Early Look at Oakmont

[GoHogs1091]

Oakmont was designed by Henry Fownes in 1903.  It is the only course Henry Fownes designed.  Henry's Son, William Fownes, oversaw much of the design's evolution over several years, particularly the construction of bunkers, and the placing of interior contours into the greens.  The following really basically sums up Henry Fownes design philosophy, even though he designed only one course.

"A shot poorly played should be irrevocably lost."

Over the history of Oakmont, three of its original holes have been substantially modified from the original Henry Fownes design, those three being the 8th, 15th, and 16th holes.

Oakmont is hosting the U.S. Open for the 9th time.  It previously hosted the U.S. Open in 1927, 1935, 1953, 1962, 1973, 1983, 1994, and 2007.  Oakmont is one of only 5 courses in the United States that can properly and completely test the current robotic PGA Tour Pros and their out-of-control golf equipment technology, the other 4 being Southern Hills, Merion (East Course), Shinnecock Hills, and Winged Foot (West Course).

Oakmont is known for its fast, contoured greens.  The greens at Oakmont could very well be the 3rd best set of greens in the United States, 3rd best after Prairie Dunes in Kansas and Crystal Downs in Michigan.  What doesn't get talked about as often is the tee-to-green aspect of Oakmont.  In regards to that aspect, Oakmont could very well be the 3rd best tee-to-green course in the United States after Southern Hills in Oklahoma and Merion (East Course) in Pennsylvania. 

There has been only 2 professional golfers who have brought Oakmont to its knees, those 2 being Johnny Miller during the final round of the 1973 U.S. Open, and Larry Nelson during the final two rounds of the 1983 U.S. Open.  Miller was aided though by rain that occurred before the final round in 1973, which took some of the difficulty out of the course.  Still though, Miller's ballstriking during his last round in1973 at Oakmont was exceptional, and it was exceptional ballstriking not seen again until the 1976 Masters when Raymond Floyd carved up Augusta National.  Miller's exceptional ballstriking was primarily with the Driver on the tee and with elite level iron play, whereas Floyd's exceptional ballstriking at Augusta National In 1975 was primarily with a 5 Wood fairway club.

The following is the Scorecard at Oakmont.  The yardage is the U.S. Open tee yardage (which on the front 9 is 1 yard longer than the back green tee yardage, and which on the back 9 is 26 yards shorter than the back green tee yardage).

Hole 1   Par 4  482 yards

Here is a thread just about Hole 1 that contains pictures and a diagram.  Some pictures have the trees that were removed during Oakmont's massive tree removal project.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,26823.0.html

Hole 2   Par 4  341 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,26916.0.html

Hole 3   Par 4  428 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27042.0.html

Hole 4   Par 5  609 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27160.msg513751.html#msg513751

Hole 5   Par 4  382 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27372.msg518968.html#msg518968

Hole 6   Par 3  194 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27441.0.html

Hole 7   Par 4  479 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27541.msg523839.html#msg523839

Hole 8   Par 3  288 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27632.0.html

Hole 9   Par 4  477 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27732.msg529091.html#msg529091

Out   Par 35   3,680 yards

Hole 10   Par 4  435 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27865.msg532925.html#msg532925

Hole 11   Par 4  379 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27930.msg534754.html#msg534754

Hole 12   Par 5  667 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28038.msg537128.html#msg537128

Hole 13   Par 3  183 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28127.msg539370.html#msg539370

Hole 14   Par 4  358 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28220.msg541630.html#msg541630

Hole 15   Par 4  500 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28298.msg543826.html#msg543826

Hole 16   Par 3  231 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28400.msg546395.html#msg546395

Hole 17   Par 4  313 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28521.msg548859.html#msg548859

Hole 18   Par 4  484 yards

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28591.msg550481.html#msg550481

In   Par 35   3,550 yards

Total   Par 70   7,230 yards

Course Rating  76.9   Slope Rating   142

Here is a 3 page photo tour (will have to click on the "continued" at the end of each page to go to the next page).

http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/oakmont/

The fist hole at Oakmont is regarded as one of the toughest opening holes in golf.  Hole 3 and Hole 4 have the famous Church Pews bunker.  Hole 15 also has a Church Pews bunker.  Hole 8 is a very demanding Par 3 hole.  Hole 12 could very well be one of the top 5 Par 5 holes in the United States.  Hole 18 is regarded as being one of the best finishing holes in golf.  Oakmont is very highly regarded.  The following is two quotes.

