Bill Self of Kansas would have been our Basketball Coach

[Westcoasthog]

     Bill Self of Kansas would have been our Basketball Coachafter Nolan Richardson was fired.  But the MEDDLOR JOHN WHITE THE THEN CHANCELLOR TOLD FRANK BROYLES YOU HAVE TO HIRE A BLACK COACH SINCE THE FIASCO WITH NOLAN RICHARDSON.

[HognitiveDissonance]

Totally agree.
John White was essentially running the athletic dept in the last few years. Broyles was really handcuffed. We are still suffering.

[WilsonHog]

Congratulations.

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[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Bigger mistake Not hiring Bill Self or Jimmy Johnson?

[Sedatedhog]

Oh the good old million dollar question.

[passinghog]

Give it a rest. He's not the coach, will never be here either.

[Hogfaniam]

Fire up the DeLorean.  Call Doc and Marty.  Sounds like it's time for Back To The Future IV

[Rooster Hogburn]

I wish we could've done something to salvage the Altman situation. We were so close.

[HognitiveDissonance]

True, ship sailed 12 years ago, but it should be brought up occasionally to remind people how much damage a bad administrator can do to an athletic program. It might be an AD, or in that case, a chancellor. The hiring/firing decisions these people make can be felt for years to come.

[hogwild6700]

 Haha. After several years on Hogville-I have learned that nearly every coach out there wanted the Arkansas job (Football and Basketball) and apparently we were just too dumb to hire them. 

[Pork Twain]

I wish we could've done something to salvage the Altman situation. We were so close.

yup because he has turned out great

[hoglady]

Haha. After several years on Hogville-I have learned that nearly every coach out there wanted the Arkansas job (Football and Basketball) and apparently we were just too dumb to hire them. 

At that time Arkansas was one the premiere basketball programs in the country. This was truly an "A list" job.

[HogsBalls]

Even if Self would have come who says he would of continued success. He wouldn't have gotten the recruits he has now that's for sure. I could go coach Kansas and be over .500 every year.

[waphill]

Even if Self would have come who says he would of continued success. He wouldn't have gotten the recruits he has now that's for sure. I could go coach Kansas and be over .500 every year.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/bill-self-1.html

He recruited to Tulsa.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Even if Self would have come who says he would of continued success. He wouldn't have gotten the recruits he has now that's for sure. I could go coach Kansas and be over .500 every year.

Did you see the recruits Heath was getting here? We would have been like 5 years removed from an NC. Self would have been able to recruit and coach here.

[The Boar War]

I remember when people used a similar argument with Mike Anderson.

[Adam Stokes]

If only coach had put me in during the 4th quarter...

[popcornhog]

     Bill Self of Kansas would have been our Basketball Coachafter Nolan Richardson was fired.  But the MEDDLOR JOHN WHITE THE THEN CHANCELLOR TOLD FRANK BROYLES YOU HAVE TO HIRE A BLACK COACH SINCE THE FIASCO WITH NOLAN RICHARDSON.

Sweet sKillZ BRO.

[tusksincolorado]

Congratulations.

Nicely done....thank you!

[tusksincolorado]

Haha. After several years on Hogville-I have learned that nearly every coach out there wanted the Arkansas job (Football and Basketball) and apparently we were just too dumb to hire them. 

They want the job.....just not the fans that go with the program.

[pignparadise]

Haha. After several years on Hogville-I have learned that nearly every coach out there wanted the Arkansas job (Football and Basketball) and apparently we were just too dumb to hire them. 

While it doesn't really matter, Bill Self wanted the Arkansas job. I had supper with him in Cushing OK in May of 1997. He explained that Arkansas was his dream job but that Nolan would probably be there forever.

[Danny J]

At that time Arkansas was one the premiere basketball programs in the country. This was truly an "A list" job.

If it was once(usually within last 20 years) it can be that way again. Once you show the ability to be able to get the fan support and financial support with a state that does produce some high D1 talent then that will attract coaches. We have 3 final fours in the last 25 years with a national title and runner-up trophy. It is all about timing when hiring coaches. The timing must be right.

