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Drewhog

February 23, 2016, 07:43:15 pm
...returning players in the SEC next season.  What say ye? ??? ;D

ErieHog

February 23, 2016, 07:51:11 pm #1
Possibly.  It'll depend on how many of Kentucky's kids opt out, and how many return.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

phadedhawg

February 23, 2016, 07:58:51 pm #2
Preseason First Team All SEC...maybe...

lookawayquick

February 23, 2016, 08:02:35 pm #3
Tremendous improvement this year.  Still a big upside.  If he can limit the mental lapses and stop putting the ball on the floor, he will have bright future.

HogFoo

February 23, 2016, 08:16:51 pm #4
I dont  ever remember a player make improvement  from 1 yr to the next like Kingsley.  Dalvon Johnson did  a similar type of improvement for his senior season.  But he didnt have an outside shot like Kingsley,  nor the ability to handle the ball.    If kingsley keeps this up and comes back next season, he could be a top 20 pick.  I also am glad that jimmy whitt is finally starting to come around as well.  Thompson showing signs of breaking out too!  It sure gives us hope that our team next season will be pretty dang good. 

Kingsley, an improved whitt, hannahs hot shot, Thompson improved, Beard hopefully better, and then adding all the newcomers, which are all some of the top, if not the top scorers in jucos ranks.  It gives me a lot of hope for next year.  I was highly doubtful after the auburn loss, but i can see light now.  Its just going to take a little while, but hopefully mike gets it done.  Still wish he'd hire a top recruiter/coach and follow  Bielema's example of hiring the best recruiters he could get.
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IronMountainHog

February 23, 2016, 08:18:14 pm #5
Wait just a minute. You can't come to Arkansas and be any good or put yourself in position to get drafted. Marcus Monk said so ;)

WorfHog

February 23, 2016, 08:18:24 pm #6
If Moses could develop even a bit of outside shooting he'd be almost unstoppable.  That move he made on the breakaway in the second half was sick.

WorfHog

February 23, 2016, 08:18:54 pm #7
Quote from: IronMountainHog on February 23, 2016, 08:18:14 pm
Wait just a minute. You can't come to Arkansas and be any good or put yourself in position to get drafted. Marcus Monk said so ;)

Marcus Monk just wants to make $$$ being an agent.

HogFoo

February 23, 2016, 08:21:26 pm #8
He doesn't have the 3, but he has a nice  10-15ft shot he makes pretty consistently.
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

shown006

February 23, 2016, 08:43:32 pm #9
Quote from: ErieHog on February 23, 2016, 07:51:11 pm
Possibly.  It'll depend on how many of Kentucky's kids opt out, and how many return.
Just about all of Kentucky's incoming players (Monk, etc.) will be hyped heavily.
WPS!

Jonteviosk

February 23, 2016, 09:38:19 pm #10
Talking about extremes last year Kentucky dominant insude but weak perimeter...this year pretty much the opposite of last years wow.
You never know in advance what the outcome of any given situation is so either get busy living or get busy dying.

ErieHog

February 23, 2016, 10:02:22 pm #11
Quote from: shown006 on February 23, 2016, 08:43:32 pm
Just about all of Kentucky's incoming players (Monk, etc.) will be hyped heavily.

Yeah, but as this thread is about returnees only, from the subject, they won't be involved in consideration of returning players.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

OperationRestoreHawgBall

February 23, 2016, 10:04:47 pm #12
Has to figure out how to stop racking up so many fouls so early in the game. Also needs to improve free throw game
 

hulk hog

February 23, 2016, 10:21:18 pm #13
Quote from: IronMountainHog on February 23, 2016, 08:18:14 pm
Wait just a minute. You can't come to Arkansas and be any good or put yourself in position to get drafted. Marcus Monk said so ;)

And I thought this was about Moses. In case you haven't noticed we have had one player drafted since Mike got here.

Now back to what this thread was about.  Moses will be the second player Mike will have drafted. He should be first team pre-season all SEC and a potential POY candidate.  The kid has been one of the most improved players I have seen in over 40 years as a Hog fan. I just wish he would have hit his stride a year sooner. Hopefully Thompson builds on his performance tonight and some of the newcomers give us some help inside and Kingsley can really take off.
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choppedporkextrasauce

February 23, 2016, 10:28:59 pm #14
Quote from: ErieHog on February 23, 2016, 07:51:11 pm
Possibly.  It'll depend on how many of Kentucky's kids opt out, and how many return.
possibly???
His game should be even better next season and he'll have far more help. It's without a doubt he'll be the player returning with the most double doubles from this season cause Big Ben is almost gone.