"It's probably the best course in the world . . . This is the greatest course I've ever played."    Johnny Miller

"It's really a neat, special place."    Phil Mickelson

The PGA Tour Pros face a daunting challenge when they play at Oakmont in the U.S. Open in June.  Oakmont will require precision and a level of golf that frankly will probably cause a rude awakening to those who have never played a Major Championship there before.  Oakmont will not allow marginal type of play.  It will demand that the entire game from tee-to-green of the PGA Tour Pros be spot on, and that still may not be enough to score in red numbers.  Simply put, the course at Oakmont doesn't care about aspects like Twitter, an Augusta National Green Jacket, or PGA Tour equipment commercials and Tour Pro endorsement deals.  The course at Oakmont is pure golf, and it is golf at a high order.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

if they are smart, they should hire the current members as caddies

oh, and winning score will be -7


PP

[GolfNut57]

if they are smart, they should hire the current members as caddies

oh, and winning score will be -7


PP

I bet it will be higher..........or is that lower. I see the winner shooting at least double digits. -10 or better.

[ricepig]

I bet it will be higher..........or is that lower. I see the winner shooting at least double digits. -10 or better.

Nah, the winner will be -5 or higher. I wouldn't be surprised to see it at -1 to even.

[GoHogs1091]

I came across an excellent picture album of Oakmont.  It is 105 pictures, and it has pictures of every hole.  The pictures are from early October 2015.

When the following link loads, just click on 1 of the pictures to enlarge the picture and to get the album with the pictures enlarged.  Then you can click on a forward button to go to the next picture, or you can click on a "Start slide show" button to make an automatic slide show begin.  The first camera picture of each hole has a description below the picture.

http://xchem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/albums/Oakmont/

[onebadrubi]

Sometimes I wonder if benny, whoiskid, and gohogs get together and just want to see who can have the longer Hogville post

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Sometimes I wonder if benny, whoiskid, and gohogs get together and just want to see who can have the longer Hogville post

They all aspire to be Robert Shields.

[GoHogs1091]

Based on the information, here is a breakdown of the holes at Oakmont.

Non Birdie Holes (just have to hope to make at least a Par, and just move on to the next hole)

Hole 1
Hole 3
Hole 6
Hole 7
Hole 8
Hole 9
Hole 10
Hole 12
Hole 13
Hole 15
Hole 18

Possible Birdie Holes

Hole 2 (provided the approach shot lands below the hole and the putt is from below the hole)
Hole 4
Hole 5
Hole 11
Hole 14
Hole 16
Hole 17 (provided that the ball does not get in the "Big Mouth" bunker)

To get a Birdie on any of the above possible Birdie holes will still require a high level of execution.

Regarding the Non Birdie Holes, Hole 1, Hole 7, Hole 8, Hole 9, and Hole 10 will be some of the most difficult holes the PGA Tour Pros will play all this season.

According to the USGA's Slope Database, from the U.S. Open Championship tees the Slope Rating of the Front 9 is a 144.  The Slope Rating of the Back 9 is 140.  The Slope Rating for the 18 holes is a 142.  Therefore, the Front 9 has a higher level of difficulty compared to the Back 9.

Here is the winning score of the prior 8 U.S. Open winners at Oakmont.

