The 2009-10 season now underway-

[olivebranchhog]

I am just one of many people who have been critical of Pel. I am unsure if he is the right guy for the job. But, no matter what I or anyone else thinks of the man, he still has one more year to plug the hole in the sinking ship that is Arkansas Basketball. Now is not the time to criticize Pel, or anyone on the team. The season is over, and the only thing we should be talking about is the 2009-10 Hogs. Lecture over. What are your realistic expectations for this recruiting period, and upcoming season?

[Razorod]

Tony Mitchell would be a nice spring pick-up. Don't know if it's going to happen, but hope it does.

[Marshfieldhog]

I wouldn't bet the house on Pel returning, he probably will but to say it without a doubt would probably not be accurate.

[midwestcityhog]

Question, WHY does everyone say that Powell, Farmer, and Borden are "not making it here"

What actual information does anyone have to suspect any of the guys dont have the grades?  Is this just wishful thinking by those that want pel fired?

i think adding powell, farmer, and borden are just what the doctor ordered.  hoping we can keep henry, but man, what a team of guys we'll have next year if wash stays......

[Razorod]

Powell and Farmer will help. But even the most optimistic person doubts Borden will contribute anything next year. Most think he will redshirt, unless Washington bolts.

[olivebranchhog]

I really see no reason for Wash to leave. He is not even close to being ready mentally. He is still more immature than a 6 year old.

[hawginitall]

Question, WHY does everyone say that Powell, Farmer, and Borden are "not making it here"

What actual information does anyone have to suspect any of the guys dont have the grades?  Is this just wishful thinking by those that want pel fired?

i think adding powell, farmer, and borden are just what the doctor ordered.  hoping we can keep henry, but man, what a team of guys we'll have next year if wash stays......

Probably the same folks who last year about this time were saying that Fortson would be a casualty!

[rude1]

Question, WHY does everyone say that Powell, Farmer, and Borden are "not making it here"

What actual information does anyone have to suspect any of the guys dont have the grades?  Is this just wishful thinking by those that want pel fired?

i think adding powell, farmer, and borden are just what the doctor ordered.  hoping we can keep henry, but man, what a team of guys we'll have next year if wash stays......

My understanding is that none have qualified. So that alone tells me that they aren't solid qualifiers, and there is the potential that some or all may not make it or they all could make it.

Even if they all make it, how much have you truly upgraded? Not much IMO.

[The Hogfather]

Probably the same folks who last year about this time were saying that Fortson would be a casualty!

Are you the same guy that used to go by Hogginitall?

[The Hogfather]

I really see no reason for Wash to leave. He is not even close to being ready mentally. He is still more immature than a 6 year old.

Need I say immaturity?

[hoglady]

I wouldn't bet the house on Pel returning, he probably will but to say it without a doubt would probably not be accurate.

I think most fans would be shocked and disappointed if Long let Pel go now.

[WilsonHog]

I think most fans would be shocked and disappointed if Long let Pel go now.

Do you think those fans are privy to all of the info going on inside the program, or do they just pay attention to what they read in the newspapers?   

[midwestcityhog]

Do you think those fans are privy to all of the info going on inside the program, or do they just pay attention to what they read in the newspapers?  

bigger question: if pel was fired would all that 'fireable off teh court stuff' actually be printed in the newspapers?   would the rest of hog nation learn the behind the scenes stuff?  i bet not.

[Oliver]

I think most fans would be shocked and disappointed if Long let Pel go now.

Why?

[forrest city joe]

I think most fans would be shocked and disappointed if Long let Pel go now.

I think that says a lot about how low we have sunk.arkansas fans shocked and disappointed  by a coach getting fired that went 2 and 15 in the sec. and finished in last place. please tell me you are kidding!

[midwestcityhog]

Why?

because 99.4% of hog fans dont read message boards and knew this was going to be a rebuilding season.  they remember beating texas and ou and lump it in with the stan 9 win and 12 win 'rebuilding' years.    the casual hog fan loves pel, his firey energy, 'passion', etc.   do you really think there are calls for pels head in the non internet hog world?  id bet teh farm theres not

[midwestcityhog]

I think that says a lot about how low we have sunk.arkansas fans shocked and disappointed  by a coach getting fired that went 2 and 15 in the sec. and finished in last place. please tell me you are kidding!

im not read the post of mine above this.  its a rebuilding year.  its expected.  and do you get fired after ANY 2-14 year, ever?  even if nolan had one?

