This guy has got to go now! Throwing more players under the bus...

[Wild Bill Hog]

You can only develop so much.  At some point,  natural talent has to take over.  If it isn't there,  it isn't there.

Whose responsibility is it to evaluate talent and then develop said talent? 

[onebadrubi]

I just find it funny that the one media member who tries to write "tough" (Bolin), is the one who is the most careful when asking questions.

You'd think Bolin was a mean ol' cuss with the articles he writes but he refuses to ask good questions in the conferences.

Because our fan base allows this without calling them out.  Bolin is a troll in writing and a saint in front any staff.  Yet many that believe his every word dont realize this.

[Kevin]

He said they are.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/videos/2017/oct/09/13700/

I call bull crap. definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting different results.

same guys playing oline and expecting different results.

[onebadrubi]

If that were actually true it's an even bigger indictment on the HC.

Doing less with more?  Yeah, we have a new leader for that title.

I meant to say coaching transition.

[PolishPigPower]

I've never liked his 'shooting from the lip' trash talk. It seemed to me the sign of a small mind.

This smacks of HDN in his final time here. He knows his goose is cooked, with little prospect of finding a new gig right away. Hope he has tucked away for a rainy day.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who is finding correlation between now and ten years ago.  Offensive line issues, unwilling to place the blame on Anderson/Markuson, blaming players, was all rah-rah when things were good but now is turning on his guys... just a lot of quacking and waddling, so I'm gonna call this duck a duck.

I believe CBB is a marketing genius and did a solid job of developing a "brand" in Fayetteville.  However, no one cares about your branding if your product is overpriced and horrible.  There's a reason no one is wearing Busta Rhymes' Bushi Sport label...

[12247]

Some are saying that BB may lose the team.  Except for a few fleeting moments, he has been losing the team since year 1.  But last year he pretty much lost it completely and he hasn't had the team this year at all.  This team is done.  There may be a few newbies start getting playing time and showing energy but overall, this team has quit and I really cannot blame them.  The leader doesn't understand mental toughness.

[cal34]

Bert is trying to usher in that buyout money.  It was obvious in his post game remarks that he has given up & doesn't care anymore.

[ATU HOG]

2 quotes that stand out to me are

"I took over a 3-9 program here"
We went 4-8 under John L... (not that that matters) but 2 years prior we went 11-2.  The program wasn't in 3-9 shape.  Maybe 6-6 shape, but not 3-9

2.  "Would have had the highest win total had it not been for the last 2 games"
That's why they play the games there coach.  I would have been a doctor had a stuck with pre-med in college

[EastexHawg]

Well,  is he throwing players under the bus,  or is he just telling the truth?  There does not seem to be a lot of talent and play makers on this team.

If only we could find the SOB whose job it is to go out and get that talent!

[DoctorSusscrofa]

The fault so often lies within one's self. Deal with your own issues before trying to correct the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like advice HV needs to hear.

[sylamore]

It should read; "There is a head coach, along with some some assistants that we hired years ago that just are not developing. Its frustrating."

[Inhogswetrust]

Is he admitting that the staff misevaluated some guys?

Either that or it's saying the coaches have failed at developing them and doesn't even realize what he's saying.

[hoghearted]

2 quotes that stand out to me are

"I took over a 3-9 program here"
We went 4-8 under John L... (not that that matters) but 2 years prior we went 11-2.  The program wasn't in 3-9 shape.  Maybe 6-6 shape, but not 3-9

2.  "Would have had the highest win total had it not been for the last 2 games"
That's why they play the games there coach.  I would have been a doctor had a stuck with pre-med in college

That's positively Hootenesque

"all they wanted to know was could we beat SMU" "I can't say enough about where we started when I got here"

[farmhawg]

I never imagined CBB would be capable of walking on the backs of our kids to save himself, but this is looking pretty ugly.

Thats your guy.

[Danny J]

He said they are.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/videos/2017/oct/09/13700/

Do YOU believe we are playing our most talented lineman or playing the guys who seem to perform better in practice? Is it possible he is playing favorites? Maybe some guys are doing better in class or being more enthusiastic during practice?

I have no idea since I don't see practice but it's hard to figure out how a true freshman walk on/blueshirt has beaten out 4 star 2 and 3 year players who have experience.