1927   Tommy Armour   +4    (his score during the 18 hole playoff with Harry Cooper)

1935   Sam Parks, Jr.   +11

1953   Ben Hogan   -5

1962   Jack Nicklaus   Even   (his score during the 18 hole playoff with Arnold Palmer)

1973   Johnny Miller   -5   (Miller shot a 63 in the final round to get to the -5)

1983   Larry Nelson   -4   (Nelson established a then U.S. Open tournament record over the last 36 holes to get to the -4)

1994   Ernie Els   +3   (his score during the 18 hole playoff with Loren Roberts and Colin Montgomerie; Els and Roberts both shot a +3 during the 18 hole playoff, and Els defeated Roberts on the 2nd sudden death hole).

2007   Angel Cabrera   +5

[Jackrabbit Hog]

1973   Johnny Miller   -5   (Miller shot a 63 in the final round to get to the -5)


2007   Angel Cabrera   +5

Johnny Miller shot a 63 in the final round of a US Open at Oakmont?  Gosh, I'd never heard that before!  Must be one of the best kept secrets in golf!!

I remember that '07 Open, with Cabrera, Furyk and Woods all limping home that final round.  Cabrera just limped a little less than the other two.  That was a bloodbath.

[GoHogs1091]

Johnny Miller shot a 63 in the final round of a US Open at Oakmont?  Gosh, I'd never heard that before!  Must be one of the best kept secrets in golf!!

I remember that '07 Open, with Cabrera, Furyk and Woods all limping home that final round.  Cabrera just limped a little less than the other two.  That was a bloodbath.

Yes, the PGA Tour Pros got brought down a notch by Oakmont in 2007.

Oakmont requires a complete game of high skill level from tee-to-green and on the green.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Heard the men's urinals were pretty small also, definite need for precision


PP

[GoHogs1091]

Here is from a course review of Oakmont by a person named Bill Satterfield.  His review also contains some photos.

What to Expect: "Oakmont is the most impressive test of golf I've ever played. It tests every skill a golfer should have and makes no apologies. The course has a few flashy features (church pew bunkers, elevation changes, and lightning fast greens) to make it memorable but nothing to the point that someone would acuse Oakmont of being "tricked up." The green run 14-15 on the stimpmeter during member play and are actually slowed down when the U.S. Open comes to town. The course features excellent variety in hole lengths and has enough elevation changes to maintain your interest throughout the round. Baltusrol and Winged Foot West both are excellent tournament courses that test one's skill, but Oakmont adds in more interesting bunkering, elevations, and variety."

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/oakmont.php

Here is a course review of Oakmont that has pictures of the holes and descriptions (after the page loads, will have to scroll down a bit to get to the photos and the descriptions).

http://www.golftripper.com/oakmont-country-club-2/

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Here is from a course review of Oakmont by a person named Bill Satterfield.  His review also contains some photos.

What to Expect: "Oakmont is the most impressive test of golf I've ever played. It tests every skill a golfer should have and makes no apologies. The course has a few flashy features (church pew bunkers, elevation changes, and lightning fast greens) to make it memorable but nothing to the point that someone would acuse Oakmont of being "tricked up." The green run 14-15 on the stimpmeter during member play and are actually slowed down when the U.S. Open comes to town. The course features excellent variety in hole lengths and has enough elevation changes to maintain your interest throughout the round. Baltusrol and Winged Foot West both are excellent tournament courses that test one's skill, but Oakmont adds in more interesting bunkering, elevations, and variety."

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/oakmont.php

Here is a course review of Oakmont that has pictures of the holes and descriptions (after the page loads, will have to scroll down a bit to get to the photos and the descriptions).

http://www.golftripper.com/oakmont-country-club-2/

who is bill Satterfield and what courses has he played to compare with


PP

[GoHogs1091]

who is bill Satterfield and what courses has he played to compare with


PP

He is the Head Course Guru on that website.  Here is some of the other courses he has played.

