The Question Nobody Is Asking

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

How did Nutt's attorney know that number was associated with an escort service?  Is it possible that Ole Miss had been using the same service prior to Freeze?

[TomasPistola]

They called it and found out? Seems pretty easy.

[ricepig]

After Danny went to prison and Platinum was shut down, they had to get the girls from somebody........

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

They called it and found out? Seems pretty easy.

Not a chance.  Too many numbers called from that phone.  Also, Attorneys don't just randomly call numbers in phone records.  Nor, do escort services answer as such.  My guess is that the university has been using the same service for a while and Nutt told his attorney what to look for.

[AirWarren]

Not a chance.  Too many numbers called from that phone.  Also, Attorneys don't just randomly call numbers in phone records.  Nor, do escort services answer as such.  My guess is that the university has been using the same service for a while and Nutt told his attorney what to look for.

Bingo.

[kodiakisland]

Will really be interesting if we find out who the service was for.  Recruits/players, coaches, who?  This could really burn the place down.  Somebody will name names.

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

Will really be interesting if we find out who the service was for.  Recruits/players, coaches, who?  This could really burn the place down.  Somebody will name names.

All of the above?  Why should the kids be the only ones having fun?

[hoggusamoungus]

Looks like he's been at it for several years.


Bjork separately told ESPN that once university officials dove deeper into Freeze's phone records on a university-provided cell phone, going back as far as shortly after he was hired in 2012, they started finding more of a pattern with phone calls of the nature USA Today earlier reported after an open-records request.

[TebowHater]

Not a chance.  Too many numbers called from that phone.  Also, Attorneys don't just randomly call numbers in phone records.  Nor, do escort services answer as such.  My guess is that the university has been using the same service for a while and Nutt told his attorney what to look for.

No, Houston's lawyer only had 6 days of Freeze's records. That is easy to go through by hand, however, it is also very easy to totally automate the process (which is how Ole Miss was able to find a pattern in 39,000 calls so quickly).

If HDN knew, he would have told his lawyer to look there immediately and it would have likely appeared in the lawsuit as it strengthens the character case against Freeze

[grayhawg]

Looks like he's been at it for several years.


Bjork separately told ESPN that once university officials dove deeper into Freeze's phone records on a university-provided cell phone, going back as far as shortly after he was hired in 2012, they started finding more of a pattern with phone calls of the nature USA Today earlier reported after an open-records request.

I can see where that would make a guy a great recruiter.

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

No, Houston's lawyer only had 6 days of Freeze's records. That is easy to go through by hand, however, it is also very easy to totally automate the process (which is how Ole Miss was able to find a pattern in 39,000 calls so quickly).

If HDN knew, he would have told his lawyer to look there immediately and it would have likely appeared in the lawsuit as it strengthens the character case against Freeze

Not true, until the lawsuit was filed, Nutt's attorney would not have had subpoena power or the ability to conduct discovery.  As such he would not have known what was on Freeze's phone until after the lawsuit was filed.

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

Also it damages HDN's character as much as Freezes to admit in the Complaint that he knew about phone calls to hookers.  Nutt knew before hand, but used the process.

[tophawg19]

Money And Girls - Great recruits . Nutt found what the NCAA couldn't lol. We finally got some value out of that buyout money for Nutt .

[TebowHater]

Not true, until the lawsuit was filed, Nutt's attorney would not have had subpoena power or the ability to conduct discovery.  As such he would not have known what was on Freeze's phone until after the lawsuit was filed.

Lol you are so wrong. Have you even looked at the lawsuit my man? The whole crux of the lawsuit is the fact HDN's lawyer got Hugh's phone records via FOIA, which showed he planted stories to the press.

The lawsuit hasn't even started, no subpoena's have been issued.

His lawyer went back through the original records and found the phone call, also within the 6 day period of records he had obtained, and then informed Ole Miss he had it.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/885200532956213249

[RME]

Lol you are so wrong. Have you read the lawsuit my man? The whole crux of the lawsuit is the fact HDN's lawyer got Hugh's phone records via FOIA, which showed he planted stories to the press.

That seems to be the case.

"Nutt's attorney, Thomas Mars, sent an e-mail to Lee Tyner, the school's general counsel, referencing a 'phone call Coach Freeze made that would be highly embarrassing for all of you and extremely difficult to explain,'" Wolken wrote.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Not a chance.  Too many numbers called from that phone.  Also, Attorneys don't just randomly call numbers in phone records.  Nor, do escort services answer as such.  My guess is that the university has been using the same service for a while and Nutt told his attorney what to look for.

The Friday firm probably just outsourced it to a company that provides discovery services (read as baby lawyers working for cut rate) and they went through those records with a fine toothed comb checking all of them.

It's not that big a deal for a firm with a war chest like that trust me. I have seen it myself.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Bingo.

