That team that dominated them got blown out today.

A tOSU fan should know plenty about being better against weaker competition.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 09:08:40 pm »

Both Bama aND OSU will be 3-1 vs top 50 teams, OSU conference champ but 1 bad loss, Bama no bad losses
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 09:12:09 pm »

Both Bama aND OSU will be 3-1 vs top 50 teams, OSU conference champ but 1 bad loss, Bama no bad losses

I will put a finer point on it.  This will be very simple.  THE reason Bama gets left out is doing so avoids putting 2 SEC teams in.  Thatís THE deciding factor.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2017, 09:22:00 pm »

A tOSU fan should know plenty about being better against weaker competition.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2017, 09:30:54 pm »

I agree with the order but if that holds, they risk an all SEC championship game. 

Saban vs Smart for the title...that would be a money maker for sure...
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 09:31:30 pm »

I don't have any particular reason for thinking this but my gut tells me Clemson or OU.
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 09:31:54 pm »

Wisconsin has played 8 teams that are 6 and 6 or worse.  Ohio State has played 6 and Alabama has played 5 and a fcs school. 
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 09:35:14 pm »

I don't have any particular reason for thinking this but my gut tells me Clemson or OU.

Clemson looks like the best team in country to me.  Iíd take them to beat anyone. 
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 09:43:34 pm »

Kinda tossup about the 4th spot. 

You have a Bama team that has one loss against a team that has 3 including a blowout in the SECCG, but also has 11-1 record against less than stellar teams

Then there's Wisky who WAS undefeated but is looking mortal against TOSU. And they too have a pretty Milquetoast schedule.

There's Ga with only 1 loss who came back and beat the team who beat them handily, but the SEC East is nothing to brag about.

And TOSU who is beating an admittedly average Wisky team. They however got  beat easily by OU, blown out by Iowa, and really didn't have that much stronger a schedule than Wisky.

Were it my decision I would go with
1-Clemson
2-OU
3- Georgia
4-Auburn  (beat TWO #1 teams.

It's crapshoot for that last spot

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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2017, 09:43:57 pm »

As long as Ohio State is out, I am good.

They should not be allowed in.
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2017, 09:46:02 pm »

And I'll readily admit that with SEC east being awful, it could be argued that TOSU be there rather than Ga.
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2017, 09:47:25 pm »

Alabama certainly beats out Ohio State in both record and strength of schedule. Georgia is a 1 loss conference champion, and can't be kept out, just like Clemson or OU.

Without showing that the selection committee is in bed with Armpit State, Alabama needs to make it in over them.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2017, 09:51:41 pm »

And I'll readily admit that with SEC east being awful, it could be argued that TOSU be there rather than Ga.

Well letís look at it.   Wisconsin played 8 teams with a 6 and 6 record or worse. Ohio State player 6, Alabama played 5 and a fcs school and Georgia played 4 and a fcs school.  I would say that Georgias schedule was better than all of them plus they won the SEC against auburn which puts their resume up there above the others in my opinion.  They have no bad losses.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2017, 09:54:25 pm »

If Miami or TCU had won today, Alabama would definitely be in.  An O State win will make that decision fairly tough.  Yes, we all know Bama could win it all, but their SOS is poor, plus they didn't play this week.  Gonna be tough for the committee to pick them over O State.
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2017, 09:56:58 pm »

The problem is that you have several schools with less than strong schedules. Bama, TOSU, Wisky, Ga

Rethinking my ranking. I'd have to put a 11-1 Bama in over a 10-3 Aubie.

1-Clemson
2- OU  ( my heart says OU should be 1 cause I think they are the hottest team)
3- Georgia (SECCG)
4- Bama  Thing is if Bama is healthy? A healthy TOSU has a better D than an unhealthy Bama.

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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2017, 10:00:13 pm »

Clemson is easily the most complete team.  They are elite on both sides of the ball.  They are undoubtedly the #1 seed.  It will be...

Clemson
OU
UGA
tOSU

Committee needs an excuse to avoid 2 SEC teams.  tOSU gives them the excuse with a win tonight.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 10:05:26 pm »

I couldn't put Alabama in, they are not a conference champion and though not their fault, their schedule was quite weak this year.

But I wouldn't have put OSU in last year either.
Not only did Bama not win their conference, they didnít even win their division. OSU doesnít deserve it after the blow-out loss to Iowa but theyíll get to he 4th spot IMO.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2017, 10:07:19 pm »

If Miami or TCU had won today, Alabama would definitely be in.  An O State win will make that decision fairly tough.  Yes, we all know Bama could win it all, but their SOS is poor, plus they didn't play this week.  Gonna be tough for the committee to pick them over O State.

Ohio State played an even weaker schedule than Bama and is a two loss team. I really don't see it being that hard, and by choosing Armpit State over Bama, the committee is setting themselves up for a lot of flak from the media and Bama. Bama is the single largest and most powerful force in NCAA football today, alongside a few other teams like Notre Dame.
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2017, 10:10:35 pm »

Ohio State played an even weaker schedule than Bama and is a two loss team. I really don't see it being that hard, and by choosing Armpit State over Bama, the committee is setting themselves up for a lot of flak from the media and Bama. Bama is the single largest and most powerful force in NCAA football today, alongside a few other teams like Notre Dame.

Actually both have a weak schedule. Playing a fcs school hurts Alabama. 
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2017, 10:11:44 pm »

Ohio State played an even weaker schedule than Bama and is a two loss team. I really don't see it being that hard, and by choosing Armpit State over Bama, the committee is setting themselves up for a lot of flak from the media and Bama. Bama is the single largest and most powerful force in NCAA football today, alongside a few other teams like Notre Dame.

And it would practically be a reversal of what they did last year when they put tOSU in, who also didnít win their conference and even lost head to head to the conference champ in the regular season.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2017, 10:12:43 pm »

Ohio State played an even weaker schedule than Bama and is a two loss team. I really don't see it being that hard, and by choosing Armpit State over Bama, the committee is setting themselves up for a lot of flak from the media and Bama. Bama is the single largest and most powerful force in NCAA football today, alongside a few other teams like Notre Dame.
do you even watch college football? tOhio State will have 3 wins better than Bama's best win. It's funny that the weakness of the sec west will be what keeps Bama out if tOhio State wins tonight.
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Re: The final four if......
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2017, 10:13:55 pm »

Actually both have a weak schedule. Playing a fcs school hurts Alabama.

I'm not trying to say that Bama didn't have a weak schedule, but simply that Ohio State's is worse. Bama did play a single FCS school, but Ohio State has played two-opponents more than Bama at worse than 6-6. That might wash out.

Bama is still a 1 loss team and the other is a 2 loss, which at this moment might not even be a conference champ.

do you even watch college football? tOhio State will have 3 wins better than Bama's best win. It's funny that the weakness of the sec west will be what keeps Bama out if tOhio State wins tonight.

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean Armpit State scored more points on opponents than Bama?  Much like an older show, Who's Line is it Anyway, the points don't matter.
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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2017, 10:14:49 pm »

Wisky ain't done yet.

24-19 with an extra  point waiting (field issues).
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