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BannerMountainMan

Wth
February 18, 2017, 10:20:42 pm
How the heck is Tennessee the last team in the tourney right now LOL
"Michael Qualls with the dunk at the buzzer, it goes and Arkansas wins, it goes and Arkansas wins"

ShadowHawg

February 18, 2017, 10:26:10 pm #1
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on February 18, 2017, 10:20:42 pm
How the heck is Tennessee the last team in the tourney right now LOL

RPI has made entry into the tournament more about who you lose to than who you beat.
 

hogwood

February 18, 2017, 10:27:13 pm #2
So the SEC has 5 in?

BannerMountainMan

February 18, 2017, 10:27:51 pm #3
Quote from: ShadowHawg on February 18, 2017, 10:26:10 pm
RPI has made entry into the tournament more about who you lose to than who you beat.
they are freaking 15-12 and In the tourney as of right now LOL
"Michael Qualls with the dunk at the buzzer, it goes and Arkansas wins, it goes and Arkansas wins"

BannerMountainMan

February 18, 2017, 10:28:07 pm #4
"Michael Qualls with the dunk at the buzzer, it goes and Arkansas wins, it goes and Arkansas wins"

ErieHog

February 18, 2017, 10:29:33 pm #5
Quote from: ShadowHawg on February 18, 2017, 10:26:10 pm
RPI has made entry into the tournament more about who you lose to than who you beat.

People have a generally poor understanding not only of RPI, but how well it has buffered the SEC;  Florida's resume as a 3 seed looks super weak at first glance-- but it is almost entirely a creation of the buffering effect of RPI.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Swinesong1

February 18, 2017, 10:31:12 pm #6
Quote from: ErieHog on February 18, 2017, 10:29:33 pm
People have a generally poor understanding not only of RPI, but how well it has buffered the SEC;  Florida's resume as a 3 seed looks super weak at first glance-- but it is almost entirely a creation of the buffering effect of RPI.
And the fact their RPI is inflated due to having to play, and win, a lot of road games to begin the season. 

hogwood

February 18, 2017, 10:31:41 pm #7
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on February 18, 2017, 10:28:07 pm
yes

What site are you seeing this on? Lunardi's last update was 02/16.

BannerMountainMan

February 18, 2017, 10:33:25 pm #8
Quote from: hogwood on February 18, 2017, 10:31:41 pm
What site are you seeing this on? Lunardi's last update was 02/16.
Dari Nowkah and Pat Bradley were just saying Tennessee is the last team in because Lunardi updated it on SEC network and it showed em all and there was a huge pause and it said very happily "As of now the SEC has 5 in"
"Michael Qualls with the dunk at the buzzer, it goes and Arkansas wins, it goes and Arkansas wins"

ErieHog

February 18, 2017, 10:33:40 pm #9
Quote from: Swinesong1 on February 18, 2017, 10:31:12 pm
And the fact their RPI is inflated due to having to play, and win, a lot of road games to begin the season. 

RPI can't be inflated;  it is what it is-- a self-contained, self-correcting system.    The problem is systemic, not value specific to Florida.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

BannerMountainMan

February 18, 2017, 10:34:03 pm #10
Watch the SEC now, when it replay starts after the next hour
"Michael Qualls with the dunk at the buzzer, it goes and Arkansas wins, it goes and Arkansas wins"

hog.goblin

February 18, 2017, 10:34:44 pm #11
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on February 18, 2017, 10:27:51 pm
they are freaking 15-12 and In the tourney as of right now LOL

Well technically they aren't in just yet

Swinesong1

February 18, 2017, 10:35:39 pm #12
Quote from: ErieHog on February 18, 2017, 10:33:40 pm
RPI can't be inflated;  it is what it is-- a self-contained, self-correcting system.    The problem is systemic, not value specific to Florida.
Ok
 

hogwood

February 19, 2017, 12:05:04 am #13
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on February 18, 2017, 10:33:25 pm
Dari Nowkah and Pat Bradley were just saying Tennessee is the last team in because Lunardi updated it on SEC network and it showed em all and there was a huge pause and it said very happily "As of now the SEC has 5 in"

Oh thanks.

biglewhog77

February 19, 2017, 12:18:56 am #14
WTH :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

WorfHog

February 19, 2017, 01:26:28 am #15
Tenners best win is a two point loss to UNC.  :puke: Not tourney material.

Do 17-18 win teams make the dance?

Dominicanhog

February 19, 2017, 05:15:42 am #16
Quote from: WorfHog on February 19, 2017, 01:26:28 am
Tenners best win is a two point loss to UNC.  :puke: Not tourney material.

Do 17-18 win teams make the dance?

only in the ACC and B1G

rmcchris

February 19, 2017, 08:32:53 am #17
Joe L lost a lot of respect everywhere, even with some of the pundits on ESPN, with Clemson in the field? A 14-10 team at the time and lost after that as well.  Come on, where does that crap come from?  Strength of schedule?  Good Losses?  Bull.  Anybody else notice that?   I'm sure he took it down quickly after another loss.  Anybody make an argument for them?

gmarv

February 19, 2017, 08:48:01 am #18
Quote from: WorfHog on February 19, 2017, 01:26:28 am
Tenners best win is a two point loss to UNC.  :puke: Not tourney material.

