A win for the good guys and doing things the right way?

[rtr]

Its easier to win multiple titles.  Like it or not, Alabama is still the better program-- and when Momma calls, then you just have to come running.

He can't ruin his Clemson legacy, and can step into a football factory that dwarfs Clemson.   It'll be a risk- following a legend always is-- but he'll do it.

Alabama went through 7 coaches between Bryant and Saban.

[hoglady]

I don't know about good guys or bad guys.
I did not root for the "crotch grabbers" defense.

[bennyl08]

Was this that kind of win. Was this a win for doing things the right way and building great men or was it just a win for a football team?

Just a win for a football team. If you think Clemson is any cleaner of a program than Bama, Ohio St, or USC, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Atlhogfan1]

Just a win for a football team. If you think Clemson is any cleaner of a program than Bama, Ohio St, or USC, then I don't know what to tell you.

Yep. Clemson has a little "history" with the NCAA

[IMABIELEMA]

Deep Bama ties, gave Clemson all that he has committed to give them-- unless they fall off the table, or Saban goes another 5+ years, it'll be Dabo.

Well in that case maybe Jimmy Johnson coaches at Arkansas... oh wait...

[jkstock04]

It's not love. It's respect, and that's ok.

He's won 5 NC's...he's top 3 best all time. Just give him credit where credit is due.

And our fan base turns the other head at their win at all costs antics...yet have holier than thou standards towards most everyone else, especially our own program. They hire a drunk for the OC position but of course you don't hear a peep about that from our fans since it's Bama.

Made me happy to see them crash and burn. Their offense sucked balls for most of the 2nd half due to Houston Nutt style antics. Despite popular company line spin I think they will miss Kiffin and did last night.

To the OP, I doubt if Clemson has "done things the right way." What is Dabos history from the beginning there? "Doing it the right way" means starting out bottom of the barrel and slowly building up with character guys. If a team starts winning too quickly that's not "the right way." It's got to be long and drawn out with some sort of success pinnacle at the end. It takes a minimum of 5 years to correctly do it the right way.

[HogsonHicks]

I didn't care who won, but the NCAA needs to go ahead and hire full-time, professional referees, at least for the P-5 schools. The ridiculous inconsistency in officiating between conferences and crews is maddening.

[hawgXi]

Dabo is Saban's successor when he retires.

Ugh.

I doubt dabo ever leaves clempson.

same for arkie bred, AD, terry don phillips.

clempson is their baby & neither will walk away from the success they have created

[ErieHog]

Well in that case maybe Jimmy Johnson coaches at Arkansas... oh wait...

Unlike Jimmy,  Alabama has never actively burned bridges, then set the ruins on fire with Dabo.  The parallels are poor, as the ongoing relationship between the two and their alma maters are nothing alike.

[factchecker]

I didn't care who won, but the NCAA needs to go ahead and hire full-time, professional referees, at least for the P-5 schools. The ridiculous inconsistency in officiating between conferences and crews is maddening.

AMEN.

If I was a coach I would pitch in some $$$$ to ensure this happens.

[IMABIELEMA]

Unlike Jimmy,  Alabama has never actively burned bridges, then set the ruins on fire with Dabo.  The parallels are poor, as the ongoing relationship between the two and their alma maters are nothing alike.

I agree the cases aren't similar.  No one is going to want to follow in Saban's footprints.   Dabo will be a legend at Clemson,  he'll never amount to Saban or Bear at Alabama.

[ErieHog]

I agree the cases aren't similar.  No one is going to want to follow in Saban's footprints.   Dabo will be a legend at Clemson,  he'll never amount to Saban or Bear at Alabama.

He doesn't have to;  being Gene Stallings works just fine-- and if Alabama doesn't appreciate him for what he will do there, he can walk right back to Clemson and still be a hero.

[code red]

Was this that kind of win. Was this a win for doing things the right way and building great men or was it just a win for a football team?

IDK do the good guys give proctology exams during games?

[S.A.D.C]

Was this that kind of win. Was this a win for doing things the right way and building great men or was it just a win for a football team?

I don't know about good or bad or right way or wrong way.  I doubt Saban is really a bad guy...  But I will say this:  It was a win for the fun guys.  It was a win that shows you don't have to be a boring robot and be so deadly serious about a game (like Urb, Saban, Belichek in the NFL and many others have become).  By no means disrespecting Saban- he is a great and his approach works and I can't believe people on here who want to try to say otherwise.  But it was a refreshing change. 