Cypress Point

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/cypresspoint.php

Southern Hills

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/southernhills.php

Shinnecock Hills

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/shinnecock.php

Merion (East Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/merion(east).php

Pine Valley  (in New Jersey; gets consistently ranked as the #1 course in the United States)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pinevalley.php

Prairie Dunes

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/prairiedunes.php

Winged Foot (West Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/wingedfoot.php

Pebble Beach

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pebblebeach.php

Omaha

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/omahacc.php

Bethpage (Black Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/bethpageblack.php

Colonial

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/colonial.php

Pinehurst No. 2

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pinehurst2.php

Hazeltine National

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/hazeltine.php

Olympic Club (Lake Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/olympic.php

Oakland Hills (South Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/oaklandhills(south).php

[Pulled(PP)pork]

He is the Head Course Guru on that website.  Here is some of the other courses he has played.

Cypress Point

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/cypresspoint.php

Southern Hills

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/southernhills.php

Shinnecock Hills

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/shinnecock.php

Merion (East Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/merion(east).php

Pine Valley  (in New Jersey; gets consistently ranked as the #1 course in the United States)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pinevalley.php

Prairie Dunes

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/prairiedunes.php

Winged Foot (West Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/wingedfoot.php

Pebble Beach

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pebblebeach.php

Omaha

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/omahacc.php

Bethpage (Black Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/bethpageblack.php

Colonial

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/colonial.php

Pinehurst No. 2

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/pinehurst2.php

Hazeltine National

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/hazeltine.php

Olympic Club (Lake Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/olympic.php

Oakland Hills (South Course)

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/oaklandhills(south).php

brilliant

but what's his handicap and has he ever played on the tour, and been under pressure to make a $200,000 putt for the win
I just noticed, no Whistling Straits?  WTH??

PP

[Pulled(PP)pork]

and your course "guru" has never played Augusta, opinion invalid


PP

[GoHogs1091]

brilliant

but what's his handicap and has he ever played on the tour, and been under pressure to make a $200,000 putt for the win
I just noticed, no Whistling Straits?  WTH??

PP

He has played Whistling Straits.

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/whistlingstraits(straits).php

[Pulled(PP)pork]

He has played Whistling Straits.

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/whistlingstraits(straits).php

Augusta National?


PP

[ricepig]

Augusta National?


PP

Alotian??

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Alotian??

you have to know someone to play Alotian
I'm looking to see if he played Waldron Country Club also.....heck, even Hardscrabble should get some attention.


PP

[GoHogs1091]

Augusta National?


PP

Bill Satterfield has not played Augusta National.  He has done a review of it based on a visit there during the Masters.

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/augustanational.php

The following person has played every one of the Top 100 courses in the world (including Augusta National).  Here is what he had to say in his course review of Oakmont.

"I have no real criticism of the golf course itself. The routing is world-class, varied and there is enough elevation change to make it interesting. There is good reason why Oakmont is on the National Register of Historic Places. The issue I have with Oakmont is that for the average player it's too long, the rough is too high and the greens are too fast. As Johnny Miller says, "Oakmont's mean". I am glad I made the pilgrimage to see this shrine of golf, but I am in no hurry to go back."

"After seeing Oakmont, I would have to agree that Johnny Miller's 63 in the final round of the 1973 US Open to win, has to be the best single round of golf ever played."

http://top100golf.blogspot.com/2006/03/oakmont.html

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Bill Satterfield has not played Augusta National.  He has done a review of it based on a visit there during the Masters.

http://www.golfcoursegurus.com/reviews/augustanational.php

The following person has played every one of the Top 100 courses in the world (including Augusta National).  Here is what he had to say in his course review of Oakmont.

"I have no real criticism of the golf course itself. The routing is world-class, varied and there is enough elevation change to make it interesting. There is good reason why Oakmont is on the National Register of Historic Places. The issue I have with Oakmont is that for the average player it's too long, the rough is too high and the greens are too fast. As Johnny Miller says, "Oakmont's mean". I am glad I made the pilgrimage to see this shrine of golf, but I am in no hurry to go back."

"After seeing Oakmont, I would have to agree that Johnny Miller's 63 in the final round of the 1973 US Open to win, has to be the best single round of golf ever played."

http://top100golf.blogspot.com/2006/03/oakmont.html

I would agree with this statement on any tour course, and sometimes, people catch lightning in a bottle, ala Miller


PP

[GoHogs1091]

I would agree with this statement on any tour course, and sometimes, people catch lightning in a bottle, ala Miller


PP

I disagree with that guy's statement about Miller's 63 at Oakmont being the best single round of golf ever played.  Even though Miller did shoot that during a final round, it rained significantly at Oakmont before that 4th round, and that significant amount of rain took a lot of the difficulty out of the course.