[Oliver]

because 99.4% of hog fans dont read message boards and knew this was going to be a rebuilding season.  they remember beating texas and ou and lump it in with the stan 9 win and 12 win 'rebuilding' years.    the casual hog fan loves pel, his firey energy, 'passion', etc.   do you really think there are calls for pels head in the non internet hog world?  id bet teh farm theres not

Well of course uneducated Hog fans aren't going to really care about this one way or another.  They use expressions like "How Bout Them Hogs?" or "We Stunk It Up Last Night." to just strike up a conversation with a stranger.  I doubt one way or another who our coach was unless he was a big time winner.

[midwestcityhog]

Well of course uneducated Hog fans aren't going to really care about this one way or another.  They use expressions like "How Bout Them Hogs?" or "We Stunk It Up Last Night." to just strike up a conversation with a stranger.  I doubt one way or another who our coach was unless he was a big time winner.

'uneducated'?  no, i mean hog fans that buy tickets and attend games but dont have jump ball of hogville as their home page.  the ones that love the hogs but dont read message boards.  they would be floored, the couple from morrillton driving up to 8 home games and driving home after 7 losses, yeah they'd be mad if pel was fired, you betcha

[Oliver]

'uneducated'?  no, i mean hog fans that buy tickets and attend games but dont have jump ball of hogville as their home page.  the ones that love the hogs but dont read message boards.  they would be floored, the couple from morrillton driving up to 8 home games and driving home after 7 losses, yeah they'd be mad if pel was fired, you betcha

Why would they be floored?  Are you trying to tell me that they are enjoying what's going on now?  They like spending that money on these kind of performances?  Do they really think that things are going to get better under Pel?  And if so, why?

[midwestcityhog]

Why would they be floored?  Are you trying to tell me that they are enjoying what's going on now?  They like spending that money on these kind of performances?  Do they really think that things are going to get better under Pel?  And if so, why?

wow what a crazy jump to conclusions. i didnt sy they enjoyed it and liked spending money, but i cant imagine the average fan thinks firing a coach 2 years in, with 1 year of his own players and gobs of freshman, is a legitimate option.  those same ticket holders sat through 5 years of stan, so now they really think pel is gone in less than 2 years?  no way.

most hog fans arent around the negativity of jump ball 24/7 so they dont know about all the off the court stuff

[N HOG]

wow what a crazy jump to conclusions. i didnt sy they enjoyed it and liked spending money, but i cant imagine the average fan thinks firing a coach 2 years in, with 1 year of his own players and gobs of freshman, is a legitimate option.  those same ticket holders sat through 5 years of stan, so now they really think pel is gone in less than 2 years?  no way.

most hog fans arent around the negativity of jump ball 24/7 so they dont know about all the off the court stuff

"Most Hog fans" probably don't think too much either way about a team that went 2-15 in the SEC. They don't care any more.

[sickboy]

'uneducated'?  no, i mean hog fans that buy tickets and attend games but dont have jump ball of hogville as their home page.  the ones that love the hogs but dont read message boards.  they would be floored, the couple from morrillton driving up to 8 home games and driving home after 7 losses, yeah they'd be mad if pel was fired, you betcha

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

[N HOG]

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

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What you said is correct.

Count me in as one who says he won't be able to put the fire out -- not talking about this year, but soon.

[Oliver]

wow what a crazy jump to conclusions. i didnt sy they enjoyed it and liked spending money, but i cant imagine the average fan thinks firing a coach 2 years in, with 1 year of his own players and gobs of freshman, is a legitimate option.  those same ticket holders sat through 5 years of stan, so now they really think pel is gone in less than 2 years?  no way.

most hog fans arent around the negativity of jump ball 24/7 so they dont know about all the off the court stuff

So their lack of knowledge excuses what's going on? 

[midwestcityhog]

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

+1

[midwestcityhog]

So their lack of knowledge excuses what's going on? 

no, their lack of being exposed to constant negativity, baseless rumors, and agenda driven posting keeps them in the 'real world'.   hogville isnt the real world, its the hyper-fan-on-diet-mountain-dew-in-the-5th-overtime-"passion" version of the real world.        can you imagine that aforementioned couple from morillton railing for hours about tom ostrum when absolutely NO FACTS EVER have been posted about him?  i mean we have 'solid' rumors and 'inside' information, but not a single fact on the guy has been posteed.... and he's hogville enemy #1.  i hardly think harry and louise of conway county could whip themselves into an ostrum-led frenzy.