[hoglady]

IDK do the good guys give proctology exams during games?

That's what I was thinking.
One of the Clemson defensive players told the press after the OSU game that it's just something all the Clemson defenders do - only most are more discreet about it so the refs can't see them.

[12247]

I agree that Saban and Swinney go about winning a little different but both have things in common too.  FIRE IN THEIR BELLIES, ATTENTION TO DETAIL, HAVE ATTENTION OF THE TEAM, REFUSE TO BE DENIED.  KNOW HOW TO RALLY THEIR TEAM.  Xs & 0s are important but not as important has the above list.

[Dirty]

It was a win. That's it. Both teams recruit well. Nick has 5 NC's. I am happy for Dabo, but the Bama/Saban hate is stupid.

Unless you live in Alabama, then Hate is what you have.

[JOKERHOG]

Wait.... I thought you had to be a hard ass who hates and shits on his players like Saban.  I thought you couldn't treat these kids like family.  You had to process them, pull there schollies on signing day, or ship them off to UNLV..... unless they are a starter.

Thank god for Dabo.  Nice to see good guys finally win.

What makes Dabo such a good guy?

[ChicoHog]

I agree that Saban and Swinney go about winning a little different but both have things in common too.  FIRE IN THEIR BELLIES, ATTENTION TO DETAIL, HAVE ATTENTION OF THE TEAM, REFUSE TO BE DENIED.  KNOW HOW TO RALLY THEIR TEAM.  Xs & 0s are important but not as important has the above list.

You forgot the most important thing.  They are GREAT recruiters. 

I think Swinney is a lot like Bielema personality wise.  He's just a much better recruiter and is located in a place where it is much easier to recruit. 

[harrisburghog]

How is running illegal pick plays doing it the right way?

[IMABIELEMA]

How is running illegal pick plays doing it the right way?

In no way were those plays illegal.  I think you are referring to Clemson's touchdown which was a RUB play.  Not a pick,  please know the difference.

[311Hog]

In no way were those plays illegal.  I think you are referring to Clemson's touchdown which was a RUB play.  Not a pick,  please know the difference.

sorry but i have seen that replay 100 times and each time the outside receiver dives inside and looks like it is almost a cut block because he is going low, the bama corner grabs him and tries to pull him out of the way but the damage was already done.  That was totally blocking before the ball was in the air.  Nothing about that play or many of the other times it was ran is legal.

[IMABIELEMA]

sorry but i have seen that replay 100 times and each time the outside receiver dives inside and looks like it is almost a cut block because he is going low, the bama corner grabs him and tries to pull him out of the way but the damage was already done.  That was totally blocking before the ball was in the air.  Nothing about that play or many of the other times it was ran is legal.

Sure Looks to me it was pass interference on Bama.  Looks like Bama DB pulled him down.

[Hoggish1]

Yay, now Saban won't retire!



Yay

He only needs three more NCs @ Bama to Surpass the Bear...

[311Hog]

Sure Looks to me it was pass interference on Bama.  Looks like Bama DB pulled him down.

Clemson WR straight blocking from the snap of the ball

[ballz2thewall]

It was a win. That's it. Both teams recruit well. Nick has 5 NC's. I am happy for Dabo, but the Bama/Saban hate is stupid.

agreed. making philosophy from football is, ..........uh........

with all the god talk i'm guessing dabo performed a circumcision during half.

[Gonzo]

I doubt dabo ever leaves clempson.

same for arkie bred, AD, terry don phillips.

clempson is their baby & neither will walk away from the success they have created

Well, Phillips already did.....4 years ago



Go Hogs!

[Jonteviosk]

Wait.... I thought you had to be a hard ass who hates and shits on his players like Saban.  I thought you couldn't treat these kids like family.  You had to process them, pull there schollies on signing day, or ship them off to UNLV..... unless they are a starter.

Thank god for Dabo.  Nice to see good guys finally win.

Ok this guy with intergrity won but he can actually coach unlike the fattard we have.

[wachhog]

And our fan base turns the other head at their win at all costs antics...yet have holier than thou standards towards most everyone else, especially our own program. They hire a drunk for the OC position but of course you don't hear a peep about that from our fans since it's Bama.
Dabo replaced Bowden,  who was fired. It has taken him a number of years. He walked on at Bama like our guy at Iowa. Got a scholarship after two years. Never started.