To me, the best single round of golf ever played was Raymond Floyd's 63 at Southern Hills during the 1st round of the 1982 PGA Championship.  Besides the fact Floyd shot that 63 on a very complete and demanding tee-to-green test of golf course, Floyd did it in blast furnace temperature that exceeded 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

Floyd has even said that 63 he shot at Southern Hills is the best round of golf he has ever played anywhere in his life.  That is saying something considering that he carved up Augusta National in the 1976 Masters.  The following from a 1988 article.

"Floyd, now 45, still calls the opening-round 63, "without a doubt, the best round of golf I've ever played, anywhere in my life." He had seven birdies, no bogeys, missed the fairway on just two drives (Nos. 3 and 17) and failed to reach only two greens in regulation (Nos. 5 and eight)."

http://newsok.com/article/2234957

Here is from a 1982 Washington Post article.

"It's the best round of golf I've ever played," is how Floyd depicted his 33-30 masterpiece. "I've had two weeks off. I'm rested. This isn't a surprise to me. I knew my game was in shape."

Also from the article.

"While Floyd was embarrassing the course (he had nine straight 3s, from Nos. 6 through 14), the course was embarrassing almost everyone else."

"There was Jack Nicklaus (74), depositing a five-iron fairway shot into the pond by the 13th green. Of the double-bogey hole and his miserable round in general, Nicklaus said, "Basically, I got what I deserved. I'm not history yet. But I feel like it."

"There was Hale Irwin (73) mis-hitting a six-iron from the 15th fairway to the 16th tee, then chopping a chip from the 16th tee, past the green, over the trap and by the leader board. It's the closest Irwin, who has earned $2 million in his career, got to the leader board today."

"Then there was Tom Watson, here in search of his first PGA title and his record-tying third Grand Slam victory this year. Today, Watson shot 72. In a sweat and in a struggle, he said: "The golf course won today."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1982/08/06/floyds-63-leads-in-pga/1ecf728e-e11c-49be-81a7-5b1e1bd7aebe/

[RazorPiggie]

Tiger has signed up to play at Oakmont.

[MikePiazza]

Tiger has signed up to play at Oakmont.

Be nice if he could break 75. I would wager that E or +1 wins the tourney.

[clutch]

Be nice if he could break 75. I would wager that E or +1 wins the tourney.

You kidding? Nobody can break 75 at Oakmont. Especially with the way it's set up for the members. They will soften it up a little for these pros is what I hear.

[onebadrubi]

You kidding? Nobody can break 75 at Oakmont. Especially with the way it's set up for the members. They will soften it up a little for these pros is what I hear.

Oh no you dii'int

[Pulled(PP)pork]

You kidding? Nobody can break 75 at Oakmont. Especially with the way it's set up for the members. They will soften it up a little for these pros is what I hear.

dear lord, that's like saying "Beetlejuice" 3 times.......ugh


PP

[GoHogs1091]

The Media Day for the U.S. Open occurred yesterday at Oakmont.  The following stated by the Author from a 5 page article about yesterday's Media Day.

"I got an early introduction to the testing greens, staring at a birdie putt of about 30 feet on my first hole."

"Instead of lining up at the hole, however, my caddie pointed me about 18 feet left and directed me to try to die the ball on a crest only about 12 feet away. When it reached that spot, the ball curved hard to the right, dove down a slope toward the cup and then continued to trickle past, ultimately ending up about eight feet past. It led to just my first 3-putt of the day."

Also from the article.

"It's easy to tell golfers to "keep it below the hole."

"But that's just part of the challenge at Oakmont, where the greens are extremely strategic in addition to being blazing fast."