If he is playing favorites and giving certain guys more leeway while not affording the same to others is it possible there is a lot dissension among the players?

Honest questions...I just don't know. It could be a combo of all those things.

AA through 2 years has been the most hit QB in all of NCAA fb. No one can convince me that Pittman being replaced by Anderson isn't most of the problem. That's not just a coincidence. I also think some of it lies with AA and bad reads and holding the ball too long not to mention naked boots right into defender blitzing or staying home. Some of its on the play calling.

It's just a cluster****

[tlmack]

Who is Bert?

[Jek Tono Porkins]

2 quotes that stand out to me are

"I took over a 3-9 program here"
We went 4-8 under John L... (not that that matters) but 2 years prior we went 11-2.  The program wasn't in 3-9 shape.  Maybe 6-6 shape, but not 3-9

2.  "Would have had the highest win total had it not been for the last 2 games"
That's why they play the games there coach.  I would have been a doctor had a stuck with pre-med in college

Yeah no kidding. "Would have been my best team ever if we had won the last two games!" Yeah and if my aunt had stones she'd be my uncle. He didn't win those last two games. Instead he lost them in a fashion that included two second-half meltdowns that were so epic they ought to be added as an addendum to Beowulf.

[porkrindjimmy]

Who was it who told me two weeks ago that Bret was a good guy who would go quietly and there was no reason to ignite the flames of the Darksiders?

He is gonna be tough to get out. He has an ego the size of Nutt and you are fixing to see it in all its Glory....

Get Ready

PRJ

[Kevin]

Who was it who told me two weeks ago that Bret was a good guy who would go quietly and there was no reason to ignite the flames of the Darksiders?

He is gonna be tough to get out. He has an ego the size of Nutt and you are fixing to see it in all its Glory....

Get Ready

PRJ

yep, he whines around after losses, but he will find his spine when it comes to 15 million. the spine will be his wife.

[razorbackfaninar]

I am as frustrated as anyone else, and I would agree that most of it lands at Brett's feet and that he's probably done here, but before you angrily post in this thread you should probably listen to the interview.  To listen to that interview and come away with the notion that he is throwing players under the bus is beyond a stretch.  He was as complimentary of the players as he could be after the performance on Saturday, and I could not see anywhere where he threw anyone under the bus. Bielema has plenty of faults, we don't need to manufacture them.

[Kevin]

I am as frustrated as anyone else, and I would agree that most of it lands at Brett's feet and that he's probably done here, but before you angrily post in this thread you should probably listen to the interview.  To listen to that interview and come away with the notion that he is throwing players under the bus is beyond a stretch.  He was as complimentary of the players as he could be after the performance on Saturday, and I could not see anywhere where he threw anyone under the bus. Bielema has plenty of faults, we don't need to manufacture them.

he said players have not progressed like they should have. you can only coach to what the players do best. meaning they are limited.
yes, he threw them under the bus.

[porkrindjimmy]

yep, he whines around after losses, but he will find his spine when it comes to 15 million. the spine will be his wife.

But here is what he is gonna find out. Hootie had people who for some godforsaken reason, who loved him....

Bret ain't got that kinda in state love. It will get ugly if be doesnt bow out gracefully...

PRJ

[Ex-Trumpet]

But here is what he is gonna find out. Hootie had people who for some godforsaken reason, who loved him....

Bret ain't got that kinda in state love. It will get ugly if be doesnt bow out gracefully...

PRJ

Not sure what there is to get ugly...both parties signed a ridiculous contract.  Only way it gets ugly is if UA tries to get out of paying what they all agreed to.  And CBB will win if it comes to that.

[Seebs]

.

[porkrindjimmy]

Not sure what there is to get ugly...both parties signed a ridiculous contract.  Only way it gets ugly is if UA tries to get out of paying what they all agreed to.  And CBB will win if it comes to that.

Wait and see. He isn't going queitly. Bo saying it ain't gonna work...Chuck calling him on the carpet about trench warfare....Wally in his article....Bret just keeps rolling along like Bahgdad Bob....

And Long is more than likely gonna give him another year.

Wait and see.

PRJ

[ricepig]

If only we could find the SOB whose job it is to go out and get that talent!

I think Hugh will probably get a show cause..