[N HOG]

no, their lack of being exposed to constant negativity, baseless rumors, and agenda driven posting keeps them in the 'real world'.   hogville isnt the real world, its the hyper-fan-on-diet-mountain-dew-in-the-5th-overtime-"passion" version of the real world.        can you imagine that aforementioned couple from morillton railing for hours about tom ostrum when absolutely NO FACTS EVER have been posted about him?  i mean we have 'solid' rumors and 'inside' information, but not a single fact on the guy has been posteed.... and he's hogville enemy #1.  i hardly think harry and louise of conway county could whip themselves into an ostrum-led frenzy.

Harry and Louise know we finished 2-15 and right now could care less about Hog basketball -- along with the vast majority of people in the state.

They'll be even less interested next year when we go 5-12 at best.

[Iwastherein1969]

+1

two NUTT HUGGERS noted and identified

[Iwastherein1969]

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

first NUTT HUGGER marked and identified

[midwestcityhog]

two NUTT HUGGERS noted and identified

are you insane?  i couldnt stand nutt and wanted him out since 0 for october in 2003.  what the guy said about message boards is true though.  nutt HAD to go, and im glad he did, but we dont have to fly banners for every coach every season.  pel had a bad year, but there's no way in heck this is equivalent to that sad sack nutt. 

i cant stand nutt, but even the casual fans couldnt stand nutt.  nobody 'hates' pel

[olivebranchhog]

Wow it is amazing how some people can just relate anything to Nutt. It's starting to get comical.

[chiefsfan]

two NUTT HUGGERS noted and identified

I hated Nutt's Guts, but support Pelphrey.  and Ive made several points that no matter what everyone on hogville says  alot of Arkansas fans still liked Nutt

Does that make me a Nutt hugger

[olivebranchhog]

Need I say immaturity?

So Im immature for pointing out someone else's immaturity? You should work with the government spinmaster.

[Razorvet]

I hated Nutt's Guts, but support Pelphrey.  and Ive made several points that no matter what everyone on hogville says  alot of Arkansas fans still liked Nutt

Does that make me a Nutt hugger

Yes. Unless you hit them with a 2x4 and yell "How do YOU like them code reds bitch."
If you do that your a true Hog fan.

[chiefsfan]

Yes. Unless you hit them with a 2x4 and yell "How do YOU like them code reds bitch."
If you do that your a true Hog fan.

ive got that wood.   Im just too nice to hit people with them

[ruarealhogfan]

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

They don't have influential people trying to push them off the edge...

[thirtythree]

I think that says a lot about how low we have sunk.arkansas fans shocked and disappointed  by a coach getting fired that went 2 and 15 in the sec. and finished in last place. please tell me you are kidding!

It would be a different story if he was in his 5th, 6th etc . . . . season and did this. Fact his he is going into his 3rd (some say actiually 2 due to what happened with losing all almost all the scoring from his 1st).

The announcers were all over it last night. They kept eluding to DEPTH the whole night. They even credited the Hogs for the way they played with the lack of DEPTH. They even said that they didn't believe the Hogs mailes it in the entire season.

So, yeah, I would be shocked of he was fired.

[The Hogfather]

So Im immature for pointing out someone else's immaturity? You should work with the government spinmaster.

You should've stopped drinking 2 drinks before this post.  I was saying that his reason for going pro might be immaturity.  He is not mature enough to know that he needs to stay in school and get his degree because his pro career will not last long.  At least, not in the US.

[hoglady]

Do you think those fans are privy to all of the info going on inside the program, or do they just pay attention to what they read in the newspapers?  

No, they aren't privy to anything. They're just your normal everyday Hog Fan. Listen to Bo, Drivetime and read the Dem. They like Pel, alot. If Long let him go - for their not to be an uproar among the fanbase he would have to explain why.

[hoglady]

I think that says a lot about how low we have sunk.arkansas fans shocked and disappointed  by a coach getting fired that went 2 and 15 in the sec. and finished in last place. please tell me you are kidding!

No I'm not kidding. Pel's in his 2nd year. He lost everything off last years team. Now, if he has another year like this year.........Bye, bye Pel.

[Hog-Corleone]

no, their lack of being exposed to constant negativity, baseless rumors, and agenda driven posting keeps them in the 'real world'.   hogville isnt the real world, its the hyper-fan-on-diet-mountain-dew-in-the-5th-overtime-"passion" version of the real world.        can you imagine that aforementioned couple from morillton railing for hours about tom ostrum when absolutely NO FACTS EVER have been posted about him?  i mean we have 'solid' rumors and 'inside' information, but not a single fact on the guy has been posteed.... and he's hogville enemy #1.  i hardly think harry and louise of conway county could whip themselves into an ostrum-led frenzy.