[Coondog Hog]

And he probably would have went to Kansas when they called him at Bud Walton and we'd still be virtually where we are today

[rude1]

LMAO, yeah and let's just ignore the fact that even if Bill Self had come, he was leaving the moment KU came a calling.

[Atlhogfan1]

2000 - end of the regular season the Hogs had no chance at the NCAAT.  If not for the SECT run, would Frank have been allowed to have fired Nolan?

Self had just taken TU to the E8.  That would have been the better time to have hired Self.  Yes, he may have only coached the Hogs for 3 seasons but the program would not have had the turmoil and turnover it did and when he left for KU, it would have likely been in a much better hiring position than Heath and then Pelphrey.  The job was even somewhat attractive before Altman got the look behind the scenes. 

If Self had been hired for the 2002-3 season, maybe he would have left for KU after only one season.  Or maybe he would have felt that after just one season at Arkansas the timing wouldn't have been right to leave so soon. 

[pignparadise]

LMAO, yeah and let's just ignore the fact that even if Bill Self had come, he was leaving the moment KU came a calling.

I don't know that. Arkansas was a destination job at the time. Bill is from Okmulgee OK and played at OSU. If he had been successful at Arkansas I doubt he would have left for Kansas.

[rude1]

I don't know that. Arkansas was a destination job at the time. Bill is from Okmulgee OK and played at OSU. If he had been successful at Arkansas I doubt he would have left for Kansas.

Please stop kidding yourself, Arkansas is NOT and never will be a destination job over a program like KU. If KU came offering Self was excepting.

[Sivad]

Totally agree.
John White was essentially running the athletic dept in the last few years. Broyles was really handcuffed. We are still suffering.

A special place in Hog Hell reserved for John White.

[pignparadise]

Please stop kidding yourself, Arkansas is NOT and never will be a destination job over a program like KU. If KU came offering Self was excepting.

so if Kansas had come after Nolan, by your way of thinking he would have left. Not so fast

[Knot2brite]

The rumor I always heard was that Self was approached and blanched at the offer because of some reason and we went elsewhere....it may be BS but I don't know

[pignparadise]

Please stop kidding yourself, Arkansas is NOT and never will be a destination job over a program like KU. If KU came offering Self was excepting.

In the 20 years before I talked to Self in 1997, both Kansas (86,88,91,93) and Arkansas (77,90,94,95) had been to 4 Final Fours and both had one championship (88 and 94) with Arkansas being the most recent. Don't confuse what has happened since.

[The_Iceman]

Congratulations.

So true.

[tusksincolorado]

Please stop kidding yourself, Arkansas is NOT and never will be a destination job over a program like KU. If KU came offering Self was excepting.

Another "crawl to Kentucky situation"?

[HogMantheIntruder]

Please stop kidding yourself, Arkansas is NOT and never will be a destination job over a program like KU. If KU came offering Self was excepting.

Arkansas was still one of the best basketball programs in the country at that time.  This wasn't a destination job?  We were a few years removed from a national title and back to back trips to the championship game.  I don't think it's a given, or even likely, that a coach who was having the type of success we had become accustomed to, would be ACCEPTING another offer from any school.

[rude1]

so if Kansas had come after Nolan, by your way of thinking he would have left. Not so fast

Nolan isn't Bill Self, Nolan had his dream job, Self was an up and comer looking to end up at the best program he could. I have no doubts he would leave Arkansas to go to KU as he did Illinois.

[HognitiveDissonance]

The rumor I always heard was that Self was approached and blanched at the offer because of some reason and we went elsewhere....it may be BS but I don't know

White was insisting that coaches come to campus and interview for the job.
Uh...higher profile coaches just don't do that, John.
Only guys with nothing to lose at their current employer(Heath: Kent St) can afford to do that and not lose face with their current team. Nobody of Bill Self's stature is ever going to do that. He already had a good job at Illinois. The AD has to work the back channels.
All indications were that Self was interested in the job, and was from the area. I personally feel we would have got him.
Tommy Boyer basically laid all this out years later. He didn't throw White under the bus but it wasn't hard to figure out what happened.

