Hogville Info
• 9,498,350 Posts
• 389,077 Topics
• 22,027 Hogvillians
THE RULES (Read 'em!)
Quick Links
Pick'Ems:Football      Basketball      Baseball
Sister Sites:Gridiron HistoryFearless Friday
Listen NOW:Game ON 103.3 
  
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Insanity on coaching pay  (Read 1246 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

hog1984

  • Bench Warmer
  • ***
  • Karma: +15/-19
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 116
Insanity on coaching pay
« on: December 01, 2017, 01:03:06 pm »

What has enabled football power house institutions to pay these outrageous salaries? It goes deeper than ESPN payouts. ESPN couldn't do this if not for their ability to extract more fees from advertisers, etc.

But where is the advertiser's money coming from? I think it is a direct result of QE2. i.e. the federal reserve creating money out of thin air, or better stated, on an electronic device. Basically this is inflation, yet has not reared it ugly head in the financial markets.

The typical Hogville participant probably doesn't live in the  $1 million plus financial world, but ESPN does. And what are they doing this month? Contracting their expenses by ridding themselves of talent. They are losing subscribers at an alarming rate. Less subscribers, means less revenue from advertisers. Some say this is because ESPN has become a pc mouthpiece.

If you have read this far, you are probably asking why I bring this up. Arkansas may have supporters willing to fork over millions of dollars for our football program, but let's think about what the downside is for inflating our football baseline cost to a level beyond what we can afford. Coaching salaries north of $6 million at UofAR is insanity.

I don't think the money train is going to continue to increase. I think we are witnessing the beginning decline of ESPN's conference payouts.

Ok now you can smite me. Hey I think Gus would be a great coach for Arkansas Razorbacks, but can we afford $6 million+?


Logged

Billy Bats

  • Varsity
  • ****
  • Karma: +55/-64
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 263
  • Shine Box
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 01:05:13 pm »

Itís what the free market will bear.  We are capitalists and thatís part of the deal.  Arkansas is a $120m/year program.  $6mil is worth it for a great coach. 
Logged

Sponsored Ad



Hogville encourages you to do business with the following...

31to6

  • Hall of Fame Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +755/-510
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 7,121
  • Go Hogs!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 01:21:22 pm »

Itís what the free market will bear.  We are capitalists and thatís part of the deal.  Arkansas is a $120m/year program.  $6mil is worth it for a great coach. 
The difference between a top-20 program and everyone else is way, way more than $6M/yr.
Logged

Kicking Wing

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +191/-629
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,439
  • Hogville.net Rocks!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2017, 01:21:41 pm »

Fear and the ego/unrealistic expectations of the average fan paying for the sport.  It will crash eventually.  There is nothing magical about the guys that command the big contracts that makes them better suited than the best guys in D2.  Connections, reputation, hype.... al part of a free market system for hiring coaches.
Logged

Salted Pork

  • Bench Warmer
  • ***
  • Karma: +6/-9
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 87
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 01:43:59 pm »

When football starts to decline as a viable sport due to head injuries, so will coaches' salaries. The sport has only a few more years, if that, as the apex sport in America. It will then become what boxing is today.
Logged

hobhog

  • Hall of Fame Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +451/-1082
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6,189
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 01:48:04 pm »

If we don't get Gus at least we should save some cash. The salaries and more importantly the buyouts are nauseating.
Logged

davglo35

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +60/-49
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 580
  • Hogville.net Rocks!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 08:48:41 am »

Salary Cap. One yr contracts only. P5 coaches $100,000 per game for a win. $25,000 for a loss. Playoff = $200,000 win $50,000 loss.
Top tier bowl  $100,000 win $25,000 loss.
National championship...$200,000 + $100,000 bonus. :)
Logged

Captain Hogthrob

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +134/-110
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 795
  • Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 08:57:45 am »

Jimbo raised the boats. People want to compete because that brings in millions. As long as someone can pay they will pay. It's called capitalism and it's awesome.
Logged

a0ashle

  • Hogvillian
  • ******
  • Karma: +157/-177
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 09:01:56 am »

We are in a football bubble, college and pro. It will burst, itís a matter of when not if.
Logged

DeltaBoy

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +11993/-13022
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 68,112
  • I'm Un-Reconstructed. Sic semper tyrannis
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 09:08:44 am »

TV money is driving this!
Logged

nwahogfan1

  • All-American Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +290/-963
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,243
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 09:13:26 am »

I would love to get the best up and comer and pay him $1.5 million a year plus $250K per win and  $500k for bowl wins and a million for a SECC but even if we got a coach to agree to that if he was successful he would be gone for the really big guaranteed money in a couple years.  It is a bidding frenzy out there.

