Quote from: hawg1221 on Yesterday at 02:41:39 pmThere were strong winds at our regional for the 3rd round. I believe all teams struggled.

30 mph cross winds

Quote from: j-mann on May 08, 2024, 12:05:18 pmand i would be happy to support them  when they play anyone but the razorbacks  but  on their 24/7 stie   50% of them make u feel unwelcome call u names etc act like 10 year old    they are some good ones   but few and far between 

If you are going to be on the ASU site it would be best to stay out of ASU vs UA threads.   Revealing your preference for all things UA will make you be mistaken for a troll.   There are plenty of hit and run UA trolls that come to the board and the regulars on there are going to have nothing to do with you and will send you on your way with unpleasant interactions if they identify you as one of these trolls.   If you really want to be a participant  on board talk I would stick to only ASU threads.

Quote from: Salty spork on May 07, 2024, 08:35:16 amYeah, that's not many. Assuming some redshirting, it means roughly 300 freshmen per year, get paid to swim in college. My kid has a chance to be pretty good, but not top 300 good.

Quote from: hogsanity on May 07, 2024, 05:47:19 pmWhich is why football has to split off. Schools like astate, if forced to play a sec type schedule would never come close to being anything.

Bowling, track, archery, sure they can win multiple titles which will bring in close to no revenue, probably lose $, for the program.

ASU can't play an SEC schedule on Sunbelt money.   Even Alabama couldn't play P5 ball on such a small incoming money stream.

Quote from: bennyl08 on Yesterday at 11:06:46 amAgain, you are reading things that I have never posted. I swear, hogville and the internet at large I think merges different parallel universes together or something.

I absolutely believe that one can provide objective evidence of a difference in motivation. That's a far cry from proving or gauging the exact level of quit.

Further, you keep taking words, exaggerating them, and then pretending I said your exaggeration rather than my actual words. I do ask you to stop doing that. Where are you getting 'quit' from? My example has always been the Ark-LSU rivalry, but with a closer talent gap. LSU absolutely should be 90-100% wins against us, and for the most part, they are closer to 50. That doesn't mean that LSU players 'quit' during our game.

It means that there's rivalry magic where we tend to play one our best games of the season against them year in and year out while LSU does not. Similarly with Ark vs Mizzou. From the 'metrics', we should probably be 6-4 against them rather than 2-8, but the rivalry effect where Mizzou often plays their best game of the year, and voila, we lose.

This is funny to me. You dismiss the pro-day analysis and then go on to say the bolded line. It's like saying "I hate water and prefer to drink liquid ice..." What the heck do you think pro day stuff is all about? It's about the NON-DRAFTED players. That's where you get to quantify the depth guy's athleticism and prove the recruiting rankings wrong and what not. You know who participates in pro days? The third string seniors, the backup seniors, the seniors who started but didn't get to go to the combine (which is what I would have mentioned if I was only interested in the top end players).

Man, you are soooo close to getting it. Yes, it is comparing apples to kiwis, but the point of the comparison is that they are both fruits.

And you are right at the nose. You recognize that the magnitude of the difference is important. Yes! It is. Yet, you continue to say that wear and tear should balance out between ark in the west and mizz in the east. But go back to the lesson you picked up on with LaTech. It's all about the relative differences. The difference in talent b/w Mizzou and most of the East is a lot smaller than the difference in talent b/w arkansas and most of the west. 

I love that you somehow think the recruiting ranking are the cherry on top of the argument you started off making.

Again, see above. The gap b/w mizzou's talent and the east is smaller than the talent gap b/w arkansas and the west. Arkansas's direct recruiting compared to mizzou's doesn't change that.

Let's do a quick, shallow glance to see if any numbers back that up. In the most recent draft, Arkansas' west opponents had 31 total draft picks. Mizzou's east opponent's had only 20 draft picks. How about the 2023 recruiting cycle that started off last season? Looking at the overall 247 ranking (including transfers)  there were 4 west teams in the top 7, and 3 of the top 4 teams were from the west. Rankings don't mean to much if the difference b/w them is small. I agree with you there. The recruiting points for Ark's west opponents adds up to 1660.66 points. Mizzou's east opponents adds up to 1574.14. That's a pretty big difference, especially when you add that up over an entire roster. Well, if we look at 247's talent composite rating which looks at the teams entire roster, Ark's west opponents tally up to 5109.69. Mizzou's east opponents tally up to 4784.27.

But wait, I said it's all about the relative difference, no? Mizzou's average east opponent has about 47 more total team points than them. That's well less than a 10% difference. Mizzou outright ranked higher than 2 of it's east bretheren and was within 100 points of every other team than UGA. In contrast, Ark's opponents averaged over 120 points more than them. We ranked ahead of nobody in the west, and only 3 teams were within 100 points of us. See the difference? Even with the East being objectively weaker, the hogs have a bigger gap. Also, note that this is was one of the seasons where Mizzou actually ranks above the hogs in team talent composite.

Not walking back, my statements have been consistent. You are the one turning 'mizzou plays harder this game' into Arkansas players outright quit. You are turning 'arkansas is ahead in most metrics' to 'arkansas absolutely dominates by a bajillion points'...

Further, I'm not arguing that arkansas players simply mail it in. I'm saying Mizzou players play extra harder this game than most others in the same way we play harder against LSU than almost any other team on our schedule.

And yes, our schedule is a factor. Look at seasons like 2014. You were a good team no doubt, but Allen was injured and could barely throw the ball that game and it took a 15 point late game heroics after our defense wore out due to our offense being unable to sustain drives due to an injured qb for you to win. That doesn't take away the fact that you won, but, if BA wasn't injured, what are the odds you make a 15 point swing at the end of the game and prevent us from scoring at all in the 2nd half? Not zero, but much lower.