WBOBO

February 23, 2016, 10:30:57 pm #15
Moses will be one of the most hyped players in the SEC next season but he also needs  to become
a leader like the "Admiral" was in college and also in the NBA.  He needs that kind of persona, and
he can get their I believe.
The difference between ordinary and extraordinary is that little extra.

ErieHog

February 23, 2016, 10:32:10 pm #16
Quote from: choppedporkextrasauce on February 23, 2016, 10:28:59 pm
possibly???
His game should be even better next season and he'll have far more help. It's without a doubt he'll be the player returning with the most double doubles from this season cause Big Ben is almost gone.

If Kentucky returns 3 or 4 of their guys, they'll almost assuredly be the most hyped.  That takes a ton of the air out of the bubble, when you are talking about them potentially blotting up more than half the available slots.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

choppedporkextrasauce

February 23, 2016, 10:41:41 pm #17
Quote from: ErieHog on February 23, 2016, 10:32:10 pm
If Kentucky returns 3 or 4 of their guys, they'll almost assuredly be the most hyped.  That takes a ton of the air out of the bubble, when you are talking about them potentially blotting up more than half the available slots.
Not one will have the stats that Moses has.

ErieHog

February 23, 2016, 10:43:05 pm #18
Quote from: choppedporkextrasauce on February 23, 2016, 10:41:41 pm
Not one will have the stats that Moses has.

Of course not--  the question asked wasn't about stats.  The question asked, was about hype.  You won't get more hype than Kentucky.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

choppedporkextrasauce

February 23, 2016, 10:54:21 pm #19
Moses stat line will give him deserved hype.

Player returning with most double doubles.
Top 10 Sec scorer
Top 5 Sec rebounder
Top 2 Sec shot blocker
Top Sec offensive rebounder
Top 5 Sec shooting percentage

Of course UK will have the media stuck up their butts still Moses has a chance to be the real deal.

IronMountainHog

February 23, 2016, 11:00:07 pm #20
Quote from: hulk hog on February 23, 2016, 10:21:18 pm
And I thought this was about Moses. In case you haven't noticed we have had one player drafted since Mike got here.

Now back to what this thread was about.  Moses will be the second player Mike will have drafted. He should be first team pre-season all SEC and a potential POY candidate.  The kid has been one of the most improved players I have seen in over 40 years as a Hog fan. I just wish he would have hit his stride a year sooner. Hopefully Thompson builds on his performance tonight and some of the newcomers give us some help inside and Kingsley can really take off.
Thanks thread police for keeping on subject. For the record officer, I was being sarcastic. Always amusing getting straightened out by a newbie with less than 90 posts and a Superhero as an avatar.

yraciv

February 24, 2016, 12:14:32 am #21
Maybe! He'll be right below:
1. Deaaron Fox
2. Bam Adebayo
3. Malik Monk
4. Skal Labissiere
5. Terrance Ferguson - Bama commit

All kidding aside, I know Moses isn't a 1st round pick like some of these guys coming up, but I don't see any of the Top SEC players such as Simmons, Ullis, Damian Jones, or Jamaal Murray coming back. His returning post competition would be Yambe Maden & John Egbunu.

OperationRestoreHawgBall

February 24, 2016, 01:04:21 am #22
Newsflash. The stats get spread around when every spot is filled with nba type talent and once they buy into Calipari's system.



Quote from: choppedporkextrasauce on February 23, 2016, 10:54:21 pm
Moses stat line will give him deserved hype.

Player returning with most double doubles.
Top 10 Sec scorer
Top 5 Sec rebounder
Top 2 Sec shot blocker
Top Sec offensive rebounder
Top 5 Sec shooting percentage

Of course UK will have the media stuck up their butts still Moses has a chance to be the real deal.

OperationRestoreHawgBall

February 24, 2016, 01:06:06 am #23
Yeah, everyone knows the really smart people on here have the most posts...

Quote from: IronMountainHog on February 23, 2016, 11:00:07 pm
Thanks thread police for keeping on subject. For the record officer, I was being sarcastic. Always amusing getting straightened out by a newbie with less than 90 posts and a Superhero as an avatar.
 

ErieHog

February 24, 2016, 01:09:46 am #24
Quote from: yraciv on February 24, 2016, 12:14:32 am
Maybe! He'll be right below:
1. Deaaron Fox
2. Bam Adebayo
3. Malik Monk
4. Skal Labissiere
5. Terrance Ferguson - Bama commit

All kidding aside, I know Moses isn't a 1st round pick like some of these guys coming up, but I don't see any of the Top SEC players such as Simmons, Ullis, Damian Jones, or Jamaal Murray coming back. His returning post competition would be Yambe Maden & John Egbunu.

