Sounds like it's Chavis?

[Pig in the Pokey]

Its the most hogville thing ever to snub your nose at Chavis. We have had a bottom dweller defense for the past recent memory in the SEC, and we are too good for one of the more decorated veterans in the game.

your memory must be short af. we had a top 10 defense two years ago...

[HamGrowsOnTrees]

Its just my opinion but I think CMM has already been "Gus'ed".

I sort of think it was Venables and when the rumor started Clemson charmed him into staying $...

Now I think our number two is a guy that is at home with his family in Tennessee and is weighing coaching again or retiring. Chives never has lived with his family while working at LSU and TAMU. He may be sick of it.

Im going to actually feel sorry for CMM if it ends up to the third man up and its someone that really isnt even close to the "best in CFB".

[Hog Red]

your memory must be short af. we had a top 10 defense two years ago...

Top 10 Defense in the SEC?

Arkansas Defense rank yds/g (out of 128)
2015 #72
2016 #74

[Wildhog]

Top 10 Defense in the SEC?

Arkansas Defense rank yds/g (out of 128)
2015 #72
2016 #74

He meant three years ago.

We had a top ten D (in the nation) in 2014.

[hogsanity]

I look at ppg given up over yards. Can give up a ton of yards but if you bow up and keep a team out of the endzone it can be batter D than one that is pretty stingy all game, but gives up 3 or 4 big plays for scores.

[Hog Red]

He meant three years ago.

We had a top ten D (in the nation) in 2014.

Still don't see a top 10 Defense, but they were good

Arkansas 2014 defense rank out of 128
Total yds/g #24 (345)
Run yds/g  #22 (124)
Pass yds/g #57 (221)
Points per game #15 (20.3)

[PorkRinds]

Nor am I.  If it were why wouldn't he have signed by now? He has no obligations to TAMU.

COuld be contract stuff. Not saying it's him.

[King Kong]

Still don't see a top 10 Defense, but they were good

Arkansas 2014 defense rank out of 128
Total yds/g #24 (345)
Run yds/g  #22 (124)
Pass yds/g #57 (221)
Points per game #15 (20.3)

Not sure where you are getting your numbers. But your yards per game is incorrect. #10 right behind Chavis at LSU

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html

[urkillnmesmalls]

this is the clemson style spread. it's 4 main plays from a ton of formations with misdirection. Not so much like chip kelly's other than the tempo.

Incredible how you can be so analytical when you promised to "eat crow and then take a dip" from the board just a few days ago.   

We'll see how it plays out, but generally speaking, the "go fast" teams still rely on mismatches and quick hitting plays that develop quickly, which rely on missed tackles and fatigue from the defense.  They always seem to stumble along the way...Baylor and TCU are other examples of teams that looked like world beaters MOST of the time, but then inexplicably...would lose out of nowhere. 

BUT...we are critical of those losses, because people always want to point at the new offenses as being gimmicky.  The reality is...without them, those teams likely don't blip the radar.  So...it goes both ways, and it's hard to argue that the kids that Arkansas produces and the surrounding states' style of play lines up much better with this style than with CBB. 

[Hog Red]

I look at ppg given up over yards. Can give up a ton of yards but if you bow up and keep a team out of the endzone it can be batter D than one that is pretty stingy all game, but gives up 3 or 4 big plays for scores.

Arkansas points per game defense (rank and points)
2014 - #15  (20.3)
2015 - #75  (27.3)
2016-  #84  (30)
2017-  #116 (36.2)

Here was Texas A&M ppg defense ranking under Chavis
2015- #29 (21.6)
2016- #37 (24)
2017- #82 (28.7)

[Wildhog]

Not sure where you got your numbers but we gave up 19.2 ppg in 2014, good for 9th in the country.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category09/sort01.html

[Hog Red]

Not sure where you got your numbers but we gave up 19.2 ppg in 2014, good for 9th in the country.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category09/sort01.html

Right here
http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/sort/totalPointsPerGame/year/2014

Maybe one of them doesn't include bowl game?

[Wildhog]

Yeah, I'm guessing the ESPN link doesn't include the bowl game.

[Smashmouth2004]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

[Wildhog]

Of course, that awesome 2014 defense was built around NFL talent.  It's all about the jimmies and joes.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Right here
http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/sort/totalPointsPerGame/year/2014

Maybe one of them doesn't include bowl game?

