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Why did we not sign a full 25?

Started by TheRazorbackGuy, February 05, 2015, 07:50:58 am

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TheRazorbackGuy

I'm just wondering. I saw Hogs drop from 9th in the SEC in recruiting to 11th in the SEC in recruiting and Dominque Reed was the only new guy. What was the reason for not signing one or two more? Are we trying to bring in graduate transfers?

Großer Kriegschwein

Probably left one out for an in-state kid that announced on signing day.
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TheRazorbackGuy

Quote from: Großer Kriegschwein on February 05, 2015, 07:52:59 am
Probably left one out for an in-state kid that announced on signing day.

Which kid is that?


lefty08

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Losing gracefully isn't taught in second-tier programs. See Arkansas, Cincinnati, et al.
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bigdaddyhawg

Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on February 05, 2015, 07:50:58 am
I'm just wondering. I saw Hogs drop from 9th in the SEC in recruiting to 11th in the SEC in recruiting and Dominque Reed was the only new guy. What was the reason for not signing one or two more? Are we trying to bring in graduate transfers?

Go watch Sam Pittman's NSD interview.  It's short, but he does a good job of explaining why they didn't sign another kid.
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collegestationhog

Makes me think B left a spot open for a prospect that wasn't made public. Someone maybe we didn't have a real good shot at getting but there was a small chance. Maybe from California

Piggfoot

Perhaps CBB will offer to a hardworking walkon?
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Dirty

CBB only signed 24 so you could start this thread!

immahog

yesterday BB said we ran out off sholorships an had to have a kid (if so who?) to tear up a scolly in order to offer someone (sykes) I think and we are still one short....I don't understand that at all?  and how in the hell has the vols signed almost 60 players in 2 years ????
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lefty08

Quote from: immahog on February 05, 2015, 08:38:19 am
yesterday BB said we ran out off sholorships an had to have a kid (if so who?) to tear up a scolly in order to offer someone (sykes) I think and we are still one short....I don't understand that at all?  and how in the hell has the vols signed almost 60 players in 2 years ????

It means there is 1 still out there and 1 spot left. Do the math, we will fill that spot
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Scott7703

Quote from: lefty08 on February 05, 2015, 08:05:21 am
I think we will sign another

From the way EK franks talked they will. He said there was tons of interest.

 

onebadrubi

Quote from: immahog on February 05, 2015, 08:38:19 am
yesterday BB said we ran out off sholorships an had to have a kid (if so who?) to tear up a scolly in order to offer someone (sykes) I think and we are still one short....I don't understand that at all?  and how in the hell has the vols signed almost 60 players in 2 years ????

Your info is wrong.  We sent a kid a LOI, the kid was going to go in a different direction so he has to verify that Loi is no longer sign able before he could send out another one. 

TNhawgfan

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 05, 2015, 08:12:18 am
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immahog

Quote from: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 09:01:55 am
Your info is wrong.  We sent a kid a LOI, the kid was going to go in a different direction so he has to verify that Loi is no longer sign able before he could send out another one.

oh ok thanks seems I heard that wrong .....guess he was talking about Scott
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hawginbigd1

Quote from: onebadrubi on February 05, 2015, 09:01:55 am
Your info is wrong.  We sent a kid a LOI, the kid was going to go in a different direction so he has to verify that Loi is no longer sign able before he could send out another one.
This is speculation on my part, they decided they wanted Sykes, and told Scott we didn't have a place for him after we had originally offered. So all of that means one of either Hill or Weathersby had an offer on the table yesterday but not both.........or both had offers yesterday morning and Reed ended up getting one of the two when they went elsewhere.

Bkhardicars

they kept one for K.J. I'm of the opinion we still would have taken Reed even if K.J. Would have signed with us. It will be interesting to see some fall out from other schools asking kids to gray shirt. (auburn lost a 4 star today to K. State for that reason).  Long story short, I'm sure  we have plenty of good options for the last scholarship.

bigdaddyhawg

Quote from: hawginbigd1 on February 05, 2015, 09:11:33 am
So all of that means one of either Hill or Weathersby had an offer on the table yesterday but not both.........

Quote from: Bkhardicars on February 05, 2015, 10:41:28 am
they kept one for K.J.

I don't think so.  I think the one they were hoping to get was Weathersby, and when he chose LSU we had no immediate back up plan.