Commits aren't returning players, so can be stricken from consideration.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TNhawgfan

February 24, 2016, 07:48:21 am #25
Top 5 most hyped players, I'm not sure...Top 5 player in the league, absolutely!
I'd rather be dead than be a Vol

Scott7703

February 24, 2016, 07:51:48 am #26
Quote from: yraciv on February 24, 2016, 12:14:32 am
Maybe! He'll be right below:
1. Deaaron Fox
2. Bam Adebayo
3. Malik Monk
4. Skal Labissiere
5. Terrance Ferguson - Bama commit

All kidding aside, I know Moses isn't a 1st round pick like some of these guys coming up, but I don't see any of the Top SEC players such as Simmons, Ullis, Damian Jones, or Jamaal Murray coming back. His returning post competition would be Yambe Maden & John Egbunu.


This list can't be serious. Kingsley has more than proven himself while the others are hype only at this point.

hobhog

February 24, 2016, 08:18:18 am #27
Anyone else think he is playing in the NBA next year besides me?

Hawg Red

February 24, 2016, 08:21:58 am #28
Quote from: hobhog on February 24, 2016, 08:18:18 am
Anyone else think he is playing in the NBA next year besides me?

I don't think anyone in the NBA thinks he's playing in the NBA next year.

BRHogfan

February 24, 2016, 08:33:31 am #29
Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2016, 01:09:46 am
Commits aren't returning players, so can be stricken from consideration.

I feel like people are just ignoring you in this thread.

Scott7703

February 24, 2016, 08:45:06 am #30
Quote from: hobhog on February 24, 2016, 08:18:18 am
Anyone else think he is playing in the NBA next year besides me?


I worry about this. Going to be crucial for our teams success that he comes back.

TNhawgfan

February 24, 2016, 11:23:04 am #31
Quote from: hobhog on February 24, 2016, 08:18:18 am
Anyone else think he is playing in the NBA next year besides me?
Overseas is a possibility. Won't be in the NBA next year
I'd rather be dead than be a Vol

ErieHog

February 24, 2016, 12:39:08 pm #32
Quote from: hobhog on February 24, 2016, 08:18:18 am
Anyone else think he is playing in the NBA next year besides me?

Nobody who understands the NBA.     There is a reason why he isn't on any draft radar;  he's a very good college player now, but in no way a professional.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

yraciv

February 24, 2016, 03:09:50 pm #33
Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2016, 01:09:46 am
Commits aren't returning players, so can be stricken from consideration.

You are right that he would be considered that. I was thinking more along the line of preseason All SEC 1st team.

yraciv

February 24, 2016, 03:13:16 pm #34
Quote from: Scott7703 on February 24, 2016, 08:45:06 am

I worry about this. Going to be crucial for our teams success that he comes back.

Like others have said, he won't be in the NBA. Good college player, could make a dent pro overseas, fringe NBA prospect.

Hawg414

February 24, 2016, 03:19:18 pm #35
Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2016, 12:39:08 pm
Nobody who understands the NBA.     There is a reason why he isn't on any draft radar;  he's a very good college player now, but in no way a professional.

thats true of about 80% of underclassmen who declare.
nowdays.. if a kid scores 8pts a game in college and grabs 3 rebounds.. he's going to the league!

ErieHog

February 24, 2016, 04:39:15 pm #36
Quote from: Hawg414 on February 24, 2016, 03:19:18 pm
thats true of about 80% of underclassmen who declare.
nowdays.. if a kid scores 8pts a game in college and grabs 3 rebounds.. he's going to the league!

No, it isn't.

The facts simply don't bear out those kinds of assertions.

Here is a cheat sheet that shows what the actual draft rate is, historically-- about 8% go undrafted, not 80%.
They almost all make NBA rosters, or are placed in the D-League.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24586611/draft-trends-underclassmen-who-declare-have-great-odds-of-being-drafted
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

swinesation

February 24, 2016, 11:01:59 pm #37
Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2016, 12:39:08 pm
Nobody who understands the NBA.     There is a reason why he isn't on any draft radar;  he's a very good college player now, but in no way a professional.

What does this mean? How is he not a professional?

ErieHog

February 24, 2016, 11:11:51 pm #38
Quote from: swinesation on February 24, 2016, 11:01:59 pm
What does this mean? How is he not a professional?

He's light years from pro-ready.    Portis last year, was pro-ready.

He has the athleticism, but not the polish.    He needs face up to the basket work, help defense work, work on resisting shot fakes,  learning to play with foul trouble,  more work on how to fill as a trailer, and more work in iso situations.    It'd be nice if he worked more on turning over both shoulders as well.

Too many people see a guy who puts up a 20/10 line in a college game, and think  'that kind of productivity must surely translate to being a professional basketball player'--    it doesn't.   Skills translate.    Polish translates.  Shooting usually translates.