This is from the NCAA... ESPN didn't include the bowl game against Texas

[HeathWimp]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

Inside source.  Sounds legit

[Smashmouth2004]

Inside source.  Sounds legit

Don't be snarky!

[Danimal]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

Gus's wife wanted to move back to the area also -- It helped the Malzahn's get a nice raise at Auburn........   

[Pig in the Pokey]

He meant three years ago.

We had a top ten D (in the nation) in 2014.

yeah, my bad, this year went by so fast and was so meaningless.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Incredible how you can be so analytical when you promised to "eat crow and then take a dip" from the board just a few days ago.   

We'll see how it plays out, but generally speaking, the "go fast" teams still rely on mismatches and quick hitting plays that develop quickly, which rely on missed tackles and fatigue from the defense.  They always seem to stumble along the way...Baylor and TCU are other examples of teams that looked like world beaters MOST of the time, but then inexplicably...would lose out of nowhere. 

BUT...we are critical of those losses, because people always want to point at the new offenses as being gimmicky.  The reality is...without them, those teams likely don't blip the radar.  So...it goes both ways, and it's hard to argue that the kids that Arkansas produces and the surrounding states' style of play lines up much better with this style than with CBB.

y'all could have got rid of me. I offered the ban bet. nobody took it. and I ate my crow about which sexton client we'd end up w/, but i was right it wasnt gus and it was decided the day the thread started. it just turned into morris later on.

this spread offense still can get shut down, but not very likely with the 4 main plays working together setting each other up the way they do. It's almost like Tecmo bowl where they would have to pick your play over and over to stop you. And they have to pick it with tempo working against them. The dive, off tackle, wr screen, and jet sweep along with QB read /RPO/tempo/spacing  aspects make this offense basketball on grass.

[HogCommander]

I doubt it is Chavis.  If it was Chavis he would have been here last week.

[RebelliousHog]

Gus's wife wanted to move back to the area also -- It helped the Malzahn's get a nice raise at Auburn........   

Well judging by who each is married to, I'd come 1000% closer to believing  Mrs. CCM.

[hogsanity]

Of course, that awesome 2014 defense was built around NFL talent.  It's all about the jimmies and joes.

Not according to some of the geniuses here. According to them it is all just the administration and the players " wanting to win ".

[Pig in the Pokey]

Not according to some of the geniuses here. According to them it is all just the administration and the players " wanting to win ".

yep.

[Pig in the Pokey]

This is from the NCAA... ESPN didn't include the bowl game against Texas

thanks.

see , guys? Top 10 just three years ago. It can be done.

[IronHog]

This was one of the reasons I mentioned Joe Lee Dunn earlier.  He kind of made the 3-3-5 famous.  He played a minnow bucket defense.  Players would hover around the line, some of them down, some of the standing up, moving, switching, no way for the offense to pre-read the defense.  That kind of mindset must be brought back to cause these offenses to slow down and think.  Again, just my opinion.

BP was recruiting tall DL to implement an similar concept

But wrecked

[IronHog]

Not according to some of the geniuses here. According to them it is all just the administration and the players " wanting to win ".

Some 3* linemen and a JUCO linebacker


Point is to recruit men not *'s

[ur]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

So does that mean we get a LB commit also or does she just like the area more than watching her son play college football?

[Pig in the Pokey]

So does that mean we get a LB commit also or does she just like the area more than watching her son play college football?

a 4* LB would certainly be in the works.

[elksnort]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

This seems reasonable and possibly true. Thanks.

[ricepig]

This seems reasonable and possibly true. Thanks.

Yeah, because there were posts stating that Gus was 100% coming from Arkansas high school coaches........Hopefully it's true, but I don't think so.

[elksnort]

Yeah, because there were posts stating that Gus was 100% coming from Arkansas high school coaches........Hopefully it's true, but I don't think so.

Well, you know that I don't know. It makes you wonder why it is taking time to announce the new DC. I guess the obvious answer would be that said DC is still coaching. And I suppose that the longer it takes, then it would indicate the new DC is still coaching.
Great fresh logic, huh? lol

[pigture perfect]

With a fast pace quick scoring offense, I don't look for us to have great numbers on defense. We would have to build up our depth on the defensive side especially because they will be on the field longer. Whoever we get will have their work cut out for them. I look back at Willy Robertson. We sure didn't care for him too much or appreciate what it was to do what he did. I have to admit though, he did well for what he was given.