This is kind of confirmed by Pittman's comments.
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IBleedRazorbackRed

Quote from: bigdaddyhawg on February 05, 2015, 10:48:23 am
I don't think so.  I think the one they were hoping to get was Weathersby, and when he chose LSU we had no immediate back up plan.

This is kind of confirmed by Pittman's comments.

They've known Weathersby was gone for a few days now. They had a spot for KJ. He was the hometown kid, you never know but the emotion of signing at his school may lead him to want to stay home. And when you add in the fact that BB was recruiting him via twitter a couple days ago, it shows that Bielema thought they had a chance even if it was a small chance.

CDBHawg


HillBillyHogfan

Ran out of schollys... and unlike former head coaching regimes, we actually recruit classes now where all LOI's will actually qualify academically.
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EastexHawg

Quote from: hawginbigd1 on February 05, 2015, 09:11:33 am
This is speculation on my part, they decided they wanted Sykes, and told Scott we didn't have a place for him after we had originally offered.

Is there a reason for thinking this may be the case?

Wildhog

Quote from: HillBillyHogfan on February 05, 2015, 11:09:04 am
Ran out of schollys... and unlike former head coaching regimes, we actually recruit classes now where all LOI's will actually qualify academically.

We hope.
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inhognation

According to an article I read on LSU's class they didn't know about Weathersby for sure until 3 AM on signing day.  Before you ask for a link, I don't have one.  But I think it was an article in the Baton Rouge Advocate and was a quote from their recruiting cordinator

hawginbigd1

Quote from: EastexHawg on February 05, 2015, 11:13:18 am
Is there a reason for thinking this may be the case?
He seemed all hog until Monday afternoon or tuesday morning, and then turned into all UCF like suddenly. Been said that Monday we knew we were getting Sykes. I am assuming you heard BB state that he had to have a recruit destroy NLI, so he could send one to another.

CDBHawg

Quote from: HillBillyHogfan on February 05, 2015, 11:09:04 am
Ran out of schollys... and unlike former head coaching regimes, we actually recruit classes now where all LOI's will actually qualify academically.

Ran out of schollys?

We signed one less than the alloted amount. We signed less because Kj Hill and Wrathersby went elsewhere.

Oklahawg

Quote from: CDBHawg on February 05, 2015, 12:00:48 pm
Ran out of schollys?

We signed one less than the alloted amount. We signed less because Kj Hill and Wrathersby went elsewhere.

Held a scholie in case Weathersby flipped or KJ re-committed to UA. Nice situation to be in, although I'd prefer one of them decided to bring their talent to UA.
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Qhog

It seems like a few of you don't realize how hard it is to land on an exact number with 17-year old kids changing their mind, flipping coins, etc.  The coaches work extremely hard to get to the right number, and there are undoubtedly many tricky conversations the UA staff has with recruits, parents, coaches, etc. 

Coaches try to get the recruits to let them know in advance, but some kids either can't or don't want to make up their mind until the bitter end.

One short isn't a huge deal, and there now is an opportunity to catch a great player that may have delayed for some reason.

HillBillyHogfan

Quote from: CDBHawg on February 05, 2015, 12:00:48 pm
Ran out of schollys?

We signed one less than the alloted amount. We signed less because Kj Hill and Wrathersby went elsewhere.

yes, but a team can only have 85 on scholarship total, so if you keep everyone and all stay eligible and don't transfer then you can never have the full 25 per year.  I think we graduated something like 18 last year and only had a few transfer/get booted. 

I was implying total scholarships and not signees.

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CDBHawg

Quote from: HillBillyHogfan on February 05, 2015, 12:31:20 pm
yes, but a team can only have 85 on scholarship total, so if you keep everyone and all stay eligible and don't transfer then you can never have the full 25 per year.  I think we graduated something like 18 last year and only had a few transfer/get booted. 

I was implying total scholarships and not signees.

We have 84 right now. We had room for 25.

CDBHawg

Quote from: Oklahawg on February 05, 2015, 12:14:12 pm
Held a scholie in case Weathersby flipped or KJ re-committed to UA. Nice situation to be in, although I'd prefer one of them decided to bring their talent to UA.

Agreed.