Made me happy to see them crash and burn. Their offense sucked balls for most of the 2nd half due to Houston Nutt style antics. Despite popular company line spin I think they will miss Kiffin and did last night.

To the OP, I doubt if Clemson has "done things the right way." What is Dabos history from the beginning there? "Doing it the right way" means starting out bottom of the barrel and slowly building up with character guys. If a team starts winning too quickly that's not "the right way." It's got to be long and drawn out with some sort of success pinnacle at the end. It takes a minimum of 5 years to correctly do it the right way.

Dabo replaced Bowden who was fired but who Jeffie apparently wanted to hire. He walked on at Bama. After his father walked out, his family was so poor that his mother lived with him and a roommate when he was in a college apartment on a PEL grant. Got a scholarship after 2 years but was never a starter. Earned an MBA  and was a GA. I don't know about the RIGHT way, but he did it the slow and steady way. You gotta admire him.

[LZH]

Clemson WR straight blocking from the snap of the ball

Agreed.

[GuvHog]

Dabo proved something that I and others on here have been saying for quite some time. He runs a clean program WITH Integrity and he's a winner. Some on here don't seem to believe that winning and integrity can co-exist and that is nonsense.

[311Hog]

Dabo proved something that I and others on here have been saying for quite some time. He runs a clean program WITH Integrity and he's a winner. Some on here don't seem to believe that winning and integrity can co-exist and that is nonsense.

Well he is a winner that is undeniable, but no one knows if his program is clean, and here is the other part of this his location in a talent rich area is a HUGE reason for their success.  Of course winning and integrity can co-exist but only if you are smack dab in the center of fields of high level football players.

My experience with people who say God so much and talk like he does often do not live up to that behind closed doors. /shrug

[GuvHog]

Well he is a winner that is undeniable, but no one knows if his program is clean, and here is the other part of this his location in a talent rich area is a HUGE reason for their success.  Of course winning and integrity can co-exist but only if you are smack dab in the center of fields of high level football players.

Nonsense. It can be done and yes, at the U of A. Now I'll agree that national titles are rare but winning and being nationally relevant should be a common occurrence for the U of A football program.

[311Hog]

Nonsense. It can be done and yes, at the U of A. Now I'll agree that national titles are rare but winning and being nationally relevant should be a common occurrence for the U of A football program.

Why?

Just because you want it to be that way doesn't make it possible.  Compared to our counter parts we exist in a talent deficient area, i mean look at what has happened to Missouri now that it is starting to set in.  To be elite you have to exist in California, Texas, Florida or solidly in the "black belt". Yes i left out Ohio State but that area would fall into the same sense as Florida etc. just a bit less though they get all they want there.

Unless Arkansas High School football drastically improves the Hog program is on the "pray for another Dmac" strategy, and just hope that the coach at the time the "next one" comes along isn't a flawed idiot.

[GuvHog]

Why?

Just because you want it to be that way doesn't make it possible.  Compared to our counter parts we exist in a talent deficient area, i mean look at what has happened to Missouri now that it is starting to set in.  To be elite you have to exist in California, Texas, Florida or solidly in the "black belt". Yes i left out Ohio State but that area would fall into the same sense as Florida etc. just a bit less though they get all they want there.

Unless Arkansas High School football drastically improves the Hog program is on the "pray for another Dmac" strategy, and just hope that the coach at the time the "next one" comes along isn't a flawed idiot.

It IS possible. Arkansas has been nationally relevant before and should be now. Being "Elite" and being "nationally relevant" are 2 different things. An "Elite" team is a consistent top 10 team and the Hogs are not and will not be elite. They should however, be able to make the top 10 every once in a while. Being nationally relevant is to consistently finish the season ranked in the top 25 and that's what the Hogs should be doing. There is no excuse for it not happening.

[311Hog]

It IS possible. Arkansas has been nationally relevant before and should be now. Being "Elite" and being "nationally relevant" are 2 different things. An "Elite" team is a consistent top 10 team and the Hogs are not and will not be elite. They should however, be able to make the top 10 every once in a while. Being nationally relevant is to consistently finish the season ranked in the top 25 and that's what the Hogs should be doing. There is no excuse for it not happening.

Exactly what i am saying.  Arkansas is on the "pray for the next Dmac to be born within the state strategy" because that is the only way we finish inside the top 10 without major overhaul to the High School and below institutions.

There are tons of reasons you see the 7 to 8 win results, not the least of which is the proficiency of our competition.