[hawgball40]

 

not a big fan, but i guess its better than what we got. He runs an aggressive attacking 4-3 style which i've always liked. the question is can we get the horses, as always. Guess we'll see, huh?

[ricepig]

Well, you know that I don't know. It makes you wonder why it is taking time to announce the new DC. I guess the obvious answer would be that said DC is still coaching. And I suppose that the longer it takes, then it would indicate the new DC is still coaching.
Great fresh logic, huh? lol

Or.......he's having to go further down his list.

[PorkSoda]

Or.......he's having to go further down his list.

what is the list that consists of top DC's not coaching a bowl?

I'll wait...

people checking in every day or every hour to see if we have hired a DC yet are going to have along wait.  to the tune of about 3-4 more weeks.

[PORKULATOR]

your memory must be short af. we had a top 10 defense two years ago...

his memory is shorter than those old veterans he's complaining about.
Our D was for real 2 or 3 years ago.

[CaliforniaHawg]

With a fast pace quick scoring offense, I don't look for us to have great numbers on defense. We would have to build up our depth on the defensive side especially because they will be on the field longer. Whoever we get will have their work cut out for them. I look back at Willy Robertson. We sure didn't care for him too much or appreciate what it was to do what he did. I have to admit though, he did well for what he was given.

I'm kind of looking at things the same way. We're going to give up yards and points, that's a given. What we need is a defense that can force some turnovers.

[FraggleHog]

N41UA in College Station today... Credit to FactChecker for the link

https://flight-data.adsbexchange.com/map?icao=A4D38A&date=2017-12-12

[hogsanity]

his memory is shorter than those old veterans he's complaining about.
Our D was for real 2 or 3 years ago.

3 years ago, as in 2015, when the Hogs gave up 51 to MSU, 52 to OM, 46 to aub ( in 4 ots ) , and 35 to TT. Gave up an avg of 27ppg?

Their best D was in 2014 when they put up back to back shut outs of LSu and OM.

[redeye]

I had the same thought, but CMM said he was the best DC in college football. Maybe I'm reading too much into semantics here but he is not in college football.

Not anymore, but he was the DC for LSU under Saban.

It seems odd that Trey would just tell us who it will be and no one else is saying anything.

If it is Chavis, we could do a whole lot worse.  He likes smaller, fast players and has a lot of SEC experience.  Grinch is my pick, but I hope our fans won't cry like babies if it's Chavis. 

[Next1_04]

Finebaum said on his show it will be Chavis.

[The_Iceman]

Finebaum said on his show it will be Chavis.

This plus the plane make it almost certain now that it will be Chavis.

[bob slydell]

My son who is a coach in the Dallas area spoke to a H.S. coaching friend who has sources within SMU and was told that Venables will be our DC. His wife wants to move back to this area and the fact that the Morris/Venable family are close. I had earlier heard from an SMU supporter that Morris had lobbied for the A&M job promising Venables was coming with him. I think the longer it goes without an announcement, then the odds increase that Venables might be our DC.

Maybe I'm just thick; but why would an SMU source know anything about the UofA DC position?

[HOGKING]

Chris Low is currently on bo's show and said he doesn't think it's Chavis.

[PorkSoda]

Maybe I'm just thick; but why would an SMU source know anything about the UofA DC position?

I think he was saying that before he got the arkansas job he was going after the TAMU job and that he told TAMU that he could get venables.

not sure if that is true, but that is what he is saying.

[King Kong]

Chris Low is currently on bo's show and said he doesn't think it's Chavis.

Chris Low is very plugged in with people that know Chavis.

That being said he did say never say never

[TX HOG]

The longer it drags out makes me think it might be our #1

[Hugo Bezdek]

The longer it drags out makes me think it might be our #1

I hope so. Venables is my top choice. If it's not him though I wonder if it could be Mike Stoops. With Bob Stoops retiring when he did, Lincoln Riley didn't really get to hire his own staff. I could see Venables making that connection since he's worked with both Stoops and Morris.