No, he doesn't know what he's talking about. You don't know what he's talking about either apparently

[TebowHater]

No, he doesn't know what he's talking about. You don't know what he's talking about either apparently

Correct. Been saying the same thing! People don't even read the most basic aspects of stories before jumping to the conclusion they desire.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Not true, until the lawsuit was filed, Nutt's attorney would not have had subpoena power or the ability to conduct discovery.  As such he would not have known what was on Freeze's phone until after the lawsuit was filed.

Wrong again, those records were obtained under the Miss. Freedom of Inormation Act.

Why do people act like they know things?

FYI, they have not even begun the formal discovery phase under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure yet.

[TebowHater]

Wrong again, those records were obtained under the Miss. Freedom of Inormation act.

Why do people act like they know things?

Yep. Said the exact same thing above. Astonishing.

[GuvHog]

Wrong again, those records were obtained under the Miss. Freedom of Inormation Act.

Why do people act like they know things?

FYI, they have not even begun the formal discovery phase under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure yet.

The question is, WHEN were they obtained??

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Yep. Said the exact same thing above. Astonishing.

I updated that one. You don't file a complaint and get to immediately start receiving discovery.

[PossumFan]

Seems to me a head coach would not be making these calls to arrange call girls for recruits. They'd delegate that to a flunky in hopes of retaining some semblance of plausible deniability if they were ever discovered. No, I think these hookups were for the guy making the call. 

[Jean-Luc_Pigard]

You guys are absolutely correct, I did not read any of the lawsuit details.  I didn't care.  That being said, having spent the last ten years as an attorney, I like to think that I have some idea how the process works.  Unless somebody inside the lawsuit knew what that number was, nobody would have noticed.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Obviously, burner phones aren't available in Mississippi.

[The Hawg Marshal]

I'm not an attorney at all ,but I would imagine that Nutt's attorneys or someone on their payroll checked out all the phone numbers in Freeze's records. So I don't believe Nutt took a look at it and said" hey boys that's an escort service number.jmo

[lechon]

I'm not an attorney at all ,but I would imagine that Nutt's attorneys or someone on their payroll checked out all the phone numbers in Freeze's records. So I don't believe Nutt took a look at it and said" hey boys that's an escort service number.jmo

Donna Bragg would like to speak with you sir. 

[NuttinItUp]

[KlubhouseKonnected]

You guys are absolutely correct, I did not read any of the lawsuit details.  I didn't care.  That being said, having spent the last ten years as an attorney, I like to think that I have some idea how the process works.  Unless somebody inside the lawsuit knew what that number was, nobody would have noticed.

I don't work in one of the "big" firms but I clerked at some. That is where I became familiar with discovery contractors. You sue a company like Walmart for race based employment discrimination, they load you down with a hundred thousand emails in response to your discovery requests, you hand it over to these contractors that pay young lawyers 40-50 bucks an hour to comb through it. It works. I even had a girlfriend that right after we passed the bar, and later had another buddy that also did this, that went to Dallas and worked those jobs for weeks at a time.

Like I said, if there is potentially millions of doll hairs to be had and your firm has money to burn, it's no problem at all really.

This isn't two attorney's sharing office space and a secretary while doing custody hearings that we are talking about.

[moses_007]

Cause CBP had something much better right under his thumb in Fayetteville.

[Snortingred1]

It's possible that there was some kind of establishment the number was attached to in the FOI documents.  The establishment may have been named something suspicious and worth a 20 minute research session to connect the dots.

[Buff]

Obviously, burner phones aren't available in Mississippi.

No joke.  I have burner apps on my phone with 3 different random numbers routed through VOIP lines - all gone at the touch of a button.  You don't even have to buy a separate phone anymore, although it would be even more secure.

[lefty08]

No joke.  I have burner apps on my phone with 3 different random numbers routed through VOIP lines - all gone at the touch of a button.  You don't even have to buy a separate phone anymore, although it would be even more secure.

Say it with pride, young fella!

[HamSammich]

The old lawyer made one of the young new lawyers reverse search each number on google. Google is this new thing that allows you to search stuff.

[rhames]

You guys are absolutely correct, I did not read any of the lawsuit details.  I didn't care.  That being said, having spent the last ten years as an attorney, I like to think that I have some idea how the process works.  Unless somebody inside the lawsuit knew what that number was, nobody would have noticed.

Well you didn't know how FOI works


Once they got the phone records for the week they requested they started checking out the numbers.

[younghog]

Not a chance.  Too many numbers called from that phone.  Also, Attorneys don't just randomly call numbers in phone records.  Nor, do escort services answer as such.  My guess is that the university has been using the same service for a while and Nutt told his attorney what to look for.

not how it works.. I work for a Forensics investigation Firm..