"The greens themselves really are wonderful and a very different type, from an architectural standpoint, set of greens," Davis said. "Some of them slope right left, some left-right, some back-front and there's some that slope, in fact three greens here, that slope front to back. There are greens that have plateaus in them, valleys going through them."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmatuszewski/2016/04/26/lightning-fast-oakmont-greens-among-top-10-takeaways-from-u-s-open-media-day/#b9d16403a058

[Pulled(PP)pork]

dammit, clutch!!



PP

[EastexHawg]

All this talk of Oakmont's green has me really looking forward to the Open.  I'm sure TV won't do them justice in terms of slope.  I can only think of one green I've ever played where it was pretty much impossible to keep the ball on the green from above the hole unless you holed the putt.

I remember going to the Senior Open at Olympia Fields one year.  We were following Nicklaus and he hit what looked to us like a pretty good into the green.  Jack was disgusted and when we saw his first putt we realized why.  He was above the hole about 20 feet and couldn't stop it anywhere near the cup despite barely touching the ball.  He made about a 25 footer coming back for par.

I like what we consider around here to be "fast greens", but I know there's no way I could play a lot of the courses the pros play. 

[GoHogs1091]

All this talk of Oakmont's green has me really looking forward to the Open.  I'm sure TV won't do them justice in terms of slope.  I can only think of one green I've ever played where it was pretty much impossible to keep the ball on the green from above the hole unless you holed the putt.

I remember going to the Senior Open at Olympia Fields one year.  We were following Nicklaus and he hit what looked to us like a pretty good into the green.  Jack was disgusted and when we saw his first putt we realized why.  He was above the hole about 20 feet and couldn't stop it anywhere near the cup despite barely touching the ball.  He made about a 25 footer coming back for par.

I like what we consider around here to be "fast greens", but I know there's no way I could play a lot of the courses the pros play. 

It is going to be interesting.  Spieth is a very good putter, but the Oakmont greens are on a different level of challenge, a level of challenge that he has not ever faced before. 

The winner at Oakmont will have to play very well tee-to-green, but the winner's putting will also have to be very spot on (both distance control wise and green reading).

[Pulled(PP)pork]

The winner at _______ will have to play very well tee-to-green, but the winner's putting will also have to be very spot on (both distance control wise and green reading).

this should be your sig line, as much as you say it.


PP

[ricepig]

It is going to be interesting.  Spieth is a very good putter, but the Oakmont greens are on a different level of challenge, a level of challenge that he has not ever faced before. 

The winner at Oakmont will have to play very well tee-to-green, but the winner's putting will also have to be very spot on (both distance control wise and green reading).

Yeah, like that isn't the case most every week on the tour.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Yeah, like that isn't the case most every week on the tour.

you are poking the bear......ann he is now sucking bandwidth copying articles and links


PP

[MikePiazza]

Yeah, like that isn't the case most every week on the tour.

Exactly. Oakmont is no doubt a tougher test than most, but the constant hyperbole from 1091 is just a bit much.

[ricepig]

you are poking the bear......ann he is now sucking bandwidth copying articles and links


PP

Could you imagine a debate between Benny, Whoiskid, and Raymond, it would shut down HV.......

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Could you imagine a debate between Benny, Whoiskid, and Raymond, it would shut down HV.......

only if I get to be rev


PP

[GoHogs1091]

Yeah, like that isn't the case most every week on the tour.

Harbour Town, TPC River Highlands, TPC Southwind, TPC Louisiana, and Trump National at Doral are not Oakmont.

Oakmont is at least a Top 4 in the U.S. course.

The better courses the Tour plays ever year, Pebble Beach, Riveria, Quail Hollow, Colonial, and Muirfield Village, are good tests of golf, but even they are not the level of test that is Oakmont.

[ricepig]

Harbour Town, TPC River Highlands, TPC Southwind, TPC Louisiana, and Trump National at Doral are not Oakmont.

Oakmont is at least a Top 4 in the U.S. course.