After losing our butt getting rid of CBB and Nutt I would hold a tighter rein on these buy outs.  I can live with $4+ million contracts but no more huge buy outs.   
Logged

nwahogfan1

  • All-American Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +290/-963
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3,243
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2017, 09:15:33 am »

We are in a football bubble, college and pro. It will burst, itís a matter of when not if.

I agree.   Only a matter of time.
Logged

hogsam

  • Bench Warmer
  • ***
  • Karma: +14/-31
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 141
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2017, 09:19:21 am »

Sexton is going to want a contract as good for Gus as he got fisher. 10 year 7.5 million guaranteed.
Logged

onebadrubi

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +1135/-1233
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14,363
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2017, 09:24:00 am »

Sexton is going to want a contract as good for Gus as he got fisher. 10 year 7.5 million guaranteed.

No he's not.  He knew the situation. Aggie land was In and their level of stupidness.  He knows very very few schools would do such a think to lock themselves up for a decade like that
Logged

a0ashle

  • Hogvillian
  • ******
  • Karma: +157/-177
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2017, 09:24:53 am »

I agree.   Only a matter of time.

I legitimately feel bad for all the other sports that will take the brunt of lost football revenue.
Logged

donbro

  • Varsity
  • ****
  • Karma: +23/-123
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 408
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 09:29:47 am »

When football starts to decline as a viable sport due to head injuries, so will coaches' salaries. The sport has only a few more years, if that, as the apex sport in America. It will then become what boxing is today.
You do realize that boxing has a global appeal. Just because it may appear to be on a decline in America  does not mean itís on the decline everywhere else. Boxing is a top 10 sport globally.
Logged

a0ashle

  • Hogvillian
  • ******
  • Karma: +157/-177
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 09:40:45 am »

You do realize that boxing has a global appeal. Just because it may appear to be on a decline in America  does not mean itís on the decline everywhere else. Boxing is a top 10 sport globally.

To your point, top Boxers still get PAID!

Not to your point, Football isnít near boxing globally.
Logged

Con el Cerdos

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +40/-102
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 665
  • Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 09:40:56 am »

I legitimately feel bad for all the other sports that will take the brunt of lost football revenue.

Perhaps then we will return to true amateur sports in college. 
Logged

ResIpsaLoquitur

  • Hall of Fame Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +296/-969
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12,392
  • The thing speaks for itself
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2017, 09:44:49 am »

I wonder what the elimination of the tax deduction for contributions to college sports programs, which is purportedly in the new tax bill passed by the Senate last night, will do to the amount of money available to pay these kinds of salaries?

https://www.businessreport.com/article/lsu-ad-says-house-gop-tax-plan-disastrous-college-sports

"At issue in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is one obscure but significant clause that gets rid of a tax break for people who donate to colleges in exchange for seating rights."

Logged

GlassofSwine

  • All-American Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +315/-460
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2,290
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2017, 09:45:54 am »

We are in a football bubble, college and pro. It will burst, itís a matter of when not if.

Already starting to deflate in the NFL, viewership is dropping, ad revenue dropping, and frankly the product on the field is declining.
Logged

Inhogswetrust

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +3537/-5054
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 33,919
  • Guessing is easier than actually trying!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2017, 09:48:40 am »

What has enabled football power house institutions to pay these outrageous salaries? It goes deeper than ESPN payouts. ESPN couldn't do this if not for their ability to extract more fees from advertisers, etc.

But where is the advertiser's money coming from? I think it is a direct result of QE2. i.e. the federal reserve creating money out of thin air, or better stated, on an electronic device. Basically this is inflation, yet has not reared it ugly head in the financial markets.

The typical Hogville participant probably doesn't live in the  $1 million plus financial world, but ESPN does. And what are they doing this month? Contracting their expenses by ridding themselves of talent. They are losing subscribers at an alarming rate. Less subscribers, means less revenue from advertisers. Some say this is because ESPN has become a pc mouthpiece.

If you have read this far, you are probably asking why I bring this up. Arkansas may have supporters willing to fork over millions of dollars for our football program, but let's think about what the downside is for inflating our football baseline cost to a level beyond what we can afford. Coaching salaries north of $6 million at UofAR is insanity.

I don't think the money train is going to continue to increase. I think we are witnessing the beginning decline of ESPN's conference payouts.

Ok now you can smite me. Hey I think Gus would be a great coach for Arkansas Razorbacks, but can we afford $6 million+?


Coaches salaries affecting inflation is analogous to a thimble full of water in the ocean. I remember when gas was 19 cents a gallon. It isn't now. Yes we can afford $6 million. Inflation is a fact of life over a time. HOW they try to control it is what is important. IF you want to talk about insanity of salaries then talk about CEO's salaries in the US relative to the rest of the worlds country's companies CEO's.
Logged

a0ashle

  • Hogvillian
  • ******
  • Karma: +157/-177
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2017, 09:49:50 am »

Perhaps then we will return to true amateur sports in college.