You simply gather all devices, email, text, docs, meta data, file paths and push to a database..

Tools allow searchable terms and come up with match terms, odd phone numbers i.e. one times and so on during the periods are pushed to odd reference table.

you might fine that odd ref table has 15 #, secretary googles or does phone lookup search to another database and its matched in 10secs.

This was as easy as anything they did.. Thus when Bjork said we then did our checkups, they sent the foi data to someone and saw more hits..

Again Big ups to NUTT as he came in swinging..

GO HOGS

[tampahog]

If it turns out this is being done as a means of enticing recruits, what are the potential penalties? Is this death penalty level stuff ?

[Vantage 8 dude]

Well other than admitting to the number to the escort service nothing else concerning any other phone calls/contacts has been released. However, what I find very interesting and would love to find out are the other calls/messages/contacts that showed up on the device. Obviously SOMETHING else was there for OM to drop this clown like a hot potato, especially after the escort call was basically described as a "misdial".

[Cementhog]

The Real, Real question is Who and How were these, Cough, Cough, Ladies or Gentlemen paid?

[theFlyingHog]

The Real, Real question is Who and How were these, Cough, Cough, Ladies or Gentlemen paid?

Well other than admitting to the number to the escort service nothing else concerning any other phone calls/contacts has been released. However, what I find very interesting and would love to find out are the other calls/messages/contacts that showed up on the device. Obviously SOMETHING else was there for OM to drop this clown like a hot potato, especially after the escort call was basically described as a "misdial".

If it turns out this is being done as a means of enticing recruits, what are the potential penalties? Is this death penalty level stuff ?

NOW we're getting into some good questions!

[ricepig]

NOW we're getting into some good questions!

This guy says Hugh just called the escorts for himself, while out of town. Now, how he knows anything is beyond me.......

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-calls-escort-services-110-percent-hugh-freezes-personal-use/

[hawganatic]

Seems to me a head coach would not be making these calls to arrange call girls for recruits. They'd delegate that to a flunky in hopes of retaining some semblance of plausible deniability if they were ever discovered. No, I think these hookups were for the guy making the call.

A head coach WOULDN'T make these calls.  This would be offloaded to a booster, who would then offload it to somebody not connected with the University.

If Freeze was calling an escort service, it was more than likely for his own 'recruitment."

[rhames]

It's amazing to me how many people don't grasp what happened here lol


The number was only on the foi timeframe once. For a minute. It was brought up to ole miss who then started looking at all of freeze's call records and found a pattern of contacting hookers.


The hookers for for freeze. That's why they kept saying during the press conference it had nothing to do with NCAA violations.

Don't try to think too hard when it's that simple.

[Next1_04]

A head coach WOULDN'T make these calls.  This would be offloaded to a booster, who would then offload it to somebody not connected with the University.

If Freeze was calling an escort service, it was more than likely for his own 'recruitment."

ESPN Radio Nashville confirmed it was 110% for Freeze personal use for trips outside of Oxford.

[Inhogswetrust]

After Danny went to prison and Platinum was shut down, they had to get the girls from somebody........

Haha! Anyone familiar with Memphis knows exactly what you're talking about.

[Inhogswetrust]

This guy says Hugh just called the escorts for himself, while out of town. Now, how he knows anything is beyond me.......

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-calls-escort-services-110-percent-hugh-freezes-personal-use/

I'd bet Freeze was not the only one to know about those. Maybe that's why some of the boosters seem to be scared.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Haha! Anyone familiar with Memphis knows exactly what you're talking about.

They've purchased clubs in Arkansas since.

[ricepig]

They've purchased clubs in Arkansas since.

Arkansas has clubs??

[hawganatic]

This guy says Hugh just called the escorts for himself, while out of town. Now, how he knows anything is beyond me.......

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-calls-escort-services-110-percent-hugh-freezes-personal-use/

I think you can look at when and where the calls were placed, and figure out who they were for.  If the calls synched up with major recruiting weekends, or when some of their higher rated recruits were in Oxford, then you can assume they were for recruits.

These calls appear to be placed while Freeze was out of town without his wife.  Common sense can lead you to who they were for.  It's also common sense that no coach handles player "benfits" himself.

Before you guys go running off into the night screaming with glee that Freeze got busted, please remember that he has a wife and kids, and a family is probably going to be torn apart over this also.  Don't give two fracks about Freeze himself, but I feel really bad for his wife right now, as well as his kids.

[riccoar]

This guy says Hugh just called the escorts for himself, while out of town. Now, how he knows anything is beyond me.......

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-calls-escort-services-110-percent-hugh-freezes-personal-use/

Think about that.  Hugh calls for himself, no big deal.  That's a coach/university thing.  Coach calling escorts for recruits/players?  Care to guess who that brings into the picture?