The better courses the Tour plays ever year, Pebble Beach, Riveria, Quail Hollow, Colonial, and Muirfield Village, are good tests of golf, but even they are not the level of test that is Oakmont.

Of course, you completely missed the point, lol.

[GoHogs1091]

Of course, you completely missed the point, lol.

What makes it so difficult at Oakmont is that it is real difficult to get any positive momentum going during a round (unless there is Johnny Miller elite tee-to-green ballstriking ala final round 1973).

The 1st hole at Oakmont is regarded as the most difficult opening hole in all of golf.

The Par 4 7th Hole at Oakmont doesn't get talked about much, but it is regarded as being difficult.

The Par 3 8th Hole may be played again at 300 yards like in 2007.  A 300 yard Par 3 is just a difficult challenge.

The 9th hole is regarded as being very difficult.  It will be one of the most difficult holes the Pros will play all year.

Dave Pelz (Mickelson's short game Coach) has called the 10th hole the most difficult Par 4 in American golf because the green on the 10th hole slopes front to back and holds nothing.

The Par 3 13th hole's green is very narrow.  A miss long or right makes Par a fading possibility.

The Par 4 15th hole has a very narrow landing area on the tee shot (because of a Church Pews bunker on the left and severe ditches and bunkers on the right).  The green on hole 15 has many difficult subleties.

The 18th hole is a demanding closing hole.

Holes 7, 8, 9, and 10 are going to ruin some rounds during the week of the U.S. Open.  Players should just hope to get a score of Even Par on those 4 holes.

[onebadrubi]

Could you imagine a debate between Benny, Whoiskid, and Raymond, it would shut down HV.......

What was the address for Kmart?

[ricepig]

What was the address for Kmart?

Not sure, but Wapner is on at 3:30.....

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Could you imagine a debate between Benny, Whoiskid, and Raymond, it would shut down HV.......

Toss in Erie Hog as well.  All you have to do is say that Todd Day wasn't the greatest Arkansas basketball player of all time, then just "hang up and listen."

[GolfNut57]

What makes it so difficult at Oakmont is that it is real difficult to get any positive momentum going during a round (unless there is Johnny Miller elite tee-to-green ballstriking ala final round 1973).

The 1st hole at Oakmont is regarded as the most difficult opening hole in all of golf.

The Par 4 7th Hole at Oakmont doesn't get talked about much, but it is regarded as being difficult.

The Par 3 8th Hole may be played again at 300 yards like in 2007.  A 300 yard Par 3 is just a difficult challenge.

The 9th hole is regarded as being very difficult.  It will be one of the most difficult holes the Pros will play all year.

Dave Pelz (Mickelson's short game Coach) has called the 10th hole the most difficult Par 4 in American golf because the green on the 10th hole slopes front to back and holds nothing.

The Par 3 13th hole's green is very narrow.  A miss long or right makes Par a fading possibility.

The Par 4 15th hole has a very narrow landing area on the tee shot (because of a Church Pews bunker on the left and severe ditches and bunkers on the right).  The green on hole 15 has many difficult subleties.

The 18th hole is a demanding closing hole.

Holes 7, 8, 9, and 10 are going to ruin some rounds during the week of the U.S. Open.  Players should just hope to get a score of Even Par on those 4 holes.

You really ought to consider writing a book based on all of your golf course knowledge. It would be a sure cure for Insomniacs all across America.

[Hawgndaaz]

Just came here to say I didn't read anything, and I think OP is autistic.

[MikePiazza]

Just came here to say I didn't read anything, and I think OP is autistic.

I think you're right. Capitalizing words that don't need capitalization and a penchant for repeating the same things over and over, ad nauseum.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

You really ought to consider writing a book based on all of your golf course knowledge. It would be a sure cure for Insomniacs all across America.

and sell it by infomercial after 2am


PP

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Just came here to say I didn't read anything, and I think OP is autistic.

well get ready, that's next, Target is gonna start allowing autistic people to use any bathroom they choose


PP

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Just a thought here, PP - should you add GoHogs1091 to list of stalkees?

eastex is out, I'll take that under consideration


PP