Then that's a failure of reading on your part and at best a projection of other posters onto me, or at worst, you not liking my more nuanced posts and thus turning them into exaggerations in your head to twist my words into something more easily winnable.

Hey, we are literally in 100% agreement here! I've not made any of those arguments either, and will die on that hill right beside you against anybody who would.

I do think Arkansas has suffered more crucial injuries than Mizzou as a result of our schedule. I think that Arkansas players don't play extra hard in this game and that Mizzou players do play extra hard. I think that drafted players in the NFL is a good proxy for overall talent and one of the better single metrics, but have never claimed that it tells the whole story.

Cool, so do some pro day analysis! Prove your point!

First off I do apologize if you believe I'm misinterpreting your analysis and meaning. That is not my intent at all you have seemed very adamant in your idea's and defending them whole heartedly. To me when you post reams of analytics and use the statement like "Most Metrics" that entails a gulf wider in over all Wins than 6-4 in the Hogs favor and a Wider talent disparity than you now seem to be putting forth. Of course I freely admit I could be combining your view point and the whole host of other Hog fans that seem Confident that Ark. is head and shoulders a better program than Mizzou and that will eventually bear fruit.


I am gonna disagree with you on that Mizzou play's their best game of the year versus Ark. year in and year out. Take 2022 we where a hair lip away of beating UGA.....26-22, 2021 we beat UF in OT 24-23, 2020 we played are backsides off versus LSU to win 45-41. Again you are looking at this from a 100% ARK. perspective and trying to rationalize why Mizzou has a large disparity in win totals. You continue with your belief that Mizzou puts all it's egg's in the Ark. get a win basket. And that we always and naturally play harder versus the Hogs and that Ark. doesn't. I don't see that at all. In fact I'd refute that Mizzou play's Extra Hard versus the Hogs.


I understand how Pro Day analysis work's I'm not dismissing how that works... but the Fact remains that Pro day analysis is about determining Draft picks and UDFA.  I'm again not talking about metrics for potential players to be drafted or about Undrafted Free Agents, but actual on the Field Production in actual game situations. The NFL guru's top picks are littered with Looks like Tarzan play's like Jane guys,  Measurables are Fine but Production on the Field is what win's games. Mizzou bottom end guys are more productive than Ark. bottom end guys. And that has been the case since we joined the SEC. The on field Win proves that and it's the only metric that matters.

Trying to evaluate the overall mindset of the Ark. team and the Mizzou team yearly for each individual game is near on impossible. And making blanket assumptions about the Hogs playing LSU harder does have some validity to it because you see them play every game and are well versed in the Hog program, Ark. could very well be more focused vs LSU than when facing Mizzou. But by the Same token I watch every Mizzou game as well some live some on the TV. So I can assure you that Mizzou isn't always upping their game to the highest level of focus versus the Hogs every year as you have stated.

Again the assertion that Mizzou is super focused on the Hogs is in error. Now I will defer to your analysis that the Hogs, while not mailing it in or checking out versus Mizzou are not playing up to par in your opinion. But if that is the case doesn't that prove my point that Mizzou has a better team year in and year out than Ark.!!!!!

 If MU/AU talent is basically within the margin of error or a push overall with you believing that Ark. has better talent and I believing Mizzou has a slight talent advantage because our bottom end players are better, but either way it's a statistical wash. Then the deciding factor on who are the better players is determined by their Grit, Character and Football savvy. And I think it's no doubt that GP/Drink have done a better job of identifying those players and getting mileage out of them.





 

Quote from: sickboy on Yesterday at 03:43:45 pmI'm totally down. I just hope fans don't get bent out of shape when it doesn't yield deep runs every single year. I'm just down to watch some elite talents play at Arkansas, rain or shine.

Amen brother.  I realize how difficult it is to make deep runs and championships are rare.  Even with UConn's success it's an anomaly.  Honestly man I just want us to be competitive and recognized as a destination for great talent.  WPS...rain or shine!

Quote from: daprospecta on Yesterday at 07:41:00 pmNot every 3-star and below is ready to contribute early, even at a lower level.

But they think they are, and will transfer out to prove it.

Quote from: TebowHater on Yesterday at 08:37:21 pmDidn't sound like someone mulling a coaching change or even remotely being dissatisfied with any of his assistant's performance

Sounds like a man who understands the ebbs and flows of baseball better than anyone on X or this board...

Quote from: moses_007 on Yesterday at 11:15:31 pm247 also shows Wagner 100 percent to Arkansas.  Hopefully Cal will reel him in this weekend.

He's already landed.  This weekend is the commitment photo shoot.  Likely announced Monday or Tuesday.

If you're stacked 1-9 like nobody's business (like, say, if we added Wagner and Pryor) and the number 10 guy is legit D-1 but knows his role, and you have several PWO level or DII or mid-major role players to close out the roster, then you just whittle the rotation down a bit and use your reserves as role players when needed. But being stacked 1-9 with the likes of Fland, Wager, Nelly, Knox, Theiro, Richmond, Pryor, Big Z, and Aidoo is already a tall task to distribute all the minutes to the guys who are worthy.

Quote from: popcornhog on Yesterday at 07:48:27 pmI don't hate it.

But I still don't understand why you wouldn't use the last 3-4 scholarships on sub par guys that you think could develop. Especially since one or two injuries would ruin your season with a 9 man roster.

What I've read coaches saying is you spend a year developing them only to see them hit the portal.