Do 17-18 win teams make the dance?
I don,t disagree that they are not ncaa tourney material but they did beat kenlucky.

lynbug

February 19, 2017, 09:07:37 am #19
So then, who did they replace....Arkansas or Alabama.  And what about Vandy who is trending upward and the commentators were talking about the Commodores playing their way in.  The SEC is turning out to be a mind blower for the selection committee.  Sad reality is that is will probably come down to the SEC tourney once again where crazy things happen.

jjdlc

February 19, 2017, 10:39:21 am #20
Quote from: sevenof400 on February 19, 2017, 10:16:44 am
And if that statement continues to be true, the fault will be squarely on the SEC's shoulders for not doing enough to change the reality the SEC is a weak basketball conference.

Reality is the SEC is much better this year, but it takes time to dig out from under the mantle of being a weak conference.

Look at how the talking heads continue to talk about Arkansas not being able to win on the road, when in fact that hasn't really been the case in 3 years, and especially not this year.  The SEC just needs to keep doing what it's doing, and get a few more marquee OOC wins over the next few years, while cutting out the ugly losses and they'll start getting the respect back.

Hooch

February 19, 2017, 11:12:45 am #21
Quote from: sevenof400 on February 19, 2017, 10:16:44 am
And if that statement continues to be true, the fault will be squarely on the SEC's shoulders for not doing enough to change the reality the SEC is a weak basketball conference.

They should try to get some type of challenge with the perceived best bball conference and match similar teams and see who wins. 

ErieHog

February 19, 2017, 12:17:52 pm #22
Quote from: sevenof400 on February 19, 2017, 11:21:31 am
The Big 12 / SEC challenge was / is certainly a step in the right direction.  It would be nice for the SEC to do something similar with another conference - even one that wasn't a P5 conference would help if properly chosen.  Say the A10 for example....

The A10 has as good or better reputation as a basketball conference than some of the 'P5', over the last several years.     
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

February 19, 2017, 12:23:39 pm #23 Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 12:45:15 pm by ErieHog
Quote from: WorfHog on February 19, 2017, 01:26:28 am
Tenners best win is a two point loss to UNC.  :puke: Not tourney material.

Do 17-18 win teams make the dance?

Tennessee has games left against  Vandy, SC, Alabama, and LSU.      They'll need to win a minimum of 3, probably 4 with the SECT to still make the field, which would put them at 19, with a 10-8 or 9-9 conference record.

The Tournament has taken a 17 win SEC team before (2003 Alabama),  but has 10 times taken teams with 19 or fewer wins *and* a losing conference record from major conferences, in the last 20 years--  so about every other year it happens for someone in a major conference with a worse track record than Tennessee seems likely to end up having.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

20gauge

February 19, 2017, 12:36:58 pm #24
Shows how important a quality win is. Beating Kentucky helped them big time and not getting manhandled by top teams for the most part have helped them.

alaback

February 19, 2017, 01:02:34 pm #25
Quote from: Dominicanhog on February 19, 2017, 05:15:42 am
only in the ACC and B1G

In the 00-01 season UGA made the tournament with a 16-14 record.  They were a 9 seed and lost to Mizzou by 2. 

lynbug

February 19, 2017, 02:57:13 pm #26
Quote from: ErieHog on February 19, 2017, 12:23:39 pm
Tennessee has games left against  Vandy, SC, Alabama, and LSU.      They'll need to win a minimum of 3, probably 4 with the SECT to still make the field, which would put them at 19, with a 10-8 or 9-9 conference record.

The Tournament has taken a 17 win SEC team before (2003 Alabama), but has 10 times taken teams with 19 or fewer wins *and* a losing conference record from major conferences, in the last 20 years--  so about every other year it happens for someone in a major conference with a worse track record than Tennessee seems likely to end up having.
And some of those times have been when those teams went deep in their conference tourney.

ErieHog

February 19, 2017, 03:20:19 pm #27
Quote from: lynbug on February 19, 2017, 02:57:13 pm
And some of those times have been when those teams went deep in their conference tourney.

Not really, no.

I'll go through the last 4 of them really quick, because I have their info right at hand.

2008-2009 Arizona--  Lost 1st round PAC-10 Tournament
2007-2008 Arizona--  Lost 2nd round PAC-10 Tournament
2004-2005 NC State-- Lost ACC Semifinals
2002-2003 Alabama-  Lost 1st round SEC Tournament
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

20gauge

February 19, 2017, 05:37:00 pm #28
Quote from: alaback on February 19, 2017, 01:02:34 pm
In the 00-01 season UGA made the tournament with a 16-14 record.  They were a 9 seed and lost to Mizzou by 2.
Did they not get the auto bid from winning the SECt?

Had to look it up. Basically that year they didn't take any bad losses. Their worst loss was to a team that had a 61rpi. They had a 6 game run to close out the regular season and I think 3 of those teams were ranked. Also that season the SEC was rated as the toughest conference overall. That hasn't been the case here lately though
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