For the record, I drink full strength Mountain Dew, not diet

[rude1]

I'm with you. I think most non message board fans aren't as ready to fire pel as the crowd here at hogville. But that's the way it is. You're basically putting all the die hard fans, those willing to spend internet time on the teams, in one place.  That causes a mob mentality. It's the nature of the beast.

Now, what happened to Nutt is an example of what happens when the mob gets big enough and transcends the message boards.  This is what you're seeing now with Pel. When things don't go well, in any sport, the die hard fines start lighting the fire. It's up to Pel to put that fire out and the only way he can will be to win.  The difference between a message board fan and a non message board fan would be a question of how big that fire is right now.

So if you are correct, then the stands should be full next year right? After all it's only on the message boards where there is discontent, and all the real fans love Pelphrey and the bang up rebuilding job he is doing. I am betting that you are wrong, and the stands will be only half full.

[hogster23]

because 99.4% of hog fans dont read message boards and knew this was going to be a rebuilding season.  they remember beating texas and ou and lump it in with the stan 9 win and 12 win 'rebuilding' years.    the casual hog fan loves pel, his firey energy, 'passion', etc.   do you really think there are calls for pels head in the non internet hog world?  id bet teh farm theres not

Did you know that 69.65% of statistics are made up on the spot to support people's arguments?

[BrooklynRoss]

Fire Pel? You guys are soft. Everyone should be fired. Every single person on this God-forsaken planet. The people firing guns at each other because of religious differences? Fired. The people who manipulated the monetary system to the point that it became so disassociated with reality that it finally simply ceased to exist (not to mention all the people who knew it was happening and kept quiet.) Fired. Bush? Fired. Obama? Fired. The people who are posting on Hogville from work? Definitely fired. The jobless? Fired again. Talentless, attention-mongering celebrities who exist in the public consciousness only because of the self-perpetuated, hackneyed PR machine that the media has become? Fired. That media I was speaking of? Fired. The Pope? Fired. Talaban members? Fired. Tara Reid, Chris Klien and Tom Arnold? Fired. Meryl Streep, Al Pacino and Robert Dinero? Fired. Fire the fire marshals, the fire fighters, and last but not least, fire all of the HR people who are in charge of firing. FIRED!

Sorry, it's been a long week.

[Oliver]

Fire Pel? You guys are soft. Everyone should be fired. Every single person on this God-forsaken planet. The people firing guns at each other because of religious differences? Fired. The people who manipulated the monetary system to the point that it became so disassociated with reality that it finally simply ceased to exist (not to mention all the people who knew it was happening and kept quiet.) Fired. Bush? Fired. Obama? Fired. The people who are posting on Hogville from work? Definitely fired. The jobless? Fired again. Talentless, attention-mongering celebrities who exist in the public consciousness only because of the self-perpetuated, hackneyed PR machine that the media has become? Fired. That media I was speaking of? Fired. The Pope? Fired. Talaban members? Fired. Tara Reid, Chris Klien and Tom Arnold? Fired. Meryl Streep, Al Pacino and Robert Dinero? Fired. Fire the fire marshals, the fire fighters, and last but not least, fire all of the HR people who are in charge of firing. FIRED!

Sorry, it's been a long week.

Tim Redding - FIRED.

[Biggus Piggus]

can you imagine that aforementioned couple from morillton railing for hours about tom ostrum when absolutely NO FACTS EVER have been posted about him?  i mean we have 'solid' rumors and 'inside' information, but not a single fact on the guy has been posteed.

untrue

[The Boar War]

'uneducated'?  no, i mean hog fans that buy tickets and attend games but dont have jump ball of hogville as their home page.  the ones that love the hogs but dont read message boards.  they would be floored, the couple from morrillton driving up to 8 home games and driving home after 7 losses, yeah they'd be mad if pel was fired, you betcha

If they've been through that and aren't really that upset I doubt they'll be really mad if Pelphrey is fired.  They may be upset at first but once someone else is hired they'll go to the same amount of games next year.

[deshahawg]

I'm looking forward to a good season because all these guys have a year under their belt now. We don't graduate anyone so that can't hurt.

[Lieutenant Dan]

I hated Nutt's Guts, but support Pelphrey.  and Ive made several points that no matter what everyone on hogville says  alot of Arkansas fans still liked Nutt

Does that make me a Nutt hugger

As bad as Nutt was, Pel might be worse.