[Ex-Trumpet]

Wait and see. He isn't going queitly. Bo saying it ain't gonna work...Chuck calling him on the carpet about trench warfare....Wally in his article....Bret just keeps rolling along like Bahgdad Bob....

And Long is more than likely gonna give him another year.

Wait and see.

PRJ

Oh, I don't doubt you!  I'm just saying that UA is the one that's most likely the party that's gonna cause a stink--it was a horrible contract to start with. 

The $15M buyout has already been contracted.  Any payout less than that would be out of the graciousness of CBB's heart (and Jenn's!!).

[hoglady]

But here is what he is gonna find out. Hootie had people who for some godforsaken reason, who loved him....

Bret ain't got that kinda in state love. It will get ugly if be doesnt bow out gracefully...

PRJ

I don't know whether it was folks liked Nutt so much.
But there were plenty of Central Arkansas people who liked and respected his father.
And I guess many who remembered Nutt's high school playing days.
People tend to cut more slack to their own people.

[ricepig]

Do YOU believe we are playing our most talented lineman or playing the guys who seem to perform better in practice? Is it possible he is playing favorites? Maybe some guys are doing better in class or being more enthusiastic during practice?

I have no idea since I don't see practice but it's hard to figure out how a true freshman walk on/blueshirt has beaten out 4 star 2 and 3 year players who have experience.

If he is playing favorites and giving certain guys more leeway while not affording the same to others is it possible there is a lot dissension among the players?

Honest questions...I just don't know. It could be a combo of all those things.

AA through 2 years has been the most hit QB in all of NCAA fb. No one can convince me that Pittman being replaced by Anderson isn't most of the problem. That's not just a coincidence. I also think some of it lies with AA and bad reads and holding the ball too long not to mention naked boots right into defender blitzing or staying home. Some of its on the play calling.

It's just a cluster****

I don't have any idea on the o-line, I didn't watch any practices this fall. All I can go on is FOTH, he seemed to indicate they were playing the best guys. As to playing favorites, maybe the play the guys they trust, again, I don't have a clue on the staff.

I will agree the o-line is terrible, and the blame calls on the staff, as do all the problems. I also don't see him pulling a Gary Andersen, he isn't quoting mid-season, or leaving money on the table. Want to get on that?   

[ricepig]

yep, he whines around after losses, but he will find his spine when it comes to 15 million. the spine will be his wife.

He ain't pulling a Gary Andersen....

[Redhogs]

Who is Bert?

The clueless idiot running this program...up to speed now skippy??

[Redhogs]

Wait and see. He isn't going queitly. Bo saying it ain't gonna work...Chuck calling him on the carpet about trench warfare....Wally in his article....Bret just keeps rolling along like Bahgdad Bob....

And Long is more than likely gonna give him another year.

Wait and see.

PRJ

Baghdad Bob....effing hilarious...this is just pitiful. Arkansas football will never be relevent again..it feels like we have the SMU death penalty.

[Redhogs]

He ain't pulling a Gary Andersen....

Ha..ha...suddenly nobody can find that #integrity stuff.

[seasonhog]

he said players have not progressed like they should have. you can only coach to what the players do best. meaning they are limited.
yes, he threw them under the bus.

Looking back at SC game.......Bret has lost his team.......he need to go now & a asst. to coach this team until we get a new head coach.

[hogcard1964]

Wait and see. He isn't going queitly. Bo saying it ain't gonna work...Chuck calling him on the carpet about trench warfare....Wally in his article....Bret just keeps rolling along like Bahgdad Bob....

And Long is more than likely gonna give him another year.

Wait and see.

PRJ

No, not at this point.  I thought he may be able to survive one more year just because of the 11.4 million on January 1, but there's now no way. Long is also starting to finally get pressure as well. 

He's gone. I just wish it was now instead of January 1.  People are now starting to see his true colors.  He's pretty much a stroke.

[razorbackfaninar]

he said players have not progressed like they should have. you can only coach to what the players do best. meaning they are limited.
yes, he threw them under the bus.