He's a fine college player today--  he's not a pro by any measure.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Pork Twain

February 25, 2016, 05:29:41 am #39
I would say we will be primed for a really good year if everyone comes back and everyone makes it to campus.
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Iwastherein1969

February 25, 2016, 06:17:59 am #40
Quote from: ErieHog on February 23, 2016, 07:51:11 pm
Possibly.  It'll depend on how many of Kentucky's kids opt out, and how many return.
You know, it is sad when we are forced to take a back seat to UK on hyping a great player. Moses' ceiling on his ability hasn't even come into sight yet. Kingsley is going to be a man among boys next season. On the UK thing, I watched with a smile the other night when Chicago played the Timber Wolves and Portis guarded and was being guarded by one Karl Anthony Townes. BP took Townes outside to the 3 point line, then took him off the dribble inside to the cup and then posted-up the UK great just inside the free throw line and then proceeded to take Townes to school off with his footwork. Portis future is as bright as it gets and he is the steal of the draft. If only the Monks could understand its not where you go to school, they'll (the NBA) will find you if you can play the game.
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wheelspigharvey

February 25, 2016, 08:41:46 am #41
Quote from: Iwastherein1969 on February 25, 2016, 06:17:59 am
If only the Monks could understand its not where you go to school, they'll (the NBA) will find you if you can play the game.

I think it's less about the career and more about that first contract with the NBA. Playing the money part is huge, you want the most money as quickly as possible, and a higher pick can give you that.  Not only will they develop you, but at UK you will get hype.  Having something like that in our pocked will take some time. 

hogwood

February 25, 2016, 11:39:04 am #42
Quote from: Drewhog on February 23, 2016, 07:43:15 pm
...returning players in the SEC next season.  What say ye? ??? ;D

I agree

Iwastherein1969

February 25, 2016, 10:30:47 pm #43
Quote from: wheelspigharvey on February 25, 2016, 08:41:46 am
I think it's less about the career and more about that first contract with the NBA. Playing the money part is huge, you want the most money as quickly as possible, and a higher pick can give you that.  Not only will they develop you, but at UK you will get hype.  Having something like that in our pocked will take some time.
If Tyler Ulis stays another year, and I think he just might. Monk, maybe for the first time in his life may find himself riding the pine. After the Archie Goodwin fiasco at UK, I have serious doubts as to whether Monk will even crack the starting line up. If that happens, then what ? More money to Marcus to keep his little brother's mouth shut ?
The long Grey line will never fail our country.

HVHog

February 27, 2016, 10:07:16 pm #44
He is better than Portis and will prove it in the NBA, but not here.

HawgnCorona

February 27, 2016, 10:15:28 pm #45
Quote from: shown006 on February 23, 2016, 08:43:32 pm
Just about all of Kentucky's incoming players (Monk, etc.) will be hyped heavily.

Like you said it and agree, it's just hype. So regardless of what happens at UK, MK will get his...he HAS proven he can perform. So any hype for him is well deserved.
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting, get understanding." --   Proverbs 4:7

"Live justly, love mercy and to walk humbly with the Most High."-- Micah 6:8

HawgnCorona

February 27, 2016, 10:39:26 pm #46
Quote from: choppedporkextrasauce on February 23, 2016, 10:41:41 pm
Not one will have the stats that Moses has.

His play at the 4:21 mark is prime example why he deserves any and all hype given if he stays(he should).
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting, get understanding." --   Proverbs 4:7

"Live justly, love mercy and to walk humbly with the Most High."-- Micah 6:8

ErieHog

February 28, 2016, 10:39:06 am #47
Quote from: HVHog on February 27, 2016, 10:07:16 pm
He is better than Portis and will prove it in the NBA, but not here.


And people wonder why our fan base is regarded as reality-challenged.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jjdlc

February 28, 2016, 10:54:54 am #48
Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2016, 11:11:51 pm
He's light years from pro-ready.    Portis last year, was pro-ready.

He has the athleticism, but not the polish.    He needs face up to the basket work, help defense work, work on resisting shot fakes,  learning to play with foul trouble,  more work on how to fill as a trailer, and more work in iso situations.    It'd be nice if he worked more on turning over both shoulders as well.

Too many people see a guy who puts up a 20/10 line in a college game, and think  'that kind of productivity must surely translate to being a professional basketball player'--    it doesn't.   Skills translate.    Polish translates.  Shooting usually translates.

He's a fine college player today--  he's not a pro by any measure.

This, if he comes back next year, and fixes a few things, he'll get drafted.  If he declares this year, there is a really high probability they'll want him to go to the D-League for a year or two.  Of course he could make better money overseas. 

Dominicanhog

February 28, 2016, 11:55:58 am #49
Let's hope....
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