HillBillyHogfan

Quote from: CDBHawg on February 05, 2015, 04:46:45 pm
We have 84 right now. We had room for 25.

gotcha, didn't realize where we were.  Maybe this will open up a spot for a hard working walk-on.
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HogWild7886

Quote from: immahog on February 05, 2015, 08:38:19 am
yesterday BB said we ran out off sholorships an had to have a kid (if so who?) to tear up a scolly in order to offer someone (sykes) I think and we are still one short....I don't understand that at all?  and how in the hell has the vols signed almost 60 players in 2 years ????

They give players an orange shirt, that is after they have earned their blue shirt, but first they must take a grey shirt. This allows them to sign as many players as they want.

HogWild7886

Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on February 05, 2015, 07:50:58 am
I'm just wondering. I saw Hogs drop from 9th in the SEC in recruiting to 11th in the SEC in recruiting and Dominque Reed was the only new guy. What was the reason for not signing one or two more? Are we trying to bring in graduate transfers?

We ran out of purple shirts to give recruits.

CDBHawg

Quote from: HillBillyHogfan on February 05, 2015, 05:25:50 pm
gotcha, didn't realize where we were.  Maybe this will open up a spot for a hard working walk-on.

Our walkon program looks solid. 

hawg IQ

Quote from: inhognation on February 05, 2015, 11:16:45 am
According to an article I read on LSU's class they didn't know about Weathersby for sure until 3 AM on signing day.  Before you ask for a link, I don't have one.  But I think it was an article in the Baton Rouge Advocate and was a quote from their recruiting cordinator

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radar

BB said they had room for 28 but could only sign 25 per sec rules. They had a bad January and did not have a back-up when they went 0 fer on their main targets. When BB offers and accepts LOI from players who have never visited, common sense tells you they were indeed scrambling to fill the last spots.

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bigdaddyhawg

Quote from: CDBHawg on February 05, 2015, 04:46:45 pm
We have 84 right now. We had room for 25.

This is what I had seen here, but:

Quote from: radar on February 05, 2015, 09:00:01 pm
BB said they had room for 28 but could only sign 25 per sec rules.

So I'm a little confused.  Unless CBB knows of at least three kids who are going to be transferring that hasn't been announced.
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CDBHawg

Quote from: bigdaddyhawg on February 06, 2015, 11:11:39 am
This is what I had seen here, but:

So I'm a little confused.  Unless CBB knows of at least three kids who are going to be transferring that hasn't been announced.

I've thought the same.

Also some may return to walkon status.

PorkRinds

Wildhog asked Coach B why we didn't sign a full class, but I'm not sure if he answered.  ;)

Wildhog

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 06, 2015, 11:38:47 am
Wildhog asked Coach B why we didn't sign a full class, but I'm not sure if he answered.  ;)

He called me up and explained the situation, obviously.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: Wildhog on February 06, 2015, 11:48:13 am
He called me up and explained the situation, obviously.

Nice.  He's a great dude.

Wildhog

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 06, 2015, 11:52:48 am
Nice.  He's a great dude.

Yeah, we talked about casinos, reggae, and Tommy Bahama shirts for the most part.
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HogPound

Quote from: TheRazorbackGuy on February 05, 2015, 07:50:58 am
I'm just wondering. I saw Hogs drop from 9th in the SEC in recruiting to 11th in the SEC in recruiting and Dominque Reed was the only new guy. What was the reason for not signing one or two more? Are we trying to bring in graduate transfers?

So we could have fans cry about it....why else?

HogMantheIntruder

Quote from: Wildhog on February 06, 2015, 11:57:04 am
Yeah, we talked about casinos, reggae, and Tommy Bahama shirts for the most part.
He just texted me about your conversation.  Apparently he was really offended when you asked for nude pics of Jen, and that's why he never called you back this morning.  Just thought you should know.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: Poppa Tart on February 06, 2015, 12:22:55 pm
He just texted me about your conversation.  Apparently he was really offended when you asked for nude pics of Jen, and that's why he never called you back this morning.  Just thought you should know.

I mean, he sent them to me.  Why would he get mad at wildhog?

HogMantheIntruder

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 06, 2015, 12:37:15 pm
I mean, he sent them to me.  Why would he get mad at wildhog?
Well ya; he sent them to me too, but I didn't want to be a jerk and mention it right in front of Wildhog... Come on, bro; it's called tact.  You should try it some time.  SMH
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WarPig88

Quote from: HillBillyHogfan on February 05, 2015, 11:09:04 am
Ran out of schollys... and unlike former head coaching regimes, we actually recruit classes now where all LOI's will actually qualify academically.

CBB's had kids not qualify.