I think throwing players under the bus is saying "Hey Colton really stunk it up out there we could have won if not for him".  He was asked a specific question " Do you think it is a personnel issue" and he responded "a coach is only going to be able to coach at the level of what the personnel is, if we had a few more players depth wise that could have matured and been in the position to play right now (that would be better).  This is after he just finished saying that his biggest regret is that he didn't recruit a few more linemen 3 or 4 years ago.  Then he went on to praise most of the linemen by name.  This, in my opinion is not throwing anyone under the bus.  Again Bielema has plenty of issues that we can point out, I don't see the need to manufacture new ones.   

[sickboy]

Crimeny. You ladies are like cackling hens at a Sunday brunch. I'd like to move on from Bielema as much as the next Hog fan, but sitting around evaluating every little thing the guy lets loose out of his mouth is just plain useless. Have a little respect for yourselves, men. We aren't on the playground in Junior High.

[BassinHawg]

Talk about someone or something that hurts recruiting! Wow, what a dufuss! Great Job BELLYMA!

[Hogs-n-Roses]

Next step he'll sound like some here on Hogville,"you can recruit just so well to Arkansas".I'd bet money he goes there soon cuz he knows he's history. This is gonna get much uglier and its why coaches get let go early in seasons or get muzzled by their bosses.Wait a minit.

[Hoggiedawg]

No, not at this point.  I thought he may be able to survive one more year just because of the 11.4 million on January 1, but there's now no way. Long is also starting to finally get pressure as well. 

He's gone. I just wish it was now instead of January 1.  People are now starting to see his true colors.  He's pretty much a stroke.

He still has his followers just like Nutt had his.  The King of the Nutt huggers is still here telling us how poor lil arky can't expect more.  You'll see the fluffers around for a long while.....some of them use their real name and some don't.

[DLUXHOG]

While making excuses for his ineptitude.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/917438311479816192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwoopig.net%2Fboard%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2C88253.125.html

uhhhh.... not calling the kettle black or anything, but you've been ragging on the OL all year it appears......

[hawgon]

uhhhh.... not calling the kettle black or anything, but you've been ragging on the OL all year it appears......

Of course I have.  They are terrible, but they don't play for me and I'm not responsible for recruiting or coaching them up to be better.

[Hoggiedawg]

uhhhh.... not calling the kettle black or anything, but you've been ragging on the OL all year it appears......

Guess you don't know the difference ibetween a coach and a fan.  Figures.

[Carl Lazlo]

Looking back at SC game.......Bret has lost his team.......he need to go now & a asst. to coach this team until we get a new head coach.

Lunney as interim?

[rhames]

Crimeny. You ladies are like cackling hens at a Sunday brunch. I'd like to move on from Bielema as much as the next Hog fan, but sitting around evaluating every little thing the guy lets loose out of his mouth is just plain useless. Have a little respect for yourselves, men. We aren't on the playground in Junior High.

You're trying to bring reason to a mob of angry folks....


Although I heard what Bret had to say today in context about the oline. Nu question, why is it polar opposite if what he said prior to August 31?

[Hogs-n-Roses]

Lunney as interim?

Today!

[Hoggiedawg]

Lunney as interim?

Better than what some of the idiots around here have wanted.  Some of these idiots want PR.  Some of these idiots have actually started threads suggesting we make him HC.

[Locutus_of_Boar]

His comments are an admission of several things.

5. He knows the end is near. This season is going to be uglier than I originally suspected.

This.

Whatever else goes down Long will not tolerate a public pissin' match.  CBB might be fishing to get himself released immediately into the job market.

[GoHogs1091]

I thought before this season, BB would get another power 5 job somewhere in two years. Kansas State or maybe Iowa or Iowa St. Now, after the train wreck of a season not only do I think he won't get another P5 job, I think he won't get another D1 job again for some time. He may have to go the Bo Pelini route. Go FCS or D2 and in four-five years of running a program a C-USA or MAC team will give him another try.

Bielema may get a Defensive Coordinator position in the Weak 10 Conference, or a Head Coach position in the Sun Belt Conference.

[Bebop]

His comments are an admission of several things.

1. His evaluation of players is below average.
2. His is more than willing to throw former staff under the bus
3. His ability and the staff's ability to develop guys is below average.
4. He is not above chunking a kid or two under the bus.
5. He knows the end is near. This season is going to be uglier than I originally suspected.

Yes, you are on point and have shown the irony in his admission: Bielema's revelation shows more about him than the player and it isn't good.