[HogFoo]

Self was coming.  JW screwed it up like he did lots of things with golden handcuffs. What a complete moron! 


And had Self came at the time I doubt he'd of left. Hogs were a destination job. And were the winningest team in college basketball at one point in the 90s.   It would have worked out well.  But. That's just not how it was meant to be.  It couldn't happen after nolan got fired.  I wish nolan could have just taken a break and then returned. After a season or two. He was burnt out. He didn't want to recruit anymore. When he finally did realize he needed to recruit it was too late.  That last class of nolan would have been pretty dang good.  Especially the kid that went to Arizona.  Him with sullinger. And then sullinger s younger brother who went to Ohio st. Wed of had th3m and would have gotten Greg Oden and Mike Conley jr. Wed of gotten all those guys that Mike Anderson had at UAB and at mizzery.   All th3 former players kids.  Anyways. That's a big can of worms of what ifs.

If we play what ifs. Imagine had we got Othello Harrington.   Or penny Hardaway like we all thought we were gonna get.  Imagine had Oliver miller not ate 50 lbs of food before every game.  Imagine had nolan not got mad at Ron mercer wanting to wait on his commitment and took Derek hood which made Ron mercer mad so he went with Kentucky.   Imagine had all the guys nolan signed for that 95 class that were supposed to be at the time the greatest college class of all time. Imagine if they had all qualified.   

Go further into it..  imagine passed the nolan years to heath.  What if osu famatimi had not tore his knee up before the McDonald's all American game.  Dudley used to talk about being at the game where Olu put up 37 points on LeBron James  guarding h8m and he was the best on the floor. Until he tore his knee. He never was the same.  Imagine had AL Jefferson came to Arkansas.   We had the #1 recruiting class counting him.  Stan heath would still be the coach here and we'd all be bored to death with big10 ball. 

Imagine had Patrick Beverly come back to school the summer he left in John pelfrey era. That team would have been pretty damn good too.  Pelfrey would probably still be th3 coach.

We can go back to a lot of what ifs over the years. They all suck.  I mean what if corliss and Scott stayed one more year or if k.reid was eligible his first year.  We'd probably beat ucla for back to back NCs and then played for our 3rd in a row. 

But now it's the present.   Hopefully we've had so much negative in the past that it's about to turn positive.   Ole miss was a good team.  Tenner was average.  Clemson bad. Iowa st. Pretty good.    We have a decent team. I th8nk the hogs will still make the tournament.   I don't th8nk that too many teams will shoot like ole miss did the rest of the year  with exception to UK.  They may beat us by 40+  especially if they play zone defense.     other than that we should be able to compete with everyone else. Hopefully we will.  I'm hoping mike gets this thing fixed. I want him to win. I do not want to hire another coach because that will only set us back another 3or4yrs. Mike can do it. ..... hopefully. .

[Hog1952]

While it doesn't really matter, Bill Self wanted the Arkansas job. I had supper with him in Cushing OK in May of 1997. He explained that Arkansas was his dream job but that Nolan would probably be there forever.

Please take him out to eat and buy him a two lb ribeye and a jar of moonshine! 

[WarPig88]

Self was never coming despite all the rumor mongering about it.

Broyles and White believed that they could win here with an "up and comer" type coach. Nearly every coach that they interviewed was an up and comer.

Any run made at Self was for show only. The committee at the time was impressed with the likes of Porter Moser from UALR.

It was a bonus that Heath was black, but he was also the hottest name amongst the up and comers in the collegiate game at the time.

What they did in committing to hire an up and comer was the equivalent of giving a 14 year old kid with a drivers permit a new lambo.

Total negligence on the part of Broyles and White.

[beachhog]

We almost had Billy G!