I hope, but if itís too bad youíll see low level sports shutdown to maximize the $$$ they make in a reduced revenue model.
Logged

Con el Cerdos

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +40/-102
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 665
  • Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2017, 09:51:27 am »


I don't think the money train is going to continue to increase. I think we are witnessing the beginning decline of ESPN's conference payouts.

From a broadcast money point, it will end sooner than later.  Probably after the current contracts of the major conferences expire.

Change is coming, capitalism or not.


As a point of amazement, our former AD/HC Frank Broyles had a net worth of just
$4 million at his death.  No way of knowing, but I doubt that JFB earned $10 million from the University of Arkansas, in his lifetime.
Logged

Inhogswetrust

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +3537/-5054
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 33,919
  • Guessing is easier than actually trying!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2017, 09:56:48 am »

From a broadcast money point, it will end sooner than later.  Probably after the current contracts of the major conferences expire.

Change is coming, capitalism or not.


As a point of amazement, our former AD/HC Frank Broyles had a net worth of just
$4 million at his death.  No way of knowing, but I doubt that JFB earned $10 million from the University of Arkansas, in his lifetime.

Capitalism always has change. Sometimes good sometimes not so good.
Logged

Mr Jade

  • Varsity
  • ****
  • Karma: +5/-27
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 179
  • Surfing the web at Hogville.net
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2017, 10:01:33 am »

You do realize that boxing has a global appeal. Just because it may appear to be on a decline in America  does not mean itís on the decline everywhere else. Boxing is a top 10 sport globally.

Not nearly the same level of popularity worldwide or in the US as it was in the year 1900. Boxing has gone way, way down.

Contact sports are probably the future of sports, soccer, basketball, maybe baseball making a comeback.
Logged

hog1984

  • Bench Warmer
  • ***
  • Karma: +15/-19
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 116
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2017, 10:14:18 am »

Coaches salaries affecting inflation is analogous to a thimble full of water in the ocean. I remember when gas was 19 cents a gallon. It isn't now. Yes we can afford $6 million. Inflation is a fact of life over a time. HOW they try to control it is what is important. IF you want to talk about insanity of salaries then talk about CEO's salaries in the US relative to the rest of the worlds country's companies CEO's.

Like Sam Walton said after Black Monday, "It was paper when we started out, and it's paper afterward,"
Logged

Grunt

  • All-American Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +371/-835
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4,592
  • We put our best playuhs on deefense.
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 10:27:22 am »

It’s what the free market will bear.  We are capitalists and that’s part of the deal.  Arkansas is a $120m/year program.  $6mil is worth it for a great coach. 
zackly
Logged

Torqued pork

  • Hall of Fame Hogvillian
  • *******
  • Karma: +1215/-1190
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 9,631
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 10:29:21 am »

Remember the shock and outrage when Saban signed his first contract with Bama? I bet Bama fans are still upset about it. Not
Logged

elksnort

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +766/-1685
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13,296
  • Lucy, 10-11-2004 - 10-30-2015
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 10:30:08 am »

I'm very much a capitalist. But greed can and will ruin capitalism.  Capitalism and democracy are meant for Reeseville respectful and responsible people. These freaking agents are the Cockroaches.
Logged

BearsBisonsBoars

  • Senior
  • *****
  • Karma: +146/-133
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 1,001
  • Arguing with computers for a living
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 10:39:24 am »

Coaching salaries are in a bubble right now. I think the Fischer deal will be looked back upon as one of the first steps in its popping.

Football has hit its zenith and now the (grid)iron is mixed with clay. The greater accessibility has provided an avenue for competing sports to steal attention. All this while technology muddled the revenue streams for media companies. The sport competition will weaken the traditional money supply for football (boosters).( If you don't believe me, look at the newest generation of Waltons and how they spend their money). It substitutes media dollars for boosters, but that's a weak reed to lean on in the end.

Football probably won't go away, but soon it will be like baseball with its best years behind it.
Logged

Inhogswetrust

  • Gold Hogvillian
  • *********
  • Karma: +3537/-5054
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 33,919
  • Guessing is easier than actually trying!
Re: Insanity on coaching pay
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2017, 07:03:15 am »

I'm very much a capitalist. But greed can and will ruin capitalism.  Capitalism and democracy are meant for Reeseville respectful and responsible people. These freaking agents are the Cockroaches.

Trying to get all you can in salary negotiations when there is accountabiltiy is not greed.
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
 

KARK
KWNA
Fox 16 Arkansas